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2013-09-19 12:42:50 PM
Bravo on the headline, subby.
 
2013-09-19 12:45:04 PM
......and this is why a lot of my friends/family who are still practicing Catholics are overjoyed that a Jesuit is the Pope.
 
2013-09-19 12:59:40 PM
I'm starting to warm to him, but I'm not holding my breath for things to actually change in the Catholic Church.  You can be merciful all you like, but until you acknowledge, for example, that being gay doesn't require mercy, it doesn't make a dent.
 
2013-09-19 01:00:11 PM
It's a tragic commentary on the Catholic church that the first pope in living memory who is a vaguely decent human being makes such a splash.

"Hey maybe marginalising a huge portion of  the population and having idiotic ideas about birth control that plunge millions into poverty isn't what Jesus would have wanted" is now a bold step.

He's just achieving the minimum standard for not being a total shiatcock.
 
2013-09-19 01:01:49 PM
Oh - and I love this quote:

''We must always consider the person. In life, God accompanies persons, and we must accompany them, starting from their situation. It is necessary to accompany them with mercy. When that happens, the Holy Spirit inspires the priest to say the right thing.''

So, obviously the Holy Spirit hates gays, condoms, abortion of any kind, and also anyone who doesn't hate them.  That's if I'm to believe that the Holy Spirit inspires priests and bishops to say the right thing.
 
2013-09-19 01:05:03 PM
I like what he says, but when will the actual church come from behind and issue a 'clarification' on what he said? They've done it for damn near every controversial thing he's said so far.
 
2013-09-19 01:13:18 PM
Hey Catholics- keep this guy. I like him.
 
2013-09-19 01:13:33 PM
The charm offensive continues. Get back to me when he issues an actual encyclical changing doctrine or makes real changes to church hierarchy and process.

Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why a lot of my friends/family who are still practicing Catholics are overjoyed that a Jesuit is the Pope.


Jesuits were the shock troops of the Counter-Reformation and are essentially the salesman/indoctrination wing of the church. As such, they're very good at convincing people of things independent of facts.
 
2013-09-19 01:16:32 PM

scottydoesntknow: I like what he says, but when will the actual church come from behind and issue a 'clarification' on what he said? They've done it for damn near every controversial thing he's said so far.


I see what you did there
 
2013-09-19 01:17:30 PM
I have to say, my respect for this guy continues to grow.  Of course, as far as the Catholic Church is concerned, they're coming from a long way off, and still have a long way to go.
 
2013-09-19 01:24:26 PM
The Catholic Church makes a lot of money on their chosen stance and he's going to screw that all up.  Better reinforce the Popemobile.
 
2013-09-19 01:24:50 PM

SurfaceTension: scottydoesntknow: I like what he says, but when will the actual church come from behind and issue a 'clarification' on what he said? They've done it for damn near every controversial thing he's said so far.

I see what you did there


I thought about putting 'backdoor' but figured that might be too obvious.

/Still a legit question though
 
2013-09-19 01:36:11 PM

Cagey B: The charm offensive continues. Get back to me when he issues an actual encyclical changing doctrine or makes real changes to church hierarchy and process.

Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why a lot of my friends/family who are still practicing Catholics are overjoyed that a Jesuit is the Pope.

Jesuits were the shock troops of the Counter-Reformation and are essentially the salesman/indoctrination wing of the church. As such, they're very good at convincing people of things independent of facts.


According to Detective Munch, the Jesuits are the CIA of the Catholic Church. . .
 
2013-09-19 01:54:35 PM
Still a religion. Still useless.
 
2013-09-19 01:54:51 PM
I read it as "new balance of fail"...
 
2013-09-19 01:57:47 PM

I_Am_Weasel: The Catholic Church makes a lot of money on their chosen stance and he's going to screw that all up.  Better reinforce the Popemobile.


Any conspiracy theories as to why the illuminati wanted JP killed?
 
2013-09-19 01:58:44 PM
What will become of Fark if this happens?
 
2013-09-19 01:58:53 PM

I_Am_Weasel: The Catholic Church makes a lot of money on their chosen stance and he's going to screw that all up.  Better reinforce the Popemobile.


Nothing he has said so far has been different than current teachings.
 
2013-09-19 01:59:46 PM

SilentStrider: Hey Catholics- keep this guy. I like him.


What he said.
 
2013-09-19 01:59:49 PM
He better have someone tasting his spaghetti every night.
 
2013-09-19 02:02:30 PM

Empty H: Still a religion. Still useless.


Except for music, literature, universities, hospitals, orphanages, beer and the inspiration for civil rights movement too numerous to count, what has religion ever done for us??
 
2013-09-19 02:03:36 PM

Ricardo Klement: I_Am_Weasel: The Catholic Church makes a lot of money on their chosen stance and he's going to screw that all up.  Better reinforce the Popemobile.

Any conspiracy theories as to why the illuminati wanted JP killed?


JP1? He started looking into the Bank of the Vatican.

I don't know if you can call it Illuminati, it was just a covert Masonic lodge named "Propaganda Due" that included Silvio Berlusconi as a member.
 
2013-09-19 02:04:02 PM
The more this guy speaks, the more I like him. This is surprising, as I spend much of my day wishing people would shut up.
 
2013-09-19 02:04:33 PM
So let me get this straight,: Pope Frankie is all "Oy Vey! enough with all the kvetching about abortion and contraception and leave the fagelas already.  Instead how's about we get back to worrying  about being nice to each other and caring for the less fortunate and loving they neighbor schtick okay?"

/Something tells me that History is not going to remeber him as Francis but as Pope Awesome the I
 
2013-09-19 02:04:34 PM
Did I like my own headline?  Yes.

Do I like this one better?  Is  Ox hungry for a Hulkaburger?
 
2013-09-19 02:12:39 PM

I_Am_Weasel: The Catholic Church makes a lot of money on their chosen stance and he's going to screw that all up.  Better reinforce the Popemobile.


I don;t know that it particularly help enrich the church, but I DO know that if the US conference of Catholic Bishops takes his lead, the GOP is going to lose a future election in a landlslide..  The only thing that turned most "Reagan Democrats" into staunch Republicans was the abortion issue.  Take that away, and most catholic teachingslike the anti-death penalty stance and historical policies, like the Catholic Worker Movement, or its Immigration policies,  align much more with Democrats.,
 
2013-09-19 02:14:10 PM

Gonz: Ricardo Klement: I_Am_Weasel: The Catholic Church makes a lot of money on their chosen stance and he's going to screw that all up.  Better reinforce the Popemobile.

Any conspiracy theories as to why the illuminati wanted JP killed?

JP1? He started looking into the Bank of the Vatican.

I don't know if you can call it Illuminati, it was just a covert Masonic lodge named "Propaganda Due" that included Silvio Berlusconi as a member.


Bunga bunga parties don't fund themselves, mi amico.
 
2013-09-19 02:16:32 PM

Cagey B: Jesuits were the shock troops of the Counter-Reformation and are essentially the salesman/indoctrination wing of the church. As such, they're very good at convincing people of things independent of facts.


Oh no.  We're in danger.
 
2013-09-19 02:18:50 PM
GO! POPE! GO!
 
2013-09-19 02:21:59 PM

Magorn: I_Am_Weasel: The Catholic Church makes a lot of money on their chosen stance and he's going to screw that all up.  Better reinforce the Popemobile.

I don;t know that it particularly help enrich the church, but I DO know that if the US conference of Catholic Bishops takes his lead, the GOP is going to lose a future election in a landlslide..  The only thing that turned most "Reagan Democrats" into staunch Republicans was the abortion issue.  Take that away, and most catholic teachingslike the anti-death penalty stance and historical policies, like the Catholic Worker Movement, or its Immigration policies,  align much more with Democrats.,


Interesting point.  They could possibly treat him like Obama, denying that he has the authority to make any changes or attacking his character, etc.  Or they could accept (like I think they're supposed to) his infallibility and start making wide ranging changes.

My money's on American Bishops not changing anytime soon.
 
2013-09-19 02:24:21 PM

indylaw: Empty H: Still a religion. Still useless.

Except for music, literature, universities, hospitals, orphanages, beer and the inspiration for civil rights movement too numerous to count, what has religion ever done for us??


exactly.. none of those things could or would exist without divine inspiration... and organized religions...
 
2013-09-19 02:28:47 PM

indylaw: Empty H: Still a religion. Still useless.

Except for music, literature, universities, hospitals, orphanages, beer and the inspiration for civil rights movement too numerous to count, what has religion ever done for us??


Not sure if serious, but wth, I'll bite:
War, murder, incest, molestation, persecution, indignation, hypocrisy to name but a few.

/Religion is definitely solely to credit for those things in your list, though.
 
2013-09-19 02:30:07 PM

Empty H: Still a religion. Still useless.


I'm atheist but I wouldn't call religion useless. For some people it's all that keeps them going. Whether you believe what they do or not has nothing to do with anything. It's just a hobby that we don't practice. I've never understood the use in being a dick when somebody wants to talk religion. I give the the same courtesy that they would give me if i were trying to have an involved conversation with them about hockey.(supposing they have no interest in hockey)
 
2013-09-19 02:31:37 PM

Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why a lot of my friends/family who are still practicing Catholics are overjoyed that a Jesuit is the Pope.


Bingo.

I might actually go back to church.  Right now I only go on Ash Wednesday.

Also,

WTP 2: GO! POPE! GO!


This.

My boyfriend's conservative uncle *just* got out of the seminary... I'm debating whether it'd be a good idea to ask him what he thinks of the Pope next time I see him.  But I don't really want to be a real life troll.
 
2013-09-19 02:34:52 PM

Gonz: SilentStrider: Hey Catholics- keep this guy. I like him.

What he said.


I'm kind of afraid that if he dies soon (Popes being old men, generally, although he seems to be in good heath) the old guard Cardinals are going to swing completely in the opposite direction, Ratzinger-style.

But if he holds out long enough where more decent Cardinals get in place, maybe the momentum will keep going.

/Amen
 
2013-09-19 02:35:43 PM
As an ex-Catholic, I'd give Frank a fist bump. Still not returning, but it's a step in the right direction.
 
2013-09-19 02:38:54 PM

I_Am_Weasel: The Catholic Church makes a lot of money on their chosen stance and he's going to screw that all up.  Better reinforce the Popemobile.


Um, not really.  I'd say they're losing it, especially in more developed countries.  Lost me (spent about 8 hours a week doing Catholic Youth Leadership stuff in high school, but focused on social justice and equality and stuff that Francis is bringing back and that Benedict started f--king over), my brother (reluctantly), and most of my Polish Catholic born and raised family (except my Mom) only go to church a dozen times a year.  That's lots of collection plate money gone.
 
2013-09-19 02:56:46 PM

susler: Magorn: I_Am_Weasel: The Catholic Church makes a lot of money on their chosen stance and he's going to screw that all up.  Better reinforce the Popemobile.

I don;t know that it particularly help enrich the church, but I DO know that if the US conference of Catholic Bishops takes his lead, the GOP is going to lose a future election in a landlslide..  The only thing that turned most "Reagan Democrats" into staunch Republicans was the abortion issue.  Take that away, and most catholic teachingslike the anti-death penalty stance and historical policies, like the Catholic Worker Movement, or its Immigration policies,  align much more with Democrats.,

Interesting point.  They could possibly treat him like Obama, denying that he has the authority to make any changes or attacking his character, etc.  Or they could accept (like I think they're supposed to) his infallibility and start making wide ranging changes.

My money's on American Bishops not changing anytime soon.


Well that's the funny thing.  This sort of thing the Pope says doesn't come under that whole "infalliable" thing (that requires a special ceremony) however, the thing is the pope still has a little of that absolute monarch mojo and if the Bishops (and cradinals) don;t change to his liking, he does have the power to change THEM out for people that will.  Ordinarily I'd say that's highly unlikely for aPope to pick a fight with his own Curia, because they also run the essential Vatican bureaucracies, but the fact that the Pope is also a Jesuit, means that he can tap into the resources of a vast organization and power structure that is completely separate and outside of the one the Curia controls, so if he needs bodies to fill key roles and doesn;t want to have to worried baout divided factional loyalties, he's got bodies for the job.
 
2013-09-19 03:02:15 PM
Where American Catholics are in for a rude awakening is in having to live like a Christian.  Once you're married, it's relatively easy to have a hard line on the pre-Francis focus - you can be staunchly anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage because neither effect you.  Only the most ardent married Catholics pay attention to the contraception rule (I know a few that do, but more that don't).  When it comes to caring about homelessness, the poor, the sick and the disenfranchised and giving them your money, it becomes much, much harder to be a Catholic.
 
2013-09-19 03:12:45 PM
Just have to find the right .  .  .  one  .  .  .

cdn.sneakhype.com
 
2013-09-19 03:15:08 PM
Yes, it's a lovely horse...but please don't bring it through the gate.
 
2013-09-19 03:24:43 PM

jpat: Where American Catholics are in for a rude awakening is in having to live like a Christian.  Once you're married, it's relatively easy to have a hard line on the pre-Francis focus - you can be staunchly anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage because neither effect you.  Only the most ardent married Catholics pay attention to the contraception rule (I know a few that do, but more that don't).  When it comes to caring about homelessness, the poor, the sick and the disenfranchised and giving them your money, it becomes much, much harder to be a Catholic.


there are no poor any more. They're all surfer-slackers using their Obama stamps to buy lobster and coconut water.
 
2013-09-19 03:29:21 PM

indylaw: Empty H: Still a religion. Still useless.

Except for music, literature, universities, hospitals, orphanages, beer and the inspiration for civil rights movement too numerous to count, what has religion ever done for us??


Oh those things were done by people. You see there are these things called good people. They will do good things whether there's a sky fairy involved or not.

The Catholic church is typically headed by someone who is nowhere near being one of these.
 
2013-09-19 03:40:40 PM
Now do something about the pedos and the bishops who enabled them to get away with their abuses. Then I'll be impressed. So far so good though.
 
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2013-09-19 04:02:53 PM
Jesus nods.
 
2013-09-19 04:11:48 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: My boyfriend's conservative uncle *just* got out of the seminary... I'm debating whether it'd be a good idea to ask him what he thinks of the Pope next time I see him. But I don't really want to be a real life troll.


Yes, you do. You just feel you shouldn't.

Am I wrong?
 
2013-09-19 04:16:07 PM

indylaw: Empty H: Still a religion. Still useless.

Except for music, literature, universities, hospitals, orphanages, beer and the inspiration for civil rights movement too numerous to count, what has religion ever done for us??


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Tell you what...I'll give the Church credit for helping out on the whole slavery thing in about 3600 A.D.

That's because they spent 1800 years supporting it...with Bible quotes, no less.
And even then, don't pretend like it was an instant majority that suddenly became anti-slavery.

Frankly, the Enlightenment had more to do with it than every religion on the planet combined.
 
2013-09-19 04:18:19 PM

Coco LaFemme: ......and this is why a lot of my friends/family who are still practicing Catholics are overjoyed that a Jesuit is the Pope.


Ask them if the Jesuits will ever give back the money they tortured out of the Jews in Spain.

You know, the financial underpinnings of their entire order...

/behind every fortune lies a great crime
 
2013-09-19 04:19:30 PM
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2013-09-19 04:20:42 PM
It's been a long time since I left Catholicism, but how unified is the American Catholic church? Are there any good studies on the overall political leanings of the clergy and the regulars?

/a new schism?
 
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