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(The Nation)   Author responds to Rick Reilly column on Washington nickname, proceeds to destroy him like smallpox destroyed ... wait, I don't like where this analogy is headed   (thenation.com) divider line 184
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2013-09-19 12:45:15 PM
Man, in this article Rick Reilly got trashed like a red man on casino dividend check day.
 
2013-09-19 12:50:18 PM
Fun fact: In 1933, all the Nazis in Germany started saying "Seig Heil" to each other. It means "Hail Victory." Redskins owner George Preston Marshall liked it so much he made it the second line to the Redskins fight song in 1937. If you Google "Hail Victory," you get either white supremacy links or Redskins links.
 
2013-09-19 01:07:11 PM
 I want Columbus Ohio to change it's name too. Let's be politically correct on all names.
 Columbus was named after a man that was mean, and a Catholic!!

How many other City's, towns, companies, and teams should change their names to be touchy-feeley.

How many can you think of?

Columbus
St. Augustine
Jackson
Jefferson City
Rome
Coke
Green Giant
Pep Boys
Redskins
Texans
Vikings
 
2013-09-19 01:08:01 PM
Sounds like the author got Rick Reiled
 
2013-09-19 01:15:17 PM

chiett: How many can you think of?


Paging Governor Perry.
 
2013-09-19 01:27:02 PM
Even though I disagree with them vehemently

Wait a minute, you mean to tell me that someone actually gives a rat's ass about the name of a football team?

Really?

What sad pathetic individuals they must be.
 
2013-09-19 01:29:35 PM
This is really simple. Racial slurs are inappropriate names for organizations in a society that claims to reject things like racism. There are precisely two examples of this that really don't merit any debate; the Washington Redskins, and the Chief Wahoo mascot used by the Cleveland Indians. You can make cases for teams like the Atlanta Braves or the Chicago Blackhawks or whatever, but Washington Redskins is plainly over the line for anyone with a brain.

I'm sure that the people who disagree with this based on their butthurt that they can't call a black person a n**ger because the horrible PC Police™ would get offended think otherwise.
 
2013-09-19 01:34:42 PM

Cagey B: I'm sure that the people who disagree with this based on their butthurt that they can't call a black person a n**ger because the horrible PC Police™ would get offended think otherwise.


My favorite, "But black guys get to say that word all the time! It's so unfair!"
 
2013-09-19 01:45:38 PM

Cagey B: Washington Redskins is plainly over the line for anyone with a brain


If it was the Squaws, I could see it.  But I believe "Redskins" was chosen to mean a frightful native warrior that will likely kick your ass.  I can see how some people would view it differently, but that's simply a matter of education.
 
2013-09-19 01:48:46 PM
I don't know why it's taking so long to just change the name to the Washington Pigskins.
 
2013-09-19 01:49:45 PM

JerseyTim: I don't know why it's taking so long to just change the name to the Washington Pigskins.


That's awfully disrespectful of pigs.
 
2013-09-19 01:54:42 PM

Marcus Aurelius: JerseyTim: I don't know why it's taking so long to just change the name to the Washington Pigskins.

That's awfully disrespectful of pigs.


To be fair, I don't know why any group would want to be associated with a team owned by Dan Snyder.

Hmmm... the Washington Snyders. Their mascot could be a bankrupt version of the Six Flags old dancing guy.

/Da da da da da da da duh duh
 
2013-09-19 01:57:52 PM
I think that the redskins should be able to keep their name only if other teams have to change their names:

Seattle Slanteyes
Phoenix Spics
Pittsburgh Polacks
San Francisco FudgePackers...

/you get the idea.
 
2013-09-19 02:00:55 PM

Cagey B: This is really simple. Racial slurs are inappropriate names for organizations in a society that claims to reject things like racism. There are precisely two examples of this that really don't merit any debate; the Washington Redskins, and the Chief Wahoo mascot used by the Cleveland Indians. You can make cases for teams like the Atlanta Braves or the Chicago Blackhawks or whatever, but Washington Redskins is plainly over the line for anyone with a brain.

I'm sure that the people who disagree with this based on their butthurt that they can't call a black person a n**ger because the horrible PC Police™ would get offended think otherwise.


Fighting Irish, too, right?
 
2013-09-19 02:03:25 PM
the tl;dr version of tfa: YOU ARE NOT SUFFICIENTLY OUTRAGED!
 
2013-09-19 02:03:45 PM

machoprogrammer: Cagey B: This is really simple. Racial slurs are inappropriate names for organizations in a society that claims to reject things like racism. There are precisely two examples of this that really don't merit any debate; the Washington Redskins, and the Chief Wahoo mascot used by the Cleveland Indians. You can make cases for teams like the Atlanta Braves or the Chicago Blackhawks or whatever, but Washington Redskins is plainly over the line for anyone with a brain.

I'm sure that the people who disagree with this based on their butthurt that they can't call a black person a n**ger because the horrible PC Police™ would get offended think otherwise.

Fighting Irish, too, right?


content.sportslogos.net
 
2013-09-19 02:07:28 PM

machoprogrammer: Fighting Irish, too, right?


Fighting Irish is about the equivalent of Cleveland Indians (the name, not the caricature mascot) to me. It would be more analgous if it was the Notre Dame Drunken Micks or something.
 
2013-09-19 02:08:28 PM
Wow, leading off with the "Apes don't read philosophy" quote. I love it.
 
2013-09-19 02:08:31 PM

tallguywithglasseson: Cagey B: I'm sure that the people who disagree with this based on their butthurt that they can't call a black person a n**ger because the horrible PC Police™ would get offended think otherwise.

My favorite, "But black guys get to say that word all the time! It's so unfair!"


In the thread we just had, there were like six different "counterarguments" of "but this school, which is 95% Native, uses Redskins!"
 
2013-09-19 02:12:07 PM
What ever happened to Rick Telander?
 
2013-09-19 02:15:02 PM

Dafatone: tallguywithglasseson: Cagey B: I'm sure that the people who disagree with this based on their butthurt that they can't call a black person a n**ger because the horrible PC Police™ would get offended think otherwise.

My favorite, "But black guys get to say that word all the time! It's so unfair!"

In the thread we just had, there were like six different "counterarguments" of "but this school, which is 95% Native, uses Redskins!"


Which is still a better argument than this article's "You should be outraged because I, a white person, said so"
 
2013-09-19 02:16:29 PM
FTA The percentage of Native Americans in the United States is roughly 0.8 percent of the population. Before Europeans landed on these shores, it was-shocker-100 percent. Without massacres, displacement and depopulation, there would be no way a team could think of getting away with the name "Redskins."

I'm indifferent either way, but if you say something as stupid as this, fark you.  This statement is more brainless than any argument I've seen on the matter.
 
2013-09-19 02:17:55 PM

Droog8912: This statement is more brainless than any argument I've seen on the matter.


You sound like someone who didn't read the Rick Reilly piece.
 
2013-09-19 02:19:48 PM
Reilly then goes on to write of all the Native American school districts that "wear the [Redskins] name with honor" (he names three). Reilly ignores, however, the students in Cooperstown, New York, who organized a successful grassroots campaign to throw the name Redskins in the garbage over the summer.

Uh, has this dude ever been to Cooperstown, NY?  It's as white as a picket fence.
 
2013-09-19 02:21:16 PM

The Third Man: Reilly then goes on to write of all the Native American school districts that "wear the [Redskins] name with honor" (he names three). Reilly ignores, however, the students in Cooperstown, New York, who organized a successful grassroots campaign to throw the name Redskins in the garbage over the summer.

Uh, has this dude ever been to Cooperstown, NY?  It's as white as a picket fence.


so?
 
2013-09-19 02:23:59 PM

Triumph: Fun fact: In 1933, all the Nazis in Germany started saying "Seig Heil" to each other. It means "Hail Victory." Redskins owner George Preston Marshall liked it so much he made it the second line to the Redskins fight song in 1937. If you Google "Hail Victory," you get either white supremacy links or Redskins links.


Playing off your fun facts: George Preston Marshall was the last owner to integrate his team in 1962, and only did it because Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy threatened to void the lease on his stadium.

Try explaining that to your kid, Rick. It's part of his 82-year football heritage.
 
2013-09-19 02:26:00 PM
 

machoprogrammer: Fighting Irish, too, right?


Sigh.

"Fighting Irish" was originally intended as an insult to Notre Dame. But the institution - which had then and has now an Irish-American President, a long standing connection to the Irish community and a significant Irish presence in their student body - adopted it with pride.

I am unaware of the ties (long standing or otherwise) to the native American community enjoyed by the 'Skins, nor am I aware of any native Americans in leadership roles - hell, any role - in the organization.

Here's the (Irish American) President of Notre Dame in 1927: "The university authorities are in no way averse to the name 'Fighting Irish' as applied to our athletic teams....I sincerely hope that we may always be worthy of the ideal embodied in the term 'Fighting Irish.'"

There are multiple native american tribes formally complaining about the name. When large Irish-American organizations start complaining about ND's mascot and name - and they won't, because by and large they think it's awesome, up to and including the President of Ireland - we can talk. Until then, your analogy is worthless.
 
2013-09-19 02:27:05 PM

Cagey B: This is really simple. Racial slurs are inappropriate names for organizations in a society that claims to reject things like racism. There are precisely two examples of this that really don't merit any debate; the Washington Redskins, and the Chief Wahoo mascot used by the Cleveland Indians. You can make cases for teams like the Atlanta Braves or the Chicago Blackhawks or whatever, but Washington Redskins is plainly over the line for anyone with a brain.

I'm sure that the people who disagree with this based on their butthurt that they can't call a black person a n**ger because the horrible PC Police™ would get offended think otherwise.


Yeah, Washington Redskins is awful. Atlanta Braves, Kansas City Chiefs, not so much.
 
2013-09-19 02:27:27 PM

JerseyTim: I don't know why it's taking so long to just change the name to the Washington Pigskins.


You're not helping.
 
2013-09-19 02:30:18 PM

Shame Us: The Third Man: Reilly then goes on to write of all the Native American school districts that "wear the [Redskins] name with honor" (he names three). Reilly ignores, however, the students in Cooperstown, New York, who organized a successful grassroots campaign to throw the name Redskins in the garbage over the summer.

Uh, has this dude ever been to Cooperstown, NY?  It's as white as a picket fence.

so?


So this guy is saying "Rick Reilly says these three Native American schools kept the Redskins name, but here's a school that didn't," implying that not all Native American schools have accepted it.  The author's essentially saying, look, look, a counter-example to his thesis.  Except it isn't, because Cooperstown is a white-majority school.  So it's rather a pointless example.

Not that this makes Reilly any less of a douche, but I just thought it was funny that he tried to make that argument.
 
2013-09-19 02:30:38 PM

JerseyTim: I don't know why it's taking so long to just change the name to the Washington Pigskins.


I like Easterbrook's suggestion of Potomac Drainage Basin Indigenous Persons.
 
2013-09-19 02:34:25 PM

russlar: the tl;dr version of tfa: YOU ARE NOT SUFFICIENTLY OUTRAGED!


Except for the part about all the native groups who protested and have taken legal action and stuff against the name for 40 years
 
2013-09-19 02:35:14 PM

rjakobi: JerseyTim: I don't know why it's taking so long to just change the name to the Washington Pigskins.

You're not helping.


It's a great name. 1. It's football-related. 2. They can keep the "'Skins" sub-nickname. 3. It ties in with the team's "Hogs" tradition.

It's the best possible alternative.
 
2013-09-19 02:37:49 PM
Attacking Reilly at this point in his career is like shooting fish in a barrel
 
2013-09-19 02:39:25 PM
...if your team name exists only because there was a genocide, then you might need a new team name.

I demand Jello Biafra change his name.
 
2013-09-19 02:40:06 PM
From wiki about the writer of TFA:
Zirin is the co-author with John Carlos of The John Carlos Story: The Sports Moment That Changed the World.
(a bs staged black agenda political statement that was an embarrassment to the USA changed sports forever? For the worst perhaps)
Zirin maintains the opinion that the aggressive hatred toward the use of steroids by Barry Bonds is in large degree due to racism.
Zirin referred to Hank Williams, Jr. as a racist and proslavery

This guy is a "You better be politically correct or else you we will sue you and take all your money" jackass. I wonder what his fark handle is.
 
2013-09-19 02:40:14 PM
Racist/derogatory? most certainly.  But for as much press as the Green Bay/Washington game got last week, only a handful of the local Oneida tribe showed up to protest. If they don't seem to care much, why should I?
 
2013-09-19 02:41:55 PM
How?
 
2013-09-19 02:42:05 PM
I'll ask the same question that I asked in the last thread, and that I'll continue asking:

Could someone explain to me, in two sentences, how the term "redskin" is fundamentally different than "darkie"?
 
2013-09-19 02:43:09 PM
I don't know why there's so much debate about this.

IMO, it's pretty clear that the word is a racial slur.  It's equally clear that the vast majority of the people who use the name aren't intending it as a racial slur.  But still, those people have to be willfully obtuse not to see why many others would find the name to be unacceptable.
 
2013-09-19 02:43:37 PM

Serious Black: Yeah, Washington Redskins is awful. Atlanta Braves, Kansas City Chiefs, not so much.


I thought that Kansas City's football team was named after people who cook food for a living. Is that not the case?

www.fastcocreate.com
 
2013-09-19 02:46:56 PM

varmitydog: From wiki about the writer of TFA:
Zirin is the co-author with John Carlos of The John Carlos Story: The Sports Moment That Changed the World.
(a bs staged black agenda political statement that was an embarrassment to the USA changed sports forever? For the worst perhaps)
Zirin maintains the opinion that the aggressive hatred toward the use of steroids by Barry Bonds is in large degree due to racism.
Zirin referred to Hank Williams, Jr. as a racist and proslavery

This guy is a "You better be politically correct or else you we will sue you and take all your money" jackass. I wonder what his fark handle is.


This post should just say that negroes are uppity and they should know their place.
 
2013-09-19 02:51:31 PM
Threadjack, interruption, rude, whatever ... I don't know where else to ask this where it will get an answer.  I've been waiting to see a Yahoo link pop up here for a little bit but to no avail.

Is Yahoo really farking serious about this being their site design?
 
2013-09-19 02:52:27 PM

Gonz: I'll ask the same question that I asked in the last thread, and that I'll continue asking:

Could someone explain to me, in two sentences, how the term "redskin" is fundamentally different than "darkie"?


I just like "Why is it so important to you that they keep a name that is blatantly racist, especially given that a name change would in no way impact your life?"
 
2013-09-19 02:56:19 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Serious Black: Yeah, Washington Redskins is awful. Atlanta Braves, Kansas City Chiefs, not so much.

I thought that Kansas City's football team was named after people who cook food for a living. Is that not the case?


Great googly moogly.
 
2013-09-19 02:57:29 PM

scottydoesntknow: Sounds like the author got Rick Reiled


This, this right here
 
2013-09-19 03:00:56 PM
Maybe we should do like the Navy does with the Marines and refer to the Washington NFL team as "Our Dimwitted Cousins".

Packers 42
Our Dimwitted Cousins 0

Cardinals 48
Our Dimwitted Cousins 0

And so forth
 
2013-09-19 03:01:58 PM

Doc Daneeka: I don't know why there's so much debate about this.

IMO, it's pretty clear that the word is a racial slur.  It's equally clear that the vast majority of the people who use the name aren't intending it as a racial slur.  But still, those people have to be willfully obtuse not to see why many others would find the name to be unacceptable.


I'll be the honest one: I just don't give a fark.  if you had an NFL-style Power Rankings for racist names, ones that slur Native Americans would be the equivalent of the 4-12 team while blacks and Jews would occupy the top spots. It is just the culture we live in right now. Hell, I am French and we get slurred to all hell and everyone thinks it is hysterical ... and we (right along side the natives) helped this country get their independence!

I will deny that the above comment isn't stupid or ignorant, but it is how I feel and I wonder how many people feel that way, too. I just don't give a fark about the feelings of Native Americans. I don't hate them or have anything negative to say about them, but I just don't care. Does that make sense or am I a sociopath?
 
2013-09-19 03:05:55 PM
*I will NOT
 
2013-09-19 03:06:43 PM

Doc Daneeka: I don't know why there's so much debate about this.

IMO, it's pretty clear that the word is a racial slur.  It's equally clear that the vast majority of the people who use the name aren't intending it as a racial slur.  But still, those people have to be willfully obtuse not to see why many others would find the name to be unacceptable.


 I think it's pretty clear that you haven't read any history; either that or you have a room temperature IQ.  Native Americans are not red; they are brown, like the rest of us.  I'm redder than any Native American.  The Redskin was a reference to the vermillion paint that the really aggressive Indians used for war paint.  The reference is to WAR, nothing else.  Most of the football teams on indian reservations use the nickname Redskins.  My oral hygienist is a full-blooded Navajo (they only tribe not conquered by the settlers) and she is adamant that the name does hot make her feel abused, it makes her feel proud.
 
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