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(Mother Nature Network)   There would be a lot less wasted food in this world if we didn't have all those pesky 'use by' dates   (mnn.com) divider line 136
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2013-09-19 02:35:40 PM  
Yeah, and don't get me started on that 'Age of Consent' bullshiat.
 
2013-09-19 02:38:13 PM  
I smelled it, you smelled it. What's it supposed to smell like? I never smelled milk.
 
2013-09-19 02:38:20 PM  
I think a bigger problem is quality consistency and storage/processing.

I've had products that when opened are obviously bad but well before the sell by date.  Not many, but some.


Use your nose and eyes like others in the comments said.
 
2013-09-19 02:38:42 PM  
I agree with these guys FTFA:
Screw those dates. Arbitrary. Empower yourself and use your senses. Does it look smell or taste gross? No, then eat it!'Use by' is a guideline. Scratch 'n sniff is more effective.  Even more so with pharmaceuticals (within reason).
 
2013-09-19 02:39:58 PM  
What's the percentage of "poors" with refrigerators? I'm sure that effects these dates.
 
2013-09-19 02:40:05 PM  
Um.  Yeah so call me crazy but I love leftovers so I very rarely throw out those.  I eat a lot of fresh stuff so I do wind up throwing out the occasional veggies that I didn't eat in time but those go on the compost pile so no real loss there.  About once or twice a year I toss some yogurt or other container food I didn't eat before it went south.  So I guess eat more fresh food and it's less of a problem?  Also, milk and eggs don't need expiration anyway.  Milk gets the smell and taste test and eggs get the float test (if they float in cold water they be bad matey).
 
2013-09-19 02:40:22 PM  
images3.wikia.nocookie.net

It's more of a guidline than a rule.

/oblig pirate day reference fulfilled.
 
2013-09-19 02:40:24 PM  
If it weren't for "sell by" dates, food pantries would have 85% less food.
 
2013-09-19 02:40:25 PM  

TheAnusThatAteManhattan: I think a bigger problem is quality consistency and storage/processing.

I've had products that when opened are obviously bad but well before the sell by date.  Not many, but some.


Use your nose and eyes like others in the comments said.


I know someone that worked at a Real Canadian Stupidstore. They would regularly leave milk and eggs unrefrigerated for days at a time.
 
2013-09-19 02:42:20 PM  
Anything before the date is good 99.999% of the time (packaging errors/damaged packaging might still cause it to spoil). After the date? Don't be a pussy. Your ancestors imported spices to deal with the less-than-fresh taste of foods that were just over the peak. Learn from the past.
 
2013-09-19 02:42:21 PM  

Bareefer Obonghit: Yeah, and don't get me started on that 'Age of Consent' bullshiat.


Bullshiat?

I think it is New Order's finest song (after Ceremony).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VcGJZpfl1c
 
2013-09-19 02:43:41 PM  
OK, so let's swap from pasteurization to irradiation treatments (x-ray exposure) as the standard sterilization.  That'll, what, triple the expiration dates on food so we can ship it everywhere?

Oh, wait, farking anti-nuclear conspiracy theorist morons like the people running MNN have shat on anything with the word 'radiation' in it so that we can't have nice things.  How unfortunate.
 
2013-09-19 02:44:11 PM  

DerAppie: Anything before the date is good 99.999% of the time (packaging errors/damaged packaging might still cause it to spoil). After the date? Don't be a pussy. Your ancestors imported spices to deal with the less-than-fresh taste of foods that were just over the peak. Learn from the past.


They also died of dysentery on the Oregon trail.
 
2013-09-19 02:44:36 PM  
How else am I supposed to know when my bleu cheese goes bad?
 
2013-09-19 02:45:21 PM  
What some people need to realize:
There's a difference between "safe to eat by" and "best taste/freshness by."  Manufactures need to be clear if the date in question is a matter of safety or perceived quality.
 
2013-09-19 02:45:54 PM  
I think those dates are more as a tool so they don't get sued.  They also mean, if it's one day past the expiration date, it doesn't necessarily mean the food is outright bad, it just means quality goes down.
/we've come along way hot coffee lady in the mcdonalds drive thru
 
2013-09-19 02:47:11 PM  

Jim_Callahan: OK, so let's swap from pasteurization to irradiation treatments (x-ray exposure) as the standard sterilization.  That'll, what, triple the expiration dates on food so we can ship it everywhere?

Oh, wait, farking anti-nuclear conspiracy theorist morons like the people running MNN have shat on anything with the word 'radiation' in it so that we can't have nice things.  How unfortunate.


I think most food irradiation is done with gamma sources (not that there's a physical difference from x-rays). I've had nutters explain to me that microwave ovens leave radiation in food so unless you change the education system in the US you'll never get the people to understand it.
 
2013-09-19 02:50:06 PM  

Russ1642: Jim_Callahan: OK, so let's swap from pasteurization to irradiation treatments (x-ray exposure) as the standard sterilization.  That'll, what, triple the expiration dates on food so we can ship it everywhere?

Oh, wait, farking anti-nuclear conspiracy theorist morons like the people running MNN have shat on anything with the word 'radiation' in it so that we can't have nice things.  How unfortunate.

I think most food irradiation is done with gamma sources (not that there's a physical difference from x-rays). I've had nutters explain to me that microwave ovens leave radiation in food so unless you change the education system in the US you'll never get the people to understand it.


It's worse than that even.  I've talked with science and engineering majors who won't use wifi because it's radiation and can cause cancer.  Oy vey.
 
2013-09-19 02:50:46 PM  

Gaseous Anomaly: How else am I supposed to know when my bleu cheese goes bad?


It tastes good?
 
2013-09-19 02:51:25 PM  

tuna fingers: I agree with these guys FTFA:
Screw those dates. Arbitrary. Empower yourself and use your senses. Does it look smell or taste gross? No, then eat it!'Use by' is a guideline. Scratch 'n sniff is more effective.  Even more so with pharmaceuticals (within reason).


As someone who has tested pharmaceuticals after 3 years in a controlled "bad" environment (H3/H4 - 40°C 75%RH) I can say that while most will last for decades, you have the problem that a few of them degrade into some nasty chemicals.  Oh, and stay away from acetaminophen if at all possible.
 
2013-09-19 02:52:16 PM  
Really? Unnessary? WTH does that mean anyway? Should it be NONnessary, or maybe DISnessary?
 
2013-09-19 02:52:49 PM  
I'll chance it with everything but milk. If milk says expires 20 Sep, 11:59 on Sep 19th I am pouring that bastard down the sink. (if I'm up. Otherwise it can wait until morning). I drank chunky milk once. Never again.
 
2013-09-19 02:53:27 PM  
just 2 days after a use by date i noticed a moldy substance on some food..
so i will keep a good eye on my food for quite some time.
i will not give the name and will continue to use the product (junk food that i can't live without)
 
2013-09-19 02:53:39 PM  

Russ1642: DerAppie: Anything before the date is good 99.999% of the time (packaging errors/damaged packaging might still cause it to spoil). After the date? Don't be a pussy. Your ancestors imported spices to deal with the less-than-fresh taste of foods that were just over the peak. Learn from the past.

They also died of dysentery on the Oregon trail.


Could be worse, they broke a leg and we put them down...

/also hunted for more meat then they could carry back to the wagon, you know, just cause it was fun to shoot tons of shiat
 
2013-09-19 02:55:30 PM  
"Use by" dates do have a purpose. On a tour with a friends band years ago, we stopped in a little town in northern California to stock up on road munchies and beer. Several people bought those nasty prepackaged sandwiches that all those places seem to have. When we opened them, they were this awful green color with mold and shiat, so folks checked the "sell by" date on them, and they were literally over a month past due. We took them back into the store and the dude refused to refund our money because the packages were opened. So things started getting nasty and loud. He called the cops. Cops showed up, and we showed them the packages.

Meanwhile, the storekeeper's wife or whoever was in the back of the coolers pulling all the other stuff off the shelves as fast as she could. Cop does a little investigation in the garbage and found out that nearly every food item in the store was at least a couple weeks past the sell-by date and told this greasy little prick to give us back our money. Meanwhile, he's screaming at the cops to arrest us for shoplifting and all sorts of other crap, trying to convince him that we just tried to rob him and such. Cop tells us to leave, and that he was closing the store on an emergency health basis because the store was where the cops had been getting their own road munchies for years.

There is a reason for those expiration dates. I make sure to check all of them now.
 
2013-09-19 02:55:57 PM  
If you see a tin can swelled up like a water balloon, nuke it form orbit. Just to be sure...
 
2013-09-19 02:57:08 PM  

TheAnusThatAteManhattan: Russ1642: Jim_Callahan: OK, so let's swap from pasteurization to irradiation treatments (x-ray exposure) as the standard sterilization.  That'll, what, triple the expiration dates on food so we can ship it everywhere?

Oh, wait, farking anti-nuclear conspiracy theorist morons like the people running MNN have shat on anything with the word 'radiation' in it so that we can't have nice things.  How unfortunate.

I think most food irradiation is done with gamma sources (not that there's a physical difference from x-rays). I've had nutters explain to me that microwave ovens leave radiation in food so unless you change the education system in the US you'll never get the people to understand it.

It's worse than that even.  I've talked with science and engineering majors who won't use wifi because it's radiation and can cause cancer.  Oy vey.


I've seen it go full retard. I used to work at a small nuclear reactor. The nutcases would get headaches and dizziness just by being in our lab, even when the reactor was off and there was next to nothing radiactive sitting around, and the reactor itself was a couple floors beneath them at the bottom of a deep pool. No matter how much you tried to explain it to them they just couldn't handle seeing all those radioactive warning stickers on everything. They'd probably throw up if they came within three feet of a biohazard sticker.
 
2013-09-19 02:57:52 PM  

Deathfrogg: "Use by" dates do have a purpose. On a tour with a friends band years ago, we stopped in a little town in northern California to stock up on road munchies and beer. Several people bought those nasty prepackaged sandwiches that all those places seem to have. When we opened them, they were this awful green color with mold and shiat, so folks checked the "sell by" date on them, and they were literally over a month past due. We took them back into the store and the dude refused to refund our money because the packages were opened. So things started getting nasty and loud. He called the cops. Cops showed up, and we showed them the packages.

Meanwhile, the storekeeper's wife or whoever was in the back of the coolers pulling all the other stuff off the shelves as fast as she could. Cop does a little investigation in the garbage and found out that nearly every food item in the store was at least a couple weeks past the sell-by date and told this greasy little prick to give us back our money. Meanwhile, he's screaming at the cops to arrest us for shoplifting and all sorts of other crap, trying to convince him that we just tried to rob him and such. Cop tells us to leave, and that he was closing the store on an emergency health basis because the store was where the cops had been getting their own road munchies for years.

There is a reason for those expiration dates. I make sure to check all of them now.


Did you get your money back?
 
2013-09-19 02:59:08 PM  
The statistics of food waste are staggering. It's estimated that a family of four throws away $2,275 each year in food.

I'm sure I was throwing that amount of food away per month at one time. Jesus, I'm a horrible grocery shopper. Finally got tired of seeing good money go down the drain (literally), so now I shop in much smaller increments. Maybe two or max three days worth of meals. I get the smaller sized milk because my son barely touches it, so I'm not tossing a half gallon of milk away every couple of weeks anymore. Instead of cooking a giant pot of spaghetti, I cook smaller portions knowing now that I am NOT going to eat spaghetti everyday for the rest of the week, no matter how much I convince myself that I will. Instead of gettinga satchel of bananas, like I'm expecting Grape Ape for dinner, I just get a few ripe ones so that only one or two are left at the end of the week. Etc.
 
2013-09-19 02:59:24 PM  
How about not buying more food than you're capable of eating before it spoils?  That would help.
 
2013-09-19 03:00:15 PM  

Russ1642: Jim_Callahan: OK, so let's swap from pasteurization to irradiation treatments (x-ray exposure) as the standard sterilization.  That'll, what, triple the expiration dates on food so we can ship it everywhere?

Oh, wait, farking anti-nuclear conspiracy theorist morons like the people running MNN have shat on anything with the word 'radiation' in it so that we can't have nice things.  How unfortunate.

I think most food irradiation is done with gamma sources (not that there's a physical difference from x-rays). I've had nutters explain to me that microwave ovens leave radiation in food so unless you change the education system in the US you'll never get the people to understand it.


I just agree with them, and talk about how sometimes you can actually feel the infrared radiation emitted by something that's been in the microwave.
That usually confuses them.
 
2013-09-19 03:00:57 PM  

LoneVVolf: If you see a tin can swelled up like a water balloon, nuke it form orbit. Just to be sure...


Unless it's surströmming, then you know it's ready
 
2013-09-19 03:01:00 PM  

MythDragon: I'll chance it with everything but milk. If milk says expires 20 Sep, 11:59 on Sep 19th I am pouring that bastard down the sink. (if I'm up. Otherwise it can wait until morning). I drank chunky milk once. Never again.


I like those Listerine breath strips. NEVER eat one of those if it's old. My god. Thankfully there were no guns around cause I'd have gladly eaten a bullet to get that taste out of my mouth.
 
2013-09-19 03:01:12 PM  

Carn: So I guess eat more fresh food and it's less of a problem?


They're the ones that need it most.  I have no idea if the blueberries I get will last 4 days or 14 days.

/have gotten both
//hard as single guy to make it through a whole pack in 4 days if you want some variety in your fruit
 
2013-09-19 03:04:36 PM  

12349876: Carn: So I guess eat more fresh food and it's less of a problem?

They're the ones that need it most.  I have no idea if the blueberries I get will last 4 days or 14 days.

/have gotten both
//hard as single guy to make it through a whole pack in 4 days if you want some variety in your fruit


A whole pack can make it through me in less than four hours.
 
2013-09-19 03:06:06 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: The statistics of food waste are staggering. It's estimated that a family of four throws away $2,275 each year in food.

I'm sure I was throwing that amount of food away per month at one time. Jesus, I'm a horrible grocery shopper. Finally got tired of seeing good money go down the drain (literally), so now I shop in much smaller increments. Maybe two or max three days worth of meals. I get the smaller sized milk because my son barely touches it, so I'm not tossing a half gallon of milk away every couple of weeks anymore. Instead of cooking a giant pot of spaghetti, I cook smaller portions knowing now that I am NOT going to eat spaghetti everyday for the rest of the week, no matter how much I convince myself that I will. Instead of gettinga satchel of bananas, like I'm expecting Grape Ape for dinner, I just get a few ripe ones so that only one or two are left at the end of the week. Etc.


Jesus, my wife and I spend about $5000/year on food.

Mostly I use sell by dates on things like eggs to see how long they are likely to last. If the grocery store is selling eggs with sell by dates a few days away (fark you Randall's), I stay away.

On the other hand I sometimes buy 36 eggs at Costco with sell by dates far in the future. I ate three this morning that were "best by" yesterday. That doesn't worry me.
 
2013-09-19 03:06:11 PM  

Gaseous Anomaly: How else am I supposed to know when my bleu cheese goes bad?


For that matter, what about my sour cream?
 
2013-09-19 03:06:44 PM  

KellyX: Did you get your money back?



Yeah, every penny that was on the receipts. And we got to keep all the Cheetos, Fritos, and Doritoes, the case of cokes, and the beer that we stocked up on. That shiat lasted us all the way to Los Angeles. That band played the very last show ever at CBGB about a year later.
 
2013-09-19 03:07:56 PM  

MythDragon: I'll chance it with everything but milk. If milk says expires 20 Sep, 11:59 on Sep 19th I am pouring that bastard down the sink. (if I'm up. Otherwise it can wait until morning). I drank chunky milk once. Never again.


It's just cottage cheese, innit?

/agrees, cottage cheese is nasty, pour away and stay thirsty, my friend.
 
2013-09-19 03:08:53 PM  
 A place I used to work at years ago had sandwich vending machine, the guy would come every week or two to replenish the machine, tossing the "past" sandwiches in the garbage. Of course we would fish them out and eat them, they were still good. One guy even left them on a table so's not to make us go through the garbage. Then there was this company a** hole guy who would put his thumb through every "past" sandwich before tossing it in the garbage, real hero, it just pissed us off, wonder what his fark handle is?

/prob worst sentence structure on fark(earth)
//any fark phonics major can have at it
 
2013-09-19 03:09:17 PM  

KingKauff: For that matter, what about my sour cream?


I usually figure it'd bad when lots of reddish liquid forms on top, that or it's having a period
 
2013-09-19 03:10:14 PM  

weirdneighbour:  A place I used to work at years ago had sandwich vending machine, the guy would come every week or two to replenish the machine, tossing the "past" sandwiches in the garbage. Of course we would fish them out and eat them, they were still good. One guy even left them on a table so's not to make us go through the garbage. Then there was this company a** hole guy who would put his thumb through every "past" sandwich before tossing it in the garbage, real hero, it just pissed us off, wonder what his fark handle is?

/prob worst sentence structure on fark(earth)
//any fark phonics major can have at it


Do you also eat partially eaten eclairs if they're sitting right on top of the other garbage?
 
2013-09-19 03:11:03 PM  

LoneVVolf: If you see a tin can swelled up like a water balloon, nuke it form orbit. Just to be sure...


Or a glass jar with the popup thingy pushed out
 
2013-09-19 03:12:50 PM  

YixilTesiphon: DROxINxTHExWIND: The statistics of food waste are staggering. It's estimated that a family of four throws away $2,275 each year in food.

I'm sure I was throwing that amount of food away per month at one time. Jesus, I'm a horrible grocery shopper. Finally got tired of seeing good money go down the drain (literally), so now I shop in much smaller increments. Maybe two or max three days worth of meals. I get the smaller sized milk because my son barely touches it, so I'm not tossing a half gallon of milk away every couple of weeks anymore. Instead of cooking a giant pot of spaghetti, I cook smaller portions knowing now that I am NOT going to eat spaghetti everyday for the rest of the week, no matter how much I convince myself that I will. Instead of gettinga satchel of bananas, like I'm expecting Grape Ape for dinner, I just get a few ripe ones so that only one or two are left at the end of the week. Etc.

Jesus, my wife and I spend about $5000/year on food.

Mostly I use sell by dates on things like eggs to see how long they are likely to last. If the grocery store is selling eggs with sell by dates a few days away (fark you Randall's), I stay away.

On the other hand I sometimes buy 36 eggs at Costco with sell by dates far in the future. I ate three this morning that were "best by" yesterday. That doesn't worry me.



Just to clarify, I was exaggerating. If I was throwing away $2200/month in food, I have a good support system around me who would try to whip my ass. That kind of stupidity is frowned upon in my circle.
 
2013-09-19 03:15:57 PM  

weirdneighbour: A place I used to work at years ago had sandwich vending machine, the guy would come every week or two to replenish the machine, tossing the "past" sandwiches in the garbage. Of course we would fish them out and eat them, they were still good. One guy even left them on a table so's not to make us go through the garbage. Then there was this company a** hole guy who would put his thumb through every "past" sandwich before tossing it in the garbage, real hero, it just pissed us off, wonder what his fark handle is?


I know that one chip company, which I won't name, policy is to punch a hole through every bag of chips that the route people bring back from the stores if they hit the sell by date before throwing them into the trash bin. I think the idea is to cover their asses, but also to make sure people didn't fish them out and try to resell them.

Brand protection or something I guess.

The chips were still fine too, used to plenty of stales growing up as a kid.
 
2013-09-19 03:16:24 PM  

The Crepes of Wrath: How about not buying more food than you're capable of eating before it spoils?  That would help.


Ilive alone, and thatcan be pretty difficult to do at times, unless I'm willing to eat the same thing three times in a week.
 
2013-09-19 03:16:37 PM  

12349876: Carn: So I guess eat more fresh food and it's less of a problem?

They're the ones that need it most.  I have no idea if the blueberries I get will last 4 days or 14 days.

/have gotten both
//hard as single guy to make it through a whole pack in 4 days if you want some variety in your fruit


Not me, I'm a blueberry monster.  A big pack is usually two days.  I buy them on sale and freeze or just buy frozen cuz I eat them in large amounts.  Go great in breakfast smoothies.  Blueberries are easy though, check the bottom of the pack when you buy and make sure none are smooshed.  If they are any smooshed ones they will go moldy in a day or two and then you have that fun decision of how much mold am I eating?  But honestly I don't hardly see that any more.  They last at least a week or two in the fridge and basically forever if you freeze.  In the fridge they usually get a little white dot of mold/fungus on the bottom when they start to go bad.  Toss those and eat the rest quick.  And I know for a fact I've accidentally eaten some with the little dots and aside from tasting a little funky they won't hurt you.
 
2013-09-19 03:17:03 PM  
And why the fark does using any sort of markup on Fark arbitrarily remove spaces?
 
2013-09-19 03:17:37 PM  
You can thank Al Capone for use by dates on milk.

Well, you can thank the dairy that Al Capone bought with kidnapping ransom payments for use by dates on milk.
 
2013-09-19 03:17:44 PM  
200 years and still good eatin'.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-09-19 03:19:06 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: YixilTesiphon: DROxINxTHExWIND: The statistics of food waste are staggering. It's estimated that a family of four throws away $2,275 each year in food.

I'm sure I was throwing that amount of food away per month at one time. Jesus, I'm a horrible grocery shopper. Finally got tired of seeing good money go down the drain (literally), so now I shop in much smaller increments. Maybe two or max three days worth of meals. I get the smaller sized milk because my son barely touches it, so I'm not tossing a half gallon of milk away every couple of weeks anymore. Instead of cooking a giant pot of spaghetti, I cook smaller portions knowing now that I am NOT going to eat spaghetti everyday for the rest of the week, no matter how much I convince myself that I will. Instead of gettinga satchel of bananas, like I'm expecting Grape Ape for dinner, I just get a few ripe ones so that only one or two are left at the end of the week. Etc.

Jesus, my wife and I spend about $5000/year on food.

Mostly I use sell by dates on things like eggs to see how long they are likely to last. If the grocery store is selling eggs with sell by dates a few days away (fark you Randall's), I stay away.

On the other hand I sometimes buy 36 eggs at Costco with sell by dates far in the future. I ate three this morning that were "best by" yesterday. That doesn't worry me.


Just to clarify, I was exaggerating. If I was throwing away $2200/month in food, I have a good support system around me who would try to whip my ass. That kind of stupidity is frowned upon in my circle.


Everybody should have such a system in place. I have a few friends who need jumped for their financial ways.
 
2013-09-19 03:19:08 PM  
I'm usually brave on expiration dates...except for milk. No way in hell I'm trying it after the expiration date.

I had a bad sour milk episode when I was young. No, not that young.
 
2013-09-19 03:19:55 PM  

weirdneighbour: A place I used to work at years ago had sandwich vending machine, the guy would come every week or two to replenish the machine, tossing the "past" sandwiches in the garbage. Of course we would fish them out and eat them, they were still good. One guy even left them on a table so's not to make us go through the garbage. Then there was this company a** hole guy who would put his thumb through every "past" sandwich before tossing it in the garbage, real hero, it just pissed us off, wonder what his fark handle is?

/prob worst sentence structure on fark(earth)
//any fark phonics major can have at it


I work with this guy who smokes two packs a day and worries about getting sick from BPA in water bottles...
 
2013-09-19 03:19:57 PM  
My roomate drives me nuts. When we shop she buys way too much food. I usually get what I can eat in about a few weeks. She will buy a ton of fresh fruits & veggies and cant eat it fast enough and that stuff turns into sludge in the crisper. The worst was when she "had" to go to the store and she bought jsut a crapton of fresh stuff, then she took off to her BF for three weeks and let the stuff spoil. I took pictures of it before I tossed it so she wouldnt have a fit like she had in the past.
 
2013-09-19 03:21:00 PM  

The Crepes of Wrath: How about not buying more food than you're capable of eating before it spoils?  That would help.


I've been buying more non-perishable items lately, canned food, etc.

Fresh stuff I tend to buy very shortly before planning to use.
 
2013-09-19 03:23:08 PM  

Loaf's Tray: weirdneighbour: A place I used to work at years ago had sandwich vending machine, the guy would come every week or two to replenish the machine, tossing the "past" sandwiches in the garbage. Of course we would fish them out and eat them, they were still good. One guy even left them on a table so's not to make us go through the garbage. Then there was this company a** hole guy who would put his thumb through every "past" sandwich before tossing it in the garbage, real hero, it just pissed us off, wonder what his fark handle is?

/prob worst sentence structure on fark(earth)
//any fark phonics major can have at it

I work with this guy who smokes two packs a day and worries about getting sick from BPA in water bottles...


I got lectured about my getting a flu vaccine by a guy who was a hundred pounds overweight and ate and drank like a trucker. He was genuinely surprised that I didn't die from it within a few days.
 
2013-09-19 03:24:31 PM  

KellyX: LoneVVolf: If you see a tin can swelled up like a water balloon, nuke it form orbit. Just to be sure...

Unless it's surströmming, then you know it's ready


This.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-09-19 03:26:40 PM  
There will never be a system that works as they describe. Few if any item's have a drop dead "no good after" date. I've had milk spoil the day after I bought it, and I've had some smell and taste fine weeks after the date listed. "Use by" or "best by" are just well educated guesses as to when the product might begin to taste less than desirable when compared to a freshly purchased product. It's up to the individual consumer to decide if the product is acceptable for consumption based on these dates.

Bottom line, if I'm the least bit unsure, I'll throw it away. I'm not going to risk food poisoning over the last dollop of mayo in the jar.
 
2013-09-19 03:29:18 PM  

litespeed74: I'm usually brave on expiration dates...except for milk. No way in hell I'm trying it after the expiration date.

I had a bad sour milk episode when I was young. No, not that young.


I remember once when I was about 15, I'd been outside doing yard work all day in the blazing summer sun; I came inside, grabbed the milk from the fridge, and chugged down about a third of the half-gallon carton like Belushi chugging the whiskey in Animal House.  It wasn't chunky or anything, but it wasn't until I paused for air that I actually TASTED what I was drinking - it was something like pizza grease and vinegar.  Checked the date and sure enough, it was about three weeks past; someone must've pulled it out of the back of the fridge without knowing how old it was (we had five kids in the house - always had LOTS of milk).  I never did get sick from it though, never even got the runs...mom said it would've served me right for drinking out of the carton like that anyway.
 
2013-09-19 03:30:06 PM  
It's Meatcake!
 
2013-09-19 03:31:47 PM  

Russ1642: DerAppie: Anything before the date is good 99.999% of the time (packaging errors/damaged packaging might still cause it to spoil). After the date? Don't be a pussy. Your ancestors imported spices to deal with the less-than-fresh taste of foods that were just over the peak. Learn from the past.

They also died of dysentery on the Oregon trail.


Ah, but I learned my history and I'm not going to travel the Oregon trail. Danger averted.
 
2013-09-19 03:31:57 PM  

Loaf's Tray: litespeed74: I'm usually brave on expiration dates...except for milk. No way in hell I'm trying it after the expiration date.

I had a bad sour milk episode when I was young. No, not that young.

I remember once when I was about 15, I'd been outside doing yard work all day in the blazing summer sun; I came inside, grabbed the milk from the fridge, and chugged down about a third of the half-gallon carton like Belushi chugging the whiskey in Animal House.  It wasn't chunky or anything, but it wasn't until I paused for air that I actually TASTED what I was drinking - it was something like pizza grease and vinegar.  Checked the date and sure enough, it was about three weeks past; someone must've pulled it out of the back of the fridge without knowing how old it was (we had five kids in the house - always had LOTS of milk).  I never did get sick from it though, never even got the runs...mom said it would've served me right for drinking out of the carton like that anyway.


I've had that before. Can't remember her name.
 
2013-09-19 03:32:06 PM  

YixilTesiphon: DROxINxTHExWIND: The statistics of food waste are staggering. It's estimated that a family of four throws away $2,275 each year in food.

I'm sure I was throwing that amount of food away per month at one time. Jesus, I'm a horrible grocery shopper. Finally got tired of seeing good money go down the drain (literally), so now I shop in much smaller increments. Maybe two or max three days worth of meals. I get the smaller sized milk because my son barely touches it, so I'm not tossing a half gallon of milk away every couple of weeks anymore. Instead of cooking a giant pot of spaghetti, I cook smaller portions knowing now that I am NOT going to eat spaghetti everyday for the rest of the week, no matter how much I convince myself that I will. Instead of gettinga satchel of bananas, like I'm expecting Grape Ape for dinner, I just get a few ripe ones so that only one or two are left at the end of the week. Etc.

Jesus, my wife and I spend about $5000/year on food.

Mostly I use sell by dates on things like eggs to see how long they are likely to last. If the grocery store is selling eggs with sell by dates a few days away (fark you Randall's), I stay away.

On the other hand I sometimes buy 36 eggs at Costco with sell by dates far in the future. I ate three this morning that were "best by" yesterday. That doesn't worry me.


Look up egg recycling.

Eggs are so shelf stable that it's legal for the store to send them back, at which point they get mixed in with fresh eggs, put in a carton with a new use by date, and sent back to the store.
 
2013-09-19 03:34:10 PM  

Thingster: Look up egg recycling.

Eggs are so shelf stable that it's legal for the store to send them back, at which point they get mixed in with fresh eggs, put in a carton with a new use by date, and sent back to the store.


So use by dates on eggs are functionally meaningless? Delightful.
 
2013-09-19 03:34:51 PM  

Seat's Taken: tuna fingers: I agree with these guys FTFA:
Screw those dates. Arbitrary. Empower yourself and use your senses. Does it look smell or taste gross? No, then eat it!'Use by' is a guideline. Scratch 'n sniff is more effective.  Even more so with pharmaceuticals (within reason).

As someone who has tested pharmaceuticals after 3 years in a controlled "bad" environment (H3/H4 - 40°C 75%RH) I can say that while most will last for decades, you have the problem that a few of them degrade into some nasty chemicals.  Oh, and stay away from acetaminophen if at all possible.


I do stay away from acetaminophen, because it doesn't do shiat for me.  Aspirin (mild) or ibuprofin (more severe) is what I use for pain.  Why do you say that about acetaminophen?

/and I am not alone with Tylenol not doing anything regarding pain.  Many people see no decrease in pain because of it.
 
2013-09-19 03:39:50 PM  

YixilTesiphon: Thingster: Look up egg recycling.

Eggs are so shelf stable that it's legal for the store to send them back, at which point they get mixed in with fresh eggs, put in a carton with a new use by date, and sent back to the store.

So use by dates on eggs are functionally meaningless? Delightful.


I'm going to do a slight backtrack and rephrase after some clarifying research.

This was legal until 2006.

In 2006, it was deemed illegal *if* the egg package carries a (voluntary) USDA grading label.

So the answer is yes or no, depending on if the egg carton has a grading label.
 
2013-09-19 03:40:17 PM  
'Use by' dates contribute to unnessary food waste

until you're lying in the ER waiting to die or for the intern. Either one would be just fine by that time.
idiots

been there done that - should've eaten the Puppy Chow instead of the burger
 
2013-09-19 03:40:47 PM  

YixilTesiphon: Thingster: Look up egg recycling.

Eggs are so shelf stable that it's legal for the store to send them back, at which point they get mixed in with fresh eggs, put in a carton with a new use by date, and sent back to the store.

So use by dates on eggs are functionally meaningless? Delightful.


water test, that's all you need.  Floating eggs, no bueno
 
2013-09-19 03:40:54 PM  

TheAnusThatAteManhattan: Use your nose and eyes like others in the comments said.


Unless you have a compromised immune system the human body is well evolved in order to be able to tell what's bad and what's not bad.  If it tastes funky, don't eat it.

Russ1642: I know someone that worked at a Real Canadian Stupidstore. They would regularly leave milk and eggs unrefrigerated for days at a time.


Eggs are fine, as is the super-pasteurized and sealed milk; normally pasteurized milk standard here in the states has to be refrigerated to keep it from going bad 'quickly'.
 
2013-09-19 03:42:14 PM  

Thingster: YixilTesiphon: DROxINxTHExWIND: The statistics of food waste are staggering. It's estimated that a family of four throws away $2,275 each year in food.

I'm sure I was throwing that amount of food away per month at one time. Jesus, I'm a horrible grocery shopper. Finally got tired of seeing good money go down the drain (literally), so now I shop in much smaller increments. Maybe two or max three days worth of meals. I get the smaller sized milk because my son barely touches it, so I'm not tossing a half gallon of milk away every couple of weeks anymore. Instead of cooking a giant pot of spaghetti, I cook smaller portions knowing now that I am NOT going to eat spaghetti everyday for the rest of the week, no matter how much I convince myself that I will. Instead of gettinga satchel of bananas, like I'm expecting Grape Ape for dinner, I just get a few ripe ones so that only one or two are left at the end of the week. Etc.

Jesus, my wife and I spend about $5000/year on food.

Mostly I use sell by dates on things like eggs to see how long they are likely to last. If the grocery store is selling eggs with sell by dates a few days away (fark you Randall's), I stay away.

On the other hand I sometimes buy 36 eggs at Costco with sell by dates far in the future. I ate three this morning that were "best by" yesterday. That doesn't worry me.

Look up egg recycling.

Eggs are so shelf stable that it's legal for the store to send them back, at which point they get mixed in with fresh eggs, put in a carton with a new use by date, and sent back to the store.



This is information that I do not need. Much like the pink sludge story from a few years ago. I don't want to know how much rat feces is acceptable in my oatmeal. I don't want to know
 
2013-09-19 03:43:28 PM  
TheAnusThatAteManhattan: It's worse than that even. I've talked with science and engineering majors who won't use wifi because it's radiation and can cause cancer. Oy vey.

I know someone with multiple degrees (including several masters), that won't use a microwave.

// none of the degrees are in science related areas

// even tons of education can't wash away decades of built up cultural superstition.
 
2013-09-19 03:46:21 PM  

Firethorn: TheAnusThatAteManhattan: Use your nose and eyes like others in the comments said.

Unless you have a compromised immune system the human body is well evolved in order to be able to tell what's bad and what's not bad.  If it tastes funky, don't eat it.

Russ1642: I know someone that worked at a Real Canadian Stupidstore. They would regularly leave milk and eggs unrefrigerated for days at a time.

Eggs are fine, as is the super-pasteurized and sealed milk; normally pasteurized milk standard here in the states has to be refrigerated to keep it from going bad 'quickly'.


Agree on the eggs. I only refrigerate eggs for a while before cooking them certain ways. Milk should always be refrigerated, I've lapsed on that rule and died several times as a result.
 
2013-09-19 03:46:24 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: The statistics of food waste are staggering. It's estimated that a family of four throws away $2,275 each year in food.

I'm sure I was throwing that amount of food away per month at one time. Jesus, I'm a horrible grocery shopper. Finally got tired of seeing good money go down the drain (literally), so now I shop in much smaller increments. Maybe two or max three days worth of meals. I get the smaller sized milk because my son barely touches it, so I'm not tossing a half gallon of milk away every couple of weeks anymore. Instead of cooking a giant pot of spaghetti, I cook smaller portions knowing now that I am NOT going to eat spaghetti everyday for the rest of the week, no matter how much I convince myself that I will. Instead of gettinga satchel of bananas, like I'm expecting Grape Ape for dinner, I just get a few ripe ones so that only one or two are left at the end of the week. Etc.


I've learned that it doesn't pay to buy a month's worth of veggies at a time as well. We still bulk up on cans, etc once a month, as I only get paid monthly. But, I'm happy to stop by the store for fresh produce every few days.

I've also learned that even tho Costco produce is usually good, most of it ends up wasted.
 
2013-09-19 03:47:29 PM  
That's actually really bad advice for the elderly. Their immune systems are much weaker than your average adult and can't handle the added bacteria that most expired food has.

/most elderly people shouldn't eat leftovers for that reason as well.
 
2013-09-19 03:50:15 PM  
I am very careful with food waste.  I usually don't have much to throw away, but I make sure I know what needs to be used.  Occasionally, I have to throw away produce, but since I get that at the 99 cent only store, I don't feel that guilty.  I do make sure to check dates on refrigerated items like eggs and yogurt at the 99 cent only store though.
 
Ant
2013-09-19 03:50:42 PM  
I only worry about use by dates if it's a food that could possibly make someone really sick if it was bad.
 
2013-09-19 03:55:09 PM  

ReapTheChaos: There will never be a system that works as they describe. Few if any item's have a drop dead "no good after" date. I've had milk spoil the day after I bought it, and I've had some smell and taste fine weeks after the date listed. "Use by" or "best by" are just well educated guesses as to when the product might begin to taste less than desirable when compared to a freshly purchased product. It's up to the individual consumer to decide if the product is acceptable for consumption based on these dates.



My rule of thumb:
"Use by"  = within 2 days after
"Best by" = within a week after
"Sell by"  = within 2 weeks after

/always double check before digging in or tossing, though
 
2013-09-19 03:57:31 PM  

TheChaosPath: KellyX: LoneVVolf: If you see a tin can swelled up like a water balloon, nuke it form orbit. Just to be sure...

Unless it's surströmming, then you know it's ready

This.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 280x299]


well I learned something today.  Is that shiat as nasty as its description?  MMM rotten fish.
 
2013-09-19 03:59:52 PM  

neritz: ReapTheChaos: There will never be a system that works as they describe. Few if any item's have a drop dead "no good after" date. I've had milk spoil the day after I bought it, and I've had some smell and taste fine weeks after the date listed. "Use by" or "best by" are just well educated guesses as to when the product might begin to taste less than desirable when compared to a freshly purchased product. It's up to the individual consumer to decide if the product is acceptable for consumption based on these dates.


My rule of thumb:
"Use by"  = within 2 days after
"Best by" = within a week after
"Sell by"  = within 2 weeks after

/always double check before digging in or tossing, though


That doesn't make any sense.  The "best by" is usually on highly processed and packaged stuff like Oreos which could go 12 months after that date easy.
 
2013-09-19 04:02:54 PM  

tuna fingers: neritz: ReapTheChaos: There will never be a system that works as they describe. Few if any item's have a drop dead "no good after" date. I've had milk spoil the day after I bought it, and I've had some smell and taste fine weeks after the date listed. "Use by" or "best by" are just well educated guesses as to when the product might begin to taste less than desirable when compared to a freshly purchased product. It's up to the individual consumer to decide if the product is acceptable for consumption based on these dates.


My rule of thumb:
"Use by"  = within 2 days after
"Best by" = within a week after
"Sell by"  = within 2 weeks after

/always double check before digging in or tossing, though

That doesn't make any sense.  The "best by" is usually on highly processed and packaged stuff like Oreos which could go 12 months after that date easy.


Hence, the reason for the double check disclaimer.  Some shiat just lasts forever.
 
2013-09-19 04:06:36 PM  
Make "sell by" dates invisible to the consumer. Those dates are guidelines for stores, not consumers.They already do this with bread. The color of the twist-tie or closure-tag indicates to the delivery person when that particular batch is due to be pulled from the shelf. Here, it generally goes to a food bank or homeless organization after that. It's still good, just not for as long.
 
2013-09-19 04:07:29 PM  

Carn: TheChaosPath: KellyX: LoneVVolf: If you see a tin can swelled up like a water balloon, nuke it form orbit. Just to be sure...

Unless it's surströmming, then you know it's ready

This.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 280x299]

well I learned something today.  Is that shiat as nasty as its description?  MMM rotten fish.


At least its canned rotten fish. Icelanders just bury sharks in dirt for a few months or weeks or however long it takes for the flesh to turn into a gelatinous goo.
 
2013-09-19 04:07:51 PM  

Seat's Taken: tuna fingers: I agree with these guys FTFA:
Screw those dates. Arbitrary. Empower yourself and use your senses. Does it look smell or taste gross? No, then eat it!'Use by' is a guideline. Scratch 'n sniff is more effective.  Even more so with pharmaceuticals (within reason).

As someone who has tested pharmaceuticals after 3 years in a controlled "bad" environment (H3/H4 - 40°C 75%RH) I can say that while most will last for decades, you have the problem that a few of them degrade into some nasty chemicals.  Oh, and stay away from acetaminophen if at all possible.


OK, I will bite... Why no acetaminophen?  I thought it was the new go-to drug once aspirin started killin kids with fevers or some other BS?
 
2013-09-19 04:16:36 PM  
Single male, severe adult ADHD, and love cooking. Horrible mix when it comes to waste. I am now on a budget so have to buy mostly frozen bachelor chow thanks to the price of fresh food here in Canada. I truly believe it is cheaper to eat at subway than cook for my lonesome a decent variety of meals.
 
2013-09-19 04:17:32 PM  

buckler: Make "sell by" dates invisible to the consumer. Those dates are guidelines for stores, not consumers.They already do this with bread. The color of the twist-tie or closure-tag indicates to the delivery person when that particular batch is due to be pulled from the shelf. Here, it generally goes to a food bank or homeless organization after that. It's still good, just not for as long.


How about the opposite. That way when I stop by the convenience store that doesn't have high turnover I can see that the Chips Ahoy's are four years old already.
 
2013-09-19 04:18:56 PM  

purplegiraffe: Seat's Taken: tuna fingers: I agree with these guys FTFA:
Screw those dates. Arbitrary. Empower yourself and use your senses. Does it look smell or taste gross? No, then eat it!'Use by' is a guideline. Scratch 'n sniff is more effective.  Even more so with pharmaceuticals (within reason).

As someone who has tested pharmaceuticals after 3 years in a controlled "bad" environment (H3/H4 - 40°C 75%RH) I can say that while most will last for decades, you have the problem that a few of them degrade into some nasty chemicals.  Oh, and stay away from acetaminophen if at all possible.

OK, I will bite... Why no acetaminophen?  I thought it was the new go-to drug once aspirin started killin kids with fevers or some other BS?


I don't know about freshness effects, but people are getting concerned that acetaminophen can fark up one's liver if used enough/too much. I remember reading in the alt.suicide.holiday methods FAQ long ago, the side effects of ODing on it (method advantage: cheap and easy to get one's hands on. disadvantage: many painful days long).
 
2013-09-19 04:19:37 PM  
I really couldn't find the right pic..

www.popmommy.com

but, the lady from WI that hoarded food.  That lady ate stuff that was over 2 years old.  We need moar food hoarders!
 
2013-09-19 04:22:45 PM  
I haven't noticed if someone else said this, but the sell by dates (for most companies) are intentionally short.
 
2013-09-19 04:23:28 PM  

Petit_Merdeux: It's Meatcake!


Came for this.  Surprised it took this far into the thread!
There's a bigger responsibility, and that is getting into that refrigerator and deciding which things need to be thrown away. Most peoplewill not take that responsibility. Most people will just go and get what they want, leave everything else alone, and say, 'Well, someone else wants that. Someone else will eat that.' Meanwhile, the thing is getting smaller, and smaller, and smaller...and is, in fact, stuck to the rack.

Well, I've gotta' go in there and decide when to throw things away. 'Chocolate pudding, does anyone want this last chocolate pudding? I have just one chocolate pudding left, it's only pulled away from the side of the dish about three inches all the way around...and there's a huge fault running through the center of the pudding. Actually, it's nothing but a ball of skin at this point. Does anyone want a ball of fault-ridden chocolate pudding skin, I'm only going to throw it away.'

Do people do that with you? Offer you some food that, if you don't eat it,they're only going to 'throw it away' Well, doesn't that make you feel dandy?'Here's some something to eat, Dave, hurry up, it's spoiling....something for you, Angela, eat quickly, that green pod is moving...here Bob, eat this before I give it to an animal.'"

"You ever been looking through the refrigerator, and you come across an empty plate? Boy, that starts me to wondering. DID SOMETHING EAT SOMETHING ELSE?!?! WHOA...MAYBE THE OLIVES ATE THE TUNA...MAYBE THAT CHICKEN ISN'T REALLY DEAD YET. Actually, I picture a little mouse with gloves and a parka on, you know, just waiting for the lights to go out."

 "Perhaps the worst thing that can happen is to reach into the refrigerator and come out with something that you cannot identify...at all. You literally do not know what it is! Could be meat...could be cake. Usually, at a time like this, I'll bluff:'Honey, is this good?''Well, what is it?''I don't know...I've never seen anything like it. It looks like...MEATCAKE!''Well, smell it!''(sniff)-ah, (sniff)-ah...it has absolutely no smell whatsoever!''It's good!'
 
2013-09-19 04:23:34 PM  

Russ1642: buckler: Make "sell by" dates invisible to the consumer. Those dates are guidelines for stores, not consumers.They already do this with bread. The color of the twist-tie or closure-tag indicates to the delivery person when that particular batch is due to be pulled from the shelf. Here, it generally goes to a food bank or homeless organization after that. It's still good, just not for as long.

How about the opposite. That way when I stop by the convenience store that doesn't have high turnover I can see that the Chips Ahoy's are four years old already.


And that's when the "best by" date would be printed on the package. I think, in a roundabout way, the author is saying that people confuse the "sell by" date (after which the product is good for a significant amount of time), and the "best by" date (after which the product may continue to be good for quite a long time, but just not as tasty. For example, hot jarred horseradish will lose its kick after a couple months, but is still perfectly fine to eat).
 
2013-09-19 04:24:27 PM  

purplegiraffe: Seat's Taken: tuna fingers: I agree with these guys FTFA:
Screw those dates. Arbitrary. Empower yourself and use your senses. Does it look smell or taste gross? No, then eat it!'Use by' is a guideline. Scratch 'n sniff is more effective.  Even more so with pharmaceuticals (within reason).

As someone who has tested pharmaceuticals after 3 years in a controlled "bad" environment (H3/H4 - 40°C 75%RH) I can say that while most will last for decades, you have the problem that a few of them degrade into some nasty chemicals.  Oh, and stay away from acetaminophen if at all possible.

OK, I will bite... Why no acetaminophen?  I thought it was the new go-to drug once aspirin started killin kids with fevers or some other BS?


I don't know about it spoiling, but it can be really hard on your liver.  There are new drug labeling laws because people were accidentally overdosing and going into liver failure.  Oh, and if you drink at all more than a token beer now and again, def be careful with it.
 
2013-09-19 04:25:31 PM  

Gaseous Anomaly: How else am I supposed to know when my bleu cheese goes bad?


I'm a fan of Gorgonzola, which is similar enough. After to long, it starts to develop a slightly sour smell in plastic bag where I keep it, the surface can go from white to slightly yellowish, and, after a while, fuzzy mold can develop. Still, aside from the smell, it takes a discerning eye.

I don't know why spoiled milk can wreak havoc on my intestines when this doesn't.
 
2013-09-19 04:27:05 PM  
So wait... the food companies put dates on their products that limit the amount of time between trips to the grocery store to buy the same product? UNPOSSIBLE!!!!!!1!!1!

Lots of people seem to not fark around with milk.  That's funny to me since it's the item that is most accomodating about telling you when it's bad by its smell.
 
2013-09-19 04:28:00 PM  

Thudfark: Carn: TheChaosPath: KellyX: LoneVVolf: If you see a tin can swelled up like a water balloon, nuke it form orbit. Just to be sure...

Unless it's surströmming, then you know it's ready

This.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 280x299]

well I learned something today.  Is that shiat as nasty as its description?  MMM rotten fish.

At least its canned rotten fish. Icelanders just bury sharks in dirt for a few months or weeks or however long it takes for the flesh to turn into a gelatinous goo.


I laughed entirely too hard at this.

/Been stuck in meetings all-day meetings all week, getting kind of punch drunk
 
2013-09-19 04:28:04 PM  

ReapTheChaos: There will never be a system that works as they describe. Few if any item's have a drop dead "no good after" date. I've had milk spoil the day after I bought it, and I've had some smell and taste fine weeks after the date listed. "Use by" or "best by" are just well educated guesses as to when the product might begin to taste less than desirable when compared to a freshly purchased product. It's up to the individual consumer to decide if the product is acceptable for consumption based on these dates.

Bottom line, if I'm the least bit unsure, I'll throw it away. I'm not going to risk food poisoning over the last dollop of mayo in the jar.


Milk...cream, just have to try it at the grocery store first.

pulmyears.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-19 04:30:03 PM  
www.turkeycreekshopping.com

And other businesses like it, including the vending businesses, waste more food in one day than an average person will all year.

They're the real culprit.

/bonus, most of them will fire you if you try to take home anything they told you to throw out
 
JVD
2013-09-19 04:39:54 PM  
I don't really go by the dates on anything. Look, sniff, and if it passes, take a bite. If tastes fine then I eat it. Dry goods are indefinitely good as far as I'm concerned.
Craziest thing is eggs though. I've eaten eggs that say they are a Month passed, but they still pass the sink/float test.
 
2013-09-19 04:40:01 PM  

Seat's Taken: tuna fingers: I agree with these guys FTFA:
Screw those dates. Arbitrary. Empower yourself and use your senses. Does it look smell or taste gross? No, then eat it!'Use by' is a guideline. Scratch 'n sniff is more effective.  Even more so with pharmaceuticals (within reason).

As someone who has tested pharmaceuticals after 3 years in a controlled "bad" environment (H3/H4 - 40°C 75%RH) I can say that while most will last for decades, you have the problem that a few of them degrade into some nasty chemicals.  Oh, and stay away from acetaminophen if at all possible.


Word on acetaminophen. That poison should not be available to people period. Incredibly dangerous drug for drinkers and people who tend to over medicate themselves.

/Need my liver as intact as possible for many more years of gregarious alcohol abuse

=]
 
2013-09-19 04:44:19 PM  

Deathfrogg: "Use by" dates do have a purpose. On a tour with a friends band years ago, we stopped in a little town in northern California to stock up on road munchies and beer. Several people bought those nasty prepackaged sandwiches that all those places seem to have. When we opened them, they were this awful green color with mold and shiat, so folks checked the "sell by" date on them, and they were literally over a month past due. We took them back into the store and the dude refused to refund our money because the packages were opened. So things started getting nasty and loud. He called the cops. Cops showed up, and we showed them the packages.

Meanwhile, the storekeeper's wife or whoever was in the back of the coolers pulling all the other stuff off the shelves as fast as she could. Cop does a little investigation in the garbage and found out that nearly every food item in the store was at least a couple weeks past the sell-by date and told this greasy little prick to give us back our money. Meanwhile, he's screaming at the cops to arrest us for shoplifting and all sorts of other crap, trying to convince him that we just tried to rob him and such. Cop tells us to leave, and that he was closing the store on an emergency health basis because the store was where the cops had been getting their own road munchies for years.

There is a reason for those expiration dates. I make sure to check all of them now.


Obviously meat and dairy have a short lifespan. A box of Cap'n Crunch? Not so much. It just starts getting a stale taste eventually. It doesn't send you to the ER in diarrhea/vomit purgatory.
 
2013-09-19 04:47:04 PM  

MythDragon: I'll chance it with everything but milk. If milk says expires 20 Sep, 11:59 on Sep 19th I am pouring that bastard down the sink. (if I'm up. Otherwise it can wait until morning). I drank chunky milk once. Never again.


This is why civilized Farkers pour their milk into a glass before they drink it. The chunk test.

=]
 
2013-09-19 04:51:36 PM  

Soulcatcher: Obviously meat and dairy have a short lifespan. A box of Cap'n Crunch? Not so much. It just starts getting a stale taste eventually. It doesn't send you to the ER in diarrhea/vomit purgatory.


Depending on the meat, but when frozen it can usually last several months if not a year or more.


dustygrimp: Lots of people seem to not fark around with milk.  That's funny to me since it's the item that is most accomodating about telling you when it's bad by its smell.


Tip: don't just open a bottle of milk and smell it. Pour some into a cup and smell that. The milk film around the lid can be soured but the actual milk can still be good.
 
2013-09-19 04:56:26 PM  

Burning_Monk: Soulcatcher: Obviously meat and dairy have a short lifespan. A box of Cap'n Crunch? Not so much. It just starts getting a stale taste eventually. It doesn't send you to the ER in diarrhea/vomit purgatory.

Depending on the meat, but when frozen it can usually last several months if not a year or more.


dustygrimp: Lots of people seem to not fark around with milk.  That's funny to me since it's the item that is most accomodating about telling you when it's bad by its smell.

Tip: don't just open a bottle of milk and smell it. Pour some into a cup and smell that. The milk film around the lid can be soured but the actual milk can still be good.


Same with bread. Cut off the moldy bits and it's fine. Last year I saved almost $8 doing this.
 
2013-09-19 04:58:44 PM  

Burning_Monk: Soulcatcher: Obviously meat and dairy have a short lifespan. A box of Cap'n Crunch? Not so much. It just starts getting a stale taste eventually. It doesn't send you to the ER in diarrhea/vomit purgatory.

Depending on the meat, but when frozen it can usually last several months if not a year or more.


dustygrimp: Lots of people seem to not fark around with milk.  That's funny to me since it's the item that is most accomodating about telling you when it's bad by its smell.

Tip: don't just open a bottle of milk and smell it. Pour some into a cup and smell that. The milk film around the lid can be soured but the actual milk can still be good.


Frozen meat doesn't really go bad either, just loses taste.  I cooked a turkey that had been in the freezer too long (about a year and a half I think) and it was edible, just not very good at all.  I took all the meat off the carcass and made turkey chili and turkey casserole with it and those were awesome.
 
2013-09-19 05:09:10 PM  

Russ1642: Same with bread. Cut off the moldy bits and it's fine. Last year I saved almost $8 doing this.


Hey!  That's a six pack of shiatty beer!
 
2013-09-19 05:13:54 PM  

Soulcatcher: MythDragon: I'll chance it with everything but milk. If milk says expires 20 Sep, 11:59 on Sep 19th I am pouring that bastard down the sink. (if I'm up. Otherwise it can wait until morning). I drank chunky milk once. Never again.

This is why civilized Farkers pour their milk into a glass before they drink it. The chunk test.


A glass? You mean those things I use to hold liquor and ice? Then it will get dirty. Why make extra work for myself when milk, coke and juice are already nice and cold in their own beverage container?
 
2013-09-19 05:21:27 PM  

litespeed74: I'm usually brave on expiration dates...except for milk. No way in hell I'm trying it after the expiration date.

I had a bad sour milk episode when I was young. No, not that young.


Someone who understands.
Asian Chili sauce that expired two years ago? Still fine
4 year old peeps? Candy doesn't go bad.
Chocolate from 1989? probably still good.
Milk expires today? Down the sink with you, farker.
 
2013-09-19 05:23:23 PM  

Soulcatcher: MythDragon: I'll chance it with everything but milk. If milk says expires 20 Sep, 11:59 on Sep 19th I am pouring that bastard down the sink. (if I'm up. Otherwise it can wait until morning). I drank chunky milk once. Never again.

This is why civilized Farkers pour their milk into a glass before they drink it. The chunk test.

=]


Straight up from the teat.
 
2013-09-19 05:26:18 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: [www.turkeycreekshopping.com image 350x263]

And other businesses like it, including the vending businesses, waste more food in one day than an average person will all year.

They're the real culprit.

/bonus, most of them will fire you if you try to take home anything they told you to throw out


They're scared of the lawsuits, which makes me ask why they can't just have people sign a waiver. I worked at a club for a while and every Sunday I got to take home some of the fried chicken they had on special that never sold.
 
2013-09-19 05:38:28 PM  

Russ1642: weirdneighbour:  A place I used to work at years ago had sandwich vending machine, the guy would come every week or two to replenish the machine, tossing the "past" sandwiches in the garbage. Of course we would fish them out and eat them, they were still good. One guy even left them on a table so's not to make us go through the garbage. Then there was this company a** hole guy who would put his thumb through every "past" sandwich before tossing it in the garbage, real hero, it just pissed us off, wonder what his fark handle is?

/prob worst sentence structure on fark(earth)
//any fark phonics major can have at it

Do you also eat partially eaten eclairs if they're sitting right on top of the other garbage?


If I think no one is looking.
 
2013-09-19 05:45:41 PM  
Y'all think you're being clever with your "The dates mean nothing!" nonsense.

I don't go by dates, and I probably throw out more food than anyone else. If anything even trips my "might be going bad" sensor, it gets trashed. I have thrown out brand new loaves of bread because the flour spots look too much like mold spots.

/I am way more paranoid than Best Before dates.
 
2013-09-19 06:22:29 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: The statistics of food waste are staggering. It's estimated that a family of four throws away $2,275 each year in food.

I'm sure I was throwing that amount of food away per month at one time. Jesus, I'm a horrible grocery shopper. Finally got tired of seeing good money go down the drain (literally), so now I shop in much smaller increments. Maybe two or max three days worth of meals. I get the smaller sized milk because my son barely touches it, so I'm not tossing a half gallon of milk away every couple of weeks anymore. Instead of cooking a giant pot of spaghetti, I cook smaller portions knowing now that I am NOT going to eat spaghetti everyday for the rest of the week, no matter how much I convince myself that I will. Instead of gettinga satchel of bananas, like I'm expecting Grape Ape for dinner, I just get a few ripe ones so that only one or two are left at the end of the week. Etc.


For me, I order my groceries through peapod.   I must save $100/week at a minimum just by avoiding impulse buys.  It also forces me to think ahead with my meal planning.
 
2013-09-19 06:36:57 PM  

kim jong-un: For me, I order my groceries through peapod.   I must save $100/week at a minimum just by avoiding impulse buys.  It also forces me to think ahead with my meal planning.


That sounds quite lame.
 
2013-09-19 06:55:22 PM  

kim jong-un: For me, I order my groceries through peapod.   I must save $100/week at a minimum just by avoiding impulse buys.  It also forces me to think ahead with my meal planning.


You can impulse buy shopping online as easily as you can in a store. Also, how the fark do you spend $100 a week on impulse buys at a grocery store? I don't spend that much on groceries per week to begin with. My idea of an impulse buy is picking up a tub of ice cream or some Oreo cookies.

This reminds me of those people who say never go grocery shopping hungry because you buy more than you need. If I go to the grocery store and I'm NOT hungry, I come home and a day later I realize I didn't buy a damn thing to eat. I need to be hungry to shop, otherwise nothing sounds good at the time.
 
2013-09-19 06:58:48 PM  

ReapTheChaos: kim jong-un: For me, I order my groceries through peapod.   I must save $100/week at a minimum just by avoiding impulse buys.  It also forces me to think ahead with my meal planning.

You can impulse buy shopping online as easily as you can in a store. Also, how the fark do you spend $100 a week on impulse buys at a grocery store?


You have obviously never bought decent meat in a Finnish store.
 
2013-09-19 07:02:16 PM  

Thudfark: ReapTheChaos: kim jong-un: For me, I order my groceries through peapod.   I must save $100/week at a minimum just by avoiding impulse buys.  It also forces me to think ahead with my meal planning.

You can impulse buy shopping online as easily as you can in a store. Also, how the fark do you spend $100 a week on impulse buys at a grocery store?

You have obviously never bought decent meat in a Finnish store.


I don't consider meat an impulse buy, I call that groceries.
 
2013-09-19 07:03:29 PM  
I've used milk up to a week past the date but of course I do the sniff test. I've had milk go bad before the date too so you never know. My inlaws are nuts with canned goods. They have shiat in their pantry that expired ten years ago and will eat it. I won't go that far. You can't smell botulism.
 
2013-09-19 07:09:43 PM  
I just love it when the milk is spoiled three days before the "use by" date , even though I keep my fridge at chilly beer temp . Yum !
 
2013-09-19 07:13:13 PM  

ReapTheChaos: Thudfark: ReapTheChaos: kim jong-un: For me, I order my groceries through peapod.   I must save $100/week at a minimum just by avoiding impulse buys.  It also forces me to think ahead with my meal planning.

You can impulse buy shopping online as easily as you can in a store. Also, how the fark do you spend $100 a week on impulse buys at a grocery store?

You have obviously never bought decent meat in a Finnish store.

I don't consider meat an impulse buy, I call that groceries.


I did say decent meat. Rump roast is well over 12 euros a kilo. Prime cuts go for 20-30 per kilo.
 
2013-09-19 07:13:35 PM  

groppet: My roomate drives me nuts. When we shop she buys way too much food. I usually get what I can eat in about a few weeks. She will buy a ton of fresh fruits & veggies and cant eat it fast enough and that stuff turns into sludge in the crisper. The worst was when she "had" to go to the store and she bought jsut a crapton of fresh stuff, then she took off to her BF for three weeks and let the stuff spoil. I took pictures of it before I tossed it so she wouldnt have a fit like she had in the past.


She must be a slow learner.  If fresh produce matters at all to you, don't buy a weeks worth at a time.  Instead buy two days worth at the most.  I have gotten in the habit of buying meals almost daily, sometimes up to three days out at the most.  Rarely do we worry about produce going bad, and we even will buy marked down salad mixes that is on its last day.  Some cultures already do this, yet Americans can act like such spoiled brats when it comes to doing what they want without any planning.  Spontaneity has a price, you don't plan, you plan to fail.  Once, I overheard someone saying they needed milk with a certain date, so as to still have good milk in the fridge when they returned from a trip.  Here's an idea, plan on hitting the store when you get back.  Of course, if she didn't mind leaving the food behind like that, it would makes sense to just offer you the food.

We sometimes struggle with using up leftovers, but it helps not to buy lunch items so it forces the kids to use up the leftovers.  The kids baffle me with how they will tell us how good dinner was, and then ignore the leftovers for days if we didn't say anything.  They get the, "You loved it the first time, what's the matter with it now" speech.
 
2013-09-19 07:37:42 PM  
RY28: I just love it when the milk is spoiled three days before the "use by" date , even though I keep my fridge at chilly beer temp . Yum !

I switched to almond milk, because I only used whole white milk for cereal, which I eat sporadically.

// I would eat a bowl of cereal, and the rest of the milk would spoil before I got the hankering for cereal again.

// Bonus, the almond milk doesn't even require refrigeration until it's opened.

// I'm not even quite sure when opened almond milk actually spoils. The recommendation is just a few days (silk says 7-10 days), but I think that recommendation is pure bullshiat because I've had quarts sitting around for much longer with no noticeable drop in quality whatsoever. So I'm still scratching my head as to what almond milk looks/smells like when it goes bad.
 
2013-09-19 07:43:01 PM  
lack of warmth: "You loved it the first time, what's the matter with it now" speech.

Some foods don't make it through the fridge that well.

// you should see some of the shiat I go through to properly re-heat some foods (ex, you can't just nuke a slice of pizza, it will come out all soggy, so I nuke it for a bit (to warm it up), then I throw that sucker in a cast iron pan to make the crust crispy again.)
 
2013-09-19 08:31:49 PM  

lordargent: RY28: I just love it when the milk is spoiled three days before the "use by" date , even though I keep my fridge at chilly beer temp . Yum !

I switched to almond milk, because I only used whole white milk for cereal, which I eat sporadically.

// I would eat a bowl of cereal, and the rest of the milk would spoil before I got the hankering for cereal again.

// Bonus, the almond milk doesn't even require refrigeration until it's opened.

// I'm not even quite sure when opened almond milk actually spoils. The recommendation is just a few days (silk says 7-10 days), but I think that recommendation is pure bullshiat because I've had quarts sitting around for much longer with no noticeable drop in quality whatsoever. So I'm still scratching my head as to what almond milk looks/smells like when it goes bad.


I buy milk by the half gallon and break it down into 8oz plastic containers, which go in the freezer.

I rarely drink milk, but do cook with it. It's nice always having milk that you know isn't spoiled.
 
2013-09-19 08:42:43 PM  
I find yogurt can last MONTHS beyond the best before date.
 
2013-09-19 09:17:01 PM  

lordargent: lack of warmth: "You loved it the first time, what's the matter with it now" speech.

Some foods don't make it through the fridge that well.

// you should see some of the shiat I go through to properly re-heat some foods (ex, you can't just nuke a slice of pizza, it will come out all soggy, so I nuke it for a bit (to warm it up), then I throw that sucker in a cast iron pan to make the crust crispy again.)


Oh, I make sure they know all the rewarming tricks.  I grew up without a microwave, so nuking isn't the only method to reheat anything.  I've put pizza back in the oven, as many pizza places have reheating directions on the box describing temp and time.  I've shown them how they can even put spaghetti & sauce on the stove, and it looks like I cooked it fresh.  It just takes a little, small amount of water added, medium heat and constant stirring.  They're just lazy when it comes to lunch.  The only time they'll put something on the stove is if they all agreed to eat the same thing, which rarely happens.  My weakness is mac & cheese, as I really don't like rewarmed m&c.  However, my kids love nuked m&c.
 
2013-09-19 09:26:46 PM  
When poison goes out of date, does it become less or more poisonous?
 
2013-09-19 09:33:41 PM  

lordargent: RY28: I just love it when the milk is spoiled three days before the "use by" date , even though I keep my fridge at chilly beer temp . Yum !

I switched to almond milk, because I only used whole white milk for cereal, which I eat sporadically.

// I would eat a bowl of cereal, and the rest of the milk would spoil before I got the hankering for cereal again.

// Bonus, the almond milk doesn't even require refrigeration until it's opened.

// I'm not even quite sure when opened almond milk actually spoils. The recommendation is just a few days (silk says 7-10 days), but I think that recommendation is pure bullshiat because I've had quarts sitting around for much longer with no noticeable drop in quality whatsoever. So I'm still scratching my head as to what almond milk looks/smells like when it goes bad.


I  switched to organic milk which lasts for several weeks .
 
2013-09-19 09:45:36 PM  

tuna fingers: I agree with these guys FTFA:
Screw those dates. Arbitrary. Empower yourself and use your senses. Does it look smell or taste gross? No, then eat it!'Use by' is a guideline. Scratch 'n sniff is more effective.  Even more so with pharmaceuticals (within reason).


I would agree except the worst case of food poisoning (and the last) I ever got was from some bacon that looked and smelled just fine but was several days past its "use by" date. Since then, sorry, if it's past the date, it gets pitched. Because I can't handle three days of my own pitching.
 
2013-09-19 09:48:39 PM  
RY28:  I  switched to organic milk which lasts for several weeks .

I switched to vodka, which doesn't seem to last very long.
 
2013-09-19 10:26:45 PM  
RY28: I switched to organic milk which lasts for several weeks .

All milk is organic, but not all milk is "organic".

// only accept the scientific and biological definitions.
 
2013-09-19 10:47:21 PM  

tuna fingers: Oreos which could go 12 months after that date easy.


If you like them stale.

/which I guess the milk dippers do
//don't eat them
 
2013-09-19 10:57:57 PM  
Late to thread but, When I was working at a store, the chip/cake (lays, martins, little debbie, lance) vendors would come in to restock. They would give us the out of date stuff and sometimes it  would be 15-20 bags or so. It was all within a day to a week out of date. I took that shiat home and gave it to hubby and family. Nothing wrong with it. They were going to throw it out, and we are poor, and so were my co-workers. We ate it, we're all still alive. Milk is another matter. I will freeze it if i think it'll go out soon.
 
2013-09-19 11:42:51 PM  
I found a pork loin in my freezer that was from 2005 a couple of weeks ago.  It had a "freeze by" date on it and the label said it should be used within a year of freezing.

I cooked it in the oven and it was delicious and it didn't make me sick.

I have eggs in the refrigerator that "expired" 2 months ago.  They still are good too.

Milk, OTOH, is something you should throw out.  If it smells bad and tastes bad, don't take any chances.  And if your milk is chunky, expect it to make you very very sick.

The funniest expiration date I ever saw was on bottled water at least 15 years ago.  It had a manufacturing date on it too.  Both dates included a time as well.  So exactly one year after this water was bottled it apparently "expired".  I was tempted to hang on to it to see what happened at that precise moment in time, but didn't bother.

I also seem to recall reading a story about some explorers in Antarctica who came across some food provisions left there by previous explorers about 100 years earlier who didn't survive.  They ate some of the frozen meat and it was just fine.  I think they said it wasn't very tasty, but they probably just weren't very good chefs.
 
2013-09-20 12:10:08 AM  
Have you guys eaten stale cheetos? That shiat is NECESSARY!
 
2013-09-20 01:07:13 AM  

Soulcatcher: MythDragon: I'll chance it with everything but milk. If milk says expires 20 Sep, 11:59 on Sep 19th I am pouring that bastard down the sink. (if I'm up. Otherwise it can wait until morning). I drank chunky milk once. Never again.

This is why civilized Farkers pour their milk into a glass before they drink it. The chunk test.

=]


Ah yes, the cultured approach.
 
2013-09-20 07:19:09 AM  

KellyX: Deathfrogg: "Use by" dates do have a purpose. On a tour with a friends band years ago, we stopped in a little town in northern California to stock up on road munchies and beer. Several people bought those nasty prepackaged sandwiches that all those places seem to have. When we opened them, they were this awful green color with mold and shiat, so folks checked the "sell by" date on them, and they were literally over a month past due. We took them back into the store and the dude refused to refund our money because the packages were opened. So things started getting nasty and loud. He called the cops. Cops showed up, and we showed them the packages.

Meanwhile, the storekeeper's wife or whoever was in the back of the coolers pulling all the other stuff off the shelves as fast as she could. Cop does a little investigation in the garbage and found out that nearly every food item in the store was at least a couple weeks past the sell-by date and told this greasy little prick to give us back our money. Meanwhile, he's screaming at the cops to arrest us for shoplifting and all sorts of other crap, trying to convince him that we just tried to rob him and such. Cop tells us to leave, and that he was closing the store on an emergency health basis because the store was where the cops had been getting their own road munchies for years.

There is a reason for those expiration dates. I make sure to check all of them now.


Did you get your money back?

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2013-09-20 08:14:17 PM  
gfid: The funniest expiration date I ever saw was on bottled water at least 15 years ago. It had a manufacturing date on it too. Both dates included a time as well. So exactly one year after this water was bottled it apparently "expired".

That's the exact date that the plastics in the bottle start to break down and leech poison into the water :P
 
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