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(Lansing City Pulse)   Seven-month-old child taken away from parents because they: A) run a meth lab, B) are members of violent drug gang, or C) have legal medical marijuana presciption   (lansingcitypulse.com) divider line 80
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2013-09-19 11:34:31 PM
"It's reasonable to assume marijuana is being grown in the home with children being present," Porter said during Friday's hearing. "That is dangerous for children to be involved with that situation. We have homes in this community robbed at gunpoint by individuals who know children are living in the home

You know who else has lots of valuable stuff in their houses?
 
2013-09-19 11:41:54 PM
Seven-month-old child taken away from parents because they A) turned out to be terrorists B) turned out to be serial killers or C) Being the guy that throws the switch on the electric guy that just runs around town telling everybody how much he loves seeing people suffer and he's so happy at his job and he can't wait to fry the next one.

I mean...he has a legal job and free speech and all.
 
2013-09-19 11:43:36 PM
second guy = chair

me = idiot
 
2013-09-20 12:21:48 AM
How come the irrational people are the ones NOT on drugs?

/supposedly
 
2013-09-20 12:23:13 AM
If only they had a prescription.
 
2013-09-20 01:54:21 AM

ArcadianRefugee: If only they had a prescription.


Exactly.  Caring for your kids while popping oxycontin and possessing a bottle with about $1,000 street value worth of drugs, no problem, but how dare you use a non-narcotic plant in the presence of children, don't you know that couple hundred worth of unprocessed plants are going to bring every gang in town to your door?
 
2013-09-20 05:18:21 AM
So if someone else might do something illegal like a home invasion because of your legal activity you get your kids taken away? Are we at a point where we punish people for the potential actions of others? How is this person even a  judge?
 
2013-09-20 05:19:43 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: How come the irrational people are the ones NOT on drugs?

/supposedly


I warned you ALL when they were lying about anti-smoking. Did anyone listen? No. We're repeating Prohibition. Same useless sacks of shiat trying to ruin EVERYBODY'S fun fueling a large increase in power to organized crime and pretty soon there's gonna be a breaking point where we just turn on these assclowns and dried up old coonts and tell the to fark the fark off or they win and the nation collapses into dictatorship like Russia keeps trying to return to.
 
2013-09-20 05:23:57 AM
everyonesanidiot.files.wordpress.com

Why headline go dis way, reality go dat way?
 
2013-09-20 06:24:44 AM
Appropriately named - "The Greens".

I wonder if they know this dude

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2013-09-20 06:25:59 AM
It's pretty amazing how these two people, crippled with pain and/or glaucoma and/or cancer, have found each other in this wide world of ours.

It's sad that the child has to be away from its parents during this trying time, but hopefully the parents will be reunited with it. These two young people, afflicted with whatever unbearable disease that qualifies them for a prescription for medical marijuana, and their little 7 month old baby don't deserve this kind of treatment.
 
2013-09-20 06:27:17 AM
Headline is accurate, however incomplete on the details. These people appear to be screwups and the kiddos would probably be better off elsewhere.

Don't like it?
 
2013-09-20 06:33:48 AM
Harsh.
 
2013-09-20 06:36:47 AM
Pretty sure they have multiple sclerosis and super-nuclear epilepsy. Not that I RTFA, but my GF and I were talking about something strikingly similar to this over dinner the other night.

And, since I'm a legal caregiver and I was just charged with 4 felonies(manufacturing with intent) and 4 high court misdemeanors(maintaining a drug house) while not being over on plant count, weight, etc. I'm getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2013-09-20 06:42:38 AM
Which, by the way, all I have to say is "farking duh" to both of those charges.. well, all 8. That's my JOB, you numbskulls. YES, I manufacture medicinal marijuana with the intent to deliver it, and yes I have legal patients come and get it when I can't leave. Meanwhile, they seized all of my plants, lights, cash, phone, legally purchased and registered handgun that was stored unloaded with no magazine and the bullets stored away from it...

Please, though, go on using the taxpayers money to prosecute me. It's a valuable use of your time, even though there are heroin dealers not 2 miles away from me, meth chefs 3 miles in the other direction, and it took the feds to nail the largest meth bust in the states history (23 pounds.. yes, pounds) a quarter mile from my house.

Meanwhile after being fired from my job and beginning to do this full time I denied myself unemployment because I considered myself employed. I spent last weekend volunteering at a soup kitchen feeding the homeless because I used to be a chef, and I felt it would be a good change of pace to use some of my culinary talents brightening someones day that would actually appreciate it.
 
2013-09-20 06:43:50 AM
I love it. A trillion dollars spent, prisons overflowing, drug use isn't down, crime is being created, gangsters and terrorists are being funded, people's civil liberties are assaulted daily, and we still think prohibition is a good idea.
 
2013-09-20 06:44:40 AM
Why do you think they call it dope?
 
2013-09-20 06:47:46 AM

Witty Comment: Which, by the way, all I have to say is "farking duh" to both of those charges.. well, all 8. That's my JOB, you numbskulls. YES, I manufacture medicinal marijuana with the intent to deliver it, and yes I have legal patients come and get it when I can't leave. Meanwhile, they seized all of my plants, lights, cash, phone, legally purchased and registered handgun that was stored unloaded with no magazine and the bullets stored away from it...

Please, though, go on using the taxpayers money to prosecute me. It's a valuable use of your time, even though there are heroin dealers not 2 miles away from me, meth chefs 3 miles in the other direction, and it took the feds to nail the largest meth bust in the states history (23 pounds.. yes, pounds) a quarter mile from my house.

Meanwhile after being fired from my job and beginning to do this full time I denied myself unemployment because I considered myself employed. I spent last weekend volunteering at a soup kitchen feeding the homeless because I used to be a chef, and I felt it would be a good change of pace to use some of my culinary talents brightening someones day that would actually appreciate it.


We just need to end prohibition. Legalizing marijuana is a step, but eventually we need to end it all.
 
2013-09-20 06:50:00 AM

Nofun: Witty Comment: Which, by the way, all I have to say is "farking duh" to both of those charges.. well, all 8. That's my JOB, you numbskulls. YES, I manufacture medicinal marijuana with the intent to deliver it, and yes I have legal patients come and get it when I can't leave. Meanwhile, they seized all of my plants, lights, cash, phone, legally purchased and registered handgun that was stored unloaded with no magazine and the bullets stored away from it...

Please, though, go on using the taxpayers money to prosecute me. It's a valuable use of your time, even though there are heroin dealers not 2 miles away from me, meth chefs 3 miles in the other direction, and it took the feds to nail the largest meth bust in the states history (23 pounds.. yes, pounds) a quarter mile from my house.

Meanwhile after being fired from my job and beginning to do this full time I denied myself unemployment because I considered myself employed. I spent last weekend volunteering at a soup kitchen feeding the homeless because I used to be a chef, and I felt it would be a good change of pace to use some of my culinary talents brightening someones day that would actually appreciate it.

We just need to end prohibition. Legalizing marijuana is a step, but eventually we need to end it all.


Most medical marijuana growers disagree and believe that strong regulation of the plant is necessary and the availability should be through dispensaries rather than widely available in stores, actually.
 
2013-09-20 06:52:35 AM
They don't strike me as perants of the year, but they let a lot worse keep their kids.

Have a independent doctor confirm their illnesses and give them back their kids.
 
2013-09-20 06:53:58 AM

sammyk: So if someone else might do something illegal like a home invasion because of your legal activity you get your kids taken away? Are we at a point where we punish people for the potential actions of others? How is this person even a  judge?


The answer this question is yes.

There is really no difference in kids who's mother's use drugs while pregnant versus those who weren't exposed at all. The thing that makes the biggest difference is poverty.

Hospitals and doctors are using myth, not science, in claiming that children are "born addicted" and will be more likely to use drugs later in life when this has been shown not to be true.

Yet and still, hospitals will report mothers to social services and have their children taken away if they test positive for weed or narcotics claiming child abuse statutes.

They're basing all this on something that "might happen" or punishing mothers for "making their baby go through withdrawal symptoms" that may or not be real or usually don't get diagnosed until after the mother has had a toxicology report - then suddenly it's - this baby is exhibiting symptoms of withdrawal - even if they weren't before the tox screen.

I'm just saying....we really need to rethink what we're doing and whether what we're doing is based on fact or myth.
 
2013-09-20 06:54:19 AM
Lets face it, medical marijuana has pretty much turned into a licence to get stoned. Yes, there are some medial conditions that legitimately benefit from its use, but these days you can go into the right doctors office and get a prescription for pretty much any condition, including minor aches, pain and headaches. Who doesn't get the occasional headache? Hell I'm 50 years old, every morning when I wake up something hurts, I guess I should get a prescription too.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for making the shiat legal, but lets not kid ourselves about medical marijuana being anything more than a loophole in the system.
 
2013-09-20 06:56:53 AM

Nofun: Witty Comment: Which, by the way, all I have to say is "farking duh" to both of those charges.. well, all 8. That's my JOB, you numbskulls. YES, I manufacture medicinal marijuana with the intent to deliver it, and yes I have legal patients come and get it when I can't leave. Meanwhile, they seized all of my plants, lights, cash, phone, legally purchased and registered handgun that was stored unloaded with no magazine and the bullets stored away from it...

Please, though, go on using the taxpayers money to prosecute me. It's a valuable use of your time, even though there are heroin dealers not 2 miles away from me, meth chefs 3 miles in the other direction, and it took the feds to nail the largest meth bust in the states history (23 pounds.. yes, pounds) a quarter mile from my house.

Meanwhile after being fired from my job and beginning to do this full time I denied myself unemployment because I considered myself employed. I spent last weekend volunteering at a soup kitchen feeding the homeless because I used to be a chef, and I felt it would be a good change of pace to use some of my culinary talents brightening someones day that would actually appreciate it.

We just need to end prohibition. Legalizing marijuana is a step, but eventually we need to end it all.


I would have to respectfully disagree with you there. Things like PCP should never, ever be legal. Should we reevaluate the current system in place regarding punitive measures? Absolutely. It's pretty simple that "drugs will ruin your life, so we're going to throw you in jail/prison and ruin your life" doesn't work. Should marijuana be legalized for recreational purposes? Yes, even though I see it as having many more benefits as a holistic medication over a recreational drug. There are far too many recreational users who use it irresponsibly and effectively turn into sacks of lazy uppity douche that don't understand that the reason they can't remember where they put their keys, or can't perform at work as well as they should be able to, is because they won't put the joint down and use it responsibly in a recreational way.

Personally, I would prefer a system in place where the recreational sale and use is allowed and all of that, but in a regulated fashion that is available for the government to draw a taxable revenue from on a consistent basis. I think Uncle Sam would be surprised at how many of us would like nothing more than that, and to be left the hell alone.
 
2013-09-20 06:58:47 AM

Nofun: I love it. A trillion dollars spent, prisons overflowing, drug use isn't down, crime is being created, gangsters and terrorists are being funded, people's civil liberties are assaulted daily, and we still think prohibition is a good idea.


For the people running privately operated, for-profit prisons it is the best idea we have ever come up with. Not to mention the law enforcement agencies adding legally stolen confiscated property and cash to their budgets and the otherwise useless DEA. Which is why it will continue far into the future.
 
2013-09-20 07:01:57 AM
Washington State.

FTW!
 
2013-09-20 07:06:00 AM
Good. Kids are always much better off going through the foster system.

Damned devil weed.
 
2013-09-20 07:06:45 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Nofun: Witty Comment: Which, by the way, all I have to say is "farking duh" to both of those charges.. well, all 8. That's my JOB, you numbskulls. YES, I manufacture medicinal marijuana with the intent to deliver it, and yes I have legal patients come and get it when I can't leave. Meanwhile, they seized all of my plants, lights, cash, phone, legally purchased and registered handgun that was stored unloaded with no magazine and the bullets stored away from it...

Please, though, go on using the taxpayers money to prosecute me. It's a valuable use of your time, even though there are heroin dealers not 2 miles away from me, meth chefs 3 miles in the other direction, and it took the feds to nail the largest meth bust in the states history (23 pounds.. yes, pounds) a quarter mile from my house.

Meanwhile after being fired from my job and beginning to do this full time I denied myself unemployment because I considered myself employed. I spent last weekend volunteering at a soup kitchen feeding the homeless because I used to be a chef, and I felt it would be a good change of pace to use some of my culinary talents brightening someones day that would actually appreciate it.

We just need to end prohibition. Legalizing marijuana is a step, but eventually we need to end it all.

Most medical marijuana growers disagree and believe that strong regulation of the plant is necessary and the availability should be through dispensaries rather than widely available in stores, actually.


That's a good point. Most people think ending prohibition means no regulation. On the contrary, when alcohol prohibition ended, the federal government told the states: regulate it however you want. We still have have dry counties.

You can't sell beer or liquor without a license. Some medications do not need a prescription, but are sold behind the pharmacy counter. The point is those substances are legalized, and we can set rules and regulations for their distribution, sale, and purity of product. When we prohibit a substance entirely, we don't control anything about it: it is sold on street corners to anyone, and who knows what you're buying.
 
2013-09-20 07:11:27 AM

ReapTheChaos: Lets face it, medical marijuana has pretty much turned into a licence to get stoned. Yes, there are some medial conditions that legitimately benefit from its use, but these days you can go into the right doctors office and get a prescription for pretty much any condition, including minor aches, pain and headaches. Who doesn't get the occasional headache? Hell I'm 50 years old, every morning when I wake up something hurts, I guess I should get a prescription too.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for making the shiat legal, but lets not kid ourselves about medical marijuana being anything more than a loophole in the system.


Medical marijuana turns doctors into liars.

I am 100% for the legalization of marijuana. I'm wondering what's taking WA state so long to figure out the logistics, but happy that anyone who wants to get stoned will have that alternative.

But medical marijuana has always been a bullshiat option because it doesn't attack the problem of prohibition but rather tries to set up sneaky shortcuts around the law. The only possible benefit from medical marijuana is the impetus to study the efficacy of various strains of the plant and create new strains that can target specific ailments (glaucoma, pain, etc) without the unnecessary side effect of intoxication.
 
2013-09-20 07:12:56 AM

ReapTheChaos: Lets face it, medical marijuana has pretty much turned into a licence to get stoned. Yes, there are some medial conditions that legitimately benefit from its use, but these days you can go into the right doctors office and get a prescription for pretty much any condition, including minor aches, pain and headaches. Who doesn't get the occasional headache? Hell I'm 50 years old, every morning when I wake up something hurts, I guess I should get a prescription too.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for making the shiat legal, but lets not kid ourselves about medical marijuana being anything more than a loophole in the system.


Yep, it's a loophole.  It lets people who need it get it.  Who cares if people who don't need it get it?  You sound concerned.
 
2013-09-20 07:13:38 AM
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2013-09-20 07:15:00 AM
Needs the scary tag.
 
2013-09-20 07:15:07 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Nofun: Witty Comment: Which, by the way, all I have to say is "farking duh" to both of those charges.. well, all 8. That's my JOB, you numbskulls. YES, I manufacture medicinal marijuana with the intent to deliver it, and yes I have legal patients come and get it when I can't leave. Meanwhile, they seized all of my plants, lights, cash, phone, legally purchased and registered handgun that was stored unloaded with no magazine and the bullets stored away from it...

Please, though, go on using the taxpayers money to prosecute me. It's a valuable use of your time, even though there are heroin dealers not 2 miles away from me, meth chefs 3 miles in the other direction, and it took the feds to nail the largest meth bust in the states history (23 pounds.. yes, pounds) a quarter mile from my house.

Meanwhile after being fired from my job and beginning to do this full time I denied myself unemployment because I considered myself employed. I spent last weekend volunteering at a soup kitchen feeding the homeless because I used to be a chef, and I felt it would be a good change of pace to use some of my culinary talents brightening someones day that would actually appreciate it.

We just need to end prohibition. Legalizing marijuana is a step, but eventually we need to end it all.

Most medical marijuana growers disagree and believe that strong regulation of the plant is necessary and the availability should be through dispensaries rather than widely available in stores, actually.


you know what is more dangerous and unregulated and grows wild down here in florida (also a plant)?

Castor Beans.... from which you get Ricin (a deadly poison there is no cure for), yet we treat a plant as harmless as marijuana like it was worse than heroin... if that's not cognative dissonance, I don't know what is.
 
2013-09-20 07:15:29 AM

Witty Comment: Which, by the way, all I have to say is "farking duh" to both of those charges.. well, all 8. That's my JOB, you numbskulls. YES, I manufacture medicinal marijuana with the intent to deliver it, and yes I have legal patients come and get it when I can't leave. Meanwhile, they seized all of my plants, lights, cash, phone, legally purchased and registered handgun that was stored unloaded with no magazine and the bullets stored away from it...

Please, though, go on using the taxpayers money to prosecute me. It's a valuable use of your time, even though there are heroin dealers not 2 miles away from me, meth chefs 3 miles in the other direction, and it took the feds to nail the largest meth bust in the states history (23 pounds.. yes, pounds) a quarter mile from my house.

Meanwhile after being fired from my job and beginning to do this full time I denied myself unemployment because I considered myself employed. I spent last weekend volunteering at a soup kitchen feeding the homeless because I used to be a chef, and I felt it would be a good change of pace to use some of my culinary talents brightening someones day that would actually appreciate it.


sorry to read this. i hope a lawyer will lend their skill to your case pro bono and all goes well for you. best of luck, hang in there.
 
2013-09-20 07:16:49 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Nofun: Witty Comment: Which, by the way, all I have to say is "farking duh" to both of those charges.. well, all 8. That's my JOB, you numbskulls. YES, I manufacture medicinal marijuana with the intent to deliver it, and yes I have legal patients come and get it when I can't leave. Meanwhile, they seized all of my plants, lights, cash, phone, legally purchased and registered handgun that was stored unloaded with no magazine and the bullets stored away from it...

Please, though, go on using the taxpayers money to prosecute me. It's a valuable use of your time, even though there are heroin dealers not 2 miles away from me, meth chefs 3 miles in the other direction, and it took the feds to nail the largest meth bust in the states history (23 pounds.. yes, pounds) a quarter mile from my house.

Meanwhile after being fired from my job and beginning to do this full time I denied myself unemployment because I considered myself employed. I spent last weekend volunteering at a soup kitchen feeding the homeless because I used to be a chef, and I felt it would be a good change of pace to use some of my culinary talents brightening someones day that would actually appreciate it.

We just need to end prohibition. Legalizing marijuana is a step, but eventually we need to end it all.

Most medical marijuana growers disagree and believe that strong regulation of the plant is necessary and the availability should be through dispensaries rather than widely available in stores, actually.


Most medical marijuana growers are making a financial mint from being essentially within the "racket bubble". No offense to med patients at all (I support legalization, and I believe cannabis has proven medical benefits for many people), but this is the same as illegal dealers voting against drug reform laws because they are basically guaranteed a job and livelihood via prohibition.

You know it's true, please don't deny it, anyone who knows anything about how this culture actually shakes out knows it. When medical patients try to deny other adults from using cannabis within a legal and regulated framework (less prohibitive than alcohol, but nearby, ideally) I find it supremely hypocritical and "not cool, man". We stood up (and stand up) for med patients all the time, the least they could do is pass the blunt instead of bogarting it. It's also very unflattering to a supposed "medical" cause when the financial aspect is brought up so obviously, as it is when patients vote for prohibition for their countrymen. The whole "I got mine, so screw you" ethos doesn't really resonate with the cannabis community.
 
2013-09-20 07:18:40 AM

phrawgh: Why do you think they call it dope?


nighttime, shooting star, the sun started to rain
trees lost branches, gurus' trances, black-brassiered dancers
little dears
showdown's coming, it's no joke, mouth is runnings, it's a stroke
that's what I think when I'm so farked up I can't even find the door
why do you think they call it dope?
why do you think they call it dope?
when your heart beats fast, you're so broke, in your car with the red
lights flashing
look sincere, smell like beer, roach in the ashtray
going to the pokey
thirty days later, ten bucks left, hands are shaking
looking for a dime bag
why do you think they call it dope?
why do you think they call it dope?
dirty little dopers on dope so bad
dirty little dopers on dope so bad
when two and two turn into five you'll probably see it my way
when bad is good, like it should, things turn upside down
some people say it's hip to say no, my town it's green light go!
for party rockin' angels now it's trigger happy
slang-bang-pow
why do you think they call it dope?
why do you think they call it dope?
why do you think they call it dope?
why do you think they call it dope?
 
2013-09-20 07:22:41 AM
I had an infuriating argument on facebook with some chick who said she was against legalization because "we dont need more people driving aroud stoned or interacting with me when theyre high". Nevermind the statistics, nevermind the money wasted, ignore the fact that people already smoke if they want to. This is whats helping the gangs and prisons who reap profit, the regular citizen who puts their hands on their ears and screams "lalala pot bad cant hear you!"
 
2013-09-20 07:23:35 AM

wyltoknow: I had an infuriating argument on facebook with some chick who said she was against legalization because "we dont need more people driving aroud stoned or interacting with me when theyre high". Nevermind the statistics, nevermind the money wasted, ignore the fact that people already smoke if they want to. This is whats helping the gangs and prisons who reap profit, the regular citizen who puts their hands on their ears and screams "lalala pot bad cant hear you!"


MADD protester-in-training, that one.
 
2013-09-20 07:30:55 AM

ReapTheChaos: Lets face it, medical marijuana has pretty much turned into a licence to get stoned. Yes, there are some medial conditions that legitimately benefit from its use, but these days you can go into the right doctors office and get a prescription for pretty much any condition, including minor aches, pain and headaches. Who doesn't get the occasional headache? Hell I'm 50 years old, every morning when I wake up something hurts, I guess I should get a prescription too.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for making the shiat legal, but lets not kid ourselves about medical marijuana being anything more than a loophole in the system.


For some people, for others it is very helpful, but really who cares? It's safer than alcohol and it's primary purpose is to get a buzz. Also, people tend to discount feeling good as having no value, which is absurd. Feeling good is perhaps the most valuable thing there is, and it's demonized. There's a million and one things that will make you feel like shiat and are horrible for you, perfectly legal. Something that feels good, harms no one else, and is perfectly safe... eviiiillll.
 
2013-09-20 07:33:52 AM

TuteTibiImperes: ArcadianRefugee: If only they had a prescription.

Exactly.  Caring for your kids while popping oxycontin and possessing a bottle with about $1,000 street value worth of drugs, no problem, but how dare you use a non-narcotic plant in the presence of children, don't you know that couple hundred worth of unprocessed plants are going to bring every gang in town to your door?


Non narcotic?

You think pot can't make you sleepy?
 
2013-09-20 07:33:59 AM
The infant is at greater risk in the state foster care system than at home with their pot smoking parents.
 
2013-09-20 07:36:37 AM
I'm not commenting on who may be right or wrong in the story.

But subby is an idiot.
Everyone saying that they have a prescription for medical marijuana is an idiot.

No one has a prescription for medical marijuana, at least not in this country.  They have "recommendations".  No Dr. can prescribe it.
 
2013-09-20 07:40:28 AM

Hermione_Granger: sammyk: So if someone else might do something illegal like a home invasion because of your legal activity you get your kids taken away? Are we at a point where we punish people for the potential actions of others? How is this person even a  judge?

The answer this question is yes.

There is really no difference in kids who's mother's use drugs while pregnant versus those who weren't exposed at all. The thing that makes the biggest difference is poverty.


I'mma stop you right there.  There are instances where children come out of the womb pre-addicted to crack, heroin, or (rarely, because they usually miscarry first) meth.  This is a real thing, it really happens, and the effects it has on those babies are real and traceable.  This is not something which is debated by anyone save for the wingiest of wingnuts.

Now as for the effects on those children who gestated in a womb flooded with drugs: Higher incidence of drug use?  No, not directly.  Higher incidence of developmental disabilities and stunted organ development?  You betcha.  It's the last one that gets kids taken away from their parents.  Even if mommy wasn't smacking herself in the tummy with a baseball bat every night so the kid's brains came out scrambled, loading up an 8-ball a few times a day amounts to the same thing: permanent injury to the child.  The law makes no distinctions when it comes to methodology: child abuse is child abuse.  If mommy can't keep off the drugs, mommy's probably not a very good mommy now is she?
 
2013-09-20 07:43:00 AM

jshine: TuteTibiImperes: ArcadianRefugee: If only they had a prescription.

Exactly.  Caring for your kids while popping oxycontin and possessing a bottle with about $1,000 street value worth of drugs, no problem, but how dare you use a non-narcotic plant in the presence of children, don't you know that couple hundred worth of unprocessed plants are going to bring every gang in town to your door?

Non narcotic?

You think pot can't make you sleepy?


I thought it was an anti-soporific?
 
2013-09-20 07:43:04 AM

ReapTheChaos: Lets face it, medical marijuana has pretty much turned into a licence to get stoned. Yes, there are some medial conditions that legitimately benefit from its use, but these days you can go into the right doctors office and get a prescription for pretty much any condition, including minor aches, pain and headaches. Who doesn't get the occasional headache? Hell I'm 50 years old, every morning when I wake up something hurts, I guess I should get a prescription too.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for making the shiat legal, but lets not kid ourselves about medical marijuana being anything more than a loophole in the system.


And that matters because...
 
2013-09-20 07:45:18 AM

GDubDub: I'm not commenting on who may be right or wrong in the story.

But subby is an idiot.
Everyone saying that they have a prescription for medical marijuana is an idiot.

No one has a prescription for medical marijuana, at least not in this country.  They have "recommendations".  No Dr. can prescribe it.


No, I'm pretty sure that its been written down many times.
 
2013-09-20 07:46:39 AM

GDubDub: I'm not commenting on who may be right or wrong in the story.

But subby is an idiot.
Everyone saying that they have a prescription for medical marijuana is an idiot.

No one has a prescription for medical marijuana, at least not in this country.  They have "recommendations".  No Dr. can prescribe it.


Uh... no, no actually you're quite wrong there.  In order to use marijuana to treat an ailment you have to get a doctor's authorization to use marijuana.  In medical terminology, an authorization by a doctor to use a substance to treat an ailment is called a "prescription", as noted in the dictionary definition of prescription, "an instruction written by a medical practitioner that authorizes a patient to be provided a medicine or treatment."

So as it turns out there's an idiot here, but it's not subby.
 
2013-09-20 07:52:14 AM

wyltoknow: I had an infuriating argument on facebook with some chick who said she was against legalization because "we dont need more people driving aroud stoned or interacting with me when theyre high". Nevermind the statistics, nevermind the money wasted, ignore the fact that people already smoke if they want to. This is whats helping the gangs and prisons who reap profit, the regular citizen who puts their hands on their ears and screams "lalala pot bad cant hear you!"


The argument to driving with weed and driving is no different than alcohol. People are worried about not having the equivalent of a breathalyzer, but they still pull people over that are driving erratically.

Furthermore, most people currently make an effort to be responsible and not drive while drunk, which means those same people are unlikely to drive stoned. Conversely, people that drive drunk now, probably will drive stoned, hell they are probably driving stoned right now; the point is the perceived threat is no greater than the current one.
 
2013-09-20 08:10:41 AM

big pig peaches: They don't strike me as perants of the year, but they let a lot worse keep their kids.

Have a independent doctor confirm their illnesses and give them back their kids.


They both have criminal histories apart from the drug charges, and the drug charges include a felony conviction for growing explicitly unlicensed plants.  On top of that, they're keeping plants in their home rather than a registered dispensiary, and the context makes it pretty damned clear they're dealers of the non-legal variety.  I'd lay even money that the CPS agents caught them smoking around the kid, too (THC actually  is developmentally harmful to prepubescents even though it doesn't do much to adults, so that's outright child abuse).

Even if the illnesses and the prescriptions are legit, that's plenty of strikes to take the kid away pending a final ruling of the family court.

dfenstrate: The infant is at greater risk in the state foster care system than at home with their pot smoking parents.


Eh, the worry with foster parents is that they're possibly douchebags.  The worry with the current parents is that they're members of organized crime.  I mean, it's made pretty clear even in TFA that that was the primary concern of law enforcement here.
 
2013-09-20 08:21:15 AM

yukichigai: GDubDub: I'm not commenting on who may be right or wrong in the story.

But subby is an idiot.
Everyone saying that they have a prescription for medical marijuana is an idiot.

No one has a prescription for medical marijuana, at least not in this country.  They have "recommendations".  No Dr. can prescribe it.

Uh... no, no actually you're quite wrong there.  In order to use marijuana to treat an ailment you have to get a doctor's authorization to use marijuana.  In medical terminology, an authorization by a doctor to use a substance to treat an ailment is called a "prescription", as noted in the dictionary definition of prescription, "an instruction written by a medical practitioner that authorizes a patient to be provided a medicine or treatment."

So as it turns out there's an idiot here, but it's not subby.


I get what you're saying, but in my state, it is NOT considered a prescription. We have laws protecting employees from getting fired for script use, and our courts have said that MMJ use is not protected, as it is not a prescription.

Yes, it's bullshiat, but that's the current status.
 
2013-09-20 08:28:08 AM

lewismarktwo: Who cares if people who don't need it get it?


Yeah, because fark freedom.
 
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