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(BBC)   Greenpeace runs afoul of Russia, optimistically asks for their ship and 30 crewmembers back   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 82
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2013-09-20 04:56:00 PM

Lachwen: Four of the Greenpeace activists had tried to board a Gazprom oil rig on Wednesday, to protest against drilling.

"They have done nothing to warrant this level of aggression and have been entirely peaceful throughout," he said.

Isn't trying to board a ship without permission a violation of maritime law?I suppose you could argue that an oil rig is not a ship, but I don't see that argument holding much water.


They got lucky they Russia didn't just stick at the bottom of the sea to see how much water they could hold up.

I think the least they could be guilty of is stowing away. And that's the least. Russia could trump up some terrorism charges on them. Either way, they'll get to make this stuff from here on:

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2013-09-20 05:09:05 PM

MyToeHurts: styckx: How many "bad things" has Greenpeace actually stopped outright? I'm not talking about someone saying "ok you win" and then come back the next day after Greenpeace left and do it anway either.. They seem to be nothing but a attention whore organization that doesn't actually accomplish anything

^^THAT^^
Who the heck is funding an organization, that for the most part, has really done a whole heck of a lot of good with these type of protest? Yes, they have raised awareness on many enviromental issues that have made a difference. But these stunts are pure AW, and dangerous. As another said, you made your bed, now sleep in it.


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2013-09-20 05:17:20 PM
TFA:  Greenpeace published photos that it said showed Russian security personnel in balaclavas confronting the activists with guns and knives after abseiling from helicopters onto the Dutch-flagged Arctic Sunrise.

Oh come on, England, speak English, not German. Just say "rappel," fer chrissake!
 
2013-09-20 05:24:51 PM
Greenpeace needs to stop playing with their dinghy.
 
2013-09-20 05:29:21 PM

lokis_mentor: MyToeHurts: styckx: How many "bad things" has Greenpeace actually stopped outright? I'm not talking about someone saying "ok you win" and then come back the next day after Greenpeace left and do it anway either.. They seem to be nothing but a attention whore organization that doesn't actually accomplish anything

^^THAT^^
Who the heck is funding an organization, that for the most part, has really done a whole heck of a lot of good with these type of protest? Yes, they have raised awareness on many enviromental issues that have made a difference. But these stunts are pure AW, and dangerous. As another said, you made your bed, now sleep in it.


Opps, hasn't really done
 
2013-09-20 05:32:31 PM
Every stinking time I think I have completely written off Putin as a vicious, authoritarian thug, he goes and does something that makes me want to cheer loudly. The only thing that could make this better is if he turns their ship into a whaler with state of the art harpoon guns, and sells it to Japan, just to rub their faces in it.
 
2013-09-20 05:40:58 PM
Putin has probably already killed half of them, with his bare hands.
 
2013-09-20 05:42:11 PM

talkertopc: kbronsito: Isn't their ship called the Rainbow Warrior? I can see why Russia would have a problem with that. (Not that there's anything wrong with it).

They have more than one less ship.



Now.
 
2013-09-20 06:24:04 PM
styckx: How many "bad things" has Greenpeace actually stopped outright? I'm not talking about someone saying "ok you win" and then come back the next day after Greenpeace left and do it anway either.. They seem to be nothing but a attention whore organization that doesn't actually accomplish anything

All they do is draw attention to things. In this case they drew attention to a big Russian drilling platform apparently operating within Russian waters.  They intended to get arrested so they would make international news.

On one hand, we all know about the rig now, so that's mission success for Greenpeace.

On the other...so what if the Russians have a big drilling rig?  Looks nice, actually.  And after the Exxon Valdez and Deepwater Horizon, who are we to tell anyone else how to protect the environment?

Additionally, Greenpeace chose a bad time to do this.  Putin is fresh off a major PR victory taking the moral high ground after Obama's half-hearted move to strike Syrian chemical weapons sites was exposed and then didn't happen.  Here, he has the high ground again and will no doubt use it to the best possible effect to paint Obama as a naive fool.
 
2013-09-20 06:38:35 PM
I was told there would be no consequences in violating the sovereignty of foreign nations and trespassing on private property.
 
2013-09-20 06:41:27 PM
TommyDeuce
2013-09-20 03:50:54 PM


Boojum2k: Russia responds by giving them ocean coordinates. . . and a depth.

Man, Putin would have to pose with two cute puppies to cancel out the bad press from killing Greenpeace activists.

Bad press? He'd be a farking hero.

Dear Putin,

Chain them to the rails and sink the ship

Sincerely

The rest of the world.
 
2013-09-20 06:55:29 PM
spawn73:Shipwrecks actually make awesome artificial reefs (you normally remove the oil and such, but whatever).

A couple of mechanics can in a short time turn the ship into a pyre which will take care of most of the oil within the craft. The navy can then sink it.
 
2013-09-20 06:58:39 PM
I see nothing wrong with tapping arctic resources.
 
2013-09-20 09:54:29 PM
So 30 Greenpeace members were taken into custody.  23 Greenpeace members will stand trial for assorted crimes.  15 Greenpeace members will be sentenced to lengthy prison terms.  5 Greenpeace members will be paroled and returned to Greenpeace as a show of mercy.  Putin: "Where are the others? What others?  Those are the only ones we have and now you have them. If any have been lost, it isn't our fault."
 
2013-09-20 09:55:12 PM
I'm with Russia on this. Greenpeace can fark off. Russia should start taking the ship apart and using the pieces, then send the asshole crew out on little life boats. Then they could tell someone where to find them, if they wanted to be nice.
 
2013-09-20 11:41:35 PM

7FARK7: I'm with Russia on this. Greenpeace can fark off. Russia should start taking the ship apart and using the pieces, then send the asshole crew out on little life boats. Then they could tell someone where to find them, if they wanted to be nice.



Anchor them at the North Pole and let the ice take care of them.

I say.
 
2013-09-21 12:38:32 AM

talkertopc: kbronsito: Isn't their ship called the Rainbow Warrior? I can see why Russia would have a problem with that. (Not that there's anything wrong with it).

They have more than one ship.


So does Russia, the Russian ships have guns. BIG guns, and all the excuse they require to use them. After the last Somalia pirate failure you are a total idiot to think that they won't sink your ship and leave you dead in a life boat for screwing with their ships. Good for Russia.
 
2013-09-21 12:43:20 AM

TommyDeuce: Boojum2k: Russia responds by giving them ocean coordinates. . . and a depth.

Man, Putin would have to pose with two cute puppies to cancel out the bad press from killing Greenpeace activists.


He could have them stuffed and mounted, then pose with a foot on their chest and a rifle propped on his hip and it would cancel out any bad press.
 
2013-09-21 12:58:44 AM
I was lucky enough to work and live in Far East Russia for over 4 years. Met and got to know quite a few Russian Military types. The average Russian knows their government is corrupt and hates it as much as any American does ours. But don't ever doubt their devotion to their country or the lengths they would go to to protect it. The biggest difference is that they don't have a Commander in Chief who hates and fears them. Putin has bodyguards just like Obama, but he isn't afraid to stand up in front of them unless they have been disarmed.
 
2013-09-21 01:19:56 AM
The Russians really showed restraint.

I'd of made them hemp dance off of a yardarm.

/it would be new hemp
//nice and itchy
///for about 15 seconds
 
2013-09-21 01:45:29 AM

talkertopc: kbronsito: Isn't their ship called the Rainbow Warrior? I can see why Russia would have a problem with that. (Not that there's anything wrong with it).

They have more than one ship.


Not for long... muahahaha
 
2013-09-21 06:43:06 AM

styckx: How many "bad things" has Greenpeace actually stopped outright? I'm not talking about someone saying "ok you win" and then come back the next day after Greenpeace left and do it anway either.. They seem to be nothing but a attention whore organization that doesn't actually accomplish anything


You only hear about the big actions - you rarely hear about the grass roots protests that stop such things as clearfell logging in wilderness areas or stop the making of a dam that will flood vast areas of wilderness or the digging of a mine in some worthy of protecting place.  They (and other environmental warrior groups) also force limits on the damage that occurs in places where such short sighted activities go on.  Pretty much all your bad thoughts on Greenpeace is a product of years and years of concerted effort, millions and millions of dollars, to damage their image and paint them as not worth listening too - and it would seem that those vested interests have done a pretty good job of molding the 'minds' of many :p
 
2013-09-21 06:56:03 AM
I would even suggest that many of their more stupid acts were organised (lead) by agent provocateurs who have surely been placed within the organisation for years.  Placed not only by governments, but special interests groups (backed by vested interests). Nothing better than making your biggest obstacle look stupid and naive.

http://www.opendemocracy.net/opensecurity/merrick-badger/on-trail-of -b ritains-undercover-police

http://www.earthisland.org/journal/index.php/elist/eListRead/underco ve r_agents_infiltrated_tar_sands_resistance_camp_to_break_up_planned/

To be in the know in such groups you need to at least get to the planning committee level - and hence partake in the planning.  We can only guess at how many Presidents or VPs of such groups are in truth traitorous bastards with other agendas.
 
2013-09-21 08:30:36 AM
The problem isn't that they are environmental protestors being a nusiance, it's that they are Americans.
 
2013-09-21 09:16:34 AM

WireFire2: The problem isn't that they are environmental protestors being a nusiance, it's that they are Americans.


A Greenpeace boat in such places has pretty much a Cosmepolitan crew - I personally doubt even a quarter of them are Americans.
 
2013-09-21 12:15:25 PM
I am feeling a tad paranoid that no one has responded to my comments - how many of you are being paid to either look into or look the other way?   ;-)
 
2013-09-21 12:46:27 PM
There are times when the Russians just make you grin from ear to ear. And this is one of them.

Back in the 1980s, Lebanese terrorist Muslims kidnapped some American's and held them hostage for a long time. The US did nothing and it was a great hoot and victory for the terrorists.

But then they made a mistake.

They decided to kidnap some Russians. Within 48 hours, a plane from Moscow landed in Beirut. A team of very hard men got off the plane. They made no direct effort to rescue the captive Russians held deeply within the terrorist enclave.

Instead they "counter kidnapped" the "spiritual leader" of that group of terrorists, and promptly sent the terrorists a package containing a few of his less important body parts, with the instruction that unless the Russian hostages were released immediately, they would receive more parts.

Not only did the terrorists release the Russians, but they drove them to the Russian embassy, begging them to tell their fellow Russians to stop chopping. For their part, the Russians promptly turned their spiritual leader loose, with some well dressed bandages, and the strong suggestion that in future they should not mess with Russians.

This was not an intelligence operation, it was a work of art, Russian style. You have to appreciate that.
 
2013-09-21 01:35:31 PM
ginkor

[Russian counter-terrorism story that changes every time it's told]

That's one of my favorite fairy tales.
 
2013-09-21 01:42:29 PM

Langdon_777: I am feeling a tad paranoid that no one has responded to my comments - how many of you are being paid to either look into or look the other way?   ;-)


No, it is because you are you.

I don't have anyone on ignore, so I see your comments.

What did you say that has just about everyone else blocking you?
 
2013-09-21 09:56:00 PM
I am so happy to see the anti-Greenpeace posts.  While I do not wish the crew members any harm, I have no problem at all if Russia uses their garbage scow for target practice and turn it into a reef.
 
2013-09-21 10:36:27 PM

Slam1263: Langdon_777: I am feeling a tad paranoid that no one has responded to my comments - how many of you are being paid to either look into or look the other way?   ;-)

No, it is because you are you.

I don't have anyone on ignore, so I see your comments.

What did you say that has just about everyone else blocking you?


Everyone else is also not commenting on 70 people before him, so obviously nobody is listening to those 70 people.
 
2013-09-22 01:20:50 AM

Slam1263: Langdon_777: I am feeling a tad paranoid that no one has responded to my comments - how many of you are being paid to either look into or look the other way?   ;-)

No, it is because you are you.

I don't have anyone on ignore, so I see your comments.

What did you say that has just about everyone else blocking you?


I'm not blocking him.  I just see someone who is either a) trolling, or b) a conspiracy theorist.  Either way, not worth responding to.
 
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