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2013-09-19 10:20:03 AM
... time-wasting on news aggregation sites.
 
2013-09-19 10:25:28 AM
pickles
 
2013-09-19 10:27:19 AM
How interesting.

Just last week there was a Breitbart thread (bear with me) where a Farker told me that even the poor had increased their standard of living as compared to thirty years ago. His point, as I understood it, was that being poor was a lot easier than it used to be, what with having refrigerators, air conditioning, an oven and other modern conveniences.

I asked him what evidence he had to support his claim.

Now today I read this.

I have written before about how and in the United States have slipped compared to other advanced countries. But it is even more poignant to recognize that, in many ways, America has been standing still for a full generation.

Curious.
 
2013-09-19 10:30:57 AM
My standard of living has decreased considerably just in the last 5 years but I choose to blame getting divorced and being laid off within 2 years of each other.
 
2013-09-19 10:33:35 AM

Rev.K: How interesting.

Just last week there was a Breitbart thread (bear with me) where a Farker told me that even the poor had increased their standard of living as compared to thirty years ago. His point, as I understood it, was that being poor was a lot easier than it used to be, what with having refrigerators, air conditioning, an oven and other modern conveniences.

I asked him what evidence he had to support his claim.

Now today I read this.

I have written before about how and in the United States have slipped compared to other advanced countries. But it is even more poignant to recognize that, in many ways, America has been standing still for a full generation.

Curious.


I was poor, and I had a refrigerator, a TV, and an air conditioner

/and no f*cking money to pay for electricity
//funny how that little detail never seems to be included in the calculations
 
2013-09-19 10:48:26 AM
farkin boomers!
 
2013-09-19 10:50:16 AM
Wanting an immediate return on an investment, instead of ensuring long-term viability of companies.
 
2013-09-19 10:51:41 AM

Rev.K: How interesting.

Just last week there was a Breitbart thread (bear with me) where a Farker told me that even the poor had increased their standard of living as compared to thirty years ago. His point, as I understood it, was that being poor was a lot easier than it used to be, what with having refrigerators, air conditioning, an oven and other modern conveniences.

I asked him what evidence he had to support his claim.

Now today I read this.

I have written before about how and in the United States have slipped compared to other advanced countries. But it is even more poignant to recognize that, in many ways, America has been standing still for a full generation.

Curious.


Well if you're looking for right wing retards that lie about things then I suggest you hang around here for just a little while longer.
 
2013-09-19 10:56:03 AM
I heard something the other day about how, despite the poverty level being just about the same as it was 10 years ago, many more poor people (35% to 80%, something like that) now have internet at home.

Nothing was said about how internet access is now almost a necessity for things like finding work or just getting by in your life, compared to even 10 years ago. Because Wow! clearly poor people are much better off now than they were 10 years ago.
 
2013-09-19 10:57:33 AM
Americans.

/I have only one vote.
//And I rarely vote Republican.
 
2013-09-19 11:05:47 AM
I'm not saying it was illegal aliens, but it was illegal aliens.
 
2013-09-19 11:42:11 AM
I blame Sirhan Sirhan.

Seriously, if he hadn't shot and killed RFK, RFK would very likely have won the 1968 presidential election and the Republican Party would have been relegated to the dustbin of history before they had the chance to taste success with the Southern Strategy and their courtship with the Religious Reich. Granted, Barack Obama would not have ever become president in that alternate timeline (and travelling back in time to give RFK a bulletproof vest would result in the Nazis winning World War 2), but there would have never been a nationwide and worldwide need for a Not-Bush to be within arm's reach of the Human Extinction Button in the first place.

/although in all honesty I blame the French
//because those cheese-eating surrender monkeys invented the metric system
///40 rods, hogshead, etc.
 
2013-09-19 12:01:42 PM
This begs the question: how does one gage the standard of living?
 
2013-09-19 12:08:12 PM

King Something: Granted, Barack Obama would not have ever become president in that alternate timeline (and travelling back in time to give RFK a bulletproof vest would result in the Nazis winning World War 2), but there would have never been a nationwide and worldwide need for a Not-Bush to be within arm's reach of the Human Extinction Button in the first place.


Ah, Sirhan Sirhan shot RFK in the back of the head, in the hotel kitchen with a .22 revolver. So the vest would have been worthless.
 
2013-09-19 12:23:19 PM

King Something: I blame Sirhan Sirhan.

Seriously, if he hadn't shot and killed RFK, RFK would very likely have won the 1968 presidential election and the Republican Party would have been relegated to the dustbin of history before they had the chance to taste success with the Southern Strategy and their courtship with the Religious Reich. Granted, Barack Obama would not have ever become president in that alternate timeline (and travelling back in time to give RFK a bulletproof vest would result in the Nazis winning World War 2), but there would have never been a nationwide and worldwide need for a Not-Bush to be within arm's reach of the Human Extinction Button in the first place.

/although in all honesty I blame the French
//because those cheese-eating surrender monkeys invented the metric system
///40 rods, hogshead, etc.


Does changing the past change things that happened even further in the past? Going back to the 60s shouldn't have an effect on WWII I wouldn't think.
 
2013-09-19 12:23:44 PM
Reaganomics!
 
2013-09-19 12:30:17 PM
Obama's trickle up poverty economic plan
 
2013-09-19 12:38:34 PM
Dwarfs. Freakin dwarfs.

/and is it dwarfs or dwarves? This is why people just say "midgets".
 
2013-09-19 12:44:22 PM
...Americans.
 
2013-09-19 12:58:55 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Rev.K: How interesting.

Just last week there was a Breitbart thread (bear with me) where a Farker told me that even the poor had increased their standard of living as compared to thirty years ago. His point, as I understood it, was that being poor was a lot easier than it used to be, what with having refrigerators, air conditioning, an oven and other modern conveniences.

I asked him what evidence he had to support his claim.

Now today I read this.

I have written before about how and in the United States have slipped compared to other advanced countries. But it is even more poignant to recognize that, in many ways, America has been standing still for a full generation.

Curious.

I was poor, and I had a refrigerator, a TV, and an air conditioner

/and no f*cking money to pay for electricity
//funny how that little detail never seems to be included in the calculations


I live a few hundred yard away froma  crisis center. The usual stuff, they take in battered women and destitute families, collect donations of food, clothing and cash. On Wed and Fri they process all the good folks of Charlotte that need utility assistance for power, water and gas. The lines just keep on gettting longer and longer. I've also noticed that in the last year that less and less of them are driving their in their POS cars. There are several bus lines that converge here and Wed and Fri is standing room only until they close up.

Thanks to the teaderpers in the state house it has gotten much much worse lately. We cut the maximum UI benefit from $530/wk to $351/wk. Those bastards didn't stop their either. They went and opted out of the federal extensions. Seriously, the state wasn't even paying for it and they took that away too.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/06/30/4137390/north-carolina-w il l-become-first.html#.UjsqGsakpLF

I was going to snark it up and bust on you for having a car while you were a farking freeloader. But stopping to think about what some of my fellow Charlotteans are going through made me a little depressed.
 
2013-09-19 12:59:22 PM
NAFTA.
 
2013-09-19 01:00:04 PM
Mama June.
 
2013-09-19 01:10:13 PM
Society.
 
2013-09-19 01:13:44 PM
This guy.
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2013-09-19 01:14:00 PM
Hitler
www.europeword.com
 
2013-09-19 01:15:49 PM

rikdanger: This guy.
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Because People in power are Stupid: Hitler
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Lol, that worked out pretty well.
 
2013-09-19 01:16:07 PM
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That guy.
 
2013-09-19 01:24:06 PM
My company has been making money hand over fist, and has been since before and through the recession.  I haven't gotten so much as a cost of living raise since 2000.  None of us have (in my organization).  Now we're being told we're too expensive and I may lose my job to one of our Asian Pacific centers, despite the fact that we can measure how poorly they do (and not one thing is being done to improve that).  We have very capable engineers in Chile, and even they are too rich for the company's blood.

Trickle down, indeed.

If I were one of our customers, I'd take a long hard look at whether to renew my support contract.
 
2013-09-19 01:33:03 PM
ungrateful lazy slobs who should just be happy they don't live in Somalia.
 
2013-09-19 01:33:36 PM
1988.Possible causes that year...
April 12 - Former pop singer Sonny Bono is elected mayor of Palm Springs, California.
May 27 - Microsoft releases Windows 2.1
July 20 - The Democratic National Convention in Atlanta, Georgia nominates Michael Dukakis for U.S. President and Lloyd Bentsen for Vice President.
August 11 - Al Qaeda is formed by Osama Bin Laden.
December 9 - The last Dodge Aries and Plymouth Reliant roll off the assembly line in a Chrysler factory.
 
2013-09-19 01:41:50 PM

Diogenes: My company has been making money hand over fist, and has been since before and through the recession.  I haven't gotten so much as a cost of living raise since 2000.  None of us have (in my organization).  Now we're being told we're too expensive and I may lose my job to one of our Asian Pacific centers, despite the fact that we can measure how poorly they do (and not one thing is being done to improve that).  We have very capable engineers in Chile, and even they are too rich for the company's blood.

Trickle down, indeed.

If I were one of our customers, I'd take a long hard look at whether to renew my support contract.


Sorry to hear about your troubles

If I had my way no one would work. Our world would be filled with machines that would take care of us.

There are a lot of people who are against that, however.
 
2013-09-19 01:45:14 PM

cman: Sorry to hear about your troubles


I appreciate it.  Once I get moved (my house, that is) and settled I'm looking to move elsewhere.  I get recognition after recognition, but it never seems enough.  If they don't value me or my team, I see no reason to stay.  Let my boss buy another island and a few yachts without my help.

Unfortunately, it's crystal clear that my company isn't much different than any other these days.
 
2013-09-19 01:53:49 PM

cryinoutloud: I heard something the other day about how, despite the poverty level being just about the same as it was 10 years ago, many more poor people (35% to 80%, something like that) now have internet at home.

Nothing was said about how internet access is now almost a necessity for things like finding work or just getting by in your life, compared to even 10 years ago. Because Wow! clearly poor people are much better off now than they were 10 years ago.


That, and it's significantly cheaper than it was 10 years ago. Most people can get high speed access for $19.99-$29.99/month - a dollar a day at the most.  Considering that so many jobs are only posted online, and even more only accept applications online, it's hardly a luxury. And even as entertainment goes, it's a cheap form of it.  Considering laptops can be easily had for $300 new (less even if you buy used/refurbished) it's really not some outrageous extravagance.

But much like last evening's thread on lobster and SNAP cards, nothing will change these people's opinions that ANYTHING but living in a dirt-floored shack and eating said dirt 3x/day for meals will be far too much for the poor to have, and proof that they're not really poor or in need of assistance/help/decent paying jobs.
 
2013-09-19 01:54:36 PM
This kid, Eddie Skimowitz from 8th Grade, that farker messed up everything!
 
2013-09-19 01:55:24 PM

sammyk: Thanks to the teaderpers in the state house it has gotten much much worse lately. We cut the maximum UI benefit from $530/wk to $351/wk. Those bastards didn't stop their either. They went and opted out of the federal extensions. Seriously, the state wasn't even paying for it and they took that away too


What? Why? How does that even make sense, in any way, other than because they actively wanted to punish the people in the state?
 
2013-09-19 01:56:54 PM

cman: If I had my way no one would work. Our world would be filled with machines that would take care of us.

There are a lot of people who are against that, however.


g4hsocial.com
 
2013-09-19 02:01:02 PM

grokca: I'm not saying it was illegal aliens, but it was illegal aliens.


Muahahaha. Little does it know that we legal aliens are here destroying America with our tripod walkers ready to go.
 
2013-09-19 02:02:04 PM
... it on the bossa nova.
 
2013-09-19 02:02:21 PM
I had an older gentleman once tell me (this was in 2010, mind you) that the reason for the whole housing collapse was because of poor people. Because poor people borrowed too much and caused the economy to fail. I was aghast at this.

Then he later reminisced about how a garbage man or mail man or guy on the factory line could earn enough to buy a new house and a new car on his income- no second income needed. He pined for those days when blue collar jobs could provide for families.

I sat there, listening and I realized that people only hear what they want to hear and believe what they want to believe- even when they know the evidence is contrary to their belief.
 
2013-09-19 02:02:30 PM
Jacobites
 
2013-09-19 02:02:39 PM
Trickle down economics?
 
2013-09-19 02:03:17 PM
We're all so productive. We are surrounded by technologies that used to be described as "labour saving". Yet compared to my parents 40 years ago, we now need both heads of family to work, and we worry more.

Where is all this production? What are we producing? For who? How come we don't reap any benefits from this?

When we 3D print everything from sunbeams, are we all going to work 90 hours a week and have 150 year mortgages?
 
2013-09-19 02:03:19 PM
Thanks, Obama.
 
2013-09-19 02:03:30 PM

Walker: Dwarfs. Freakin dwarfs.

/and is it dwarfs or dwarves? This is why people just say "midgets".


I call them hobbits.
 
2013-09-19 02:03:38 PM
Americans.
Fat, lazy Americans.
Apathetic, lethargic ones.
 
2013-09-19 02:03:40 PM

cman: If I had my way no one would work. Our world would be filled with machines that would take care of us.

There are a lot of people who are against that, however.


That's socialism talk.

Seriously though, I don't mind working, but it's really hard to get ahead and too easy to fall behind.
 
2013-09-19 02:03:45 PM
i41.tinypic.com

Frank Stallone
 
2013-09-19 02:03:57 PM
Substandard seat-support on Lazyboy chairs?
 
2013-09-19 02:04:48 PM
I blame myself, sorry all.
 
2013-09-19 02:04:55 PM

vudukungfu: Americans.
Fat, lazy Americans.
Apathetic, lethargic ones.


But enough about you....
 
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