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(LA Times)   Syria to miss first "red line" deadline...or not...they do have until tomorrow   (latimes.com) divider line 36
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2013-09-20 12:28:19 PM
Well, now that the rebels are fighting each other, maybe these artificial deadlines can be postponed. Al Qaeda vs the Syrian rebels might warrant close attention to Russia's claims that the rebels used CW as well, knowing the great respect AQ has for human life.
 
2013-09-20 12:31:30 PM
It was so much better when we just hated the nazis and the japs. 
/The good old days.
 
2013-09-20 12:33:22 PM
DESIGNED TO FAIL.

What, you didn't think that Obama and Netanyahu would actually let them comply, did you?
 
2013-09-20 12:34:34 PM
I think the only reason for the saber rattling was to try to get Bengazi, Fast & Furious, and about half a dozen other major scandals out of the headlines, and, sadly, it worked.
 
2013-09-20 12:34:56 PM
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LET'S ROLL!!!
 
2013-09-20 12:35:15 PM
fta It wasn't clear whether Syrian officials needed more time to complete a formal declaration of their chemical arms, or whether the disarmament deal itself was in trouble.

Killing your own citizens is hard work. It's easy to become a little disorganized.
 
2013-09-20 12:35:46 PM
The more we here about Syria the more I think the 'seal's was just a ploy to buy another month or two to sell the war to the 60% or so of Americans and French and etc. who don't want it.
 
2013-09-20 12:36:24 PM

Amos Quito: What, you didn't think that Obama and Netanyahu would actually let them comply, did you?


FTA: Marie Harf, a State Department spokeswoman, said Wednesday that "our goal is to see forward momentum" by Saturday, not the full list. "We've never said it was a hard and fast deadline."

Soooo.... yes?
 
2013-09-20 12:39:05 PM
My dog ate my mustard gas.
 
2013-09-20 12:41:00 PM
This is all so stupid.  Still no real proof that Assad even did it.  The UN report couldn't conclude that.  We couldn't conclude that.

Moving dish soap and beans is hard enough in a war zone.  No way in Hell they can move truckloads of super weapons around without being attacked, killed, and the weapons being absconded with.  The shiat is best left right where it is.  With the rebels being who they are, this stuff will be captured and used if it's moved.

Stupid ultimatums are stupid.
 
2013-09-20 12:41:20 PM
This (NSFW)

     http://goo.gl/G0Hmk6
 
2013-09-20 12:43:19 PM

adm_crunch: I think the only reason for the saber rattling was to try to get Bengazi, Fast & Furious, and about half a dozen other major scandals out of the headlines, and, sadly, it worked.


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2013-09-20 12:44:14 PM
The hero of neoconservative America, Putin, will not let us down.
 
2013-09-20 12:44:53 PM
Whatev...      if there is something to be done then the EU can step up and help.  Or the UN.
 
2013-09-20 12:47:52 PM

socodog: This is all so stupid.  Still no real proof that Assad even did it.  The UN report couldn't conclude that.  We couldn't conclude that.



Israel says they did it, and that's good enough for our Government.

But that's about all it's good for.

/nothing left to do but sit back and watch
 
2013-09-20 12:48:59 PM

adm_crunch: I think the only reason for the saber rattling was to try to get Bengazi, Fast & Furious, and about half a dozen other major scandals out of the headlines, and, sadly, it worked.


Yea man, there's been no coverage of Issa's Continued Witch Hunt at all in the news.  Only what...3-4 articles on Fark about it in the past day or two?

And what of these half a dozen "major scandals"?  Umbrellagate? Ooo, wait, Foot-on-Desk-gate? Am I close?
 
2013-09-20 12:50:26 PM

LarryDan43: The hero of neoconservative America, Putin, will not let us down.


That one still has my head a-spinnin'.  Haven't had a chance to get my crazy uncle's two cents on it yet, but it would be hilarious to see how he reconciles that little bit of cognitive dissonance.  He's a Green Beret from the Cold War era, so I'm sure it'd be a hoot.
 
2013-09-20 12:50:46 PM
Judging from the derp already in this thread, I should have invested in tinfoil companies
 
2013-09-20 12:54:50 PM

incendi: Amos Quito: What, you didn't think that Obama and Netanyahu would actually let them comply, did you?

FTA: Marie Harf, a State Department spokeswoman, said Wednesday that "our goal is to see forward momentum" by Saturday, not the full list. "We've never said it was a hard and fast deadline."

Soooo.... yes?



Also FTA - John Kerry - her boss: "We agreed that Syria must submit within a week - not in 30 days, but in one week - a comprehensive listing," Kerry said Saturday. He said the U.S. would allow "no games, no room for avoidance, or anything less than full compliance."

Soooo.... no?

Or is that a maybe?


/As long as we're arming al Qaeda, it's all good
 
2013-09-20 12:59:32 PM

adm_crunch: I think the only reason for the saber rattling was to try to get Bengazi, Fast & Furious, and about half a dozen other major scandals out of the headlines, and, sadly, it worked.



except that yesterday hearing creating biggest headlines for bengazi so far, i have to agree.

major scandals? care to list them? lol? whar iz bif certifcate fartango???
 
2013-09-20 12:59:46 PM
Whatever. It's a cluster fark. It's been a clusterfark for hundreds of years and will be a clusterfark hundreds of years from now. Wasting time and money on it won't help.

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2013-09-20 01:09:05 PM

Amos Quito: Soooo.... no?

Or is that a maybe?


Well, that's the earlier of the two statements - last Saturday, setting the "ultimatum", vs. Wednesday, with the "Maybe that's not quite so ultimatumish as we previously led you to believe", so yeah, I think somewhere in there, there's the intent to let Syria comply.

Although, the whole ultimatum setting business in the first place has a little bit of the pre-Iraq stink, where we said, "Give us all your documentation NOW OR ELSE!", Saddam gave us a hastily thrown together many-thousands-of-pages document, and we basically said, "HEY, this isn't 12 pt font with 1 inch margins in a clear plastic binder, WTFSHOCKNAWEMOTHERfarkERSGITSOMEWOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEE!!"
 
2013-09-20 01:09:29 PM
Article date:

By Shashank Bengali and Paul Richter
September 18, 2013

So they have until tomorrow from 2 days ago?

Meanwhile, the AP says they sent it:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_CHEMICAL_WEAPONS_SYRIA?SIT E= AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

So, is this just a troll tread or SNAFU submitting / greening?
 
2013-09-20 01:17:57 PM

Kuroshin: That one still has my head a-spinnin'. Haven't had a chance to get my crazy uncle's two cents on it yet, but it would be hilarious to see how he reconciles that little bit of cognitive dissonance. He's a Green Beret from the Cold War era, so I'm sure it'd be a hoot.


"It's those damn liberals"
 
2013-09-20 01:18:34 PM
Forget the red lines.

0.s3.envato.com
They need to get down with the white lines

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2013-09-20 01:24:08 PM

incendi: Amos Quito: What, you didn't think that Obama and Netanyahu would actually let them comply, did you?

FTA: Marie Harf, a State Department spokeswoman, said Wednesday that "our goal is to see forward momentum" by Saturday, not the full list. "We've never said it was a hard and fast deadline."

Soooo.... yes?


It was not so much a red line as general guidance.

www.darkgovernment.com
 
2013-09-20 01:26:13 PM

uber humper: Forget the red lines.

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They need to get down with the white lines

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Get higher, baby.
 
2013-09-20 01:32:41 PM

adm_crunch: I think the only reason for the saber rattling was to try to get Bengazi, Fast & Furious, and about half a dozen other major scandals out of the headlines, and, sadly, it worked.


If that was the case then it backfired.

Obama billed himself as a foreign policy master. Unfortunately you don't score points for stopping a war you threatened to start. You also don't win awards for going from "we want that guy out of power" to "we will accept his non binding disarmament agreement with no deadlines or consequences or disarmament".
The end result is we've had a negative effect on what was already an atrocity, and Putin won't let us live it down.

Its obvious now that the president honed his epic foreign policy skill on board games with the kids. That hint of fresh blood in the water means the sharks are going to circle. So expect a slow-mo replay of every scandal that's come before.

/The fun thing is that they're going to keep coming back until some kind of closure is reached.
/Of course there won't be any, since this administration thinks holding people accountable is just another opportunity for legitimizing a scandal.
/Which means every time you've got some foreign policy debacle, corruption, or shootin, these stories are good as new.
 
2013-09-20 01:33:10 PM

hasty ambush: incendi: Amos Quito: What, you didn't think that Obama and Netanyahu would actually let them comply, did you?

FTA: Marie Harf, a State Department spokeswoman, said Wednesday that "our goal is to see forward momentum" by Saturday, not the full list. "We've never said it was a hard and fast deadline."

Soooo.... yes?

It was not so much a red line as general guidance.

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Obama's gonna' need more paint?
 
2013-09-20 01:38:35 PM
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2013-09-20 01:41:49 PM
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2013-09-20 02:15:58 PM

hasty ambush: [img.fark.net image 271x1500]



AH HAHAHAHAHA!

Love it!
 
2013-09-20 02:31:29 PM
Which time zone?
 
2013-09-20 02:40:57 PM
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2013-09-20 05:06:12 PM
i44.tinypic.com
 
2013-09-20 06:15:29 PM

way south: adm_crunch: I think the only reason for the saber rattling was to try to get Bengazi, Fast & Furious, and about half a dozen other major scandals out of the headlines, and, sadly, it worked.

If that was the case then it backfired.

Obama billed himself as a foreign policy master. Unfortunately you don't score points for stopping a war you threatened to start. You also don't win awards for going from "we want that guy out of power" to "we will accept his non binding disarmament agreement with no deadlines or consequences or disarmament".
The end result is we've had a negative effect on what was already an atrocity, and Putin won't let us live it down.

...

Putin has already gotten what he wants, which is the Russians will continue to supply Assad with weapons and supplies, fortifying Assad's position in a war he is winning right now, in return for the chemical weapons which were most likely supplied by Russia to begin with.

All the while the Oval Office and State Department stumble with absolutely zero direction. What to do? Who to support? When and how?

In this so called "Proxy" war, Putin won. He keeps his sphere of influence there and keeps an ally in a volatile region.  In the scheme of things its not significant to me because Syria wasn't an issue in the past nor will it be in the future when Assad keeps his reign. It just knocks us down a peg or two and makes Obama look foolish.

It was an exercise in Geo-Politics that we failed. Plain and simple.
 
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