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(Washington Post)   Great Moments in Privatization of Government Functions: contractor who vetted Edward Snowden also ran the background check on the navy yard shooter   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 64
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2013-09-20 12:03:36 PM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Here's how privatization works (example)


You only covered the human resources aspect. You left out the part where the private company needs the equipment to make the service work, so they make that part of the privatization deal and probably get a tax break on top of it. Then the government has to mothball its own equipment and pay to store it.

Meanwhile, the public loses productivity figuring out the new system, which is no better than the one they had before.
 
2013-09-20 12:09:47 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Um, why wouldn't Snowden pass a background check? As far as I know he had zero problems before he took the data and ran.


I think distorted information presented as the "background check solution" for gun violence has led certain people to have unreasonable expectations of what a background check entails.
 
2013-09-20 12:16:44 PM  
www.drawingnow.com

I can has top-secret clearance?
 
2013-09-20 12:46:42 PM  

duenor: like comparing john paul jones to benedict arnold.


Well, considering that Benedict Arnold did basically win the war for the US, that could be a fair comparison

// wins battle, France says, "OK, we'll back you", French fleet and Army basically win the battle of Yorktown, forcing Cornwallis' surrender.
 
2013-09-20 12:54:29 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Um, why wouldn't Snowden pass a background check? As far as I know he had zero problems before he took the data and ran.

I think distorted information presented as the "background check solution" for gun violence has led certain people to have unreasonable expectations of what a background check entails.


But according to the gun control nuts it's the solution to all the mass shootings.  I mean Paulie and Vito who sell guns out of the trunk of a Lincoln behind Gino's pizza will have to run background checks before they sell one of their stolen guns.  It's the law.
 
2013-09-20 01:00:52 PM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Here's how privatization works (example)

100 government workers do their jobs and are paid a reasonable salary with benefits, and pay their taxes

Agency is privatized, on paper saving the government, whatever, a million bucks.

All those people lose their jobs and benefits. They cease paying taxes. They go on welfare and medicare, costing the government 2 million bucks.

Replacement workers (not enough to do the job, say 75) are hired by the private company at minimum wage, no benefits. Guy at the top pays himself $800k. The new workers  pay no taxes, as they don't make enough, and they also rely on government handouts to pay their bills

And the quality of the service declines.

So, one guy gets rich, hundreds go on welfare. Net effect is an increase in expense to the government, with a decrease in quality of service provided.


Please bend at the knees when picking up heavy loads of bullshiat.
 
2013-09-20 01:11:43 PM  
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YOU GET SECRET CLEARANCE! AND YOU GET SECRET CLEARANCE!
 
2013-09-20 02:01:28 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: YOU GET SECRET CLEARANCE! AND YOU GET SECRET CLEARANCE!


If five million people are holding clearances, most of that shiat probably isn't that secret.
 
2013-09-20 02:20:48 PM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Here's how privatization works (example)


It's funny but here's how my privatization experience went...(csb)

I was part of a larger contract that took over a specific area of production from the government.  The shop originally had 20 full time govt employees.  We converted 10 of those over to contractors and hired 4 more from the outside, paying all more than the govt employees were previously making.  Within the first year we had far exceeded previous productivity and quality standards.  This resulted in us significantly cutting back the amount of excess product we had to produce with each batch in order to make up for failures.  This also significantly reduced the number of production reruns that were necessary.  Those two things combined significantly cut back on the amount of supplies we needed to purchase.  All told, within the first year we were running $2million UNDER the previous budgets.  Of course, this could not stand.  The government manager who's budget paid for the program was suddenly facing a $2million surplus.  Facing the possibility of his budget now getting cut by $2million (which of course was no longer needed) he ordered us to over buy on supplies and slow our production processes down.  At the end we had well over a years worth of excess raw inventory on top of what was necessary to actually fulfill existing orders.  Some of the inventory had a shelf life and would expire before we could use all of it, which would of course end up needing to be repurchased.  When our senior management fought back against the obvious waste the govt manager pressured the contract (which was much larger than this project) to fire our senior manager and his staff.  I took the opportunity to move to a different area.  Last I heard the project is still under contract but is now consistently over budget.

Obviously different experiences can happen in different situations but in my 10+ years of working both the govt and contractor side, I can tell you that the single biggest problem is no one in charge tolerates a cut to their budget.  Getting your budget cut, even for good reasons, is seen as a negative a something that can hurt your career...the mindset is that if you don't constantly need more money, you're obviously not doing anything important.
 
2013-09-20 02:42:48 PM  
There are several kinds of "background checks". There are the ones for criminal behavior, bad credit, security lapses, drug problems, etc. Not all of these are done at all levels, not even for government installations.

Also, when "contractors" do the work, the agency itself may be vetted, but it's up to them to screen their employees as in this case.

So just because Alexis was on a government installation doesn't mean he was necessarily held to any higher standard than, say, a bank teller. If the Navy was satisfied with his contracting company and THEIR checkers, that would be enough.
 
2013-09-20 04:25:19 PM  
Maybe, just maybe the contractor did everything they were supposed to do as per the guidelines of the contract.
Don't be so quick to jump on the contractor until the details of the contract and what they were allowed or not allowed to do.
 
2013-09-20 04:28:52 PM  

ForgotMyTowel: Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Here's how privatization works (example)

It's funny but here's how my privatization experience went...(csb)



Obviously different experiences can happen in different situations but in my 10+ years of working both the govt and contractor side, I can tell you that the single biggest problem is no one in charge tolerates a cut to their budget.  Getting your budget cut, even for good reasons, is seen as a negative a something that can hurt your career...the mindset is that if you don't constantly need more money, you're obviously not doing anything important.

This is 100% true.
There is a systemic problem with government agencies where saving money and reducing one's budget while maintaining the same level of service is not only never encouraged but also never tolerated.
 
2013-09-20 05:30:42 PM  

Evil Twin Skippy: That sounds shocking and all, but there are only a handful of companies that do background checks. That's like saying every fat person has eaten at a McDonalds.


The FBI did my brackground check. They may have issues, but they were pretty thorough. I got calls from people I didn't list, "So, the FBI called here asking about you. What's happening?"
 
2013-09-20 11:09:39 PM  

Bonzo_1116: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: YOU GET SECRET CLEARANCE! AND YOU GET SECRET CLEARANCE!

If five million people are holding clearances, most of that shiat probably isn't that secret.


Just because you're cleared doesn't mean you automatically get access to all of the information.

Unless you're the sysadmin, and then you can socially engineer your way into accounts belonging to people with higher access levels.
 
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