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2013-09-19 02:55:42 PM
I have a hypothesis...

I think the big earthquake actually folded a piece of the crust of the plate on which Japan sits underneath Japan. That would explain the shifts, both horizontally and vertically, of the island. I think the almost constant earthquakes in that area since then are a result of this big piece of crust getting pushed under the rest of the plate and ground down. Once it passes, I wouldn't be shocked if that part of the crust (including Japan) sinks a significant amount into the ocean. It doesn't bode well, obviously.
 
2013-09-19 03:00:18 PM
♫  I said shake, rattle, and glow... ♫
 
2013-09-19 03:16:21 PM
It's just the bio-creature awaking beneath the sea.
 
2013-09-19 03:29:20 PM

SurfaceTension: I have a hypothesis...

I think the big earthquake actually folded a piece of the crust of the plate on which Japan sits underneath Japan. That would explain the shifts, both horizontally and vertically, of the island. I think the almost constant earthquakes in that area since then are a result of this big piece of crust getting pushed under the rest of the plate and ground down. Once it passes, I wouldn't be shocked if that part of the crust (including Japan) sinks a significant amount into the ocean. It doesn't bode well, obviously.


That's one theory...

blatz514: It's just the bio-creature awaking beneath the sea.


This is another
 
2013-09-19 03:50:42 PM
Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

/what do you mean, "why bother"?
 
2013-09-19 03:52:50 PM
After reading the comments attached to that article, we need to turn this thread into a contest to try and top them.
 
2013-09-19 04:01:42 PM
Godzilla will you just settle the fark down for a while, please?
 
2013-09-19 04:02:08 PM
I blame HAARP.
 
2013-09-19 04:02:15 PM

texdent: SurfaceTension: I have a hypothesis...

I think the big earthquake actually folded a piece of the crust of the plate on which Japan sits underneath Japan. That would explain the shifts, both horizontally and vertically, of the island. I think the almost constant earthquakes in that area since then are a result of this big piece of crust getting pushed under the rest of the plate and ground down. Once it passes, I wouldn't be shocked if that part of the crust (including Japan) sinks a significant amount into the ocean. It doesn't bode well, obviously.

That's one theory...

blatz514: It's just the bio-creature awaking beneath the sea.

This is another


Has anyone checked for Indian burial sites?
 
2013-09-19 04:03:12 PM
Can we start naming earthquakes?

"Today Earthquake Tetsuo caused extensive damage in the Hokkaido prefecture..."
 
2013-09-19 04:03:13 PM
Reverse China Syndrome!
 
2013-09-19 04:04:10 PM
5.3? No big deal. That is much smaller than many of the aftershocks of the 9.0 one.
 
2013-09-19 04:04:39 PM
5.3? Isn't that typical in Japan for days ending in 'y'?
 
2013-09-19 04:05:07 PM
I'm glad I got to visit Japan when I did. Now on to more stable and less nukey countries on my list.

/World Cup Brazil!
 
2013-09-19 04:05:11 PM
wow.  Joe Rogan just asked this question on the Mac Lethal podcast from maybe 3-4 days ago:  "what if an earthquake hits Fukushima?  we're already farked, but what would another earthquake or tsunami do?"
 
2013-09-19 04:06:15 PM
SCARY - all those storage containers for contaminated water.
 
2013-09-19 04:06:19 PM
I'm sure everything will be okay.
 
2013-09-19 04:06:21 PM

rickythepenguin: wow.  Joe Rogan just asked this question on the Mac Lethal podcast from maybe 3-4 days ago:  "what if an earthquake hits Fukushima?  we're already farked, but what would another earthquake or tsunami do?"


Apparently not a lot.
 
2013-09-19 04:07:24 PM
Great second line in the article:  "There are no reports of damage to destroyed facilities"

Gee, ya think?
 
2013-09-19 04:07:41 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: Can we start naming earthquakes?

"Today Earthquake Tetsuo caused extensive damage in the Hokkaido prefecture..."


"The 5.3 Earthquake Michael J. Fox shook up the Eastern region of Japan today..."
 
2013-09-19 04:09:03 PM

Old_Chief_Scott: After reading the comments attached to that article, we need to turn this thread into a contest to try and top them.


Only Pocket Ninja or maybe Mike_LOwell could hope to top some of those. And PN has already given us an amazing gem (one of his best ever) in another thread.
 
2013-09-19 04:10:09 PM
♫ Oh no, they say he's got to go go go...♫
 
2013-09-19 04:10:12 PM

rickythepenguin: wow.  Joe Rogan just asked this question on the Mac Lethal podcast from maybe 3-4 days ago:  "what if an earthquake hits Fukushima?  we're already farked, but what would another earthquake or tsunami do?"


Apparently, fear is not a factor.
 
2013-09-19 04:15:31 PM
"The epicenter was 20 km beneath the surface on the Pacific coast but only around 50 miles from the Fukushima plant."

OK; first... That's not close enough to say "at Fukushima". Second, who the f*ck uses kilometers for depth and miles surface distance in the same sentence?!
 
2013-09-19 04:16:03 PM
TEPCO, the company in charge of the cleanup operations at the site has said it is monitoring the plant and that so-far no irregularities have been discovered, according to the local media.

At this point why do they even ask TEPCO anything involving safety? They've been proven time and time again to lie out their ass about everything.. They makeBaghdad Bob look honest.
 
2013-09-19 04:16:46 PM

blatz514: It's just the bio-creature awaking beneath the sea.


Kaiju!
 
2013-09-19 04:18:03 PM
www.wearysloth.com

Is on it.
 
2013-09-19 04:24:24 PM

COMALite J: Old_Chief_Scott: After reading the comments attached to that article, we need to turn this thread into a contest to try and top them.

Only Pocket Ninja or maybe Mike_LOwell could hope to top some of those. And PN has already given us an amazing gem (one of his best ever) in another thread.


which thread?
 
2013-09-19 04:25:21 PM
"No radiation leak was detected."

Probably because their radiation detectors were already spiked.

*** EVERYBODY PANIC ***
 
2013-09-19 04:27:02 PM

COMALite J: Old_Chief_Scott: After reading the comments attached to that article, we need to turn this thread into a contest to try and top them.

Only Pocket Ninja or maybe Mike_LOwell could hope to top some of those. And PN has already given us an amazing gem (one of his best ever) in another thread.


Link?
 
2013-09-19 04:27:02 PM
img0.joyreactor.com
 
2013-09-19 04:32:42 PM
"FYI No one uses the Richter scale anymore"
 
2013-09-19 04:34:22 PM
Fukishima is just a front for Japan's clandestine Uranium-enrichment program.

Radiation leaks and earthquakes my ass, that's the result of underground nuclear testing. The Empire of the Sun is rising again.
 
2013-09-19 04:34:38 PM

rickythepenguin: wow.  Joe Rogan just asked this question on the Mac Lethal podcast from maybe 3-4 days ago:  "what if an earthquake hits Fukushima?  we're already farked, but what would another earthquake or tsunami do?"


Well, if one of the spent-fuel pools collapses (#4 being the most likely), you could suddenly have energy "too cheap to meter."
 
2013-09-19 04:35:37 PM
Going by the history of the region, lots of smaller earthquakes are going to hit and very likely another fairly large earthquake and tsunami (not AS large, but large) within 100 years, with a fair chance of it coming within 50. There were also major earthquakes and tsunami in 1896 and 1933, along with a merely strong earthquake in 1978, so I can make this prediction pretty safely. This is not counting the other ones in 1994, 2003, and 2005.

Incidentally, the reason Japan has nukes out in the sticks like Fukushima and Niigata is because they KNEW there was a distinct possibility for problems and wanted them to be away from major population centers like Tokyo.

Seriously, nuclear power is farking stupid. I have come to think there is no "smart" way to "have it all", but nuclear power is just hubris in action (we can "tame the atom"!). Fossil fuels are willful ignorance in action, as seen by my climate change denier PHYSICIST roommate (they aren't dirty or destroying our environment, and it's totally worth it no matter how bad things get!).
 
2013-09-19 04:38:33 PM
 
2013-09-19 04:39:47 PM
Well that's because an hour after the last one, the earth just gets hungry again.
 
2013-09-19 04:41:41 PM
Here's a great one from the comments:

Now for something really scary. There are over 400 nuclear reactors on the planet. They all require being connected to the regular power grid for the electricity to run their cooling pumps. One good solar storm event, which is overdue, could take out the entire grid causing all the reactors to meltdown at the same time.

I suspect this isn't true, but if it was, do you know what the solution would be?  Build new reactors.  You know, the exponentially safer/self-limiting designs that have been available for decades but not built (at least in the US) due to political derp, causing us to continue using older models.
 
2013-09-19 04:41:42 PM

AliceBToklasLives: 5.3? Isn't that typical in Japan for days ending in 'y'?


Eskaminagaga: 5.3? No big deal. That is much smaller than many of the aftershocks of the 9.0 one.


These.  That's just a wiggle around there.  As the saying around here goes when people want to be dismissive, "Wake me when" they get a 7 or above.
 
2013-09-19 04:41:53 PM
5.3 is nothing. Wake me when they hit 7, otherwise don't bother.
 
2013-09-19 04:43:53 PM

adamatari: Going by the history of the region, lots of smaller earthquakes are going to hit and very likely another fairly large earthquake and tsunami (not AS large, but large) within 100 years, with a fair chance of it coming within 50. There were also major earthquakes and tsunami in 1896 and 1933, along with a merely strong earthquake in 1978, so I can make this prediction pretty safely. This is not counting the other ones in 1994, 2003, and 2005.

Incidentally, the reason Japan has nukes out in the sticks like Fukushima and Niigata is because they KNEW there was a distinct possibility for problems and wanted them to be away from major population centers like Tokyo.

Seriously, nuclear power is farking stupid. I have come to think there is no "smart" way to "have it all", but nuclear power is just hubris in action (we can "tame the atom"!). Fossil fuels are willful ignorance in action, as seen by my climate change denier PHYSICIST roommate (they aren't dirty or destroying our environment, and it's totally worth it no matter how bad things get!).


Maybe we can just get hippies to run on a big hamster wheel connected to a turbine (with hemp rope of course). We can hang bags of Funyuns in front of them to keep them moving.
 
2013-09-19 04:44:11 PM

netweavr: Fukishima is just a front for Japan's clandestine Uranium-enrichment program.

Radiation leaks and earthquakes my ass, that's the result of underground nuclear testing. The Empire of the Sun is rising again.


You know there's absolutely nothing that says Japan isn't allowed to have nuclear weapons, right? And they are nuclear-ready and able to be armed within a few months time, if they wanted to be?
 
2013-09-19 04:46:29 PM

awalkingecho: netweavr: Fukishima is just a front for Japan's clandestine Uranium-enrichment program.

Radiation leaks and earthquakes my ass, that's the result of underground nuclear testing. The Empire of the Sun is rising again.

You know there's absolutely nothing that says Japan isn't allowed to have nuclear weapons, right? And they are nuclear-ready and able to be armed within a few months time, if they wanted to be?


More bullsh*t from deniers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Non-Proliferation_of_Nucl ea r_Weapons
 
2013-09-19 04:47:01 PM
GanjSmokr:
These.  That's just a wiggle around there.  As the saying around here goes when people want to be dismissive, "Wake me when" they get a 7 or above.

Shakes impotent fist in rage! LOL!
 
2013-09-19 04:48:13 PM

swingbozo: GanjSmokr:
These.  That's just a wiggle around there.  As the saying around here goes when people want to be dismissive, "Wake me when" they get a 7 or above.

Shakes impotent fist in rage! LOL!


Only by 11 seconds.  Dismissive minds think alike :)
 
2013-09-19 04:48:49 PM
I'm surprised my company hasn't located a set of offices there yet.
I guess they are waiting for the real estate values to drop even further.
 
2013-09-19 04:49:56 PM

netweavr: awalkingecho: netweavr: Fukishima is just a front for Japan's clandestine Uranium-enrichment program.

Radiation leaks and earthquakes my ass, that's the result of underground nuclear testing. The Empire of the Sun is rising again.

You know there's absolutely nothing that says Japan isn't allowed to have nuclear weapons, right? And they are nuclear-ready and able to be armed within a few months time, if they wanted to be?

More bullsh*t from deniers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Non-Proliferation_of_Nucl ea r_Weapons


Try again
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_nuclear_weapon_program#Nuclear _N on-Proliferation_Treaty

Japan's stance and role in the NPT as well as its constitution are more complicated than that.
 
2013-09-19 04:51:54 PM
Seriously, I've got "shake alerts" on my phone. You'd be surprised how many 6.5-ish happen around the world. I'm on the Oregon coast, so we're pretty sensitive about earthquakes in these parts.
 
2013-09-19 04:53:01 PM

awalkingecho: netweavr: awalkingecho: netweavr: Fukishima is just a front for Japan's clandestine Uranium-enrichment program.

Radiation leaks and earthquakes my ass, that's the result of underground nuclear testing. The Empire of the Sun is rising again.

You know there's absolutely nothing that says Japan isn't allowed to have nuclear weapons, right? And they are nuclear-ready and able to be armed within a few months time, if they wanted to be?

More bullsh*t from deniers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Non-Proliferation_of_Nucl ea r_Weapons

Try again
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_nuclear_weapon_program#Nuclear _N on-Proliferation_Treaty

Japan's stance and role in the NPT as well as its constitution are more complicated than that.


They signed it in 1970 and extended it in 1995. They're bound to it. The discussion they had prior to signing it has no bearing as they did sign it.
 
2013-09-19 04:53:23 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: Can we start naming earthquakes?

"Today Earthquake Tetsuo caused extensive damage in the Hokkaido prefecture..."


KANNEDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
 
2013-09-19 04:54:11 PM

GanjSmokr: AliceBToklasLives: 5.3? Isn't that typical in Japan for days ending in 'y'?

Eskaminagaga: 5.3? No big deal. That is much smaller than many of the aftershocks of the 9.0 one.

These.  That's just a wiggle around there.  As the saying around here goes when people want to be dismissive, "Wake me when" they get a 7 or above.


smc.temple.edu
 
2013-09-19 04:56:03 PM

netweavr: They signed it in 1970 and extended it in 1995. They're bound to it. The discussion they had prior to signing it has no bearing as they did sign it.


North Korea's shenaningans are enough to justify Japan's withdrawal from the treaty under the provisions of Article X if it so chose.
 
2013-09-19 04:56:04 PM

awalkingecho: netweavr: Fukishima is just a front for Japan's clandestine Uranium-enrichment program.

Radiation leaks and earthquakes my ass, that's the result of underground nuclear testing. The Empire of the Sun is rising again.

You know there's absolutely nothing that says Japan isn't allowed to have nuclear weapons, right? And they are nuclear-ready and able to be armed within a few months time, if they wanted to be?


Nukes are old and busted.

I bet they're testing Robotech.

fc09.deviantart.net
 
2013-09-19 04:57:11 PM

awalkingecho: netweavr: They signed it in 1970 and extended it in 1995. They're bound to it. The discussion they had prior to signing it has no bearing as they did sign it.

North Korea's shenaningans are enough to justify Japan's withdrawal from the treaty under the provisions of Article X if it so chose.


They'd have to announce such a choice, they haven't. Any manufacturing would therefore be illegal.
 
2013-09-19 04:58:25 PM

netweavr: They'd have to announce such a choice, they haven't. Any manufacturing would therefore be illegal.


And they're not manufacturing, which brings us back to where you were trolling in the first place.
 
2013-09-19 04:59:27 PM
adamatari:

Seriously, nuclear power is farking stupid. I have come to think there is no "smart" way to "have it all", but nuclear power is just hubris in action (we can "tame the atom"!). Fossil fuels are willful ignorance in action, as seen by my climate change denier PHYSICIST roommate (they aren't dirty or destroying our environment, and it's totally worth it no matter how bad things get!).

Well that last one actually *is* a possibly defensible argument, not that I support it. It really boils down to which side of the "Do less damage to the planet so future generations aren't screwed" / "We should be doing everything we can to feed, cloth, medicate, and raise the standard of living of the current population so they stop dieing" argument that you fall on.
 
2013-09-19 05:00:23 PM

awalkingecho: netweavr: They'd have to announce such a choice, they haven't. Any manufacturing would therefore be illegal.

And they're not manufacturing, which brings us back to where you were trolling in the first place.


Thank you.

THEY"RE MAKING NUKES! WE"RE THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS HERE!
 
2013-09-19 05:02:31 PM

SurfaceTension: I have a hypothesis...

I think the big earthquake actually folded a piece of the crust of the plate on which Japan sits underneath Japan. That would explain the shifts, both horizontally and vertically, of the island. I think the almost constant earthquakes in that area since then are a result of this big piece of crust getting pushed under the rest of the plate and ground down. Once it passes, I wouldn't be shocked if that part of the crust (including Japan) sinks a significant amount into the ocean. It doesn't bode well, obviously.


No, you don't.

You've just seen the movie "The Sinking Of Japan"
 
2013-09-19 05:06:56 PM

awalkingecho: netweavr: They signed it in 1970 and extended it in 1995. They're bound to it. The discussion they had prior to signing it has no bearing as they did sign it.

North Korea's shenaningans are enough to justify Japan's withdrawal from the treaty under the provisions of Article X if it so chose.


Meh. The median age in Japan is like 90 or something. Just schedule a late meeting.
 
2013-09-19 05:07:50 PM
Dear ex-fiancee.  Please move away from that shiat hole.

Love,

shiatty ex who left you in the back water region of that country.
 
2013-09-19 05:10:32 PM

blatz514: It's just the bio-creature awaking beneath the sea.


Up from the depths
Thirty stories high
Breathing fire
His head in the sky ........
 
2013-09-19 05:13:17 PM

grimlock1972: blatz514: It's just the bio-creature awaking beneath the sea.

Up from the depths
Thirty stories high
Breathing fire
His head in the sky ........


Thanks for the earworm.
 
2013-09-19 05:21:56 PM

SheltemDragon: Well that last one actually *is* a possibly defensible argument, not that I support it. It really boils down to which side of the "Do less damage to the planet so future generations aren't screwed" / "We should be doing everything we can to feed, cloth, medicate, and raise the standard of living of the current population so they stop dieing" argument that you fall on.


I think we can manage the feed, clothe, medicate part using much, much less energy. The "stopping dying" part we are really good at, even at much lower levels of energy use than in the US. It's the "standard of living" part and how you define it that is contentious. I am very certain we could keep people very much alive, fed and clothed in a renewable economy (no nukes, no fossil fuels), but I am equally certain we wouldn't be able to drive 2 ton vehicles that consume gasoline every time we needed to go to the grocery store down the street. Cheap iProducts and such would probably be off the table too. Whole-house A/C and heat would be iffy, and McMansions would be a totally out. Also, breeding like rabbits is a no-go.

I am equally certain human nature prevents us from acting with wisdom. Like anything else, we respond to the availability of resources by using them and expanding our population until hard limits hit. Our intelligence allows us to push the limits, but the earth being a sphere, they still exist. When we hit them is anybody's guess, but I am quite sure we WILL hit them and no amount of rational thinking will prevent that.
 
2013-09-19 05:27:39 PM
L.A. area Farker here. A 5.3 wouldn't even get me out of bed.
 
2013-09-19 05:29:24 PM

adamatari: I think we can manage the feed, clothe, medicate part using much, much less energy.


We just need to herd all the less-important people into work camps and farms. The kind of society you describe and advocate has been tried, and is always a slave society.

adamatari: I am equally certain human nature prevents us from acting with wisdom.


Well, in your case and those like you, sure. Wisdom would entail seeing the consequences of your choices, and you apparently don't.
 
2013-09-19 05:30:01 PM

JonnyBGoode: L.A. area Farker here. A 5.3 wouldn't even get me out of bed.


Unless you're in bed with a 5.3
 
2013-09-19 05:45:02 PM
My phone's earthquake warning system woke me up. It was bigger than anything we got around here recently, but not even close to what happened 2 years ago.
 
2013-09-19 05:46:33 PM

Shadow Blasko: SurfaceTension: I have a hypothesis...

I think the big earthquake actually folded a piece of the crust of the plate on which Japan sits underneath Japan. That would explain the shifts, both horizontally and vertically, of the island. I think the almost constant earthquakes in that area since then are a result of this big piece of crust getting pushed under the rest of the plate and ground down. Once it passes, I wouldn't be shocked if that part of the crust (including Japan) sinks a significant amount into the ocean. It doesn't bode well, obviously.

No, you don't.

You've just seen the movie "The Sinking Of Japan"


heh.  well-done.
 
2013-09-19 05:48:29 PM

adamatari: Seriously, nuclear power is farking stupid. I have come to think there is no "smart" way to "have it all", but nuclear power is just hubris in action (we can "tame the atom"!). Fossil fuels are willful ignorance in action, as seen by my climate change denier PHYSICIST roommate (they aren't dirty or destroying our environment, and it's totally worth it no matter how bad things get!).


You sir are an idiot.  Congratulations!

More radiation is released into the environment EVERY DAY by coal burning than by all nuclear power plants combined.
 
2013-09-19 05:54:38 PM
i1182.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-19 06:01:45 PM

CarnySaur: "FYI No one uses the Richter scale anymore"


What's used to determine severity now?
 
2013-09-19 06:04:12 PM

Boojum2k: grimlock1972: blatz514: It's just the bio-creature awaking beneath the sea.

Up from the depths
Thirty stories high
Breathing fire
His head in the sky ........

Thanks for the earworm.


your welcome.
 
2013-09-19 06:05:34 PM

grimlock1972: your welcome


It is out of gratitude that I'm favoriting you as Godzooky. Really.
 
2013-09-19 06:07:56 PM

Kahabut: You sir are an idiot.  Congratulations!

More radiation is released into the environment EVERY DAY by coal burning than by all nuclear power plants combined.


On the flip side, consider this. There have been roughly 500 nuclear power plants built on this planet. Two of them have gone *bomf* with catastrophic consequences. So, if you live next door to a nuclear power plant, there is roughly a 1/250 chance of it wrecking your day, your neighbourhood and a large swathe of your state.

Now, part of my job is risk management at work (as is part of everyones) - anything with a tenth of those odds and impact will be judged as too risky to proceed.
 
2013-09-19 06:08:53 PM
5.3 doesn't even shake my martini
 
2013-09-19 06:11:05 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-09-19 06:12:06 PM

Carn: Godzilla will you just settle the fark down for a while, please?


We're going to need Godzilla to fight for us when Cthulu awakens again
 
2013-09-19 06:12:47 PM

zzrhardy: There have been roughly 500 nuclear power plants built on this planet. Two of them have gone *bomf* with catastrophic consequences. So, if you live next door to a nuclear power plant, there is roughly a 1/250 chance of it wrecking your day, your neighbourhood and a large swathe of your state.

Now, part of my job is risk management at work (as is part of everyones) - anything with a tenth of those odds and impact will be judged as too risky to proceed.


You suck at risk management, failing to consider time scales, building types, and actual effects. Your rough estimate is off by orders of magnitude.
 
2013-09-19 06:13:12 PM

Clemkadidlefark: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 363x142]


Dammit! He's not supposed to show up until NEXT year!

Where'd I put his agent's number? >:-(
 
2013-09-19 06:15:08 PM

Boojum2k: We just need to herd all the less-important people into work camps and farms. The kind of society you describe and advocate has been tried, and is always a slave society.


I think we've done a good job of moving in that direction WITH all the fossil fuels and nuclear - go check that article about the declining American standard of living. The "important people" are called CEOs and the rest of us are called "employees" (or "unemployed").

But aside from that, the fossil fuels needed to be used to maintain our current style of agriculture are a small portion of the fossil fuels actually used, so no, you don't need to move everyone onto the farm. And there have been many societies without slavery in history long before fossil fuels and nuclear - Scandinavia eliminated slavery in the 1300s. Japan did not have slavery in the Edo period either. 

Well, in your case and those like you, sure. Wisdom would entail seeing the consequences of your choices, and you apparently don't.

Funny, I don't own a car, I share an apartment, and I don't even have A/C or heat... Though to be fair my sitting here on Fark is through the grace of oil (though certainly this state could go all-renewable). I don't feel particularly poor. The consequences of my choices? I have to ride my bike to the grocery store.
 
2013-09-19 06:21:13 PM

adamatari: I think we've done a good job of moving in that direction WITH all the fossil fuels and nuclear


We've established thinking is not your strong suit.

adamatari: Though to be fair my sitting here on Fark is through the grace of oil (though certainly this state could go all-renewable). I don't feel particularly poor. The consequences of my choices? I have to ride my bike to the grocery store.


You live on an island in the middle of an ocean, doofus. If every acre on Hawaii could be converted to farmland, it could not feed the population. Fossil fuel burning ships bring food in. You're the beneficiary of a long chain of other peoples efforts, much of which is transportation powered by fossil fuels.
 
2013-09-19 06:21:20 PM
From the article comments:

We can thanks the psycopath Israel for the world being on a knife edge, search, 'Jim stone, Fukushima'... They have brought us to the closest we have ever been to extinction as a punishment as Japan was enriching uranium for Iran... Reactor 4 could not have exploded like that without external force because the reactor was empty! It is like 9-11 building 7! It is a matter of time before that spent fuel in the pool is comprimised and even once it is out, we are far from safe! Israel out of their madness may have killed even themselves because they are deranged murderers! God bless us all...

How much do you have to hate the Jews to try to pin a tsunami on them?
 
2013-09-19 06:23:25 PM
s18.postimg.org
 
2013-09-19 06:35:29 PM

Glitchwerks: awalkingecho: netweavr: Fukishima is just a front for Japan's clandestine Uranium-enrichment program.

Radiation leaks and earthquakes my ass, that's the result of underground nuclear testing. The Empire of the Sun is rising again.

You know there's absolutely nothing that says Japan isn't allowed to have nuclear weapons, right? And they are nuclear-ready and able to be armed within a few months time, if they wanted to be?

Nukes are old and busted.

I bet they're testing Robotech.

[fc09.deviantart.net image 600x481]


no they are testing macross

/sorry i couldnt resist
 
2013-09-19 06:35:45 PM
fearless Wretch
insanity
He watches
lurking beneath the sea
great Old One
forbidden site
He searches
Hunter of the Shadows is rising
immortal
in madness You dwell
 
2013-09-19 06:36:10 PM

Boojum2k: Fossil fuel burning ships bring food in


and christmas trees
 
2013-09-19 06:39:29 PM

johnny_vegas: Boojum2k: Fossil fuel burning ships bring food in

and christmas trees


Well, pretty much every manufactured good as well.
 
2013-09-19 06:56:28 PM

AliceBToklasLives: 5.3? Isn't that typical in Japan for days ending in 'y'?


Actually, they end in -youbi.

But yeah: this is nothing.
 
2013-09-19 07:42:42 PM

Shadow Blasko: No, you don't.

You've just seen the movie "The Sinking Of Japan"


Never heard of it. Honestly.
 
2013-09-19 08:00:48 PM
5.3? Japanese don't even notice no pansy 5.3s.
 
2013-09-19 08:16:49 PM

SurfaceTension: Shadow Blasko: No, you don't.

You've just seen the movie "The Sinking Of Japan"

Never heard of it. Honestly.


Watch it. You can find most of it on you tube.

Pretty well done actually.
 
2013-09-19 08:37:50 PM

doofusss: COMALite J: Old_Chief_Scott: After reading the comments attached to that article, we need to turn this thread into a contest to try and top them.

Only Pocket Ninja or maybe Mike_LOWell could hope to top some of those. And PN has already given us an amazing gem (one of his best ever) in another thread.

which thread?


Flab: Link?


Clicketh here.
 
2013-09-19 08:39:11 PM
That was not a pleasant way to be awakened at 2:30 in the morning.  The way it was rumbling, I was expecting it to blow up into another magnitude 7 quake.
That's the scary part, you're never sure how big the earthquake is going to get or how long it's going to last until it's all over.
When I first came to Fukushima 6 years ago, I was assured that the region really didn't get big earthquakes.  That wasn't entirely accurate.  Now, stuff like this makes me a bit jumpy.
 
2013-09-19 08:39:58 PM

Baron Harkonnen: That was not a pleasant way to be awakened at 2:30 in the morning. The way it was rumbling, I was expecting it to blow up into another magnitude 7 quake.


Couldn't you have just used your floater belt to escape?
 
2013-09-19 08:55:53 PM

Boojum2k: adamatari: I think we've done a good job of moving in that direction WITH all the fossil fuels and nuclear

We've established thinking is not your strong suit.
adamatari: Though to be fair my sitting here on Fark is through the grace of oil (though certainly this state could go all-renewable). I don't feel particularly poor. The consequences of my choices? I have to ride my bike to the grocery store.

You live on an island in the middle of an ocean, doofus. If every acre on Hawaii could be converted to farmland, it could not feed the population. Fossil fuel burning ships bring food in. You're the beneficiary of a long chain of other peoples efforts, much of which is transportation powered by fossil fuels.


I am well aware of my precarious place in the middle of the ocean, and the issues of population here. But that's not much different from New York or any other city (most of the population here is in Honolulu). Cities rely on imported food.

That said, all of the things done with fossil fuels now can be done without them, or can be done with much less. Global shipping existed in the days of sail, which was not very long ago at all.

Now, if you're trying to say that humans with fossil fuels are like yeast with sugar, and have increased their population to the point where no amount of mitigation or movement away from fossil fuels can save them, hey, that's a common argument and may be right. I tend to think human population will fall when fossil fuels really start to get scarce, and eventually realign with historical trends.

But if you're saying human society must have fossil fuels or slavery, I'd say that's a very long stretch. And I would say the exact same about nuclear. There are lots of ways to work things, though perhaps many are not possible due to human nature (idealized anarchy or communism can't exist because humans in large groups always create highly stratified, hierarchical societies).
 
2013-09-19 09:01:14 PM

adamatari: I tend to think human population will fall when fossil fuels really start to get scarce


So mass starvation, societal collapse, and human misery is your solution?

No thanks.
 
2013-09-19 09:11:45 PM
FTFA TEPCO, the company in charge of the cleanup operations at the site has said it is monitoring the plant and that so-far no irregularities have been discovered, according to the local media.

Man, it's a good thing TEPCO hasn't been caught lying repeatedly about Fukushima.  We can definitely trust t hem on this.
 
2013-09-19 09:18:27 PM

johnny_vegas: [img0.joyreactor.com image 478x640]


Can I have this one instead?i1299.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-19 09:50:28 PM

Eskaminagaga: 5.3? No big deal. That is much smaller than many of the aftershocks of the 9.0 one.


True, a 5.3 is pretty much a weekly event in Japan.   However this one had its epicenter inland and was registered "5+" on the Japanese scale of severity at areas very close to the epicenter.

1-2 are 'noticeable'
3 is very noticeable, doors shake, pots rattle on shelves.
4 is where you start to get nervous.  lampposts, trees and buildings visibly sway, walking in a straight line can be difficult. Keeping control of your car can also be difficult.
5 - 5+  real damage starts to occur, windows break, walls fall over and crack etc. structural damage to buildings, pipes, roads etc.

So for this to be a 5+ event in frkkkushima is newsworthy.  Usually it wouldn't be such a big deal but it seems they're not exactly running smoothly as it is.
 
2013-09-20 12:26:41 AM

Rivetman1.0: johnny_vegas: [img0.joyreactor.com image 478x640]

Can I have this one instead?[i1299.photobucket.com image 413x600]


Will you penetrate her? Or will she penetrate you?
 
2013-09-20 12:56:57 AM

JonnyBGoode: L.A. area Farker here. A 5.3 wouldn't even get me out of bed.


Was from SoCal, so I know what you mean. In Hawaii now, and any quake Japan related and I wait for the tsunami warning sirens...those things are loud and scary!
 
2013-09-20 01:07:32 AM

Boojum2k: zzrhardy: There have been roughly 500 nuclear power plants built on this planet. Two of them have gone *bomf* with catastrophic consequences. So, if you live next door to a nuclear power plant, there is roughly a 1/250 chance of it wrecking your day, your neighbourhood and a large swathe of your state.

Now, part of my job is risk management at work (as is part of everyones) - anything with a tenth of those odds and impact will be judged as too risky to proceed.

You suck at risk management, failing to consider time scales, building types, and actual effects. Your rough estimate is off by orders of magnitude.


Thanks, I was going to say that, but much less nicely.

ZZR- you fail at considering any of the important factors, and you utterly ignored the NUMEROUS industrial accidents related to coal, natural gas, and a dozen other industries which can and are actually MORE likely to screw up your day, your neighborhood and your state.
 
2013-09-20 09:30:37 AM

Glitchwerks: Nukes are old and busted.

I bet they're testing Robotech.



Nope -- that's old-and-busted, too.  The entirety of the 36-episode Macross saga now takes place in the past.

* the SDF-1 crash-landed in 1999 ... it was re-launched in 2009
* the greater Zentraedi fleet decimated the earth in 2010
* the final battle between the SDF-1 and Khyron's forces occured in 2012
 
2013-09-20 01:24:11 PM
So someone with a couple 18" woofers drove by?
 
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