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(Huffington Post)   Rep. Peter King (R-NY) tells Ted Cruz to shut the hell up and mind his own business. Or, to paraphrase Darth Vader, "The circular firing squad is now complete"   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 131
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2013-09-20 10:59:48 AM  
this battle for the GOP may come to a head sooner than 2014. interesting.
 
2013-09-20 11:07:32 AM  
If he can sit down with Vladimir Putin, he can sit down with John Boehner."

The difference being that Putin is a reasonable man who can deliver on his promises and doesn't hate America.
 
2013-09-20 11:08:55 AM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: and doesn't hate America.


I don't know about that part.
 
2013-09-20 11:15:54 AM  
Tard fight!
 
2013-09-20 11:20:52 AM  

ManateeGag: Eddie Adams from Torrance: and doesn't hate America.

I don't know about that part.


well, not as much as "calgary" ted cruz.
 
2013-09-20 11:40:03 AM  
FTA:  "If we make it through this continuing resolution crisis, it'll be because of John Boehner's leadership, and the president has an absolute obligation to sit down with John after this and resolve the debt ceiling issue" King said.

No, he really has no such obligation, especially since the GOP has proven again and again that they can't be trusted to negotiate in good faith.  Plus, the debt ceiling should have never been up for debate in the first place.

Your options are do what the President and the Senate Majority tell you to do, or throw your little hissy fit and let the government shut down.  If you decide to throw the temper tantrum, don't be surprised when the voters spank you the next chance they get.
 
2013-09-20 11:40:44 AM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: If he can sit down with Vladimir Putin, he can sit down with John Boehner."

The difference being that Putin is a reasonable man who can deliver on his promises and doesn't hate America.


Boehner fails firstly because he isn't the Speaker for the whole House as he should be (novel concept, huh?), but only for the GOP wing, and secondly because he can't even deliver them. There are about 3 guys who will vote the way Boehner wants them to, but the rest are loose cannons who only respond to Rush Limbaugh and Roger Ailes.
 
2013-09-20 12:20:58 PM  
History repeats itself.

maureenholland.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-20 12:23:19 PM  
If there wasn't so much at stake the only thing you could do is laugh at how bad  Boehner is at his job.
 
2013-09-20 12:23:56 PM  
Is there some way we can honestly eliminate the GOP before they manage to do it themselves? Avoid this shiatstorm?
For farks sake, enough childish bullshiat.
 
2013-09-20 12:24:17 PM  

MrBallou: Eddie Adams from Torrance: If he can sit down with Vladimir Putin, he can sit down with John Boehner."

The difference being that Putin is a reasonable man who can deliver on his promises and doesn't hate America.

Boehner fails firstly because he isn't the Speaker for the whole House as he should be (novel concept, huh?), but only for the GOP wing, and secondly because he can't even deliver them. There are about 3 guys who will vote the way Boehner wants them to, but the rest are loose cannons who only respond to Rush Limbaugh and Roger Ailes.


I have been informed on Fark  that the republicans are a monolithic entity, only those on the left have the courage to vote their conscience and go against the party. Can I get a ruling?
 
2013-09-20 12:26:21 PM  
studs up:

I have been informed on Fark  that the republicans are a monolithic entity, only those on the left have the courage to vote their conscience and go against the party. Can I get a ruling?

Why would anyone vote GOP?
 
2013-09-20 12:27:05 PM  

studs up: MrBallou: Eddie Adams from Torrance: If he can sit down with Vladimir Putin, he can sit down with John Boehner."

The difference being that Putin is a reasonable man who can deliver on his promises and doesn't hate America.

Boehner fails firstly because he isn't the Speaker for the whole House as he should be (novel concept, huh?), but only for the GOP wing, and secondly because he can't even deliver them. There are about 3 guys who will vote the way Boehner wants them to, but the rest are loose cannons who only respond to Rush Limbaugh and Roger Ailes.

I have been informed on Fark  that the republicans are a monolithic entity, only those on the left have the courage to vote their conscience and go against the party. Can I get a ruling?


They were, but some of them realize the whole ship is going to sink if they actually pull the trigger on the hostage they are holding.
 
2013-09-20 12:28:17 PM  

studs up: MrBallou: Eddie Adams from Torrance: If he can sit down with Vladimir Putin, he can sit down with John Boehner."

The difference being that Putin is a reasonable man who can deliver on his promises and doesn't hate America.

Boehner fails firstly because he isn't the Speaker for the whole House as he should be (novel concept, huh?), but only for the GOP wing, and secondly because he can't even deliver them. There are about 3 guys who will vote the way Boehner wants them to, but the rest are loose cannons who only respond to Rush Limbaugh and Roger Ailes.

I have been informed on Fark  that the republicans are a monolithic entity, only those on the left have the courage to vote their conscience and go against the party. Can I get a ruling?


What you are witnessing is the exact reason that the GOP tries to keep a strangle hold on their members. If any of their members have  idea that runs counter to the party platform, it's usually extremely idiotic and only damages the party.
 
2013-09-20 12:29:59 PM  
When Teatards were in Boehner's land. Let my caucus go.
 
2013-09-20 12:30:23 PM  
TuteTibiImperes: ...If you decide to throw the temper tantrum, don't be surprised when the voters spank you the next chance they get.

The sad and chilling thing is, thanks to the confluence of GOP propaganda and 2010 gerrymandering, pretty much anyone who still votes Republican in the first place thinks the House Republicans are totally in the right and making a principled stand for 'Murica, and will continue to vote Republican for the foreseeable future.  The best-case scenario is they stay home, or primary moderates in favor of unelectable whackadoodles. The latter is what I'm figuring will happen, given the latest spate of tea party blundering that saw the ousting of Dick Lugar and very potential ousting of Mitch McConnell.

Either way, this  won't have worked itself out by 2014, shutdown or no, since the GOP at this point can't afford to outright ostracize the tea party and their votes, yet can't enact any of their political will without.
 
2013-09-20 12:30:50 PM  

bwilson27: studs up:

I have been informed on Fark  that the republicans are a monolithic entity, only those on the left have the courage to vote their conscience and go against the party. Can I get a ruling?

Why would anyone vote GOP?


I wouldn't, at least reflexively. Split ticket voting in CA is pretty common (at least it used to be). I just see the GOP at constant odds with itself and then this ridiculous claim made.
 
2013-09-20 12:31:21 PM  
Will Cruz being wearing adult diapers to the filibuster?
 
2013-09-20 12:33:07 PM  
FTFA: "For him to say he won't negotiate is the height of arrogance. If he can sit down with Vladimir Putin, he can sit down with John Boehner."

i6.photobucket.com

Putin draws a lot of water in International Geopolitics. Boehner doesn't draw shiat.
 
2013-09-20 12:33:11 PM  
"If we make it through this continuing resolution crisis, it'll be because of John Boehner's leadership

ohwaityou'reserious.jpg
 
2013-09-20 12:33:48 PM  
And now Cruz is saying it's now REID's job to defund Obamacare.

Republicans - Where everything is someone else's responsibility to do your job for you.
 
2013-09-20 12:34:55 PM  

studs up: MrBallou: Eddie Adams from Torrance: If he can sit down with Vladimir Putin, he can sit down with John Boehner."

The difference being that Putin is a reasonable man who can deliver on his promises and doesn't hate America.

Boehner fails firstly because he isn't the Speaker for the whole House as he should be (novel concept, huh?), but only for the GOP wing, and secondly because he can't even deliver them. There are about 3 guys who will vote the way Boehner wants them to, but the rest are loose cannons who only respond to Rush Limbaugh and Roger Ailes.

I have been informed on Fark  that the republicans are a monolithic entity, only those on the left have the courage to vote their conscience and go against the party. Can I get a ruling?


They are monolithic in that they stand for very stupid things that are very bad for this country.  There are 2 groups fighting for the soul of that stupidity - the theofascists (TeaParty) and the DefecitHawks (who cut stuff that helps and not stuff that doesn't, e.g., bloated military).   The Tea Party doesn't really believe that they have been Co-Opted by the Religious Right, but they have.  So at least the 2 groups have the common theme of f*cking our economic recovery, but the Tea Party goes the extra mile by f*cking your reproductive and self-actualization rights.
 
2013-09-20 12:35:56 PM  

Somacandra: FTFA: "For him to say he won't negotiate is the height of arrogance. If he can sit down with Vladimir Putin, he can sit down with John Boehner."

[i6.photobucket.com image 280x160]

Putin draws a lot of water in International Geopolitics. Boehner doesn't draw shiat.


Boehner treats international geopolitics like women.
 
2013-09-20 12:36:20 PM  

MrBallou: Eddie Adams from Torrance: If he can sit down with Vladimir Putin, he can sit down with John Boehner."

The difference being that Putin is a reasonable man who can deliver on his promises and doesn't hate America.

Boehner fails firstly because he isn't the Speaker for the whole House as he should be (novel concept, huh?), but only for the GOP wing, and secondly because he can't even deliver them. There are about 3 guys who will vote the way Boehner wants them to, but the rest are loose cannons who only respond to Rush Limbaugh and Roger Ailes.


That's Kevin McCarthy's problem.  He's the whip, it's his job to make those assholes deliver, and he has failed spectacularly at it.  It looks to me like the House Republicans have almost completely circumvented the normal Speaker/ Leader/Whip power structure in favor of the media-controlled tards you described.  I almost feel sorry for McCarthy.

Almost.

Boehner should replace him - but who the fark is there?  I imagine Boehner and Cantor have been all over the Hill, looking for someone reasonable (and reasonably powerful) to take over as whip - but no sane person wants to touch that with the business end of a barge pole.

And to say that Boehner is the Speaker of the GOP and not the whole House is moot.  That's how it always works - the majority party gets the Speaker's chair, and the Speaker then pushes the Party's agenda because he knows he has the votes to back it up and make it the House's agenda based on a majority vote.

I must say, it's been fun this year, watching from a safe distance.  You guys are royally farked until the GOP finally implodes.
 
2013-09-20 12:38:18 PM  

studs up: MrBallou: Eddie Adams from Torrance: If he can sit down with Vladimir Putin, he can sit down with John Boehner."

The difference being that Putin is a reasonable man who can deliver on his promises and doesn't hate America.

Boehner fails firstly because he isn't the Speaker for the whole House as he should be (novel concept, huh?), but only for the GOP wing, and secondly because he can't even deliver them. There are about 3 guys who will vote the way Boehner wants them to, but the rest are loose cannons who only respond to Rush Limbaugh and Roger Ailes.

I have been informed on Fark  that the republicans are a monolithic entity, only those on the left have the courage to vote their conscience and go against the party. Can I get a ruling?


Those on the left can vote their conscience and still be voting with the party, because the party platform is usually reasonable.
Those on the right can't vote for their party's platform if they have a conscience at all.
 
2013-09-20 12:39:10 PM  

max_pooper: What you are witnessing is the exact reason that the GOP tries to keep a strangle hold on their members. If any of their members have idea that runs counter to the party platform, it's usually extremely idiotic and only damages the party.


So the party platform is monolithic and whatever the opposite of "extremely idiotic" is? I didn't get the feeling you were such a fan of the GOP. I guess, as a supporter, you would want to keep the platform sane, logical and intelligent rather than let the crazies of your party ruin the message with ideas that run counter and are extremely idiotic instead. Makes sense.
 
2013-09-20 12:39:56 PM  

coeyagi: The Tea Party doesn't really believe that they have been Co-Opted by the Religious Right, but they have.


This was literally never true after it was co-opted from RON PAUL!. I had a libertarian buddy who was excited by the brand spanking new party. It took me all of five minutes to prove to him they were theocratic assholes who just wanted to see the world burn.
 
2013-09-20 12:40:38 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: If he can sit down with Vladimir Putin, he can sit down with John Boehner."

The difference being that Putin is a reasonable man who can deliver on his promises and doesn't hate America.


That's the only relevant indisputable point. Boehner has shown time and again that he has no power to leverage his caucus (repeatedly coming up with compromise bills that he has to pull at the last second because he can't get a majority of his own party to back them) so in what way does talking to Boehner help get us to a point where a bill can be passed?
 
2013-09-20 12:41:19 PM  

FlashHarry: this battle for the GOP may come to a head sooner than 2014. interesting.


I disagree.  This thing is going to drag on for a while.  It won't end until the moderates give up and let the tea partiers have their wish---a Bachmann/Gohmert presidential ticket.  When the Democrats win with 450+ electoral votes, the moderates can then finally put an end to the "not conservative enough" talk, which IMHO is the root of their problems.
 
2013-09-20 12:41:24 PM  

studs up: max_pooper: What you are witnessing is the exact reason that the GOP tries to keep a strangle hold on their members. If any of their members have idea that runs counter to the party platform, it's usually extremely idiotic and only damages the party.

So the party platform is monolithic and whatever the opposite of "extremely idiotic" is? I didn't get the feeling you were such a fan of the GOP. I guess, as a supporter, you would want to keep the platform sane, logical and intelligent rather than let the crazies of your party ruin the message with ideas that run counter and are extremely idiotic instead. Makes sense.


No, the GOP platform is idiotic. When morans drift from the official GOP policy, it's extremely idiotic.
 
2013-09-20 12:44:50 PM  

max_pooper: No, the GOP platform is idiotic. When morans drift from the official GOP policy, it's extremely idiotic.


in fairness to the platform, the did change/butcher it all to right-wing hell during the last RNC

/I'm bringing back the TR Republicans.
//Who's with me?! \o/
 
2013-09-20 12:44:50 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: MrBallou: Eddie Adams from Torrance: If he can sit down with Vladimir Putin, he can sit down with John Boehner."

The difference being that Putin is a reasonable man who can deliver on his promises and doesn't hate America.

Boehner fails firstly because he isn't the Speaker for the whole House as he should be (novel concept, huh?), but only for the GOP wing, and secondly because he can't even deliver them. There are about 3 guys who will vote the way Boehner wants them to, but the rest are loose cannons who only respond to Rush Limbaugh and Roger Ailes.

That's Kevin McCarthy's problem.  He's the whip, it's his job to make those assholes deliver, and he has failed spectacularly at it.  It looks to me like the House Republicans have almost completely circumvented the normal Speaker/ Leader/Whip power structure in favor of the media-controlled tards you described.  I almost feel sorry for McCarthy.

Almost.

Boehner should replace him - but who the fark is there?  I imagine Boehner and Cantor have been all over the Hill, looking for someone reasonable (and reasonably powerful) to take over as whip - but no sane person wants to touch that with the business end of a barge pole.

And to say that Boehner is the Speaker of the GOP and not the whole House is moot.  That's how it always works - the majority party gets the Speaker's chair, and the Speaker then pushes the Party's agenda because he knows he has the votes to back it up and make it the House's agenda based on a majority vote.

I must say, it's been fun this year, watching from a safe distance.  You guys are royally farked until the GOP finally implodes.


Excellent analysis. Thanks,

And to say that Boehner is the Speaker of the GOP and not the whole House is moot.

I'm a dreamer. I want government as it should be, not as it is.
 
2013-09-20 12:45:45 PM  

lockers: coeyagi: The Tea Party doesn't really believe that they have been Co-Opted by the Religious Right, but they have.

This was literally never true after it was co-opted from RON PAUL!. I had a libertarian buddy who was excited by the brand spanking new party. It took me all of five minutes to prove to him they were theocratic assholes who just wanted to see the world burn.


The biggest liars on Fark always have a Buddy or a Friend involved, don't they?
 
2013-09-20 12:47:13 PM  

bwilson27: lockers: coeyagi: The Tea Party doesn't really believe that they have been Co-Opted by the Religious Right, but they have.

This was literally never true after it was co-opted from RON PAUL!. I had a libertarian buddy who was excited by the brand spanking new party. It took me all of five minutes to prove to him they were theocratic assholes who just wanted to see the world burn.

The biggest liars on Fark always have a Buddy or a Friend involved, don't they?


So you contend the Tea Party isn't a rebranded religious right?
 
2013-09-20 12:48:39 PM  

lockers: bwilson27: lockers: coeyagi: The Tea Party doesn't really believe that they have been Co-Opted by the Religious Right, but they have.

This was literally never true after it was co-opted from RON PAUL!. I had a libertarian buddy who was excited by the brand spanking new party. It took me all of five minutes to prove to him they were theocratic assholes who just wanted to see the world burn.

The biggest liars on Fark always have a Buddy or a Friend involved, don't they?

So you contend the Tea Party isn't a rebranded religious right?


Hey I'm only pointing out the fark Buddy meme. Don't twist this around on me.
 
2013-09-20 12:49:27 PM  

MrBallou: Those on the left can vote their conscience and still be voting with the party, because the party platform is usually reasonable.
Those on the right can't vote for their party's platform if they have a conscience at all.


My issue here is more logical than political.
According to this statement, a democrat can vote either yea or nay on a particular issue and still be voting the party platform. The reason for this is that the platform is reasonable.
Basically what you are stating is that a reasonable platform accepts either a yea or nay vote by democrats but that same vote by a republican proves they have no conscience.
Would you agree with this assessment?
 
2013-09-20 12:51:43 PM  

studs up: MrBallou: Those on the left can vote their conscience and still be voting with the party, because the party platform is usually reasonable.
Those on the right can't vote for their party's platform if they have a conscience at all.

My issue here is more logical than political.
According to this statement, a democrat can vote either yea or nay on a particular issue and still be voting the party platform. The reason for this is that the platform is reasonable.
Basically what you are stating is that a reasonable platform accepts either a yea or nay vote by democrats but that same vote by a republican proves they have no conscience.
Would you agree with this assessment?


Maybe he meant the Democrats offer better choices? Because basically, they do.
 
2013-09-20 12:52:49 PM  

coeyagi: Somacandra: FTFA: "For him to say he won't negotiate is the height of arrogance. If he can sit down with Vladimir Putin, he can sit down with John Boehner."

[i6.photobucket.com image 280x160]

Putin draws a lot of water in International Geopolitics. Boehner doesn't draw shiat.

Boehner treats international geopolitics like women.


He runs away from them crying?  But that's his solution to everything!
 
2013-09-20 12:54:52 PM  

PanicMan: coeyagi: Somacandra: FTFA: "For him to say he won't negotiate is the height of arrogance. If he can sit down with Vladimir Putin, he can sit down with John Boehner."

[i6.photobucket.com image 280x160]

Putin draws a lot of water in International Geopolitics. Boehner doesn't draw shiat.

Boehner treats international geopolitics like women.

He runs away from them crying?  But that's his solution to everything!


Don't forget blaming them for his mess, too.
 
2013-09-20 12:56:35 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: FTA:  "If we make it through this continuing resolution crisis, it'll be because of John Boehner's leadership, and the president has an absolute obligation to sit down with John after this and resolve the debt ceiling issue" King said.

No, he really has no such obligation, especially since the GOP has proven again and again that they can't be trusted to negotiate in good faith.  Plus, the debt ceiling should have never been up for debate in the first place.

Your options are do what the President and the Senate Majority tell you to do, or throw your little hissy fit and let the government shut down.  If you decide to throw the temper tantrum, don't be surprised when the voters spank you the next chance they get.


Also, Putin actually has something to negotiate with. Boehner, not so much.
 
2013-09-20 12:56:53 PM  

Somacandra: FTFA: "For him to say he won't negotiate is the height of arrogance. If he can sit down with Vladimir Putin, he can sit down with John Boehner."

[i6.photobucket.com image 280x160]

Putin draws a lot of water in International Geopolitics. Boehner doesn't draw shiat.



Plus, what the hell is there to negotiate?  The GOP's demand is "repeal the ACA" (i.e., the law that Obama spent his first term, and tons of political capital getting enacted.  How are you supposed to negotiate with someone whose "offer" is to completely dismantle the most important legislation enacted in the past decade?

I'm so tired of this shiat.  saying that "Obama should negotiate - we'll increase the debt limit if he simply agrees to repeal obamacare" is like a gunman saying "I'll release 20 hostages if you let me kill one of them"
 
2013-09-20 12:57:44 PM  

bwilson27: studs up: MrBallou: Those on the left can vote their conscience and still be voting with the party, because the party platform is usually reasonable.
Those on the right can't vote for their party's platform if they have a conscience at all.

My issue here is more logical than political.
According to this statement, a democrat can vote either yea or nay on a particular issue and still be voting the party platform. The reason for this is that the platform is reasonable.
Basically what you are stating is that a reasonable platform accepts either a yea or nay vote by democrats but that same vote by a republican proves they have no conscience.
Would you agree with this assessment?

Maybe he meant the Democrats offer better choices? Because basically, they do.


I see

Democrat ideas are Good/Better (vote your conscience)
Republican ideas are Idiotic/Extremely idiotic (tow the party line)

This is what you are proposing?
 
2013-09-20 12:58:42 PM  

bwilson27: lockers: bwilson27: lockers: coeyagi: The Tea Party doesn't really believe that they have been Co-Opted by the Religious Right, but they have.

This was literally never true after it was co-opted from RON PAUL!. I had a libertarian buddy who was excited by the brand spanking new party. It took me all of five minutes to prove to him they were theocratic assholes who just wanted to see the world burn.

The biggest liars on Fark always have a Buddy or a Friend involved, don't they?

So you contend the Tea Party isn't a rebranded religious right?

Hey I'm only pointing out the fark Buddy meme. Don't twist this around on me.


I wasn't aware it was a fark meme. Am I a liar or are you saying I might be a liar do to precedent?
 
2013-09-20 12:59:34 PM  

studs up: bwilson27: studs up: MrBallou: Those on the left can vote their conscience and still be voting with the party, because the party platform is usually reasonable.
Those on the right can't vote for their party's platform if they have a conscience at all.

My issue here is more logical than political.
According to this statement, a democrat can vote either yea or nay on a particular issue and still be voting the party platform. The reason for this is that the platform is reasonable.
Basically what you are stating is that a reasonable platform accepts either a yea or nay vote by democrats but that same vote by a republican proves they have no conscience.
Would you agree with this assessment?

Maybe he meant the Democrats offer better choices? Because basically, they do.

I see

Democrat ideas are Good/Better (vote your conscience)
Republican ideas are Idiotic/Extremely idiotic (tow the party line)

This is what you are proposing?


Yes.
 
2013-09-20 12:59:40 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: If he can sit down with Vladimir Putin, he can sit down with John Boehner."

The difference being that Putin is a reasonable man who can deliver on his promises and doesn't hate America.


That and Putin is also not an economic terrorist.
 
2013-09-20 12:59:58 PM  

studs up: I have been informed on Fark  that the republicans are a monolithic entity, only those on the left have the courage to vote their conscience and go against the party. Can I get a ruling?


I often hear that the best route to honest discussion is to state the views of other people participating in the discussion for them. That tidies up the whole process of allowing people to speak to themselves. This allows you to continue the argument you've practiced in your mind and avoids messiness like having to actually listen to anyone.
 
2013-09-20 01:00:23 PM  
lockers:

I wasn't aware it was a fark meme. Am I a liar or are you saying I might be a liar do to precedent?

You're a liar.
 
2013-09-20 01:02:06 PM  

studs up: MrBallou: Those on the left can vote their conscience and still be voting with the party, because the party platform is usually reasonable.
Those on the right can't vote for their party's platform if they have a conscience at all.

My issue here is more logical than political.
According to this statement, a democrat can vote either yea or nay on a particular issue and still be voting the party platform. The reason for this is that the platform is reasonable.
Basically what you are stating is that a reasonable platform accepts either a yea or nay vote by democrats but that same vote by a republican proves they have no conscience.
Would you agree with this assessment?


No. That is not at all what I said.

"Voting your conscience" is not a synonym for voting against your party's platform. I'm using it to mean "not being an asshat and voting for something bad for the country just because your evil masters tell you to".
 
2013-09-20 01:04:10 PM  
Stop with the calls for the President to negotiate.
There is nothing to "negotiate".

You can not negotiate when you offer nothing that the other side wants that you don't ALSO want.
Passing budgets and raising the debt ceiling aren't concessions made in negotiations. They are normal functions that both sides want and need.

You can't negotiate if you offer nothing. You can only demand that the other side give in to what you want.

Once again, for the billionth time in history, the GOP is playing the game of accusing their opposition of their own sins.
 
2013-09-20 01:08:37 PM  

MrBallou: studs up: MrBallou: Those on the left can vote their conscience and still be voting with the party, because the party platform is usually reasonable.
Those on the right can't vote for their party's platform if they have a conscience at all.

My issue here is more logical than political.
According to this statement, a democrat can vote either yea or nay on a particular issue and still be voting the party platform. The reason for this is that the platform is reasonable.
Basically what you are stating is that a reasonable platform accepts either a yea or nay vote by democrats but that same vote by a republican proves they have no conscience.
Would you agree with this assessment?

No. That is not at all what I said.

"Voting your conscience" is not a synonym for voting against your party's platform. I'm using it to mean "not being an asshat and voting for something bad for the country just because your evil masters tell you to".


So to cut and paste your definitions here:
Those on the left can vote their conscience not being an asshat and voting for something bad for the country just because your evil masters tell you to and still be voting with the party, because the party platform is usually reasonable.
Those on the right can't vote for their party's platform if they have a conscience at all.


So we are back to:
Democrat ideas are Good/Better (vote your conscience)
Republican ideas are Idiotic/Extremely idiotic (tow the party line)
 
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