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2013-09-20 07:57:19 PM

PsiChick: theknuckler_33: Dancin_In_Anson: tin_man: it doesn't take long to figure out where the child's shiatty attitude comes from.

Most teenage kids (and I'm going to assume these fine specimens are in the 13-14 year old range) have shiatty, self absorbed attitudes by default regardless of how good their parenting has been.

My daughter turns 11 tomorrow. So far, so good, but I'm prepared for the forthcoming 6 or so years of hell.

Actually, it won't be as much hell as you think it is. This is the stage of life where kids can understand and even participate in rule-building. You need to be a bit flexible, too--for example, if you're calling them at school to check up on them, you're probably going overboard--but including them in the discussion  really helps.

/I speak from experience
//Children are as good or bad as their parents
///Puberty screws it up a little, but not as much as people think--it really boils down to if the parents are willing to be respectful of the children instead of dismissive. Treat them like adults and they will behave like adults.


I really hope you are right. I am by no means a helicopter parent and the idea of calling my kid at school seem preposterous. I already try very hard to explain why I (and her mother) do what we do and have had fair results.  It is difficult to want to confirm something she tells us without her thinking that we think she is lying. That was our latest problem. Homework book came home with an assignment, but the assignment wasn't in the homework folder. Daughter tells us teacher retracted the assignment. We just wanted to write a note to the teacher about it and she was very upset that we didn't trust her.  That took a lot of explaining.
 
2013-09-20 08:02:52 PM

theknuckler_33: PsiChick: theknuckler_33: Dancin_In_Anson: tin_man: it doesn't take long to figure out where the child's shiatty attitude comes from.

Most teenage kids (and I'm going to assume these fine specimens are in the 13-14 year old range) have shiatty, self absorbed attitudes by default regardless of how good their parenting has been.

My daughter turns 11 tomorrow. So far, so good, but I'm prepared for the forthcoming 6 or so years of hell.

Actually, it won't be as much hell as you think it is. This is the stage of life where kids can understand and even participate in rule-building. You need to be a bit flexible, too--for example, if you're calling them at school to check up on them, you're probably going overboard--but including them in the discussion  really helps.

/I speak from experience
//Children are as good or bad as their parents
///Puberty screws it up a little, but not as much as people think--it really boils down to if the parents are willing to be respectful of the children instead of dismissive. Treat them like adults and they will behave like adults.

I really hope you are right. I am by no means a helicopter parent and the idea of calling my kid at school seem preposterous. I already try very hard to explain why I (and her mother) do what we do and have had fair results.  It is difficult to want to confirm something she tells us without her thinking that we think she is lying. That was our latest problem. Homework book came home with an assignment, but the assignment wasn't in the homework folder. Daughter tells us teacher retracted the assignment. We just wanted to write a note to the teacher about it and she was very upset that we didn't trust her.  That took a lot of explaining.


Hopefully you guys can get a good solution. :)
 
2013-09-20 08:07:42 PM
This is up to 32000 AUD!!!! That's over US$30K!! Still 4 auction days to go! I wonder if the bidder will pay up.
 
2013-09-20 08:23:24 PM

PsiChick: Hopefully you guys can get a good solution. :)


It worked out pretty well. I told her, truthfully, that if the teacher is going to write an assignment on the board and then later retract the assignment, he should do something a bit more formal than just tell the kids to forget about it. Yes, I did want to confirm what my daughter told me, but not so much because I didn't trust her, but because I just want to make sure teacher, student, and parent, are all on the same page. Since I'm not in the classroom, that's going to mean writing/speaking to the teacher directly on a regular basis.  I think my daughter understood.
 
2013-09-20 08:27:30 PM

Carousel Beast: tin_man: Reading that, whichever parent it may have been written by, it doesn't take long to figure out where the child's shiatty attitude comes from.

You're reading the tail end of an emotional transaction and projecting from there. Given that this was obviously borne of frustration and everyone agrees that it is a quality parenting move, it's actually far more likely that your assumption is in error. Assumption makes an ass out of you, as the old saying goes.


Everyone is far from agreeing that this was quality parenting, and even if everyone did agree, the popular opinion would still be wrong. Firstly, you can almost hear the glee in this smug person's tone as you read that. Quality parents find no joy in having to take things away from their children due to behavioral issues. Secondly, quality parents don't reduce themselves to the maturity level of their children by directing profanity at them. If you have to resort to that, the battle is already lost. Lastly, all kids screw up and make mistakes, due to self absorption, ignorance, an over-inflated opinion of themselves, or any one of a hundred other reasons, many of which may have no nefarious genesis at all. A quality parent tries to help their children grow beyond a horrendously uncomfortable stage in human development with as little public attention as possible, so once they've grown beyond that stage the child can forget about all of the bullshiat they did when they were trying to figure everything out, because now that they've learned the lesson, what got them there has no value.

A shiatty parent makes it a public spectacle, and uses the opinions of others to shame and demean their child in order to feel superior. Carlin once said that if your kid needs a role model, and you aren't it, you're both screwed. He was talking about these people.
 
2013-09-20 10:22:55 PM

Sqrxz: This is up to 32000 AUD!!!! That's over US$30K!! Still 4 auction days to go! I wonder if the bidder will pay up.


well, only one way to be sure...  cry havoc and loose /b/ and TFD on it...
 
2013-09-20 10:39:15 PM
They ended it... wonder who did and why
 
2013-09-20 11:28:28 PM

theknuckler_33: C_Canuk: Is that what you want?

If you don't think a 3 year old can feel humiliated by being yelled at by her parents in front of a group of people, you are an idiot. If you can't handle a 3 years old acting out in public without berating them so everyone around you can hear, the problem is not with a devious 3 year old, it is with a brain dead parent who has no idea how to handle a disruptive toddler.

I've had to gather up my kicking-and-screaming daughter on an occasion or two and get her out of whatever situation it was and none of those times required me to loudly berate her in front of strangers. She got the discipline she needed in private.

And, if you think 'public shaming' is such a good idea, you strike me as the kind of person who thinks certain behavior should kept... you know... in the closet.

I agreed with you, at first, almost entirely except for overt public displays of discipline. You can accomplish EVERYTHING you think is important while being a lot more discreet. And you posted THAT response?  You're a farking idiot.


You call me "a farking idiot" because I don't think what the man supposedly said was all that humiliating compared to what kids do anyway, then in the next paragraph you claim you instead pick them up bodily and carry them out of a public place as if being manhandled and having your will thwarted by someone physically 2-10 times your size isn't a lot more humiliating than being told why they are leaving.

Then you make a slanderous assertion that I'm a bigot because I recognize the proven strength of the threat of public shaming. Keep in mind that bigots are largely seen on message boards where they can't be publicly shamed, understand that the true bigots are kept in check because society at large publicly shames those that dare expose their bigotry in front of an enlightened majority.

I'd like to point out, that you ignore my position that risk of humiliation is a check/balance that is effective and necessary for our society to flourish and is the only reason our society is not like a message board.

But go ahead and hide behind your anonymity and call me a farking idiot some more. Don't worry, no one can publicly shame you for acting like an immature child because you don't like my opinion.

Have a mature civil day.
 
2013-09-20 11:32:07 PM
pwnd
 
2013-09-20 11:48:50 PM

C_Canuk: theknuckler_33: C_Canuk: Is that what you want?

If you don't think a 3 year old can feel humiliated by being yelled at by her parents in front of a group of people, you are an idiot. If you can't handle a 3 years old acting out in public without berating them so everyone around you can hear, the problem is not with a devious 3 year old, it is with a brain dead parent who has no idea how to handle a disruptive toddler.

I've had to gather up my kicking-and-screaming daughter on an occasion or two and get her out of whatever situation it was and none of those times required me to loudly berate her in front of strangers. She got the discipline she needed in private.

And, if you think 'public shaming' is such a good idea, you strike me as the kind of person who thinks certain behavior should kept... you know... in the closet.

I agreed with you, at first, almost entirely except for overt public displays of discipline. You can accomplish EVERYTHING you think is important while being a lot more discreet. And you posted THAT response?  You're a farking idiot.

You call me "a farking idiot" because I don't think what the man supposedly said was all that humiliating compared to what kids do anyway, then in the next paragraph you claim you instead pick them up bodily and carry them out of a public place as if being manhandled and having your will thwarted by someone physically 2-10 times your size isn't a lot more humiliating than being told why they are leaving.


Lol. I get it now. You got me. Well done.

I didn't know trolls populated the main page.
 
2013-09-20 11:53:57 PM

noitsnot: SuperNinjaToad: dahmers love zombie: My kid tried something like that, I'd do the same goddamn thing.  I wouldn't have gotten all self-righteous in the description, but you can bet your bottom dollar that behavior like that would get the kid's ticket sold in a New York minute.  She'd also find out that her cell phone didn't work and that her Facebook password had been changed.

And Sprint Family Locator is a great, great tool.  Even if I only ended up ever using it to find lost/stolen phones.  The knowledge that I had it was enough to keep 'em where they were supposed to be.

hate to break it to ya pops but odds are your kid is smarter than you or at least more tech savvy.. probably has duplicate or clone FB accounts only her friends know about and her friends probably extra phone that she'll borrow and clone the SIM card etc,

Yes - thirteen year olds have extra phones and cloned SIM cards.  Seems totally plausible.


Call forwarding + a cheap prepaid phone would be easier and certainly within the abilities of a teenager to figure out. Leave the main phone where you want to appear to be (depending on the accuracy of the tracking software you could even wrap it in a plastic bag and hide it somewhere outside where you're supposed to be), then go about your business.
 
2013-09-21 12:51:06 AM

theknuckler_33: C_Canuk: theknuckler_33: C_Canuk: Is that what you want?

If you don't think a 3 year old can feel humiliated by being yelled at by her parents in front of a group of people, you are an idiot. If you can't handle a 3 years old acting out in public without berating them so everyone around you can hear, the problem is not with a devious 3 year old, it is with a brain dead parent who has no idea how to handle a disruptive toddler.

I've had to gather up my kicking-and-screaming daughter on an occasion or two and get her out of whatever situation it was and none of those times required me to loudly berate her in front of strangers. She got the discipline she needed in private.

And, if you think 'public shaming' is such a good idea, you strike me as the kind of person who thinks certain behavior should kept... you know... in the closet.

I agreed with you, at first, almost entirely except for overt public displays of discipline. You can accomplish EVERYTHING you think is important while being a lot more discreet. And you posted THAT response?  You're a farking idiot.

You call me "a farking idiot" because I don't think what the man supposedly said was all that humiliating compared to what kids do anyway, then in the next paragraph you claim you instead pick them up bodily and carry them out of a public place as if being manhandled and having your will thwarted by someone physically 2-10 times your size isn't a lot more humiliating than being told why they are leaving.

Lol. I get it now. You got me. Well done.

I didn't know trolls populated the main page.


I fail to understand how my position that berating a child in public is less humiliating than the scene created by physically frog marching or actually picking up a child and carrying them out of a location, is trolling.
 
2013-09-21 02:17:47 AM

ds615: You're a child, you have no rights, you deserve no respect.


Good luck raising your kids well with that raging sense of entitlement. They learn by example, you know.

/You...do have kids, I assume. What with the dispensing advice and all.
 
2013-09-21 02:34:27 AM
The only thing I like about this current form of "parenting" is that when all the kids born in the last 10 years start to get old enough to look for jobs they're going to be so god damn incompetent that the rest of us will have some room to grow.
 
2013-09-21 06:32:42 AM
I remember this image causing a lot of outrage a while back.  Seemed perfectly reasonable to me, I'd do the same thing if the kid were being a little turd.

 few  religionnerd.com
 
2013-09-21 08:44:41 AM

Fuggin Bizzy: ds615: You're a child, you have no rights, you deserve no respect.

Good luck raising your kids well with that raging sense of entitlement. They learn by example, you know.

/You...do have kids, I assume. What with the dispensing advice and all.


you are naive. fact is this - respect is EARNED, not GIVEN, and I am certainly not going to give a CHILD respect that has not earned that respect by not acting like a shiat.

Was the parent in the article a little overboard?  maybe, but you can tell just exactly how exasperated that parent is.   Sometimes people need to be told the cold hard truth, even if it seems "mean".

And it rolls back to this - kids, if you want to be treated with respect, don't lie to your parents about what you are doing.  Once you start lying, well, hon, respect is straight out the farking window.
 
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2013-09-21 10:59:26 AM

C_Canuk: bborchar: The parent is just as if not more childish than the daughter in this post.  I'm all for selling the tickets if the child did something wrong- but not blasting them in such a horrible fashion on the internet.  That comes across as petty and stupid.  I watched a father yesterday pull his 3 year old daughter (who wasn't listening to him immediately) and start scolding her in front of the other kids saying "We're never coming back here.  Take a look around you, it's the last time you'll ever see it!  Are you looking!?"  The girl was sobbing hysterically by that point.  Sick a**hole, she's 3.  That's how this parent is coming off, too.  Just sell them and save the sermon for the daughter.

as a father with a 4 year old, I'm gonna assume you don't have kids or they are out of control

1. by the age of 3 they know how to pretend they don't hear you
2. hysterical crying is the only crying a 3 year old does, being told they can't have 3 cookies only 2 will result in hysterical crying
3. going nuclear is sometimes the only way to get through to them that they do have to listen to dad, especially,
4. if some sanctimonious ass is there condemning the parent, even with only facial expressions, it is enough to empower a 3 year old into thinking they have leverage in the situation and will attempt to use #2 to get their way.

parents who establish a high standard for behaviour consistently get children that meet those standards, parents that let their kids get away with being little shiats because they are only 3, 4, 5 or whatever age result in children that cannot function properly in society.

I've done exactly what you described, once, and ever since if he started to get out of control all I have to do is make eye contact with him and in a lowered voice ask him " do you remember last time you tried this" and remarkably he stops acting out. Imagine that.

He is so well behaved generally that we get complements everywhere we go. He's that well behaved because he knows e ...


You got faved for this lucid, reasonable and responsible position.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-09-21 11:03:44 AM

Quaker: noitsnot: SuperNinjaToad: dahmers love zombie: My kid tried something like that, I'd do the same goddamn thing.  I wouldn't have gotten all self-righteous in the description, but you can bet your bottom dollar that behavior like that would get the kid's ticket sold in a New York minute.  She'd also find out that her cell phone didn't work and that her Facebook password had been changed.

And Sprint Family Locator is a great, great tool.  Even if I only ended up ever using it to find lost/stolen phones.  The knowledge that I had it was enough to keep 'em where they were supposed to be.

hate to break it to ya pops but odds are your kid is smarter than you or at least more tech savvy.. probably has duplicate or clone FB accounts only her friends know about and her friends probably extra phone that she'll borrow and clone the SIM card etc,

Yes - thirteen year olds have extra phones and cloned SIM cards.  Seems totally plausible.

Call forwarding + a cheap prepaid phone would be easier and certainly within the abilities of a teenager to figure out. Leave the main phone where you want to appear to be (depending on the accuracy of the tracking software you could even wrap it in a plastic bag and hide it somewhere outside where you're supposed to be), then go about your business.


That would fail upon my telling my daughter "call me back when I hang up".
At least in my case my kid will likely NEVER be smarter than me where systems are concerned. I make my living in I.T. and forensics/security.
/CLID, how does it work?
//also, cfwd leaves a trail in the account, which I would been all over in 3 seconds.
 
2013-09-21 11:18:20 AM

ThatDarkFellow: RY28: This One Direction must be really something cause I keep hearing about it , but I still don't know what it is .

God you're so farking cool.


I hope you are being sarcastic . I just thought I was a square .
 
2013-09-21 11:39:06 AM

frepnog: you are naive.


I guess so. The Internet has spoken.

As adults apparently we deserve respect simply for being old. Meanwhile, kids are supposed to gin up respect out of sheer nothingness, without seeing it demonstrated or anything.

/You...do have kids, I assume. What with the dispensing advice and all.
 
2013-09-21 12:25:03 PM

C_Canuk: parents who establish a high standard for behaviour consistently get children that meet those standards, parents that let their kids get away with being little shiats because they are only 3, 4, 5 or whatever age result in children that cannot function properly in society.

I've done exactly what you described, once, and ever since if he started to get out of control all I have to do is make eye contact with him and in a lowered voice ask him " do you remember last time you tried this" and remarkably he stops acting out. Imagine that.

He is so well behaved generally that we get complements everywhere we go. He's that well behaved because he knows exactly what his limits are and what is expected of him. He knows that crossing us will get a response he does not like.

a 3 year old can be expected to stop and look at a parent when called, can be expected to use please, thank you and not have an explosive melt down when they don't get their way, as long as the parents are consistent and don't waver from their expectations. Assuming there is no other underlying conditions.


i like you.  you parent pretty much like my ex and I parented.  our kids learned very quickly that unacceptable behavior would be corrected swiftly.  It didn't take but a few times before all I or my ex had to do was look at them and whatever they were even THINKING about doing stopped.

Got one in college, one preparing for college, one in private school preparing to prepare for college.  There have been no rebellions, no hard years where they would not listen, no instances of sneaking out or causing problems, no fighting, no calls from teachers about how one of my kids won't behave.  What is there are three intelligent boys that are growing into good men that my ex and I have constantly been told are so well behaved, such good mannered boys, I wish my kids acted like yours, ect.

Parenting - it is NOT being your kid's goddamned friend.
 
2013-09-21 12:28:26 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: frepnog: you are naive.

I guess so. The Internet has spoken.

As adults apparently we deserve respect simply for being old. Meanwhile, kids are supposed to gin up respect out of sheer nothingness, without seeing it demonstrated or anything.

/You...do have kids, I assume. What with the dispensing advice and all.


yep.  see above post.  3 great kids, all well adjusted and intelligent, and not one has ever had to be reprimanded for sneaking out, lying about where they were going, stealing, fighting, acting a fool in school, ect, and all are free to do pretty much what they want because they have built up and earned trust and respect, and have demonstrated that they are not going to act like animalistic fools.

Raise your kids like you are the parent and they are the child, and you get well behaved kids.
 
2013-09-21 04:07:16 PM
This just goes to show you that, much like driving, one should not post on the internet when experiencing strong emotions. I didn't understand half of that. The writer comes off as an illiterate buffoon.
 
2013-09-21 06:32:04 PM

gja: At least in my case my kid will likely NEVER be smarter than me where systems are concerned. I make my living in I.T.


My stepdaughter insisted I knew nothing about computers.  I'm a unix system administrator with decades of experience.  One time she was being exceptionally biatchy at me so I warned her, "stop this attitude or I will disable your internet access."  She was stupid enough to say, "as if you could".  About 10 seconds later she said, "what the f*ck!  MOM!"  No, I didn't let her mother (my wife) talk me into turning her access back on.

For the non-geeks, you can block the internet at the router for specific computers a number of different ways.  It's not hard.
 
2013-09-21 06:37:22 PM

gja: You got faved for this lucid, reasonable and responsible position.


Thanks I appreciate it, and the extra you sent me as well.

Cheers
 
2013-09-21 08:13:30 PM

OgreMagi: She was stupid enough to say, "as if you could".


Ha! That's hilarious.

/Professional programmer since '97.
 
2013-09-22 01:16:38 AM

frenchcheesemuseum: Fuggin Bizzy: frenchcheesemuseum: ThatDarkFellow: frenchcheesemuseum: The only think I think went over the line was the comment about the "fatherless" girls.  The b*tch implied that single mothers are "trollops."

Well f*ck her.

F*ck her in her f*cking f*ckface.

you sound like a trollop

I am the trollopist trollop in all of trollopdom.

I came!

I mean...I laughed. That was funny. Haha!!

/Sorry for creeping you out like that. Accident. Swear.

I am unable to be creeped out.  Trust me.


please don't say things like that.  i'll give you even odds that SOMEONE out there can haul out something that will make the inside of MY brain curdle.  NTTAWWT, but can we NOT try and out-squick each other?  pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze?
 
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