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(KSL Salt Lake City)   Utah raises their highway speed limit to 80, making it now so much easier to get the hell out of Utah   (ksl.com) divider line 53
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-09-19 08:10:17 AM  
The limit is neither new nor universal. I-70 is still 75 max. I-15 had a test 80 mph zone for a couple years.

They should also fix the speed limits on rural two lanes, which should go up to at least 75 (like in Texas).
 
2013-09-19 08:29:12 AM  
www.letssmiletoday.com
 
2013-09-19 08:32:34 AM  
Nice headline subby. I lol'ed
 
2013-09-19 08:32:58 AM  
 
2013-09-19 08:32:59 AM  
Don't care. No desire to go there.
 
2013-09-19 08:33:54 AM  
jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-19 08:46:26 AM  
Meh. 75, 80... THIS is a speed limit sign that makes sense. What's reasonable and prudent should be the decision of the driver, not some overpaid contract engineer in the state capital.

www.onhiatus.com
 
2013-09-19 08:51:32 AM  
Now if we can get them to raise the alc. content of their beer, we'll be all set.
 
2013-09-19 08:51:51 AM  
Closer...
www.profilesinhistory.com
 
2013-09-19 08:53:00 AM  

destrip: Meh. 75, 80... THIS is a speed limit sign that makes sense. What's reasonable and prudent should be the decision of the driver, not some overpaid contract engineer in the state capital.


Ah, the good old days.
 
2013-09-19 08:54:48 AM  
I should have snagged one of those "speed limit reasonable" signs for the garage while driving through Wyoming, or Colorado years ago.
 
2013-09-19 08:55:19 AM  

destrip: Meh. 75, 80... THIS is a speed limit sign that makes sense. What's reasonable and prudent should be the decision of the driver, not some overpaid contract engineer in the state capital.

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Now me, I'm cool - but what about those idiots and maniacs?
Those farkers are neither reaonable or prudent, I tell ya.
 
2013-09-19 08:57:41 AM  
Ah, yes. I remember the last time my wife and I traveled through Utah. We were heading back east on I-80, the summer of 2008, when prominent Utahans were throwing a ton of money into California to support Prop 8. We very specifically avoided stopping in the state to give them  any money, even a bit of gas tax. We managed to make it across the border into Wyoming with about 1/8th of a tank to spare.
 
2013-09-19 09:01:04 AM  
Why would you want to leave Utah?!
It was one of the most beautiful places I've visited inside of the United States.

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More exciting photos can be seen here!
 
2013-09-19 09:05:09 AM  

WhiskeyBoy: Why would you want to leave Utah?!
It was one of the most beautiful places I've visited inside of the United States.

[s18.postimg.org image 850x637]

More exciting photos can be seen here!


I initially read that as "outside the United States" and giggled like a fiend.
 
2013-09-19 09:08:09 AM  

WhiskeyBoy: Why would you want to leave Utah?!
It was one of the most beautiful places I've visited inside of the United States.


Absolutely.  Bryce. Zion. Moab, Arches. Escalante. Canyonlands. Bunches of great skiing. Utah is awesome.
 
2013-09-19 09:10:59 AM  

yequalsy: WhiskeyBoy: Why would you want to leave Utah?!
It was one of the most beautiful places I've visited inside of the United States.

Absolutely.  Bryce. Zion. Moab, Arches. Escalante. Canyonlands. Bunches of great skiing. Utah is awesome.


Aaaaaaannnnnddd, now you can drive even faster than before.  It's just a win all the way around.
 
2013-09-19 09:11:12 AM  

destrip: Meh. 75, 80... THIS is a speed limit sign that makes sense. What's reasonable and prudent should be the decision of the driver, not some overpaid contract engineer in the state capital.

[www.onhiatus.com image 850x485]


Of course, because drivers are so good at evaluating their own ability to control a car at speed.
 
2013-09-19 09:14:53 AM  

WhiskeyBoy: Why would you want to leave Utah?!
It was one of the most beautiful places I've visited inside of the United States.

[s18.postimg.org image 850x637]

More exciting photos can be seen here!


I've never gotten the claim that deserts are beautiful. They're interesting looking, but repellant.

To me, this is natural beauty. You don't have rainfall, you don't have natural beauty.

www.innvirginia.com
 
2013-09-19 09:25:05 AM  

WhiskeyBoy: Why would you want to leave Utah?!
It was one of the most beautiful places I've visited inside of the United States.

[s18.postimg.org image 850x637]

More exciting photos can be seen here!


Those were some awesome pictures, thanks.
 
2013-09-19 09:27:01 AM  
We're rocking 85mph here in Central TX, presumably so Austinites spend as little time as possible in TX as they return home.

yequalsy: WhiskeyBoy: Why would you want to leave Utah?!
It was one of the most beautiful places I've visited inside of the United States.

Absolutely.  Bryce. Zion. Moab, Arches. Escalante. Canyonlands. Bunches of great skiing. Utah is awesome.


+1 Great place to be outdoors. Really a blast. I worked at the top of a downtown SLC high rise, and on a lunch MTB ride, it was 15 minutes to a dirt trailhead, 3000 ft. of climbing in 45 minutes, and a network of trails that would go all the way to Wyoming.


mbillips: WhiskeyBoy: Why would you want to leave Utah?!
It was one of the most beautiful places I've visited inside of the United States.

[s18.postimg.org image 850x637]

More exciting photos can be seen here!

I've never gotten the claim that deserts are beautiful. They're interesting looking, but repellant.

To me, this is natural beauty. You don't have rainfall, you don't have natural beauty.

[www.innvirginia.com image 500x333]


Never been to Utah, I see:

travel.utah.gov
 
2013-09-19 09:31:13 AM  
Sweet!  Now his ticket is only for 542 mph over the speed limit.
cdn.speednik.com
 
2013-09-19 10:23:40 AM  
So you can actually do 90 mph then?
 
2013-09-19 10:33:53 AM  

WhiskeyBoy: Why would you want to leave Utah?!
It was one of the most beautiful places I've visited inside of the United States.

[s18.postimg.org image 850x637]

More exciting photos can be seen here!

Because many vocal farkers are smug assholes who dont like mormons and dont give a crap about natural beauty? Utah is possibly the most beautiful state in the union (and I've lived in/spent years in some gorgeous states), and the frequency of assholes in the mormon population seems drastically lower than in the general population, but by all means let's all hate on Utah.
 
2013-09-19 10:41:02 AM  
get out of Utah

I still remember it was autumn and the moon was shinin
My '60 Cadillac was rollin through Nebraska Utah whinin
Doin a hundred twenty man the fields was bendin over
Hay down our motor mount and snowin, we was travelin further
All the pipes were blazin and the screamin wheels turnin, turnin
Had my girl beside me brother, brother she was burnin, burnin
 
2013-09-19 11:13:28 AM  

elysive: WhiskeyBoy: Why would you want to leave Utah?!
It was one of the most beautiful places I've visited inside of the United States.

[s18.postimg.org image 850x637]

More exciting photos can be seen here!Because many vocal farkers are smug assholes who dont like mormons and dont give a crap about natural beauty? Utah is possibly the most beautiful state in the union (and I've lived in/spent years in some gorgeous states), and the frequency of assholes in the mormon population seems drastically lower than in the general population, but by all means let's all hate on Utah.


Yeah, I have to say, having been to Hawaii twice, I think it's a close call between the two. If Utah was coastal, I think it would win or me.

The Mormon thing is exaggerated. I grew up in CO and went to CU Boulder, and I'll tell you that moving to SLC for 3 years was an easy and welcome transition. I would move back there before CO, considering recreation and outdoor access.
 
2013-09-19 11:27:34 AM  

elysive: WhiskeyBoy: Why would you want to leave Utah?!
It was one of the most beautiful places I've visited inside of the United States.

[s18.postimg.org image 850x637]

More exciting photos can be seen here!Because many vocal farkers are smug assholes who dont like mormons and dont give a crap about natural beauty? Utah is possibly the most beautiful state in the union (and I've lived in/spent years in some gorgeous states), and the frequency of assholes in the mormon population seems drastically lower than in the general population, but by all means let's all hate on Utah.


While the concentration might be lower, the assholiness potential in the remaining seems to be at a much more distilled state. I would dare say maybe an inversly exponential level. (Fewer assholes, but worse).

Also, the non assholiness ones take the teasing well and can dish it back pretty well when they want.
 
2013-09-19 11:31:00 AM  

WhiskeyBoy: Why would you want to leave Utah?!


Because it is 'flyover' country.  It has republicans in it.    Some folks are just haters.
 
2013-09-19 11:31:47 AM  

waterrockets: elysive:More exciting photos can be seen here!Because many vocal farkers are smug assholes who dont like mormons and dont give a crap about natural beauty? Utah is possibly the most beautiful state in the union (and I've lived in/spent years in some gorgeous states), and the frequency of assholes in the mormon population seems drastically lower than in the general population, but by all means let's all hate on Utah.

Yeah, I have to say, having been to Hawaii twice, I think it's a close call between the two. If Utah was coastal, I think it would win or me.

The Mormon thing is exaggerated. I grew up in CO and went to CU Boulder, and I'll tell you that moving to SLC for 3 years was an easy and welcome transition. I would move back there before CO, considering recreation and outdoor access.


Dang, but Hawaii is high on my travel wish list! I grew up in Oregon, live in Arizona and I've spent tons of time in California and Florida. I'm sure there are some of the "most gorgeous states in the union" missing from that list, including Hawaii, but I'm pretty happy with it for now.

As for the mormon thing, they were strongly represented in Oregon (anyone remember senator Gordon Smith?). I recognize that the religious population in Utah has a lot of influence on the state government. That's the only reason I think I wouldn't want to live there. Of course, politicians are always screwing up otherwise wonderful places (looking at you, AZ!).
 
2013-09-19 11:35:38 AM  

waterrockets: We're rocking 85mph here in Central TX, presumably so Austinites spend as little time as possible in TX as they return home.

yequalsy: WhiskeyBoy: Why would you want to leave Utah?!
It was one of the most beautiful places I've visited inside of the United States.

Absolutely.  Bryce. Zion. Moab, Arches. Escalante. Canyonlands. Bunches of great skiing. Utah is awesome.

+1 Great place to be outdoors. Really a blast. I worked at the top of a downtown SLC high rise, and on a lunch MTB ride, it was 15 minutes to a dirt trailhead, 3000 ft. of climbing in 45 minutes, and a network of trails that would go all the way to Wyoming.


mbillips: WhiskeyBoy: Why would you want to leave Utah?!
It was one of the most beautiful places I've visited inside of the United States.

[s18.postimg.org image 850x637]

More exciting photos can be seen here!

I've never gotten the claim that deserts are beautiful. They're interesting looking, but repellant.

To me, this is natural beauty. You don't have rainfall, you don't have natural beauty.

[www.innvirginia.com image 500x333]

Never been to Utah, I see:

[travel.utah.gov image 648x432]


States are like planets in Star Wars. Everyone speaks the same language, looks the same, is the same religion, and there is only one climate type. Okay, three of the four are true of Utah.
 
2013-09-19 11:43:49 AM  

DORMAMU: elysive: WhiskeyBoy: Why would you want to leave Utah?!
It was one of the most beautiful places I've visited inside of the United States.

[s18.postimg.org image 850x637]

More exciting photos can be seen here!Because many vocal farkers are smug assholes who dont like mormons and dont give a crap about natural beauty? Utah is possibly the most beautiful state in the union (and I've lived in/spent years in some gorgeous states), and the frequency of assholes in the mormon population seems drastically lower than in the general population, but by all means let's all hate on Utah.

While the concentration might be lower, the assholiness potential in the remaining seems to be at a much more distilled state. I would dare say maybe an inversly exponential level. (Fewer assholes, but worse).

Also, the non assholiness ones take the teasing well and can dish it back pretty well when they want.


Thanks for the analysis!
 
2013-09-19 12:06:15 PM  
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There is already an asphalt paradise in Utah I can have a hell of a lot more fun going a hell of a lot faster than 80...
 
2013-09-19 12:16:14 PM  
Bullshiat. The speed limit is already 110 on I-15 in the corridor between Murray and Salt Lake City. And that's in the (R) lane.
 
2013-09-19 12:17:17 PM  

WhiskeyBoy: Why would you want to leave Utah?!
It was one of the most beautiful places I've visited inside of the United States.

[s18.postimg.org image 850x637]

More exciting photos can be seen here!


But did you make it into and out of the 'Bathtub'?

/post pics
 
2013-09-19 12:23:44 PM  
And if you do the new speed limit, people will still pass you like you're standing still.  (Seriously, I-15 is so straight that even 80 still feels slow sometimes).
 
2013-09-19 12:29:07 PM  
Speed limit is what I get to before my engine explodes.
 
2013-09-19 12:33:02 PM  
Utah actually takes good care of I-15, so driving 80+ MPH feels like you're driving on glass.  And traffic is usually light enough outside of the SLC metro that you don't have a lot of clumping.

Meanwhile in Cali, the surface of I-5 has been allow to degrade to really substandard conditions.  Traffic is heavy enough (esp truck traffic) that they really need to add a third lane all the way from Grapevine to Sacramento.  Yet you constantly have aggressive wolf packs doing 80+ when the posted limit is 70.  Lots of cutting, weaving, braking and bone rattling.  It can often be a crappy drive.

If Utah and Arizona could ever agree on how to extend I-17 north to I-15, I'd stop driving through Oregon (the west's speed bump with a 65MPH limit and heavy enforcement) and Cali altogether.
 
2013-09-19 01:05:10 PM  
And I  thought doing 70mph on I-15 north towards Ogden with two lifted, F-350s running 37" tires on either side of  my rinky dink rental car was bad. Sheesh!
 
2013-09-19 01:39:14 PM  

Dinjiin: Utah actually takes good care of I-15, so driving 80+ MPH feels like you're driving on glass.  And traffic is usually light enough outside of the SLC metro that you don't have a lot of clumping.

Meanwhile in Cali, the surface of I-5 has been allow to degrade to really substandard conditions.  Traffic is heavy enough (esp truck traffic) that they really need to add a third lane all the way from Grapevine to Sacramento.  Yet you constantly have aggressive wolf packs doing 80+ when the posted limit is 70.  Lots of cutting, weaving, braking and bone rattling.  It can often be a crappy drive.

If Utah and Arizona could ever agree on how to extend I-17 north to I-15, I'd stop driving through Oregon (the west's speed bump with a 65MPH limit and heavy enforcement) and Cali altogether.


Yup. Fark Oregon and it's artificially chickenshiat cowardly low speed limit.
 
2013-09-19 01:50:07 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Dinjiin: Utah actually takes good care of I-15, so driving 80+ MPH feels like you're driving on glass.  And traffic is usually light enough outside of the SLC metro that you don't have a lot of clumping.

Meanwhile in Cali, the surface of I-5 has been allow to degrade to really substandard conditions.  Traffic is heavy enough (esp truck traffic) that they really need to add a third lane all the way from Grapevine to Sacramento.  Yet you constantly have aggressive wolf packs doing 80+ when the posted limit is 70.  Lots of cutting, weaving, braking and bone rattling.  It can often be a crappy drive.

If Utah and Arizona could ever agree on how to extend I-17 north to I-15, I'd stop driving through Oregon (the west's speed bump with a 65MPH limit and heavy enforcement) and Cali altogether.

Yup. Fark Oregon and it's artificially chickenshiat cowardly low speed limit.


That's why Oregonians always drive so slow, even when they visit other states. They absolutely arent permitted to speed back home. Besides, speeding is somehow considered rude. Littering is forbidden (I think the hwys claimed $500 fines last time I was there) and rude. Honking your horn is rude. Jaywalking is rude. It's a very polite and sometimes inconvenient state.
 
2013-09-19 02:11:08 PM  

elysive: Smeggy Smurf: Dinjiin: Utah actually takes good care of I-15, so driving 80+ MPH feels like you're driving on glass.  And traffic is usually light enough outside of the SLC metro that you don't have a lot of clumping.

Meanwhile in Cali, the surface of I-5 has been allow to degrade to really substandard conditions.  Traffic is heavy enough (esp truck traffic) that they really need to add a third lane all the way from Grapevine to Sacramento.  Yet you constantly have aggressive wolf packs doing 80+ when the posted limit is 70.  Lots of cutting, weaving, braking and bone rattling.  It can often be a crappy drive.

If Utah and Arizona could ever agree on how to extend I-17 north to I-15, I'd stop driving through Oregon (the west's speed bump with a 65MPH limit and heavy enforcement) and Cali altogether.

Yup. Fark Oregon and it's artificially chickenshiat cowardly low speed limit.

That's why Oregonians always drive so slow, even when they visit other states. They absolutely arent permitted to speed back home. Besides, speeding is somehow considered rude. Littering is forbidden (I think the hwys claimed $500 fines last time I was there) and rude. Honking your horn is rude. Jaywalking is rude. It's a very polite and sometimes inconvenient state.


I'm  from here, and that shiat drives me up a wall.

The left-lane-loiterers.
The five-under-cowards.
The throw-a-fit-if-they-hear-a-horn-shiatheads.
The stop-on-green-'tards.

Then those same worthless peckerheads actively try to kill you if they see you riding a motorcycle.  Not squidding about, mind you, just  riding at all.

Grew up rural, so I had to know what passing zones were and how to use them.  People from either metro don't understand that they can pass without there being a second lane, and throw a goddamn tantrum if you pass them (and the slow-ass rig they're following) on a dashed yellow.

Rolling road blocks, swerving "champions of justice", and flat-out hostile people are the norm in the entire PacNW (yes, I'm including Washington in this).  Bunch of selfish sociopaths out here, where one in every twelve cars *will* be used as a projectile weapon if you break what they  imagine the law to be.

That being said, PacNW drivers still aren't the worst in the country.  Vermonters take that crown.  Your roads are awesome, but your people suck.
 
2013-09-19 02:20:00 PM  
As I'll be driving across that state next week, I welcome this news.
 
2013-09-19 02:41:28 PM  

elysive: That's why Oregonians always drive so slow, even when they visit other states. They absolutely arent permitted to speed back home. Besides, speeding is somehow considered rude. Littering is forbidden (I think the hwys claimed $500 fines last time I was there) and rude. Honking your horn is rude. Jaywalking is rude. It's a very polite and sometimes inconvenient state.


I wouldn't have so much of an issue with Oregonians going slow if they just kept right.  But when driving up I-5, especially between Medford and Portland, you get these constant packs of cars camping in the left lane.  It is as if as soon as they get on the freeway, they get into the left lane.  You see them doing it in neighboring states as well (DWO has a different meaning for some of us living in the West).  If there are only two lanes, you end up with walls of steel with dozens of cars stuck behind them.

Here in the Phoenix metro, we get a fair number of rainbirds from Oregon who come down for the winter.  There is a massive influx of them right around Columbus day.  So all of a sudden, you get all of these cars camping in the left lane doing 60-65MPH.  The problem is, about half of the people from the Phoenix metro are transplants from Cali.  So the drivers are fast and aggressive.  It is common to see people driving 70-80 in a 65 zone.  So all of the rude things you listed are common things down here.  And the locals are not at all shy about reminding the rainbirds that their mannerisms are not welcome here.  So for about a month, you see these left-lane campers being tailgated, honked at, high-beamed, flipped off and cut off.  It takes about a month for them all to get the hint and stay in the right lane.

One of the nice things about driving through the mountain states is that people are better about staying to the right.  The 80MPH zones in Utah the article mentioned are like that.  But then, when you're driving that fast, it becomes a lot more important that people do stay right.  Supposedly ODOT is now allowed to raise speeds past 65, which they are looking at doing east of the Cascades.  But unless they change the culture of driving in that state, I'm not sure how safe it would be to do so.
 
2013-09-19 02:46:27 PM  

Dinjiin: elysive: That's why Oregonians always drive so slow, even when they visit other states. They absolutely arent permitted to speed back home. Besides, speeding is somehow considered rude. Littering is forbidden (I think the hwys claimed $500 fines last time I was there) and rude. Honking your horn is rude. Jaywalking is rude. It's a very polite and sometimes inconvenient state.

I wouldn't have so much of an issue with Oregonians going slow if they just kept right.  But when driving up I-5, especially between Medford and Portland, you get these constant packs of cars camping in the left lane.  It is as if as soon as they get on the freeway, they get into the left lane.  You see them doing it in neighboring states as well (DWO has a different meaning for some of us living in the West).  If there are only two lanes, you end up with walls of steel with dozens of cars stuck behind them.

Here in the Phoenix metro, we get a fair number of rainbirds from Oregon who come down for the winter.  There is a massive influx of them right around Columbus day.  So all of a sudden, you get all of these cars camping in the left lane doing 60-65MPH.  The problem is, about half of the people from the Phoenix metro are transplants from Cali.  So the drivers are fast and aggressive.  It is common to see people driving 70-80 in a 65 zone.  So all of the rude things you listed are common things down here.  And the locals are not at all shy about reminding the rainbirds that their mannerisms are not welcome here.  So for about a month, you see these left-lane campers being tailgated, honked at, high-beamed, flipped off and cut off.  It takes about a month for them all to get the hint and stay in the right lane.

One of the nice things about driving through the mountain states is that people are better about staying to the right.  The 80MPH zones in Utah the article mentioned are like that.  But then, when you're driving that fast, it becomes a lot more important that people do stay right.  S ...


I live in PHX metro too. It took my bf a trip home to OR before he suddenly understood why Oregonians drove so damn slow. It is funny how in PHX you get the super slow drivers and then the fast as shiat drivers. I'm usually in between and I think I piss both sides off...but at least I try to always practice lane courtesy.
 
2013-09-19 03:29:45 PM  
Pro tip:
When doing 80 in a 74 Comet, overloaded beyond what a F250 can pull (on the roof) and you can hear your wheel bearings go "wub-wub-wub..."

Best to have that bearing checked.
 
2013-09-19 03:51:31 PM  

ZAZ: The limit is neither new nor universal. I-70 is still 75 max. I-15 had a test 80 mph zone for a couple years.

They should also fix the speed limits on rural two lanes, which should go up to at least 75 (like in Texas).


Yea, I am all for increased speeds on divided roads/highways but 75 on a rural two lane is a bit much, I could see that actually increasing fatalities/accidents.

Dinjiin: elysive: That's why Oregonians always drive so slow, even when they visit other states. They absolutely arent permitted to speed back home. Besides, speeding is somehow considered rude. Littering is forbidden (I think the hwys claimed $500 fines last time I was there) and rude. Honking your horn is rude. Jaywalking is rude. It's a very polite and sometimes inconvenient state.

I wouldn't have so much of an issue with Oregonians going slow if they just kept right.  But when driving up I-5, especially between Medford and Portland, you get these constant packs of cars camping in the left lane.  It is as if as soon as they get on the freeway, they get into the left lane.  You see them doing it in neighboring states as well (DWO has a different meaning for some of us living in the West).  If there are only two lanes, you end up with walls of steel with dozens of cars stuck behind them.


I think I have figured out why that is:  Portland highways suck.  A large portion is two lane and when you combine that with tight (metered) onramps you have cars merging in that are absolutely crawling so basically the right lane is a death trap of a complete stop.  And everything is considered rude there in the Portland way not like people are polite or something everyone is just smug and condescending about their pet peeve(s).    In addition to the highway situation there is an attitude of the people there that is basically "fark you I'll drive in the lane I want".

I wish the states would drop the the "Cars Xmph-Trucks Y" BS.  I think this causes havoc on the freeways.  You can never cruise in the left lane at speed so cars are constantly zipping in and out of lanes.  Arizon has the same speed and it was like I was in a dream.  I traveled in the same lane on cruise for 100miles @ 5 over the limit.  Even had the occasional diesel pass me!

There is no way the increased safety of slower trucks outweighs the weaving and road rage the "X/Y" system causes.
 
2013-09-19 04:13:33 PM  

IRQ12: Dinjiin: elysive: That's why Oregonians always drive so slow, even when they visit other states. They absolutely arent permitted to speed back home. Besides, speeding is somehow considered rude. Littering is forbidden (I think the hwys claimed $500 fines last time I was there) and rude. Honking your horn is rude. Jaywalking is rude. It's a very polite and sometimes inconvenient state.

I wouldn't have so much of an issue with Oregonians going slow if they just kept right.  But when driving up I-5, especially between Medford and Portland, you get these constant packs of cars camping in the left lane.  It is as if as soon as they get on the freeway, they get into the left lane.  You see them doing it in neighboring states as well (DWO has a different meaning for some of us living in the West).  If there are only two lanes, you end up with walls of steel with dozens of cars stuck behind them.

I think I have figured out why that is:  Portland highways suck.  A large portion is two lane and when you combine that with tight (metered) onramps you have cars merging in that are absolutely crawling so basically the right lane is a death trap of a complete stop.  And everything is considered rude there in the Portland way not like people are polite or something everyone is just smug and condescending about their pet peeve(s).    In addition to the highway situation there is an attitude of the people there that is basically "fark you I'll drive in the lane I want".

I wish the states would drop the the "Cars Xmph-Trucks Y" BS.  I think this causes havoc on the freeways.  You can never cruise in ...


I originally referred to Oregonians generally because these behaviors apply to Oregonians who are not from the Portland area. I grew up in a tiny town far from PDX (not even in the same quadrant of the state) and people still engaged in those "smug" behaviors. I dont think all people from OR are smug fart smellers à la PDX or LA. I think it's more likely they are just busy bodies and it's culturally acceptable in that state to mind everyone else's business. Hey, if you're too afraid to break the rules, why should other people get to break the rules with impunity? Left lane vigilantes.

Re: smug busybodies, I was once in Hollywood with a friend from DC, when a couple of young tan guys in a Jeep came blasting up to berate my friend for not stopping completely at a stop sign. My friend may have been in the wrong. but I really wanted to ask them where the term "California stop" originated. At least people in Arizona usually mind their own business.
 
2013-09-19 05:04:46 PM  

Kuroshin: elysive: Smeggy Smurf: Dinjiin: Utah actually takes good care of I-15, so driving 80+ MPH feels like you're driving on glass.  And traffic is usually light enough outside of the SLC metro that you don't have a lot of clumping.

Meanwhile in Cali, the surface of I-5 has been allow to degrade to really substandard conditions.  Traffic is heavy enough (esp truck traffic) that they really need to add a third lane all the way from Grapevine to Sacramento.  Yet you constantly have aggressive wolf packs doing 80+ when the posted limit is 70.  Lots of cutting, weaving, braking and bone rattling.  It can often be a crappy drive.

If Utah and Arizona could ever agree on how to extend I-17 north to I-15, I'd stop driving through Oregon (the west's speed bump with a 65MPH limit and heavy enforcement) and Cali altogether.

Yup. Fark Oregon and it's artificially chickenshiat cowardly low speed limit.

That's why Oregonians always drive so slow, even when they visit other states. They absolutely arent permitted to speed back home. Besides, speeding is somehow considered rude. Littering is forbidden (I think the hwys claimed $500 fines last time I was there) and rude. Honking your horn is rude. Jaywalking is rude. It's a very polite and sometimes inconvenient state.

I'm  from here, and that shiat drives me up a wall.

The left-lane-loiterers.
The five-under-cowards.
The throw-a-fit-if-they-hear-a-horn-shiatheads.
The stop-on-green-'tards.

Then those same worthless peckerheads actively try to kill you if they see you riding a motorcycle.  Not squidding about, mind you, just  riding at all.

Grew up rural, so I had to know what passing zones were and how to use them.  People from either metro don't understand that they can pass without there being a second lane, and throw a goddamn tantrum if you pass them (and the slow-ass rig they're following) on a dashed yellow.

Rolling road blocks, swerving "champions of justice", and flat-out hostile people are the norm in the entire PacNW ( ...


If they kill some Gypsy Jokers I'll give them a pass
 
2013-09-19 06:00:38 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Yup. Fark Oregon and it's artificially chickenshiat cowardly low speed limit.


Oh, is this why cars with Oregon plates have disproportionate representation when it comes to driving slowly in the left lane here in Utah?  I keep thinking it must be confirmation bias on my part, but I see it so often it's hard not to perceive a pattern there.
 
2013-09-19 06:24:02 PM  
Uh, Subby, a higher speed limit does not make it easier to get out of Utah
It was always, well maybe not so much in wagon days, to get out of Utah
You just quite simply, do it
Perhaps what you should have gone with, is that raising the speed limit allows one to get out of Utah more quickly
 
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