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(Huffington Post)   How bad is our perception of time? Very = 6 X ∑ ± √ 6 (8 X 6) / 4   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 40
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2013-09-19 05:38:52 PM  
People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff.
 
2013-09-19 05:44:32 PM  
From TFA, the people were told right before the experiment started that they would be asked to estimate how long it lasted.  And they weren't doing anything to distract them.

I'd be in the 17% who were +/- couple percent.  If you've had a good musical education, counting out seconds for a few minutes should be a snap.
 
2013-09-19 05:58:14 PM  
It may not be your typical Anthrax album, but it's not THAT bad, subby.
 
2013-09-19 06:15:05 PM  
Well obviously... It's explained very clearly here.
 
2013-09-19 06:40:41 PM  
I was told there would be no time travel.
 
2013-09-19 06:46:49 PM  

FrancoFile: From TFA, the people were told right before the experiment started that they would be asked to estimate how long it lasted.  And they weren't doing anything to distract them.

I'd be in the 17% who were +/- couple percent.  If you've had a good musical education, counting out seconds for a few minutes should be a snap.


Anybody who has a decent grasp of their sitting/resting pulse shouldn't have too much trouble either.  Add in some distractions, and I'll believe it.  Until then, I'm going to assume 83% are just stupid and/or can't count.
 
2013-09-19 07:08:20 PM  
I use my eyes to determine the passage of time while staring at a farking watch, tvm!

This study sucks.
 
2013-09-19 07:09:46 PM  
So, Subby, you go out of your way to use ANSI codes for ∑ and ±, but used "X" instead of the multiplication symbol "×" (or "·")? Not even a lower-case "x"!?
 
2013-09-19 07:12:10 PM  
DNRTFA, but I can only assume that my wife tried to use that equation, but liked ScheduledTime+45min=GoodEnough.
 
2013-09-19 07:19:07 PM  
Last night, even though 8pm lasted only an hour, it was the longest hour ever.
 
2013-09-19 07:23:09 PM  
The speed at which time passes is relative.
 
2013-09-19 07:23:38 PM  
Sitting there doing nothing for 2m50s? That would seem like half an hour to me.
 
2013-09-19 07:38:07 PM  
....Irrational?
 
2013-09-19 07:40:10 PM  
Ah yes, we are all terrible at telling time because out of a sample of only 53 people...about 9 got close to the correct time. Great reporting there....
 
2013-09-19 07:48:37 PM  

Paris1127: Well obviously... It's explained very clearly here.


I'm pretty sure that's too much time, not the regular kind.
 
2013-09-19 07:56:56 PM  
I thought time was transcendentally ideal and, as a condition but not object of experience, not a product of the noumenal world.
 
2013-09-19 07:58:43 PM  
You're saying that a tool developed to map portions of past future experience into ideal sets of future actions using the processing power and memory of biology's version of ENIAC drops the occasional detail and makes engineering approximations regarding increments of time with no real relevance to our evolutionary activities?

You don't say.

Next you'll be telling me that most people will have trouble telling you which way is north if there are no familiar landmarks and it's cloudy out.  Quelle surprise.
 
2013-09-19 08:01:19 PM  

COMALite J: So, Subby, you go out of your way to use ANSI codes for ∑ and ±, but used "X" instead of the multiplication symbol "×" (or "·")? Not even a lower-case "x"!?


My advisor used to get on my ass constantly about that.  You crazy youngsters realize that that wasn't even part of the standard character set the standard Word/Wordperfect/etc suites used until like 2007, right?  In my day we used * or one of the horrible editor codes, in six feet of driving snow, uphill both ways.
 
2013-09-19 08:04:52 PM  

Jim_Callahan: COMALite J: So, Subby, you go out of your way to use ANSI codes for ∑ and ±, but used "X" instead of the multiplication symbol "×" (or "·")? Not even a lower-case "x"!?

My advisor used to get on my ass constantly about that.  You crazy youngsters realize that that wasn't even part of the standard character set the standard Word/Wordperfect/etc suites used until like 2007, right?  In my day we used * or one of the horrible editor codes, in six feet of driving snow, uphill both ways.


MathType has been available since 1987.
 
2013-09-19 08:29:57 PM  
Seeing as the idea of time is a man made construct, I say fk it. I'll get there when I get there
 
2013-09-19 08:33:06 PM  
Did the answer the important question, though?  Is it a predator that stalks us all our lives or a companion that goes with us on the journey?
 
2013-09-19 08:39:20 PM  
I don't think fifty three people is a particularly amazing sample size. I mean, yes, the result is obvious. People suck at keeping track of time. The percentage of people who can keep track of time reasonably well...not so obvious.
 
2013-09-19 08:40:13 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Jim_Callahan: COMALite J: So, Subby, you go out of your way to use ANSI codes for ∑ and ±, but used "X" instead of the multiplication symbol "×" (or "·")? Not even a lower-case "x"!?

My advisor used to get on my ass constantly about that.  You crazy youngsters realize that that wasn't even part of the standard character set the standard Word/Wordperfect/etc suites used until like 2007, right?  In my day we used * or one of the horrible editor codes, in six feet of driving snow, uphill both ways.

MathType has been available since 1987.


I did my master's thesis in LaTeX in 1989

/fark me if I'm going to remember all the subscripts and greek characters in that.
 
2013-09-19 08:44:38 PM  
That experiment in the article was farking retarded.  They did one iteration and the choices weren't even the same (some are ranges, some were exact time, wtf?).  They should also have done short times, medium times, and long times.  It's possible our time sense it better over long times.  I can usually tell within about 15 minutes what time it is, but I doubt I'd do very well figuring out to the second even for short times.  They also should have done repeated trials to see if some people were actually better at it, or if just randomly 17% guessed correctly.  They also shouldn't have counted slightly-wrong the same as really really wrong.  All in all, why did they waste their time if they weren't going to do it right?
 
2013-09-19 08:46:20 PM  

Paris1127: Well obviously... It's explained very clearly here.


When Do Teenagers Die?
Adults Eat Teenagers Alive,
No Record Of Their Death.
 
2013-09-19 08:53:36 PM  

Paris1127: Well obviously... It's explained very clearly here.


I'm absolutely impressed.  I have scoured every corner of Al Gores Internets.  I have never seen it go from sane to full retard in the very first sentence.  You Paris 1127 are the winner.
 
2013-09-19 08:54:52 PM  
Perhaps I'm just not good at math, but isn't the result of the expression in Subby's headline 0? I'm reading it as 6 times the sum of positive/negative square root of 6 times 8 times 6 divided by 4. Well, wouldn't the sum of opposites be equal to zero? So the expression is really just 6 times 0, which is 0.

So, very = 0 ? Weird. :-/
 
2013-09-19 08:56:45 PM  

Abner Doon: All in all, why did they waste their time if they weren't going to do it right?


It doesn't matter, since their premise is wrong.

" 'I lost track of time.' We all say it. We all think it. However, this excuse is a flat out 100 percent absolute lie." True, but not because we are bad at time-keeping; we are still lying because trying to beat our high score in Space Invaders is more important than meeting for drinks some guy who thinks we're now besties just because I said "hi" to him at the grocery store. But, "I'm late because I don't really like you" isn't a good way to start a meeting with someone who is already drunk t 3:30 in the afternoon. Better to say, "I'm late because . . . I lost track of time. Yeah! That's the ticket!"
 
2013-09-19 09:01:56 PM  
Seriously?   We're just discovering Time Cube?    http://controversy.wearscience.com/ even has a shirt about it.

//welcometofark.jpg
 
2013-09-19 09:34:51 PM  

Prophet of Loss: The speed at which time passes is relative.


So you are already dead?
 
2013-09-19 10:04:13 PM  

Abner Doon: That experiment in the article was farking retarded.  They did one iteration and the choices weren't even the same (some are ranges, some were exact time, wtf?).

Y

ou wanna know how I know you didn't understand TFA?

TFA says they asked them to write down how long they thought it was. They weren't filling out a scantron of non-parametric possibilities.

What is farking retarded is that you can't tell the difference between raw data and post facto binning.

If you are going to write a comment, why not do it right?
 
2013-09-19 10:48:40 PM  

fisker: Prophet of Loss: The speed at which time passes is relative.

So you are already dead?


If you think about it, death is when your soul does not occupy your body. In that sense, everyone is dead until they are brought into the world, they live for a while, and then return to death. So, I was dead but I got over it.
 
2013-09-19 11:36:46 PM  

Bondith: Did the answer the important question, though?  Is it a predator that stalks us all our lives or a companion that goes with us on the journey?


A personal assistant, since it is different for everyone.

I heard that time is relative depending on what race you are.
 
2013-09-19 11:46:02 PM  
I know a lot of ex-military folks (including myself) who can wake up at a preselected time.  I just look carefully at the clock just before I go to bed and then tell myself the hour and minute that I want to wake up.  The next morning, I open my eyes and look at the clock again, and it's usually about one minute prior to the desired time.  My wife gives me grief every time I set the alarm clock- she says I'll just get up thirty seconds before it goes off, so why do I bother?
 
2013-09-20 04:42:09 AM  

fisker: Prophet of Loss: The speed at which time passes is relative.

So you are already dead?


Maybe. But the "speed" at which time flows for you is relative to the actual speed at which you travel. Time runs ever so slightly slower for fast moving objects, relative to slower moving ones.
 
2013-09-20 06:32:11 AM  

Prophet of Loss: The speed at which time passes is relative

 one second per second.
 
2013-09-20 08:36:51 AM  

Tobin_Lam: Last night, even though 8pm lasted only an hour, it was the longest hour ever.


That is weird. 8.00pm always lasts only one second for me.
 
2013-09-20 09:11:38 AM  

COMALite J: So, Subby, you go out of your way to use ANSI codes for ∑ and ±, but used "X" instead of the multiplication symbol "×" (or "·")? Not even a lower-case "x"!?


No love for the fraction slash either?

/I submitted this line with a fraction slash
//it was replaced by a regular forward slash in the preview
///slashies
 
2013-09-20 10:34:13 AM  

FrancoFile: ArcadianRefugee: Jim_Callahan: COMALite J: So, Subby, you go out of your way to use ANSI codes for ∑ and ±, but used "X" instead of the multiplication symbol "×" (or "·")? Not even a lower-case "x"!?

My advisor used to get on my ass constantly about that.  You crazy youngsters realize that that wasn't even part of the standard character set the standard Word/Wordperfect/etc suites used until like 2007, right?  In my day we used * or one of the horrible editor codes, in six feet of driving snow, uphill both ways.

MathType has been available since 1987.

I did my master's thesis in LaTeX in 1989

/fark me if I'm going to remember all the subscripts and greek characters in that.


turboke: No love for the fraction slash either?

/I submitted this line with a fraction slash
//it was replaced by a regular forward slash in the preview
///slashies


I also didn't mention Subby's use of the square root symbol ("√") in my first post.

That said, I did know that fraction slash gets converted into a regular forward slash, just like em dash ("―") gets converted into an hyphen ("-" ← I typed that as an em dash) as did an en dash ("−" → "-" ← I typed that second one as an en dash, and they appear to no longer convert that to an hyphen). I really want those, and true typographic opening and closing "curly" quotes and apostrophes, back!! Why can we type every Unicode character except those? Why do only they get converted to the nearest equivalent ASCII character? How could they possibly be a security risk!?

Anyway, my point was the use of "X" for multiplication. Sheesh! At least use "x" if not "×"!

/How did I do those things?
 
2013-09-21 04:09:23 AM  

Green Scorpio: Prophet of Loss: The speed at which time passes is relative one second per second.


False. The "length" of an observed second depends on the speed of the observer relative to the observed.
 
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