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(Chicago Trib)   You'd better sit down for this: A new study shows a correlation between liquor and shooting risk   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 28
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2013-09-19 08:40:11 AM
"Somehow life goes on in a place so insane"
 
2013-09-19 08:40:24 AM
Granted it's a confusing game, Risk, but I'd never consider shooting it. Even when drunk.
 
2013-09-19 08:41:50 AM
You're do drunk you're probably seeing double.
 
2013-09-19 08:42:12 AM
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The hell you say . . .
 
2013-09-19 08:43:06 AM
Brought to you by the "Hold My Beer and Watch This" Foundation.
 
2013-09-19 08:43:20 AM
Thank goodness I was sitting down.

I think I'm going to try to get the government to fund a study of my own: "The suspected correlation between alcohol and drunkenness".

Test subjects are needed.  Volunteers?
 
2013-09-19 08:47:20 AM
www.motherjones.com
 
2013-09-19 08:58:28 AM
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2013-09-19 08:59:34 AM
::spit take::
 
2013-09-19 09:12:28 AM
They mean, like, when we have less booze, we shoot more things, right?
 
2013-09-19 09:31:36 AM
If I don't get my liquor, I tend to want to shoot things.

//OK, after-work beer. Still...
 
2013-09-19 09:44:01 AM
FTFA: "You're adding alcohol to an already volatile situation in a distressed community," Dr. Crandall said.

Community members say Crandall's research simply reflects a widely known reality: The corner store is often a high-traffic spot on the South and West sides, and that can lead to drug and gang activity, and thus more violence.


I'd love to see the reaction of one of these community members when presented with this research.

Dr. Crandall: The closer you live to a liquore store in south or western Chicago, the more likely you are to get shot.

Resident: No shiat, biatch.
 
2013-09-19 09:58:14 AM
I actually read TFA.  I know this will bring on a shiatstorm, but I've gotta say - I live in a downtown (urban) area, have seven liquor stores within a square mile radius of where I live and there's government housing about three city blocks from my condo tower.  My chances of being shot walking around my neighbourhood fall somewhere between getting eaten alive by a land shark and being electrocuted by an alien power source.

Gun control does kinda work.

/let the shiatstorm fly
 
2013-09-19 10:14:10 AM
I'll take a shot.
 
2013-09-19 11:22:08 AM
2 things:
"This resturant used to be between a starbucks and a book store.  Now it's in between a liquor store and a pawn shop.  This neighborhood is going downhill grandpa."

"Liquor store, liquor store, gun store- HEY! WHERE ARE YOU TAKING ME?!?"
 
2013-09-19 11:24:41 AM

Literally Addicted: I actually read TFA. I know this will bring on a shiatstorm, but I've gotta say - I live in a downtown (urban) area, have seven liquor stores within a square mile radius of where I live and there's government housing about three city blocks from my condo tower. My chances of being shot walking around my neighbourhood fall somewhere between getting eaten alive by a land shark and being electrocuted by an alien power source.

Gun control does kinda work.


The link between coorelation of ancedotal information into a causative statement of gun control is not supported.  Not a shiatstorm, just a basic logical incongruity.
 
2013-09-19 11:41:51 AM

HeadLever: Literally Addicted: I actually read TFA. I know this will bring on a shiatstorm, but I've gotta say - I live in a downtown (urban) area, have seven liquor stores within a square mile radius of where I live and there's government housing about three city blocks from my condo tower. My chances of being shot walking around my neighbourhood fall somewhere between getting eaten alive by a land shark and being electrocuted by an alien power source.

Gun control does kinda work.

The link between coorelation of ancedotal information into a causative statement of gun control is not supported.  Not a shiatstorm, just a basic logical incongruity.


Kinda sorta, no.

My point was that the location of a place to sell alcohol has a lot less to do with gun violence than the actual presence of guns.  The TFA was misleading in their wording.  You can draw a pretty distictive line from gun violence to guns.  All the highbrow vocabulary in the world doesn't negate that.  Its not theoretical if it's proven.

And before anyone hops on the "there will always be violence" argument...I don't disagree.  There will, as long as there are humans on this planet.
 
2013-09-19 11:51:25 AM
Sit down you say... after news like that, I think I need a drink.
 
2013-09-19 12:13:21 PM

Literally Addicted: And before anyone hops on the "there will always be violence" argument...I don't disagree.  There will, as long as there are humans on this planet.


The Nature Channel would like a word with you.
 
2013-09-19 12:27:48 PM

WelldeadLink: Literally Addicted: And before anyone hops on the "there will always be violence" argument...I don't disagree.  There will, as long as there are humans on this planet.

The Nature Channel would like a word with you.


Yes, yes, there will be storms, wild animals, tectonic plate shifts, etcetera, etcetera...but humans are really the only creatures that use weapons against others (yeah, yeah, yeah, Gorillas, otters, et. al.,...if you're nitpickcking that far, then you're just arguing for the sake of arguing).
 
2013-09-19 12:42:40 PM

Literally Addicted: My point was that the location of a place to sell alcohol has a lot less to do with gun violence than the actual presence of guns

violent people.

Fixed for you.  Where I live, we have more guns that you probably do (55.3% gun ownership) and gun violence is very low (0.8 gun murders per 100K).
 
2013-09-19 01:11:58 PM

HeadLever: Literally Addicted: My point was that the location of a place to sell alcohol has a lot less to do with gun violence than the actual presence of guns violent people.

Fixed for you.  Where I live, we have more guns that you probably do (55.3% gun ownership) and gun violence is very low (0.8 gun murders per 100K).


Do you live in a city of similar size and socio-economic cross-section of TFA?   The article was specifically referring to shootings and their higher likelihood in certain neighbourhoods for their proximity to certain establishments (like liquor stores).

The significant difference between where I live and the one is TFA is gun control (I know, I know, even uttering the phrase is almost a form of communism in the US).  Chicago & Toronto are quite similar, barring sports teams.

The point I made is that because I live someplace that has tighter control on guns, we have less gun crime, no matter the population density or economic status of the individuals living here.

Do we have violence?  You betcha. We even have some gun violence from time to time. But I don't worry about being shot walking my dog near one of the three liquor stores I pass on my walk route.

The TFA was very badly written and it drew inconclusive and inflammatory conclusions.
 
2013-09-19 01:28:34 PM
Alcohol may have been a factor.
 
2013-09-19 02:09:27 PM

Literally Addicted: Do you live in a city of similar size and socio-economic cross-section of TFA? The article was specifically referring to shootings and their higher likelihood in certain neighbourhoods for their proximity to certain establishments (like liquor stores).


Nope, and that is why I corrected yor post.  It is not about the guns, but about the amount of violent folks.
 
2013-09-19 02:39:30 PM

HeadLever: Literally Addicted: Do you live in a city of similar size and socio-economic cross-section of TFA? The article was specifically referring to shootings and their higher likelihood in certain neighbourhoods for their proximity to certain establishments (like liquor stores).

Nope, and that is why I corrected yor post.  It is not about the guns, but about the amount of violent folks.


The article was about gun violence in particular.  You're comparing apples and oranges.

I was going to provide a crapload of empirical evidence comparing Toronto & Chicago, specifically pointing out the disproportionate gun crimes, but I can't really be bothered if you're not going to see the point anyway.

I'm sure that easy access to guns isn't the solid basis to violent crime statistics.

And the world really is flat.  Hang on, or you'll fall off.
 
2013-09-19 02:49:50 PM

Literally Addicted: The article was about gun violence in particular.


and since the violent folks are the cause of gun violence, this makes perfect sense.  Unless you really belive that the guns create the violence.

I'm sure that easy access to guns isn't the solid basis to violent crime statistics.

Idaho gets a score of 2/100 from the Brady Campaign and we are awash in bloodshed here, let me tell you.
 
2013-09-19 09:11:33 PM
"Free gun cleaning kit with each bottle of Wild Turkey!"
"Buy a handle of Jack Daniels and get a free handgun!"
 
/It's mostly a jobs program for statisticians.
 
2013-09-20 12:15:44 AM
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