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2013-09-19 08:02:44 AM  
It's cool to hate PA right now.
 
2013-09-19 08:03:00 AM  
People are too thin skinned.  All of this happened because some people took offense at this comic and were vocal about it.  If you are so sensitive that you think this strip is "glorifying rape culture" then you need to take a few dozen chill pills.

The title of the strip is "The Sixth Slave"

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2013-09-19 08:04:02 AM  
Subby, you should've put a trigger warning in that headline for victims of Dickwolf rape.
 
2013-09-19 08:04:29 AM  
Lately, as I push into various creative endeavors that need to be marketed, I look at the rest of the geek community to see what they're doing, and how they're doing it. Board games, comics, apparel, I have a bunch of things that need pushing across an online community. What does this community do online? How do I reach them.

Apparently, they're giving a shiat about what other people, people they don't personally know, say or do, weeks and months and years after the fact. It's not this event, it's the regular theme of the community - using the internet primarily to biatch at each other, not just amongst fans, but with and amongst content creators.

It really leaves me with a sense of dread and futility, because if I don't understand these people, how do I take their money in exchange for goods? I understood the 80's geeks that came before me. Yeah dude, pop on some Slayer and let's play some Space Hulk. Carmack 4 Lyfe, bro! These were sentiments I could appreciate a decade later.

Now, now I'm just dazed and confused.
 
2013-09-19 08:15:44 AM  

quantum_csc: People are too thin skinned. All of this happened because some people took offense at this comic and were vocal about it. If you are so sensitive that you think this strip is "glorifying rape culture" then you need to take a few dozen chill pills.


To some people, someone merely saying the word "rape" glorifies it.  God forbid it's used in any a comic in any way whatsoever; that just means you're on Team Rape and hate women.
Now look what you've done.  You've gone and made me glorify rape culture too, damn you!
 
2013-09-19 08:18:11 AM  
Personally, I don't find the comic offensive at all. I can understand why some people do, but The PA guys have every right to post what they want on their site.

I think this wouldn't have been such a big deal if Mike hadn't gotten butthurt over the anti-comic butthurt or tried to troll the complainers with the Dickwolves shirts.

Flip-flopping on putting up and taking down the shirts only added fuel to fire, especially since his decision seemed to be based on the fact that it was bringing lots of negative publicity to PAX, not because he was actually remorseful.
 
2013-09-19 08:19:07 AM  

ReverendJasen: quantum_csc: People are too thin skinned. All of this happened because some people took offense at this comic and were vocal about it. If you are so sensitive that you think this strip is "glorifying rape culture" then you need to take a few dozen chill pills.

To some people, someone merely saying the word "rape" glorifies it.  God forbid it's used in any a comic in any way whatsoever; that just means you're on Team Rape and hate women.
Now look what you've done.  You've gone and made me glorify rape culture too, damn you!


You only mentioned rape, not rape-rape, so you're safe.
 
2013-09-19 08:21:21 AM  
Don't tell anyone that one of the cards in his own game is "Date Rape".
 
2013-09-19 08:22:53 AM  
It's a shame Dickwolves aren't real. This guy seems like he needs a good Dickwolf rape.
 
2013-09-19 08:27:50 AM  

YodaTuna: Don't tell anyone that one of the cards in his own game is "Date Rape".


Yeah, it seems a bit hypocritical to knock the PA guys on this when some of the stuff on his cards makes getting raped by wolves sound pleasant.
 
2013-09-19 08:28:29 AM  

FuryOfFirestorm: You only mentioned rape, not rape-rape, so you're safe.


That is because he really doesn't like rape.
 
2013-09-19 08:35:41 AM  

quantum_csc: People are too thin skinned. All of this happened because some people took offense at this comic and were vocal about it.


Without weighing in a personal opinion, I just want to point out that the main controversy isn't about the comic, it's about PA subsequently making and selling shirts that said things like "Proud member of the Penny Arcade Dickwolves".
 
2013-09-19 08:38:15 AM  
Read the blog post. Note, BLOG POST.

I don't feel any particular need to engage in ad hominem towards the article writer, save to say that this reeks of the writer's own personal damage, rather than there being any real issue here other than just that, people who have their own personal damage towards rape who "cope" with it by going after everyone else who dares to use the term.

If it happens to someone, it's a terrible thing, and can and often does scar a person for the rest of their life.  But remember, humor is a coping mechanism too, and trivializing and making fun of it is how other people deal with it, by taking away and gravity the term might have.

Treat the real act seriously, make fun of it everywhere else.
 
2013-09-19 08:44:19 AM  

FuryOfFirestorm: YodaTuna: Don't tell anyone that one of the cards in his own game is "Date Rape".

Yeah, it seems a bit hypocritical to knock the PA guys on this when some of the stuff on his cards makes getting raped by wolves sound pleasant.


To be fair I think the creators of CAH realize that people playing it are going to be doing so among a group of people who are ok with being deliberately offensive for the purposes of the game. I don't think the two are really comparable.

As for Penny Arcade, on the one hand I think the comic itself was fine. The comic didn't belittle or glorify rape or rape victims. Some people were likely getting offended on other people's behalf, which happens a lot on the internet. That said they could have handled it better, and then they went full on asshole about it.
 
2013-09-19 08:44:37 AM  
FTFA: "Boycotting PAX creates a huge problem as well: If all of the progressive people boycott PAX it will just become a carnival of rape culture and there will be no cool game show to go to."

Holy God, these people have a remarkably high opinion of themselves.

/This is a quote from someone whose card game features a card bearing the words, "Surprise Sex"
 
2013-09-19 08:50:43 AM  

entropic_existence: FuryOfFirestorm: YodaTuna: Don't tell anyone that one of the cards in his own game is "Date Rape".

Yeah, it seems a bit hypocritical to knock the PA guys on this when some of the stuff on his cards makes getting raped by wolves sound pleasant.

To be fair I think the creators of CAH realize that people playing it are going to be doing so among a group of people who are ok with being deliberately offensive for the purposes of the game. I don't think the two are really comparable.


You don't think that the creators of PA assume that the people reading it are "okay with [the comic] being deliberately offensive for the purposes of [humor]?"
 
2013-09-19 08:50:58 AM  

lamecomedian: FTFA: "Boycotting PAX creates a huge problem as well: If all of the progressive people boycott PAX it will just become a carnival of rape culture and there will be no cool game show to go to."

Holy God, these people have a remarkably high opinion of themselves.

/This is a quote from someone whose card game features a card bearing the words, "Surprise Sex"


I read the article, and it seemed to me that the writer was more pissed about the controversy because it took attention away from his efforts to promote CAH, and not because he was genuinely upset about "rape culture" or some other stupidity, as if wearing a Dickwolves shirt is going to suddenly cause mass gang rapes to break out at PAX.
 
2013-09-19 08:53:00 AM  

Meethos: It's a shame Dickwolves aren't real. This guy seems like he needs a good Dickwolf rape.


Then it could be "ripped from the headlines" on L&O:SVU.
 
2013-09-19 08:53:12 AM  

quantum_csc: People are too thin skinned.  All of this happened because some people took offense at this comic and were vocal about it.  If you are so sensitive that you think this strip is "glorifying rape culture" then you need to take a few dozen chill pills.

The title of the strip is "The Sixth Slave"

[art.penny-arcade.com image 800x401]


The whole issue very quickly had nothing to do with the original strip and everything to do with them, rather than doing basically anything other than what they did, making further comics to taunt their critics and make dickwolves merchandise. There is nothing wrong with the original strip. Rape isn't the punchline, the typical MMO player's character being a heartless bastard as a result of bizarre quest mechanics is, they just used the most awful thing they could think of for what the people he was saving were suffering to drive the point home. If they'd done a 'sorry, but this is what we were going for, we weren't trying to make fun of rape' type statement or even just ignored it no one would know what a Dickwolf was today. But they didn't, and here we are.

/CAH guy doesn't give a shiat about dickwolves, he cares that he feels Mike's comments detracted from his publicity. Of his 3 year old Apples to Apples rip off. That would only have been visible to people at PAX anyway until he had a chance to talk about it in reference to the controversy, so it's actually a win for him.
 
2013-09-19 08:57:01 AM  
PA is associated with the Goons, so screw them to hell; They're dead to me.
 
2013-09-19 08:58:01 AM  
img.gawkerassets.comWhat I heard was "I spent $150,000 and then someone else still made bigger news than me, waaaaah."

Further supported by their apparent obsession with posting images of large checks they write.

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2013-09-19 08:58:22 AM  

entropic_existence: FuryOfFirestorm: YodaTuna: Don't tell anyone that one of the cards in his own game is "Date Rape".

Yeah, it seems a bit hypocritical to knock the PA guys on this when some of the stuff on his cards makes getting raped by wolves sound pleasant.

To be fair I think the creators of CAH realize that people playing it are going to be doing so among a group of people who are ok with being deliberately offensive for the purposes of the game. I don't think the two are really comparable.

As for Penny Arcade, on the one hand I think the comic itself was fine. The comic didn't belittle or glorify rape or rape victims. Some people were likely getting offended on other people's behalf, which happens a lot on the internet. That said they could have handled it better, and then they went full on asshole about it.


I think it's something like the asshole gateway quotient. At what point is it ok to be an asshole towards other assholes. Some would say never, stating "higher ground" as a reason. Presumably these people are playing king of the hill. I'm of a more moderate view, the inverse Golden Rule, treat others as they treat you.

I won't say either side is right, but when you're playing in the mud anyway, well....
 
2013-09-19 09:04:03 AM  
It kind of sounds like this guy is more upset that Mike took attention away from him than about dickwolves.  Also, Mike made a news post a few days ago that gives some good context.  He considers everything since, but not including, the original strip to have been a mistake, including making the shirts in the first place, as well as the idea of reintroducing them, on the grounds that every action did nothing but reopen wounds that would otherwise heal.  It just came out as "we miss our rape shirts".
 
2013-09-19 09:10:58 AM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Subby, you should've put a trigger warning in that headline for victims of Dickwolf rape.


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There are already people helping those victims of sexually-based offenses that are considered especially heinous.
 
2013-09-19 09:11:14 AM  

FuryOfFirestorm: YodaTuna: Don't tell anyone that one of the cards in his own game is "Date Rape".

Yeah, it seems a bit hypocritical to knock the PA guys on this when some of the stuff on his cards makes getting raped by wolves sound pleasant.


Yeah, I would have used the ironic tab on that. CAH has made a business and a culture around being as crude and offensive as possible. At GenCon, for example, when they sold out on Thursday, they just had a couple white placards on the the table saying "Sold out / Go to Amazon / Fark off") I understand their business aspect and feeling like they spent a lot of money only to be out-outraged by the show's creators, but I think they did a good job bringing a memorable exhibit to the show.

What it comes down to is that these shows are expensive. But they are advertising and exposure, and one of the biggest venues for their core audience. Seeing as the left GenCon two days early after paying for a booth, I'm not really thinking these guys were very worried about their expenses there when they could have been at least using their whole weekend to advertise.
 
2013-09-19 10:02:34 AM  

entropic_existence: As for Penny Arcade, on the one hand I think the comic itself was fine. The comic didn't belittle or glorify rape or rape victims. Some people were likely getting offended on other people's behalf, which happens a lot on the internet. That said they could have handled it better, and then they went full on asshole about it.


That's what I got out of this whole story. This stopped being about the comic a long time ago, and is now about the perils of reciprocal escalating butthurt:

"I'm butthurt about your comic."
"I'm butthurt about your butthurt, so here's a shirt to cause you more butthurt."
"I'm SUPER butthurt about your shirts."
"I'll stop selling the shirts, but I'm ULTRA butthurt about it."
"I'm MEGA butthurt about your ultra butthurt."

The world is full of people who absolutely thrive on escalation, and in this case, it seems that both sides fall into that category. In my experience, you don't engage people like that, because it's pointless and there's no end to it.
 
2013-09-19 10:17:35 AM  
am i the only person on the internet that doesn't understand the outrage over Dickwolf?
 
2013-09-19 10:21:35 AM  

Irving R. Pointystick: It kind of sounds like this guy is more upset that Mike took attention away from him than about dickwolves.  Also, Mike made a news post a few days ago that gives some good context.  He considers everything since, but not including, the original strip to have been a mistake, including making the shirts in the first place, as well as the idea of reintroducing them, on the grounds that every action did nothing but reopen wounds that would otherwise heal.  It just came out as "we miss our rape shirts".


The problem is that Mike is excellent at infuriating any "enemies" he thinks he has.  He instinctively knows how to offend or demean them, especially when he feels bullied.

The problem was that the first wave of criticism of the comic was from  rape victims so his instinct response drew backlash which caused all the 1st amendment reddit heros to backlash which just blew up because there's a lot of dicks on the internet interjecting their opinions that agreed with Mike while adding "those rape victims should be raped."

Its a farking omnishambles of a situation.  Mike feels unfairly attacked for "supporting rape" so he quietly makes fun of people, who happen to be rape victims who have a bunch of people get offended on their behalf who clash with people claiming to be Mike's followers who act like subhuman garbage...

The thing is, if you ever listen to any supplemental PA material, you get a much better sense of how emotionally and empathetically stunted Mike is because of his life and how he was bullied.  He built this "infuriate and offend armor" as a way to deal with it.

I don't mean this this as an insult, but Mike really isn't that smart or deeply thinks about things.  There is a podcast where him and Jerry discuss atheists "coming out" to their religious parents.  The conversation starts with Mike deriding people posting their stories on the internet as drama queens.  Jerry then slowly and expertly explains to him exactly what living in a religious household in a religious region is like and how it is different than their lives.  He explains how its not just a rejection of a religion, its a rejection of a culture and social group.  And incredibly slowly Mike starts having empathy with the atheists who are "coming out" to their parents.  His views on it flipped 180 because someone took him by the hand and showed why he should care how they feel.

That episode showed me just how empathetically dumb Mike is.  But it also showed me that this guy isn't evil or anything and he can be taught and informed and care about people like rape victims and actually care about a concept called rape culture, for good or for bad.

I can see a parallel universe where his first contact with rape culture wasn't antagonistic and he learns and empathizes with them.  He has that capacity, he just needs to be handheld.  Its sad that the situation is the way it is because the conflict only makes people antagonize each other.
 
2013-09-19 10:29:27 AM  

Esc7: I don't mean this this as an insult, but Mike really isn't that smart or deeply thinks about things. There is a podcast where him and Jerry discuss atheists "coming out" to their religious parents. The conversation starts with Mike deriding people posting their stories on the internet as drama queens. Jerry then slowly and expertly explains to him exactly what living in a religious household in a religious region is like and how it is different than their lives. He explains how its not just a rejection of a religion, its a rejection of a culture and social group. And incredibly slowly Mike starts having empathy with the atheists who are "coming out" to their parents. His views on it flipped 180 because someone took him by the hand and showed why he should care how they feel.


That's what I find infuriating about this. I'm familiar enough with PA via their podcasts and what not to know that most Jerry and Khoo are smart enough to know when they should tell Mike to be quiet, apologize, or say nothing at all. The PAX video just makes it clear that they do just kind of shake their heads and move on. Jerry's recent remarks does make it seem like he thinks he would be nothing without Mike, so he has this "yes man" attitude with Mike even though he is clearly the more intelligent and empathetic of the duo.
 
2013-09-19 10:31:50 AM  

evilmrsock: Lately, as I push into various creative endeavors that need to be marketed, I look at the rest of the geek community to see what they're doing, and how they're doing it. Board games, comics, apparel, I have a bunch of things that need pushing across an online community. What does this community do online? How do I reach them.

Apparently, they're giving a shiat about what other people, people they don't personally know, say or do, weeks and months and years after the fact. It's not this event, it's the regular theme of the community - using the internet primarily to biatch at each other, not just amongst fans, but with and amongst content creators.

It really leaves me with a sense of dread and futility, because if I don't understand these people, how do I take their money in exchange for goods? I understood the 80's geeks that came before me. Yeah dude, pop on some Slayer and let's play some Space Hulk. Carmack 4 Lyfe, bro! These were sentiments I could appreciate a decade later.

Now, now I'm just dazed and confused.


I feel the same way. I've been making games as a hobby, and while I used to fantasize about producing a commercially successful game, reading what people talk about on the internet makes me despise its potential audience.
 
2013-09-19 10:32:24 AM  

Esc7: I can see a parallel universe where his first contact with rape culture wasn't antagonistic and he learns and empathizes with them. He has that capacity, he just needs to be handheld. Its sad that the situation is the way it is because the conflict only makes people antagonize each other.


His first contact was with Shakesville, so that's where I kind of side with Mike on the issue. He didn't offend just any rape victims, he offended a cult of people who do nothing but be offended.
 
2013-09-19 10:37:50 AM  
This guy's upset because he spent way to much of his promotional budget on one single event, and now he thinks no one remembers his company event being there.

So now he's going for the Free Publicity Via The Internet angle. Yay.
 
2013-09-19 10:48:16 AM  

Shakin_Haitian: It's cool to hate PA right now.


When they spend 2 weeks advertising the Lookouts...
 
2013-09-19 10:50:26 AM  

Disposable Rob: Esc7: I don't mean this this as an insult, but Mike really isn't that smart or deeply thinks about things. There is a podcast where him and Jerry discuss atheists "coming out" to their religious parents. The conversation starts with Mike deriding people posting their stories on the internet as drama queens. Jerry then slowly and expertly explains to him exactly what living in a religious household in a religious region is like and how it is different than their lives. He explains how its not just a rejection of a religion, its a rejection of a culture and social group. And incredibly slowly Mike starts having empathy with the atheists who are "coming out" to their parents. His views on it flipped 180 because someone took him by the hand and showed why he should care how they feel.

That's what I find infuriating about this. I'm familiar enough with PA via their podcasts and what not to know that most Jerry and Khoo are smart enough to know when they should tell Mike to be quiet, apologize, or say nothing at all. The PAX video just makes it clear that they do just kind of shake their heads and move on. Jerry's recent remarks does make it seem like he thinks he would be nothing without Mike, so he has this "yes man" attitude with Mike even though he is clearly the more intelligent and empathetic of the duo.


Yeah Robert and Jerry could have nipped this in the bud and have been entirely better for it.  I get the feeling that Mike and Jerry's relationship is very complex where they have boundaries which they don't intercede.  For instance Mike is a Christian while Jerry is a staunch atheist.  I bet you they don't really bring that up, even though they've been friends for decades.  I think they both know that they have wildly diverging views on many things and if forced into conflict it could cause problems with their friendship and maybe business partnership (which they are ENTIRELY dependent on each other to make a comic strip.  You may laugh, but one of them solo would be helpless)

Unfortunately Jerry is getting tarnished by association with Mike.  He really should intercede on these issues and realize that in todays media its more important than allowing Mike to have free reign.  Some of it might just be stubborn adherence to the concept that they're just "regular guys" but they're not anymore with this giant media empire.  They need to be way more careful with what they say now that they have millions of eyeballs on them.
 
2013-09-19 10:52:46 AM  
I could never see what the big deal was about Penny Arcade in the first place but then again I don't use Steam or Facebook.
 
2013-09-19 10:55:57 AM  

Disposable Rob: Esc7: I can see a parallel universe where his first contact with rape culture wasn't antagonistic and he learns and empathizes with them. He has that capacity, he just needs to be handheld. Its sad that the situation is the way it is because the conflict only makes people antagonize each other.

His first contact was with Shakesville, so that's where I kind of side with Mike on the issue. He didn't offend just any rape victims, he offended a cult of people who do nothing but be offended.


I really can't stand them or reading their writings, but I am close personal friends with a rape victim.  I do know that sometimes it breaks you, like PTSD breaks you into a person who cannot get over it.  When you read Shakesville remember that a few of them don't seem normal because they really aren't, a piece of them is broken.

But yeah, its about the worst possible thing for a guy who superpower is to mock people to come in contact with.
 
2013-09-19 10:58:45 AM  

ranak: PA is associated with the Goons, so screw them to hell; They're dead to me.


Did we blow up your high sec miner?
 
2013-09-19 11:00:26 AM  

FuryOfFirestorm: Personally, I don't find the comic offensive at all. I can understand why some people do, but The PA guys have every right to post what they want on their site.

I think this wouldn't have been such a big deal if Mike hadn't gotten butthurt over the anti-comic butthurt or tried to troll the complainers with the Dickwolves shirts.

Flip-flopping on putting up and taking down the shirts only added fuel to fire, especially since his decision seemed to be based on the fact that it was bringing lots of negative publicity to PAX, not because he was actually remorseful.


They should have never pulled the shirts. Thin skinned attention whores who scream offense at stupid things deserve a brow beating. If the people who read the comic just said to themselves "Well that was stupid" and moved on, none of this bs would have happened. Instead you get a horde of quiver-lipped whiners who just want to be heard screaming, similar to the "for the children" people who complain to censor things through the FCC.
 
2013-09-19 11:24:27 AM  

quantum_csc: People are too thin skinned.  All of this happened because some people took offense at this comic and were vocal about it.  If you are so sensitive that you think this strip is "glorifying rape culture" then you need to take a few dozen chill pills.



This is the second article in as many weeks I've read on this topic and they each make my head hurt.  Whenever I hear the phrase "rape culture in gaming" a want to punch a kitten.  Some teenagers saying "LOL, you got raped boi!" while playing CoD isn't a rape culture, it's morons being morons.  You want to see a rape culture, take a sightseeing trip to Somalia along the Ethiopian border.  When PAX starts to look like that you'll have a point.
 
2013-09-19 11:27:08 AM  

Shakin_Haitian: It's cool to hate PA right now.


You seem simple.
 
2013-09-19 11:27:50 AM  

quantum_csc: People are too thin skinned.  All of this happened because some people took offense at this comic and were vocal about it.  If you are so sensitive that you think this strip is "glorifying rape culture" then you need to take a few dozen chill pills.

The title of the strip is "The Sixth Slave"

[art.penny-arcade.com image 800x401]


Nobody is upset about the comic itself. The entire controversy happened because of their response to the few people who actually were upset by it. They went full retard, full stop.
 
2013-09-19 11:29:45 AM  
I'm a Dickwolf, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2013-09-19 11:41:06 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Nobody is upset about the comic itself. The entire controversy happened because of their response to the few people who actually were upset by it. They went full retard, full stop.


If you're familiar with Mike Krahulik's history, a lot of his whole schtick has been as the outcast nerd who is now, with the success of Penny Arcade, able to have a platform to stand up against people.  I have a lot of respect for that.

And in Penny Arcade's history they've had to do this a number of times.

Looking at this case, it's really not all that different.  Some people took what was essentially not a rape joke and tried to make a big deal out of it by being extremely critical of a gaming comic that put together a strip on...gaming.  Mike came back in a characteristic way.  Sure it was over the top, and he could have been more sensitive with it but that's not his style and this isn't about the defense of rape culture, it's about the opposition of stupidity.  That's really what dickwolves was all about.

That should be even more clear when you look at all the bandwagon jumping from someone like Max at Card Against Humanity, who's game is obviously not rape word sensitive, but still feels like he should join in the "protest."
 
2013-09-19 11:45:44 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Nobody is upset about the comic itself. The entire controversy happened because of their response to the few people who actually were upset by it.


Well, since the first upset folks were nobodies, it seems like nobody should care about their response either.
 
2013-09-19 12:13:59 PM  

Intrepid00: ranak: PA is associated with the Goons, so screw them to hell; They're dead to me.

Did we blow up your high sec miner?


No. But actions such as that as well as the reaction of the PA guys to something like this are insights to their (the PA guys) personalities and the type of person they (Goons) attract.
 
2013-09-19 12:20:03 PM  
Who are the Goons?
 
2013-09-19 12:32:57 PM  

impaler: Who are the Goons?


There are no goons?
 
2013-09-19 12:35:48 PM  

Intrepid00: impaler: Who are the Goons?

There are no goons?


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Seen here in their natural habitat, the Goons are an isolated tribe, now thought to only be a myth. Prone to great violence, one should treat lightly through their domain.
 
2013-09-19 12:55:36 PM  
I personally found it somewhat insulting that CAH believes our memories are so short that this quote would overshadow the entire event, and ruin the marketing they'd created.   Did it create issues?  Sure.  Was it a dumb thing for Mike to say?  Yup.  But I have a very hard time believing that anyone who is interested in Cards Against Humanity would be offended by the Dickwolves thing.
 
2013-09-19 01:25:49 PM  

PhilGed: The My Little Pony Killer: Nobody is upset about the comic itself. The entire controversy happened because of their response to the few people who actually were upset by it. They went full retard, full stop.

If you're familiar with Mike Krahulik's history, a lot of his whole schtick has been as the outcast nerd who is now, with the success of Penny Arcade, able to have a platform to stand up against people.  I have a lot of respect for that.

And in Penny Arcade's history they've had to do this a number of times.

Looking at this case, it's really not all that different.  Some people took what was essentially not a rape joke and tried to make a big deal out of it by being extremely critical of a gaming comic that put together a strip on...gaming.  Mike came back in a characteristic way.  Sure it was over the top, and he could have been more sensitive with it but that's not his style and this isn't about the defense of rape culture, it's about the opposition of stupidity.  That's really what dickwolves was all about.

That should be even more clear when you look at all the bandwagon jumping from someone like Max at Card Against Humanity, who's game is obviously not rape word sensitive, but still feels like he should join in the "protest."


Poor bullied Mike Krahulik, having to defend himself against the victims of his own stupidity.
 
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