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(The New Republic)   New dorms have granite countertops, fire pits, and simulated golf courses. And you wonder why we're always complaining about the costs of college tuition   (newrepublic.com ) divider line
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2013-09-19 02:11:59 PM  
People should have nice things and nice lives.  You Americans want everybody living on beans in prisons.  :(
 
2013-09-19 02:15:42 PM  

Tom_Slick: My dorm wouldn't have passed code for a minimum security prison.  But it was safe and AC worked.


CSB: One of the dorms at my university was based on a prison facility, IIRC the hall/stairway setup was specifically designed for riot containment.
 
2013-09-19 02:17:10 PM  

mod3072: [theinfosphere.org image 640x480]

This is my old college dorm.


The house I lived in off-campus was condemned two years after I left and the fire dept burned it down for practice. A year after that, my old frosh dorm was torn down because of asbestos. I just assumed that student housing was crap housing.

Meanwhile, anyone interested in why college costs so much can read this for starters. It's the best and least political of anything I've read on the subject.

/worked in higher ed admin for 20+ years
 
2013-09-19 02:19:45 PM  

Loadmaster: That might explain some of why tuition costs are 400% higher than they were in the 1980s.


Adjusting for inflation, average adjunct professor pay has remained the same since the 1970s, while administration costs have skyrocketed. (I can't find the link I was looking for, but here's something similar: The Troubling Dean-to-Professor Ratio)

At my alma mater, the same year that professors and staff were getting furloughed, department budgets were getting cut, departments were getting merged - that same year our university president's annual salary went from 150k to 400k.  She got a $250,000 raise while everyone associated with teaching was getting a pay cut.  And tuition went up.

/Actually, here's that I was thinking of: How the American University was Killed, but I'll keep the other one there, because it's a good read
//Here's another good read: What's Driving College Costs Higher?
 
2013-09-19 02:22:43 PM  
The state university I attend charges just shy of 2 grand a semester for a double occupancy dorm room with a shared bath between 2 rooms in an old school cinderblock style building. You can't stay there during the summer or over winter break, and have nowhere to cook other than a microwave, so you're pretty much committed to having a meal plan at about $1400 per semester.

Take that same $16k/year between the 4 students and you can get a nice damn house off campus for $1300 a month, that has no RA to biatch at you and you're welcome to stay there during the summer and during breaks--which is nice if you have a job in town.

In short, housing costs are insane for resident students, and luxury buildings don't seem to be why that is, at least her, especially when you compare it to what the same amount of money spread over even a couple of students would get on the private market.
 
2013-09-19 02:27:50 PM  

mod3072: This is my old college dorm.


Roobot house!
 
2013-09-19 03:08:07 PM  

solitary: People should have nice things and nice lives.  You Americans want everybody living on beans in prisons.  :(


Sure, if they can afford it.  They should also have the option to get a good education without all the irrelevant & expensive frills if that's what they need.  Particularly at public universities on government grant money.

 We can and should do better then the 100 year old cinderblock place that I've been describing - though despite my griping here it really wasn't a huge issue one way or another and I have good memories from the dorm days.  But the luxury apartments are to far in the other extreme as on campus dorm housing.
 
2013-09-19 03:38:25 PM  
So what? it's a private college. If you're stupid enough to go to a private non-ivy school for undergrad without a huge scholarship you deserve to lose that money.
 
2013-09-19 04:00:05 PM  
As it was described to me, the universities are pursuing an arms race for the "best" students. Of course Rich are always "better" than poor, and the rich are accustomed to a certain type of lifestyle.

So the college I attended, had a full 18 hole golf course, eventually built a 20 million dollar aquatics facility. The college already had a national level hockey arena, a football stadium and reasonable amenities for a number of other sports, and finally it's own ski facility 15 miles from the main campus. However the freshman dorm was still left over from those cinderblock days, expanded from being an 19th century mansion, with marble exteriors but interiors much more spartan.

Of course all of the newer dorms that were being built had high speed internet connections, cooking facilities, easy access to newly built cafeterias, and everything else to ease the load of being a student. This was back in the 90's of course, so I can only imagine what they have added now to make sure that the college experience would be as isolated and incongruous to the rest of the world as possible for all the students who could pay the now 60K per year price tag. However, I will say, that if you made it into the school, through the academic side, they would work with you to find a way to get you out with a degree with no student loan debt whether you were rich or poor.
 
2013-09-19 05:04:53 PM  

tricycleracer: Flat-Screen TVs

This old dog whistle.


Those who always want to bleat about "the poors" or anyone else they don't like drag this old tired meme out with absolutely
no thought to two facts: the price of a flat panel television has dropped from $3,999 for a 42 inch low-end model LCD in 2003
to less than $390 (cheaper refurbished) in 2013, and that it's nearly impossible to find a CRT television these days for sale.
Almost all new tvs are flat panel.

Or, they're just idiots.
/Probably the second one.
//yeah the second one
 
2013-09-19 06:07:48 PM  

Alonjar: I dont really see the problem with having people live in apartments vs traditional dorms.

Dont you usually end up paying an extra fee for that sort of amenity anyhow?


Not when I was in college. One side of campus had the dumpy highrise dorms, with cinderblock walls and metal bunkbeds - mostly freshman lived there. The other side of campus was the apartment-style units in nice Federalist-style brick buildings with decent (but low end) wood furniture. The units had also kitchens so we could opt out of the dining plan. Mostly juniors and seniors lived there.

The cost for both was the same. Granted, back then, we didn't have in-room internet (dial-up only) and no cable TV connections. Damn, I'm old.
 
2013-09-19 06:13:10 PM  

Tom_Slick: My dorm wouldn't have passed code for a minimum security prison.  But it was safe and AC worked.


same here... and nowhere near worth what they charged... and the food was atrocious.

I'm all for updating a dorm so it doesn't feel like said minimum security prison, but there is absolutely no reason for a dorm to get all tricked out to look like a luxury apartment. It's money that would be better spent on oh I dunno... financial aid.. scholarships... or updating classrooms/equipment and perhaps improving the actual quality of education.
 
2013-09-19 06:18:52 PM  

Jacobin: My dorm tomb was beneath a football stadium and it was more like a Turkish prison cell than a dorm room. $90/ semester so no lasting complaints

*wanders off to yell at clouds*


Rudy?
 
2013-09-19 07:20:09 PM  

shazbotuh: Tom_Slick: My dorm wouldn't have passed code for a minimum security prison.  But it was safe and AC worked.

same here... and nowhere near worth what they charged... and the food was atrocious.

I'm all for updating a dorm so it doesn't feel like said minimum security prison, [...]


Seriously, Brown actually has a group of dorms that WERE designed by a prison architect. All concrete, tiny rooms, windows that don't open, short sightlines wherever possible - just like a prison. It was absolutely miserable to live there.... and at the time, it was the only smoke-free dorm. So I was basically sent to prison for having asthma (and then they overheated the place all winter, and with the no-open windows - yeah, that's IDEAL for asthmatics </sarcasm>). I dearly want to find that architect and make him live in his own horrid dorm for a year.
 
2013-09-19 07:58:19 PM  
My oldest just started college in NYC and, being that her school is tiny (under 1,000 students), they don't have their own dorms.  We got stuck going through a private dorm provider.  Thankfully her grandparents offered to pay for it because for the fall and spring semesters, it came to just under $15k, and this is for a room where she has one roommate.  The room is about the size of her bedroom at home and a nice sized bath.  And there isn't even a kitchen in the room - just a refrigerator and a microwave, and there's a communal kitchen on every 4th floor.  

The dorm provider, though, tried to make it sound awesome... free wifi, free cable, A/C in every room, a full gym, location (the building's on the Upper East Side and is about a 15 min. walk from campus),  laundry facilities with machines that text you when they're done, etc... but it's still a TON of money.

Next year's going to suck because my other daughter is looking at going to college in Brooklyn.  Might be cheaper to rent them an apartment to share.

/that BFA degree she's pursuing BETTER pay off *grrr*
 
2013-09-19 10:39:42 PM  

shazbotuh: It's money that would be better spent on oh I dunno... financial aid.. scholarships... or updating classrooms/equipment and perhaps improving the actual quality of education.


This is true for a public institution. For a private institution... fark it. Let the kids have live in f*ck maids if that's what gets the parents to pay.
 
2013-09-20 12:06:15 AM  
I couldn't be bothered to read this article, but I saw something similar a week or so ago.  It was a private corporation providing housing marketed towards students - rich students.  The places all looked very nice but although they said they worked with the university it was off campus housing and was completely unaffiliated with the school.

I lived in university housing my freshman year, but it was an off-campus apartment.  3 people, one bedroom about the size of my current master bathroom, shiatty linoleum tile floor with barely enough room to swing a cat..

When the phone books were delivered one of us had the bright idea to carpet the floor with them.  We just used them as tiles and taped up the seams.  It was better than the shiatty flooring beneath it.  Nobody really wanted to use phone books even back in the '80s.

I remember one spoiled girl who started the same year as I did took one look at them with her parents and they went straight out and rented a place completely unaffiliated with the school.

This is really nothing new folks, except now there are corporations getting in on the game.
 
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