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2013-09-20 08:52:36 AM  
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The thing hurting coal these days isn't regulations on carbon emissions, it's the abundancy of cheap natural gas.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/energysource/2012/05/30/shale-gas-takes- on -coal-to-power-americas-electrical-plants/
2013-09-20 11:13:08 AM  
1 vote:

cman: Coal is terrible for the environment

We really should stop using it.

We have cleaner sources of energy like nuclear that could shut down every coal plant in this country

Its a shame that we can't muster the political will to make the switch



Nuclear is much more expensive than setting rocks on fire (for any number of reasons).  Period.  If those who controlled capital saw huge profits in nuclear, there wouldn't be any "political problem."   Coal is simply cheap to exploit, and as such they expend their political capital on ensuring carbon pollution (which makes coal cheap) goes unregulated as a massive market externality.  It's a basic economic incentive.  The shiatty free market at work.
2013-09-20 10:40:16 AM  
1 vote:

llortcM_yllort: //But this will kill the Democrats in Kentucky and West Virginia


Obama's been playing ball with the coal industry and their attempts at greenwashing since before he was even president, trying to sell lefties on "clean coal" as part of the solution in his first campaign. In return, all he's gotten Big Coal is a lot of heel dragging, and a LOT of attacks on him and his party in the region, up to and including attempts to blame him for the simple economic reality that natural gas is kicking their asses.

If they're going to keep throwing their money into killing Dems there anyways, he has nothing to lose.
2013-09-20 10:23:53 AM  
1 vote:

Cataholic: The economy sucks.  Hey! I've got a great idea.  Let's make electricity more expensive.


You've got a bright future with the democrat party, sir or ma'am.
2013-09-20 10:19:47 AM  
1 vote:
The economy sucks.  Hey! I've got a great idea.  Let's make electricity more expensive.
2013-09-20 10:16:55 AM  
1 vote:
Coal is terrible for the environment

We really should stop using it.

We have cleaner sources of energy like nuclear that could shut down every coal plant in this country

Its a shame that we can't muster the political will to make the switch
2013-09-20 09:12:31 AM  
1 vote:

imontheinternet: Some projections have us becoming a net exporter of energy in the coming years with the shift to natural gas, which will give the economy a shot in the arm while reducing our dependence on the Middle East for energy.


...and raising natural gas prices way back up to where they were before. Awesome.
2013-09-20 09:02:46 AM  
1 vote:

theknuckler_33: The thing hurting coal these days isn't regulations on carbon emissions, it's the abundancy of cheap natural gas.


Even though it's going to kill my home state, I have to admit that the shift to natural gas is inevitable at this point and will likely benefit the country as a whole, not just environmentally but economically as well.  Some projections have us becoming a net exporter of energy in the coming years with the shift to natural gas, which will give the economy a shot in the arm while reducing our dependence on the Middle East for energy.

That said, the transition is going to cost a lot of jobs in communities that really, really need jobs.  Change can be painful.
2013-09-20 08:47:58 AM  
1 vote:
You know, when I was asked earlier about the issue of coal, uh, you know - Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad. Because I'm capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it - whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, uh, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers. - BOB

Thanks, Obama!
 
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