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(Guardian)   Classified documents reveal that the US almost detonated a nuclear bomb over North Carolina in the 1960's, thinking a healthy dose of radiation might be beneficial to the gene pool there   (theguardian.com) divider line 81
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2013-09-20 03:15:12 PM  
 
2013-09-20 03:36:09 PM  
"Let there be light...  "
 
2013-09-20 03:41:52 PM  
TLDR: a plane carrying nuclear devices broke apart mid-flight. The safety mechanisms on the bombs worked and no one died
 
2013-09-20 03:57:13 PM  

cman: TLDR: a plane carrying nuclear devices broke apart mid-flight. The safety mechanisms on the bombs worked and no one died


You know they'd blame the Soviets and go to war simply to cover that up if the bomb had gone off.
 
2013-09-20 03:58:11 PM  

Nadie_AZ: cman: TLDR: a plane carrying nuclear devices broke apart mid-flight. The safety mechanisms on the bombs worked and no one died

You know they'd blame the Soviets and go to war simply to cover that up if the bomb had gone off.


Kennedy wouldn't have done that
 
2013-09-20 04:00:08 PM  

cman: TLDR: a plane carrying nuclear devices broke apart mid-flight. The Three of four safety mechanisms on the bombs failed; an actual firing signal was sent to the warhead and was only blocked by one last low-voltage switch  and no one died.


FTFY. And for the record, 4 megatons is a really goddamned big boom, an order of magnitude larger than the warheads on modern MIRV ballistic missiles.
 
2013-09-20 04:03:54 PM  

vossiewulf: cman: TLDR: a plane carrying nuclear devices broke apart mid-flight. The Three of four safety mechanisms on the bombs failed; an actual firing signal was sent to the warhead and was only blocked by one last low-voltage switch  and no one died.

FTFY. And for the record, 4 megatons is a really goddamned big boom, an order of magnitude larger than the warheads on modern MIRV ballistic missiles.


Its still a sensationalized article designed to get clicks with "OMG WE ALMOST DIED OMG".
 
2013-09-20 04:05:26 PM  

cman: Nadie_AZ: cman: TLDR: a plane carrying nuclear devices broke apart mid-flight. The safety mechanisms on the bombs worked and no one died

You know they'd blame the Soviets and go to war simply to cover that up if the bomb had gone off.

Kennedy wouldn't have done that


Ah. Sorry. Cubans. ;)
 
2013-09-20 04:07:18 PM  

Nadie_AZ: cman: Nadie_AZ: cman: TLDR: a plane carrying nuclear devices broke apart mid-flight. The safety mechanisms on the bombs worked and no one died

You know they'd blame the Soviets and go to war simply to cover that up if the bomb had gone off.

Kennedy wouldn't have done that

Ah. Sorry. Cubans. ;)


That I actually could see.

I aint a big believer in conspiracy theories, but damn, many people in his administration had such a hard on for Cuba
 
2013-09-20 04:19:59 PM  

Nadie_AZ: cman: Nadie_AZ: cman: TLDR: a plane carrying nuclear devices broke apart mid-flight. The safety mechanisms on the bombs worked and no one died

You know they'd blame the Soviets and go to war simply to cover that up if the bomb had gone off.

Kennedy wouldn't have done that

Ah. Sorry. Cubans. ;)


The fact that he said "No" to Operation Northwoods tells me that maybe he wouldn't.

vossiewulf: cman: TLDR: a plane carrying nuclear devices broke apart mid-flight. The Three of four safety mechanisms on the bombs failed; an actual firing signal was sent to the warhead and was only blocked by one last low-voltage switch  and no one died.

FTFY. And for the record, 4 megatons is a really goddamned big boom, an order of magnitude larger than the warheads on modern MIRV ballistic missiles.


And who, specially, died?
 
2013-09-20 04:20:36 PM  
brooklynimbecile.files.wordpress.com

RIP Slim
 
2013-09-20 04:21:59 PM  
Subby doesn't know what he's talking about.

You could drop a nuclear bomb from 80,000 feet and smack it into the world trade center memorial. Unless the PAL is armed, that bomb is just going to go -plonk-.

A nuclear bomb will only detonate if the permissive action link is armed, and the detonation parameters are met. So no, they didn't almost complete General Sherman's work.
 
2013-09-20 04:23:07 PM  

vossiewulf: FTFY. And for the record, 4 megatons is a really goddamned big boom, an order of magnitude larger than the warheads on modern MIRV ballistic missiles.


For the record, modern MIRVs would do more damage with less yield than that 4 megaton bomb would have.
 
2013-09-20 04:23:14 PM  
Sounds like another "Let's throw away all these bombs and trust that nobody will ever build any in the future" screeds.

Wake me when somebody accidentally a nuke.  Anywhere in the world.
 
2013-09-20 04:24:03 PM  
Are we sure something didn't leak?  It would go a long way towards explaining some of the mutants that live there.
 
2013-09-20 04:24:22 PM  

hardinparamedic: vossiewulf: FTFY. And for the record, 4 megatons is a really goddamned big boom, an order of magnitude larger than the warheads on modern MIRV ballistic missiles.

For the record, modern MIRVs subby's mom would do more damage with less yield than that 4 megaton bomb would have.


/I'm so ashamed, I couldn't resist
 
2013-09-20 04:26:42 PM  
Carolina BBQ thread?
 
2013-09-20 04:26:52 PM  
Didn't we just talk about this yesterday ?
 
2013-09-20 04:28:07 PM  

hardinparamedic: Subby doesn't know what he's talking about.

You could drop a nuclear bomb from 80,000 feet and smack it into the world trade center memorial. Unless the PAL is armed, that bomb is just going to go -plonk-.

A nuclear bomb will only detonate if the permissive action link is armed, and the detonation parameters are met. So no, they didn't almost complete General Sherman's work.


Initiate, not detonate.
 
2013-09-20 04:29:35 PM  
They blew up an a-bomb over the Province of Quebec in 1950 but it was not armed with the nuclear part of the bomb--just the conventional explosives. Nonetheless it was heard in five different villages. Another (mocked up) bomb was exploded over British Columbia in the same year.

This has happened a number of times--something goes wrong and they have to ditch. A number of bombs with the nuclear charge in them have been ditched as well. The Brits dropped one on Spain, IIRC, and the American and Russian forces have lost them at sea.

There may be other incidents that we haven't heard about yet. A lot of UFO incidents seem to involve the military coming and taking something big away, so these may be classified accidents.

To the best of my knowledge, no one has accidentally exploded a nuclear a-bomb or h-bomb over their own territory or other countries that was fully equipped and ready to go. That would be detectable world-wide as the radiation would drift around the world several times before falling to background levels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_nuclear_accidents
 
2013-09-20 04:30:15 PM  

elchupacabra: Wake me when somebody accidentally a nuke.


The whole thing?
 
2013-09-20 04:31:07 PM  
At first I thought this was in reference to that guy from Oregon that wants to dilute radioactive waste and drop it from airplanes to improve everyone's health.
 
2013-09-20 04:31:09 PM  

hardinparamedic: Subby doesn't know what he's talking about.

You could drop a nuclear bomb from 80,000 feet and smack it into the world trade center memorial. Unless the PAL is armed, that bomb is just going to go -plonk-.

A nuclear bomb will only detonate if the permissive action link is armed, and the detonation parameters are met. So no, they didn't almost complete General Sherman's work.


FTA: "Jones found that of the four safety mechanisms in the Faro bomb, designed to prevent unintended detonation, three failed to operate properly. When the bomb hit the ground, a firing signal was sent to the nuclear core of the device, and it was only that final, highly vulnerable switch that averted calamity."

Kind of sounds like we almost did.
 
2013-09-20 04:32:10 PM  
MaudlinMutantMollusk:

"Let there be light... "

i40.tinypic.com

"Hello, Bomb?"
 
2013-09-20 04:32:12 PM  

brantgoose: To the best of my knowledge, no one has accidentally exploded a nuclear a-bomb or h-bomb


What about conventional a/h-bombs?

/no love for b/c/d/e/f/g-bombs?
 
2013-09-20 04:33:59 PM  

cman: Nadie_AZ: cman: TLDR: a plane carrying nuclear devices broke apart mid-flight. The safety mechanisms on the bombs worked and no one died

You know they'd blame the Soviets and go to war simply to cover that up if the bomb had gone off.

Kennedy wouldn't have done that


I put no stock in Kennedy's benevolence, but I imagine they'd have a hard time explaining why the Soviets decided to launch a first strike against an empty field 12 miles north of Goldsboro, NC, population (today) of 36,000.
 
2013-09-20 04:34:29 PM  

dryknife: Carolina BBQ thread?


Depends.  Are you referring to Eastern NC BBQ, commonly accepted as "The Kiss of God", or Western NC BBQ, also known as "The Okee-Dokee Gesture of God", or South Carolina mustard style, best known as "The Anus of Satan"?
 
2013-09-20 04:36:31 PM  

Shadow Blasko: Didn't we just talk about this yesterday ?


About a year ago.  Maybe less.  I'm going to pencil in July 19, 2014 to post this so we can talk about it again.
 
2013-09-20 04:37:11 PM  

Petit_Merdeux: brantgoose: To the best of my knowledge, no one has accidentally exploded a nuclear a-bomb or h-bomb

What about conventional a/h-bombs?

/no love for b/c/d/e/f/g-bombs?


I think there's plenty of love for f-bombs here. /b on the other hand...
 
2013-09-20 04:39:05 PM  
According to the article, the bombs had defective safety mechanisms, three of four of which failed, and the fourth could have been easily triggered by an electric surge (say, the plain being hit by lightening or a fault in some wiring, perhaps?). So North Carolina escaped being hit by eight megatons by the skin of somebody's teeth.

What is more, it would have been iffy whether the measures to communicate with the Soviet Union or to avoid accidental war would have been much help in 1961, when America was on edge because of Cuba and JFK was still enjoying his 100 days.

Imagine you are a young President that Republicans already regard as a Commie because you're a liberal and a Democrat and a North Shore Bostoner and they tell you "Mr. President, Goldsboro, North Carolina is a pit of molton rock a mile or two across. The Pentagon says its the Russkies or Cubans." After the inevitable joke about all of North Carolina being the pits, what would you do?

; )

Been through North Carolina. It's not all the pits. On the contrary, bits of it are excellent.
 
2013-09-20 04:42:58 PM  

jmayson: Shadow Blasko: Didn't we just talk about this yesterday ?

About a year ago.  Maybe less.  I'm going to pencil in July 19, 2014 to post this so we can talk about it again.


No .. We talked about it yesterday...

http://www.fark.com/comments/7939742/

Different story.. Same subject
 
2013-09-20 04:43:07 PM  
A secret document, published in declassified form for the first time by the Guardian today...

So secret, in fact, that it's noted on Wikipedia, io9, and in books that have been available for years.

"Conclusive proof that water is wet" up next.
 
2013-09-20 04:45:40 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: A secret document, published in declassified form for the first time by the Guardian today...

So secret, in fact, that it's noted on Wikipedia, io9, and in books that have been available for years.

"Conclusive proof that water is wet" up next.


Thanks.  You saved me time from reading this article.  I suspected as much earlier.
 
2013-09-20 04:48:01 PM  

Ashyukun: Petit_Merdeux: brantgoose: To the best of my knowledge, no one has accidentally exploded a nuclear a-bomb or h-bomb

What about conventional a/h-bombs?

/no love for b/c/d/e/f/g-bombs?

I think there's plenty of love for f-bombs here. /b on the other hand...


You know what I was trying to say: an a-bomb with the nuclear charge in as opposed to an a-bomb with only the conventional charge. Actually, I shouldn't have included h-bombs because they have no nuclear charge at all. They are fusion, not fission bombs.

R bombs, on the other hand, sort of spoil your joke.

And then there's presumably a whole range of possible bombs that probably don't exist but could, if only as dirty bombs. The T-bomb, for example, would contain Thorium. The P-bomb would only contain the genuine P-funk, which means it could not be dropped by Congress, only Parliament. Or possibly it would consist of charges of Plutonium without Uranium (Uranium is cheaper and easier to get and handle).

So let's call it a tie although I think I might be ahead on points.

As for the C-bomb, it is the one word you still can't say on TV, unlike the F-bomb which is OK for legitimate artistic purposes or to add a bit of spice to late night TV buffoonery.
 
2013-09-20 04:49:38 PM  
Isn't there one still missing off South Carolina?

/"missing"
//just try and secede again, you hillbillies.
 
2013-09-20 04:53:26 PM  

Shadow Blasko: jmayson: Shadow Blasko: Didn't we just talk about this yesterday ?

About a year ago.  Maybe less.  I'm going to pencil in July 19, 2014 to post this so we can talk about it again.

No .. We talked about it yesterday...

http://www.fark.com/comments/7939742/

Different story.. Same subject


Wow.  We also talked about it a few months ago.  Must be a popular topic on Fark.  :-P
 
2013-09-20 04:55:48 PM  

Ashyukun: Petit_Merdeux: brantgoose: To the best of my knowledge, no one has accidentally exploded a nuclear a-bomb or h-bomb

What about conventional a/h-bombs?

/no love for b/c/d/e/f/g-bombs?

I think there's plenty of love for f-bombs here. /b on the other hand...



Speaking of which...

Why would you get this vanity plate?
i52.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-20 04:57:43 PM  

cman: TLDR: a plane carrying nuclear devices broke apart mid-flight. The safety mechanisms on the bombs worked and no one died


No they didn´t. Three of the four safety mechanisms failed.
 
2013-09-20 04:57:51 PM  
They DID drop an atomic bomb on Mars Bluff, SC.  It was an accident though, and the nuclear bit didn't go off.  Landed on my grandfather's buddy's land.
 
2013-09-20 04:59:00 PM  

brantgoose: Ashyukun: Petit_Merdeux: brantgoose: To the best of my knowledge, no one has accidentally exploded a nuclear a-bomb or h-bomb

What about conventional a/h-bombs?

/no love for b/c/d/e/f/g-bombs?

I think there's plenty of love for f-bombs here. /b on the other hand...

You know what I was trying to say: an a-bomb with the nuclear charge in as opposed to an a-bomb with only the conventional charge. Actually, I shouldn't have included h-bombs because they have no nuclear charge at all. They are fusion, not fission bombs.

brantgoose: Ashyukun: Petit_Merdeux: brantgoose: To the best of my knowledge, no one has accidentally exploded a nuclear a-bomb or h-bomb

What about conventional a/h-bombs?

/no love for b/c/d/e/f/g-bombs?

I think there's plenty of love for f-bombs here. /b on the other hand...

You know what I was trying to say: an a-bomb with the nuclear charge in as opposed to an a-bomb with only the conventional charge. Actually, I shouldn't have included h-bombs because they have no nuclear charge at all. They are fusion, not fission bombs.



"Hydrogen bombs" are fission-fusion weapons; they have a fission pit which creates the conditions to fuse the hydrogen.
 
2013-09-20 05:03:02 PM  

J.Shelby: "Hydrogen bombs" are fission-fusion weapons; they have a fission pit which creates the conditions to fuse the hydrogen.


And then they continue on to fission-fusion-fission devices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fission-fusion-fission
 
2013-09-20 05:03:31 PM  
sharetv.org
 
2013-09-20 05:03:52 PM  
Wow, I'm sorry this guy had to file an FOIA request for information that's available online:

http://www.ibiblio.org/bomb/story.html

Guess they were just jerking him around. And the hole in the ground was something of a tourist attraction for ages, I even visited it when I was in college. The landowner finally put up a fence to keep out yahoos like me

www.unc.edu

/old news is old
 
2013-09-20 05:05:07 PM  

Oztemprom: Ashyukun: Petit_Merdeux: brantgoose: To the best of my knowledge, no one has accidentally exploded a nuclear a-bomb or h-bomb

What about conventional a/h-bombs?

/no love for b/c/d/e/f/g-bombs?

I think there's plenty of love for f-bombs here. /b on the other hand...


Speaking of which...

Why would you get this vanity plate?


For the lulz...


or just because you live in Ohio
 
2013-09-20 05:05:54 PM  

spawn73: cman: TLDR: a plane carrying nuclear devices broke apart mid-flight. The safety mechanisms on the bombs worked and no one died

No they didn´t. Three of the four safety mechanisms failed.


Did it explode? No? Then the safety mechanism worked. Thats why they have four of them. Being super safe with nuclear weapons is a very wise idea.
 
2013-09-20 05:11:28 PM  
Old news is so exciting
 
2013-09-20 05:12:26 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: A secret document, published in declassified form for the first time by the Guardian today...

So secret, in fact, that it's noted on Wikipedia, io9, and in books that have been available for years.

"Conclusive proof that water is wet" up next.


Yeah, subby is confused on the difference between "classified" and "declassified."
 
2013-09-20 05:16:54 PM  

Shadow Blasko: Oztemprom: Ashyukun: Petit_Merdeux: brantgoose: To the best of my knowledge, no one has accidentally exploded a nuclear a-bomb or h-bomb

What about conventional a/h-bombs?

/no love for b/c/d/e/f/g-bombs?

I think there's plenty of love for f-bombs here. /b on the other hand...


Speaking of which...

Why would you get this vanity plate?

For the lulz...


or just because you live in Ohio


Well, since you say you're from cincinnati, this was taken at the Shell at E. Liberty and Walnut in OTR.  Which I found even more odd.
 
2013-09-20 05:18:04 PM  
This story was in the old style "printed news" for years.
Not sure if it is still available to the public, but I visited the crater years ago.

Next stubby will let us know about the unrecoverable bomb outside of Savannah somewhere in the ocean.
 
2013-09-20 05:22:57 PM  

Petit_Merdeux: brantgoose: To the best of my knowledge, no one has accidentally exploded a nuclear a-bomb or h-bomb

What about conventional a/h-bombs?

/no love for b/c/d/e/f/g-bombs?


You forgot one...

www.morphizm.com
 
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