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2013-09-19 08:32:23 AM
Chrome > IE  > Firefox > Your Mom > Safari.
 
2013-09-19 08:34:21 AM
FTA: Or stop using the browser

Fix already applied.
 
2013-09-19 08:48:41 AM
Hopefully the fix will fix the drop down button which has the search button hidden underneath it in IE11.  It bugs me that I keep clicking on that drop down button like I have for YEARS and it then brings up that crappy Bing.
 
2013-09-19 09:03:09 AM

Jim from Saint Paul: Chrome > IE  > Firefox > Your Mom > Safari.


I admit FF has been a bit frustrating of late, but worse than IE? C'mon...

/I swear Google intentionally throttles FF users on their sites.
 
2013-09-19 09:03:44 AM
I stopped using Outlook also when I stopped using IE. Will NEVER go back to either!
 
2013-09-19 09:26:14 AM
HA! We still use IE 6 at work!
 
2013-09-19 09:48:00 AM
We are doing a major upgrade to a website our company uses and we just had our training on the site yesterday.  The site is used by our customers exclusivley and during the training I asked a simple question "does the site work on FF, Chrome or mobile devices?".  What I got was a 30 minute rant from the 'business owner' who said using FF or Chrome was useless since those browser have such a small market share, it would not be worth it to develop the site for those.

When I explained the security risks in IE versus the others the response was that FF and Chrome, because they are not 'maintained as vigorously as IE' are a bigger security risk.  I explained IE had to 'maintained' a lot because there are a ton of security flaws and got a 'right, just what I expect an IT guy to say'.  This went on for 30 minutes until I explained that I didn't care if they were used, but customers might when their information is compromised.

I have a meeting with HR this morning.
 
2013-09-19 09:49:21 AM
I have actually been (sigh) using IE on Win8 lately because it seems to be more reliable when playing netflix stuff. Chrome's flash plugin will crash a lot of the time when i pause.
 
2013-09-19 09:51:26 AM

bluenote13: We are doing a major upgrade to a website our company uses and we just had our training on the site yesterday.  The site is used by our customers exclusivley and during the training I asked a simple question "does the site work on FF, Chrome or mobile devices?".  What I got was a 30 minute rant from the 'business owner' who said using FF or Chrome was useless since those browser have such a small market share, it would not be worth it to develop the site for those.

When I explained the security risks in IE versus the others the response was that FF and Chrome, because they are not 'maintained as vigorously as IE' are a bigger security risk.  I explained IE had to 'maintained' a lot because there are a ton of security flaws and got a 'right, just what I expect an IT guy to say'.  This went on for 30 minutes until I explained that I didn't care if they were used, but customers might when their information is compromised.

I have a meeting with HR this morning.


I love guys like you at work that interrupt meetings with shiat that I won't say, cause I don't want to take the heat.
 
2013-09-19 10:01:36 AM
At my job we use IE without a WSUS server. Any updates get done when and if I can get the time to do them.

/been asking for the WSUS server for over a year
//not considered a high priority
 
2013-09-19 10:03:16 AM

reggaejunkiejew: I love guys like you at work that interrupt meetings with shiat that I won't say, cause I don't want to take the heat.


Seriously, why would he even ask that question?  IE uses web standards and if it works in IE it's going to work in FF, Chrome, Avast, Opera, Safari, etc.  Some sites work better but for the most part they all just work.  IE10 can suck my balls though,  God how can it not even display Amazon correctly?  I'm too lazy to uninstall it though.
 
2013-09-19 10:04:37 AM

bluenote13: We are doing a major upgrade to a website our company uses and we just had our training on the site yesterday.  The site is used by our customers exclusivley and during the training I asked a simple question "does the site work on FF, Chrome or mobile devices?".  What I got was a 30 minute rant from the 'business owner' who said using FF or Chrome was useless since those browser have such a small market share, it would not be worth it to develop the site for those.

When I explained the security risks in IE versus the others the response was that FF and Chrome, because they are not 'maintained as vigorously as IE' are a bigger security risk.  I explained IE had to 'maintained' a lot because there are a ton of security flaws and got a 'right, just what I expect an IT guy to say'.  This went on for 30 minutes until I explained that I didn't care if they were used, but customers might when their information is compromised.

I have a meeting with HR this morning.


Funny.  According to Google Analytics my schools website is visited by 28% IE, 28% Safari, 20% Chrome and 15% Firefox.  So I would say that IE is not the dominant force anymore.

/Only 55% visited using Windows
//Mobile is 68% iOS
///Blackberry is .09% - Hahahaha
 
2013-09-19 10:09:39 AM

asquian: At my job we use IE without a WSUS server. Any updates get done when and if I can get the time to do them.

/been asking for the WSUS server for over a year
//not considered a high priority


Yup same, what sucks even worse is having Deep Freeze so I can't even tell them to do it themselves.
 
2013-09-19 10:30:13 AM

kittyhas1000legs: HA! We still use IE 6 at work!


You are 5 versions behind.  You suck.
 
2013-09-19 10:32:22 AM
IE is actually the most popular browser in the US, which explains a lot.

Jim from Saint Paul: Chrome > IE  > Firefox > Your Mom > Safari.


And then there is this idiot.
 
2013-09-19 10:36:04 AM
I just switched back to Chrome after switching to Firefox for a few months. I can't believe I ever left Chrome. It's like getting a breath of fresh air compared to that slow-ass Firefox monstrosity. WTF was I thinking?
 
2013-09-19 10:38:32 AM

doczoidberg: I just switched back to Chrome after switching to Firefox for a few months. I can't believe I ever left Chrome. It's like getting a breath of fresh air compared to that slow-ass Firefox monstrosity. WTF was I thinking?


That you don't like Google spying on you?
 
2013-09-19 10:43:11 AM

doczoidberg: I just switched back to Chrome after switching to Firefox for a few months. I can't believe I ever left Chrome. It's like getting a breath of fresh air compared to that slow-ass Firefox monstrosity. WTF was I thinking?


"I like having a huge memory-suck running as often as possible"?

I was a hardcore FF guy for a while, but enough's enough. I figured Google needed a few more insights into my online life.

//IE8 at work. I hate this browser.
 
2013-09-19 10:50:01 AM
I don't understand the love for Chrome. I've tried using it, but the pop up blocker seemed pretty much worthless. On Firefox, I may have one pop up slip through once a month. Firefox hit a rough patch, but I've never had any real problems with it.
 
2013-09-19 10:50:09 AM

doczoidberg: I just switched back to Chrome after switching to Firefox for a few months. I can't believe I ever left Chrome. It's like getting a breath of fresh air compared to that slow-ass Firefox monstrosity. WTF was I thinking?


That the extra .1 second startup time was too much?
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/chrome-27-firefox-21-opera-next, 35 34-4.html

Seriously, I don't know what people are doing wrong with FF for it to be notably slower.  I've side by sided Chrome and FF a few times, and the speed difference between the two was barely noticeable, and that's before add-ons that speed things up like script, ad, and flash blockers. I stick with FF just because I'm more used to it, as I've never seen enough of a difference to bother to switch over.

Is this a Poe? Trolling? Paid Google shill?
 
2013-09-19 10:53:16 AM

TNel: reggaejunkiejew: I love guys like you at work that interrupt meetings with shiat that I won't say, cause I don't want to take the heat.

Seriously, why would he even ask that question?  IE uses web standards and if it works in IE it's going to work in FF, Chrome, Avast, Opera, Safari, etc.  Some sites work better but for the most part they all just work.  IE10 can suck my balls though,  God how can it not even display Amazon correctly?  I'm too lazy to uninstall it though.


Not true.  If you go to the website we are updating in FF or Chrome there is a message that explictly says, "This will only run on IE 7 or higher".  It will not even render the log in boxes in Chrome, FF or Safari.
 
2013-09-19 10:56:39 AM

Gonz: doczoidberg: I just switched back to Chrome after switching to Firefox for a few months. I can't believe I ever left Chrome. It's like getting a breath of fresh air compared to that slow-ass Firefox monstrosity. WTF was I thinking?

"I like having a huge memory-suck running as often as possible"?

I was a hardcore FF guy for a while, but enough's enough. I figured Google needed a few more insights into my online life.

//IE8 at work. I hate this browser.


This is at least still a fairly reasonable objection, once in a while I get curious and pop up task manager and FF can be using a goodly bit of RAM depending on just how much I'm having it do. That said, the 500MB-1GB or RAM it might be using is a drop in the bucket of the 16GB my system is running(and never comes anywhere near to using, I think I once had it(the PC) peak just over 8GB having it run a windowed game and Netflix at the same time. Darksiders, if memory serves).

I suppose if I were using a pc with a paltry 2GB of RAM, then I'd probably see the use Chrome, certainly. As it is, my work laptop runs 8GB and my home PC 16GB(would have been 32GB, but I misjudged the RAM brand when I bought the board, and it loses stability when I try to slot anything over 16. Reminds me I really should see about updating the BIOS and trying again, just for the hell of it).
 
2013-09-19 11:02:52 AM
I should have read a bit further, apparently I'm wrong, FF's memory use is actually on the low end now. When under a multi tab load(which mine ALWAYS is).
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/chrome-27-firefox-21-opera-next, 35 34-9.html

go figure.
 
2013-09-19 12:00:15 PM

bluenote13: TNel: reggaejunkiejew: I love guys like you at work that interrupt meetings with shiat that I won't say, cause I don't want to take the heat.

Seriously, why would he even ask that question?  IE uses web standards and if it works in IE it's going to work in FF, Chrome, Avast, Opera, Safari, etc.  Some sites work better but for the most part they all just work.  IE10 can suck my balls though,  God how can it not even display Amazon correctly?  I'm too lazy to uninstall it though.

Not true.  If you go to the website we are updating in FF or Chrome there is a message that explictly says, "This will only run on IE 7 or higher".  It will not even render the log in boxes in Chrome, FF or Safari.


Yeah, most Deltek's software only partially works in Chrome and FF, and that's unfortunately an important toolset for our operations (not for production, fortunately).
 
2013-09-19 12:04:18 PM

waterrockets: bluenote13: TNel: reggaejunkiejew: I love guys like you at work that interrupt meetings with shiat that I won't say, cause I don't want to take the heat.

Seriously, why would he even ask that question?  IE uses web standards and if it works in IE it's going to work in FF, Chrome, Avast, Opera, Safari, etc.  Some sites work better but for the most part they all just work.  IE10 can suck my balls though,  God how can it not even display Amazon correctly?  I'm too lazy to uninstall it though.

Not true.  If you go to the website we are updating in FF or Chrome there is a message that explictly says, "This will only run on IE 7 or higher".  It will not even render the log in boxes in Chrome, FF or Safari.

Yeah, most Deltek's software only partially works in Chrome and FF, and that's unfortunately an important toolset for our operations (not for production, fortunately).


Odd that company would do that.
 
2013-09-19 12:07:45 PM

TNel: waterrockets: bluenote13: TNel: reggaejunkiejew: I love guys like you at work that interrupt meetings with shiat that I won't say, cause I don't want to take the heat.

Seriously, why would he even ask that question?  IE uses web standards and if it works in IE it's going to work in FF, Chrome, Avast, Opera, Safari, etc.  Some sites work better but for the most part they all just work.  IE10 can suck my balls though,  God how can it not even display Amazon correctly?  I'm too lazy to uninstall it though.

Not true.  If you go to the website we are updating in FF or Chrome there is a message that explictly says, "This will only run on IE 7 or higher".  It will not even render the log in boxes in Chrome, FF or Safari.

Yeah, most Deltek's software only partially works in Chrome and FF, and that's unfortunately an important toolset for our operations (not for production, fortunately).

Odd that company would do that.


Contrary to the opinion of certain parties, business are rarely on the cusp of new technology. They are usually run by old people with old ideas who will stubbornly stick to those ideas because "that's the way we always done it."

/Work for a newspaper in a small town
//Owner believes the "community" newspaper still has a future, doesn't realize that its job can be done with a Bloggr account.
 
2013-09-19 12:08:09 PM
cdn.thenextweb.com
 
2013-09-19 12:21:15 PM

waterrockets: bluenote13: TNel: reggaejunkiejew: I love guys like you at work that interrupt meetings with shiat that I won't say, cause I don't want to take the heat.

Seriously, why would he even ask that question?  IE uses web standards and if it works in IE it's going to work in FF, Chrome, Avast, Opera, Safari, etc.  Some sites work better but for the most part they all just work.  IE10 can suck my balls though,  God how can it not even display Amazon correctly?  I'm too lazy to uninstall it though.

Not true.  If you go to the website we are updating in FF or Chrome there is a message that explictly says, "This will only run on IE 7 or higher".  It will not even render the log in boxes in Chrome, FF or Safari.

Yeah, most Deltek's software only partially works in Chrome and FF, and that's unfortunately an important toolset for our operations (not for production, fortunately).


At first I was reading this like you worked for Deltek. I was going to offer to sodomize you with a tire iron.

I. farking. Hate. Deltek. Can't stress that enough.

//Nothing personal
 
2013-09-19 01:55:36 PM
I've been using Firefox for about a decade and I have NEVER had the problems which people whine about on threads such as this. Nowadays, I use a 64-bit variant of Firefox.

I think that the Venn Diagram of folks who don't like Firefox and those who don't know how to use their computer has a lot of overlap.

Also, I don't know how people can use a browser which, at a minimum, doesn't have AdBlock, NoScript, and has a much lower level of configurability. When I try to use Chrome or IE, I'm immediately frustrated at how little of the website and how much of the browser is on my screen, as well as the fact that I cannot customize any of that or even the tab colors or the navigation bar color.

// Shrug.
 
2013-09-19 04:47:04 PM

IntertubeUser: When I try to use Chrome or IE, I'm immediately frustrated at how little of the website and how much of the browser is on my screen


Both the IE10 and Chrome UI take up less space than Firefox.
 
2013-09-19 05:10:24 PM

Hand Banana: IntertubeUser: When I try to use Chrome or IE, I'm immediately frustrated at how little of the website and how much of the browser is on my screen

Both the IE10 and Chrome UI take up less space than Firefox.


IE10 is crap, and Chrome is an open door for Google into your computer. I have a 16 GB RAM, so why the fark would I care about a little extra memory being used?
 
2013-09-19 05:18:58 PM

LoneWolf343: Hand Banana: IntertubeUser: When I try to use Chrome or IE, I'm immediately frustrated at how little of the website and how much of the browser is on my screen

Both the IE10 and Chrome UI take up less space than Firefox.

IE10 is crap, and Chrome is an open door for Google into your computer. I have a 16 GB RAM, so why the fark would I care about a little extra memory being used?


Who said anything about RAM? Read more carefully next time :P

Actually IE10 isn't that bad at all, and the whole Google spyware thing is just paranoid tinfoil hat FUD. It has an optional feature that collects anonymous usage statistics and that feature is turned off by default. The people who are afraid to use Chrome because they think it spies on them really shouldn't even be on the internet; heaven help them if they find out what every site they visit logs about them.
 
2013-09-19 05:29:57 PM

Hand Banana: LoneWolf343: Hand Banana: IntertubeUser: When I try to use Chrome or IE, I'm immediately frustrated at how little of the website and how much of the browser is on my screen

Both the IE10 and Chrome UI take up less space than Firefox.

IE10 is crap, and Chrome is an open door for Google into your computer. I have a 16 GB RAM, so why the fark would I care about a little extra memory being used?

Who said anything about RAM? Read more carefully next time :P

Actually IE10 isn't that bad at all, and the whole Google spyware thing is just paranoid tinfoil hat FUD. It has an optional feature that collects anonymous usage statistics and that feature is turned off by default. The people who are afraid to use Chrome because they think it spies on them really shouldn't even be on the internet; heaven help them if they find out what every site they visit logs about them.


More like hoping it was about RAM, because given how large hard drives are now, hand-wringing over a few extra megabytes for your internet browser is just retarded. But, no, it looks like you really are that dumb.
 
2013-09-19 05:46:01 PM

LoneWolf343: Hand Banana: LoneWolf343: Hand Banana: IntertubeUser: When I try to use Chrome or IE, I'm immediately frustrated at how little of the website and how much of the browser is on my screen

Both the IE10 and Chrome UI take up less space than Firefox.

IE10 is crap, and Chrome is an open door for Google into your computer. I have a 16 GB RAM, so why the fark would I care about a little extra memory being used?

Who said anything about RAM? Read more carefully next time :P

Actually IE10 isn't that bad at all, and the whole Google spyware thing is just paranoid tinfoil hat FUD. It has an optional feature that collects anonymous usage statistics and that feature is turned off by default. The people who are afraid to use Chrome because they think it spies on them really shouldn't even be on the internet; heaven help them if they find out what every site they visit logs about them.

More like hoping it was about RAM, because given how large hard drives are now, hand-wringing over a few extra megabytes for your internet browser is just retarded. But, no, it looks like you really are that dumb.


I'm not sure if I'm being trolled or if you're just stupid. The post I was replying to was talking about how much screen space the user interface takes up. I assume you know how to read since you are replying to my posts so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you aren't a complete idiot and just mark you down as a troll.
 
2013-09-19 05:52:38 PM

Hand Banana: LoneWolf343: Hand Banana: LoneWolf343: Hand Banana: IntertubeUser: When I try to use Chrome or IE, I'm immediately frustrated at how little of the website and how much of the browser is on my screen

Both the IE10 and Chrome UI take up less space than Firefox.

IE10 is crap, and Chrome is an open door for Google into your computer. I have a 16 GB RAM, so why the fark would I care about a little extra memory being used?

Who said anything about RAM? Read more carefully next time :P

Actually IE10 isn't that bad at all, and the whole Google spyware thing is just paranoid tinfoil hat FUD. It has an optional feature that collects anonymous usage statistics and that feature is turned off by default. The people who are afraid to use Chrome because they think it spies on them really shouldn't even be on the internet; heaven help them if they find out what every site they visit logs about them.

More like hoping it was about RAM, because given how large hard drives are now, hand-wringing over a few extra megabytes for your internet browser is just retarded. But, no, it looks like you really are that dumb.

I'm not sure if I'm being trolled or if you're just stupid. The post I was replying to was talking about how much screen space the user interface takes up. I assume you know how to read since you are replying to my posts so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you aren't a complete idiot and just mark you down as a troll.


Yeah, that doesn't help your case...like, at all. "Hmm, I need a few more square centimeters of screen. I know, I'll just use browser that are massive security holes!"
 
2013-09-19 06:49:49 PM

Hand Banana: IntertubeUser: When I try to use Chrome or IE, I'm immediately frustrated at how little of the website and how much of the browser is on my screen

Both the IE10 and Chrome UI take up less space than Firefox.


Not on my computer. Without going into fullscreen mode, I have the tabs at the top on one line, the navigation controls and Omnibar underneath that on another line, the scroll bar on the right, and nothing but website on the rest of my screen.
 
2013-09-19 07:06:53 PM
Quality is a poor indicator of popularity.

Just ask Scott Pilgrim's box office numbers how much being popular on the internet counts for...
 
2013-09-19 09:21:53 PM

IntertubeUser: Hand Banana: IntertubeUser: When I try to use Chrome or IE, I'm immediately frustrated at how little of the website and how much of the browser is on my screen

Both the IE10 and Chrome UI take up less space than Firefox.

Not on my computer. Without going into fullscreen mode, I have the tabs at the top on one line, the navigation controls and Omnibar underneath that on another line, the scroll bar on the right, and nothing but website on the rest of my screen.


That sounds like the default Firefox setup. I have all three installed and by default IE10 takes up less space since the tabs and address bar are on a single line. Chrome takes up about the same amount as Firefox but slightly less. Doesn't matter really, all three take up a negligible amount of the screen space for the UI

You are right that Firefox wins on customization. That's the main thing I still don't like about Internet Explorer, you just can't customize the UI at all. I prefer Chrome myself though, I find it to be faster and more stable than Firefox has been for the last dozen versions.
 
2013-09-19 09:39:03 PM

Hand Banana: IntertubeUser: Hand Banana: IntertubeUser: When I try to use Chrome or IE, I'm immediately frustrated at how little of the website and how much of the browser is on my screen

Both the IE10 and Chrome UI take up less space than Firefox.

Not on my computer. Without going into fullscreen mode, I have the tabs at the top on one line, the navigation controls and Omnibar underneath that on another line, the scroll bar on the right, and nothing but website on the rest of my screen.

That sounds like the default Firefox setup. I have all three installed and by default IE10 takes up less space since the tabs and address bar are on a single line. Chrome takes up about the same amount as Firefox but slightly less. Doesn't matter really, all three take up a negligible amount of the screen space for the UI

You are right that Firefox wins on customization. That's the main thing I still don't like about Internet Explorer, you just can't customize the UI at all. I prefer Chrome myself though, I find it to be faster and more stable than Firefox has been for the last dozen versions.


I may be the only person on the planet who gets excited about how little of the browser and how much of the website is visible on my screen. It may be a psychological disorder.

What kind of stability issues are you having? Because (I swear ... no one's paying me or holding my family hostage here), the only issues that I've ever had have been directly related to flash plugins. And I haven't had an issue with that in years.

And, in the interest of full disclosure, I'm using a 64-bit variant of FF called Pale Moon these days.
 
2013-09-19 09:39:23 PM
IE10 is better than Chrome at rendering table cells at decimal percentages of the table height, for whatever that's worth.
 
2013-09-20 01:11:26 AM

asquian: I should have read a bit further, apparently I'm wrong, FF's memory use is actually on the low end now. When under a multi tab load(which mine ALWAYS is).
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/chrome-27-firefox-21-opera-next, 35 34-9.html

go figure.


that was the thing that made me ditch Chrome.  it was nice, but they pulled a fast one (kind of like IE) where all the tabs were all divided in the memory thing.  adding them up equaled FF or more. so great it was faster if i had one tab...

plus the spinning circle on Chrome that was always loading (in the tab) while FF would instantly say it didn't load, and Noscript and AdBlock work way better in FF (on my old computer and the new one i bought in the last 6 months).

as for the article, someone needs to yell at the Salesforce people to make it compliant with FF again.  IE is painful and makes awful sounds.
 
2013-09-20 01:33:09 AM

R.P.M.: that was the thing that made me ditch Chrome.  it was nice, but they pulled a fast one (kind of like IE) where all the tabs were all divided in the memory thing.  adding them up equaled FF or more. so great it was faster if i had one tab...


They aren't pulling anything, it's actually for stability. By running each tab and plugin in it's own process it means if a web page or plugin crashes it doesn't bring down the entire browser. You can just close the tab or reload it.
 
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