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(Daily Mail)   U.S. Air Force shows they can park a 2,000lb bomb in a pirate's pocket from altitude without killing a single fish. (w/ amazing pics)   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 110
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2013-09-19 07:24:44 AM

JayCab: mithras_angel: You know, they probably could have gotten away with a 500 lb bomb.

Or a Phalanx CIWS.


Or done another test fire of LAWS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_Weapon_System) - which is a really neat system.

Hell, a non-explosive kinetic device dropped from any height would just punch a hole in the bottom of the boat.


But what fun is THAT?  Overkill is underrated.
 
2013-09-19 07:28:35 AM

dittybopper: Floating silently in the Gulf of Mexico on September 4, the boat looked far from threatening.
But metres away, a B1 was creeping into the air, armed with a laser-guided GBU-10.

Big farkin' deal.  Even I could hit a boat like that from mere meters away.


I'm just wondering how they managed to not get the B-1 in the picture when it was only meters away.
 
2013-09-19 07:29:36 AM
That reporter looked like he was trying real hard not to laugh his arse off while typing that.
 
2013-09-19 07:36:20 AM
What good is having a massive arsenal of wonderweapons  if you don't periodically piss away the ordnance and order replacement inventory from defense contractors in key congressional districts?
 
2013-09-19 07:37:12 AM

Bendal: I would have expected a 2000# bomb to have a larger explosion; it looked to me like that was a dummy bomb and just the impact destroyed the boat.


 'Zackly. Notice the bomb was painted blue? No explosives.

Nevertheless, it was carrying a lot of kinetic energy. Figure it was moving roughly 1000'/sec (about Mach 1) and weighed 2,000 lbs. My bar napkin says that's equivalent to 42 sticks of dynamite.
 
2013-09-19 07:41:13 AM

vrax: Wake Up Sheeple: Reminded me of corporations dropping rocks from orbit.

They never progressed to CEOs.  Bummer!

mithras_angel: MaudlinMutantMollusk: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x341]
This looks 'shopped...

There are pictures, near my desk, of an missile zeroing in on an orange traffic cone in the middle of the desert.

They're three consecutive shots from an extremely high speed camera.

Shot 1 - Missile just above the cone.
Shot 2 - Missile hitting the cone.
Shot 3 - Explosion.

A quick GIS doesn't show it, so it was probably a promotional photo from Raytheon, but it's very possible to get that kind of imagery.

We've been able to get amazing high speed shots for a long time now:  http://www.damninteresting.com/rapatronic-nuclear-photographs/


Cool, but I'll see your single shot camera, and raise you:  (scroll about 1/2 way down for the camera description)

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2012/08/chasing-lightning/johnson- te xt
 
2013-09-19 07:46:24 AM

Dahnkster: I'm all about the pirate exercises...
[gymheroes.com image 768x576]


In my head I pronounced "Pirates" like "pilates" (pa-ROT-ees)...and it made it funnier...in my head...arrrrr.
 
2013-09-19 07:48:54 AM

Life_is_a_carnivore: Try to say 'toy boat' 5 times quickly.


Toy boat toy boat toy boy tow boat

Damn you!
 
2013-09-19 07:49:03 AM

AtlanticCoast63: Some things to keep in mind:

*If that's a Mk84 2000 pound bomb (I think it is based on the size of the bomb versus the boat) When it goes off, the LETHAL radius of that beast is about 300 meters.  So you drop one on an incoming swarm of, oh, let's make up a name and call them "Iranian" speedboats, you're going to whack a couple at a time.

*The SNIPER targeting pod on a B-1 can target and launch multiple weapons at a time.   Assuming we have properly armed and equipped birds on station, it's possible to smother a swarm attack.  That's a big assumption, but it gives those imaginary "Iranians" something to think about.

And BTW the pic is very, very possible.  There's one out there from the tests of the old Pershing II years ago showing the warhead about to strike an outhouse-sized shack built on the target bullseye.

/The More You Know


Exactly this. That test had an audience, and it ain't the savages sailing open runabouts around the Horn of Afrika.
 
2013-09-19 07:51:41 AM

JayCab: Hell, a non-explosive kinetic device dropped from any height would just punch a hole in the bottom of the boat.


That WAS a non-explosive kinetic device. Blue paint == training round; full of sand or concrete.
 
2013-09-19 08:00:47 AM

This About That: fusillade762: Floating silently in the Gulf of Mexico on September 4, the boat looked far from threatening. But metres away, a B1 was creeping into the air, armed with a laser-guided GBU-10.

I know they said it was a toy boat, but what kind of scale are we talking about here?

B1s do not creep.


And I hope it was a few kilometers away when it took off.
 
2013-09-19 08:02:51 AM

vrax: We've been able to get amazing high speed shots for a long time now: http://www.damninteresting.com/rapatronic-nuclear-photographs/


Not to be confused with the rapetronic camera, which i have in the back of my van.
 
2013-09-19 08:02:57 AM
mithras_angel:  it was probably a promotional photo from Raytheon, but it's very possible to get that kind of imagery.

Yep.

They must do hundreds of training exercises like this every week. How come we only got to see this one?

Makes me wonder if hitting the target is the exception rather then the rule.
 
2013-09-19 08:12:15 AM

LoneVVolf: vrax: We've been able to get amazing high speed shots for a long time now: http://www.damninteresting.com/rapatronic-nuclear-photographs/

Not to be confused with the rapetronic camera, which i have in the back of my van.


Dr. Krieger?
 
2013-09-19 08:13:25 AM
Ouch... that'all leave a mark.
 
2013-09-19 08:18:37 AM

This About That: fusillade762: Floating silently in the Gulf of Mexico on September 4, the boat looked far from threatening. But metres away, a B1 was creeping into the air, armed with a laser-guided GBU-10.

I know they said it was a toy boat, but what kind of scale are we talking about here?

B1s do not creep.



Pictured: B1Bs trying to creep.
stranglecorp.com
 
2013-09-19 08:18:48 AM

Bendal: I would have expected a 2000# bomb to have a larger explosion; it looked to me like that was a dummy bomb and just the impact destroyed the boat.


Exactly.
 
2013-09-19 08:19:49 AM

LoneVVolf: JayCab: Hell, a non-explosive kinetic device dropped from any height would just punch a hole in the bottom of the boat.

That WAS a non-explosive kinetic device. Blue paint == training round; full of sand or concrete.


Yep.

*BUT*, there are times when non-explosive precision guided "munitions" have a place.   That would be one of them, when you don't need explosives to do the mission, and a training bomb is cheaper than a real one.
 
2013-09-19 08:33:03 AM
This About That:
B1s do not creep.

and 2000lb bombs are not precision munitions no matter how accurately you target them
 
2013-09-19 08:36:49 AM
With today's modern supersharks, we need MORE exercises like this.
 
2013-09-19 08:47:29 AM

gibbon1: Aquapope: Hell, the boat's pretty little. Prolly get taken by some of them pirate types, y'know?

F-35:   $150,000,000


B-1: $283,100,000 (in 1998 dollars)
Smart Bomb: $25,000
Target: $2500

From the Fail: And one man joked: 'Yay! Good guys win!'

Dubious, good guys are doing stuff like working as doctors, teachers, or keeping the shi'it flowing down the sewers.



FTFY
 
2013-09-19 08:51:08 AM
img.fark.net

Prop wash in front of the boat?

Nice of those pirates to make a U-turn to get under the bomb.
 
2013-09-19 08:57:03 AM
farm1.staticflickr.com
 
2013-09-19 09:13:03 AM
The comments on that article make me want to laugh and cry at the same time, and they're exactly as I expected them to be. There's a very good reason for the American stereotype.
 
2013-09-19 09:14:40 AM
 
2013-09-19 09:18:36 AM

Bendal: I would have expected a 2000# bomb to have a larger explosion; it looked to me like that was a dummy bomb and just the impact destroyed the boat.


Yeah, it looks like a kinetic kill.
 
2013-09-19 09:23:06 AM
supayoda
The comments on that article make me want to laugh and cry at the same time, and they're exactly as I expected them to be. There's a very good reason for the American stereotype.


I got a chuckle out of the last reply in that exchange:

{¨I guess you only find this useless because the UK has no actual military to speak of anymore.¨ - Insomniac, Buffalo}
===============
This is really unfair to our friends in the UK. Any time the US starts a war, the UK sends 5 or 6 trucks and a tugboat.- Captain America, Mississippi USA
>>>>>>>>>>>
The UK did send more but with all the US friendly fire there isn't much left to send. - Bobo the clown , N.Ireland-London,
 
2013-09-19 09:30:25 AM
Nice Photoshop.  Did they do that themselves, or contract it out to Iran?
 
2013-09-19 09:42:24 AM
America is the world's strongest military super power.

I didn't read past the first sentence.  It gave me a huge freedom boner.
 
2013-09-19 09:50:15 AM
I better farking hope they can hit an 18 foot long, 8 foot wide target with a GBU-10... The farker is actively laser guided. As long as you drop it close enough to the target that it can actually reach the target, it WILL hit whatever the laser pointer designator is on.
 
2013-09-19 10:01:26 AM

Vlad_the_Inaner: [img.fark.net image 634x341]

Prop wash in front of the boat?

Nice of those pirates to make a U-turn to get under the bomb.


Dollars to donuts it is being towed by another boat
 
2013-09-19 10:02:13 AM

Vlad_the_Inaner: [img.fark.net image 634x341]

Prop wash in front of the boat?

Nice of those pirates to make a U-turn to get under the bomb.


it's a towed target so they could demonstrate the weapon's capability. Which is how they got such a good photo: it was a test so they were documenting the whole thing and knew when the weapon was going to hit.
 
2013-09-19 10:02:41 AM

Vlad_the_Inaner: [img.fark.net image 634x341]

Prop wash in front of the boat?

Nice of those pirates to make a U-turn to get under the bomb.


I noticed that too. Was the target being towed? I'm clueless about these things obviously but the prop wash in front of the boat seemed odd. Also to my very inexperienced eye the photo does look shopped. Meh, maybe I'm just dumb.
 
2013-09-19 10:04:41 AM

Voiceofreason01: Vlad_the_Inaner: [img.fark.net image 634x341]

Prop wash in front of the boat?

Nice of those pirates to make a U-turn to get under the bomb.

it's a towed target so they could demonstrate the weapon's capability. Which is how they got such a good photo: it was a test so they were documenting the whole thing and knew when the weapon was going to hit.


OK then, that cinches it, I am dumb.
 
2013-09-19 10:12:08 AM
The B1 comes
on little cat feet.

It flies looking
over gulf and ocean
dropping large munitions
and then moves on.
 
2013-09-19 10:12:34 AM

Monkey2: Voiceofreason01: Vlad_the_Inaner: [img.fark.net image 634x341]

Prop wash in front of the boat?

Nice of those pirates to make a U-turn to get under the bomb.

it's a towed target so they could demonstrate the weapon's capability. Which is how they got such a good photo: it was a test so they were documenting the whole thing and knew when the weapon was going to hit.

OK then, that cinches it, I am dumb.


In your defense it's a REALLY bad article.
 
2013-09-19 10:17:40 AM
$24,000 missile and what does the jet that delivered it cost per hour?

To destroy a 2k rowboat. Money well spent

// this is what 50cals are for.
 
2013-09-19 10:17:53 AM
Personally, I think using a Warthog would be far more entertaining for the spectators. And a lot less expensive for the military.
 
2013-09-19 10:22:23 AM

Voiceofreason01: Monkey2: Voiceofreason01: Vlad_the_Inaner: [img.fark.net image 634x341]

Prop wash in front of the boat?

Nice of those pirates to make a U-turn to get under the bomb.

it's a towed target so they could demonstrate the weapon's capability. Which is how they got such a good photo: it was a test so they were documenting the whole thing and knew when the weapon was going to hit.

OK then, that cinches it, I am dumb.

In your defense it's a REALLY bad article.


OK, you have a point there. I keep telling myself I'm not gonna click on anymore Daily Mail articles but I do it anyway. Guess I'm just a glutton for punishment.

/back to lurking
//thanks for having my back
///third slashie just told me I'm in a hole and should stop digging
 
2013-09-19 10:25:15 AM
first thing I thought of... guy fishing in the boat... sees the missile heading his way...

stream1.gifsoup.com
 
2013-09-19 10:26:36 AM

Sofa King Smart: first thing I thought of... guy fishing in the boat... sees the missile heading his way...

[stream1.gifsoup.com image 320x240]


Hey! You scratched my anchor!
 
2013-09-19 11:15:56 AM

OnlyM3: $24,000 missile and what does the jet that delivered it cost per hour?

To destroy a 2k rowboat. Money well spent

// this is what 50cals are for.


Yeah, but you have to get them there in a timely fashion, and the last time I checked, warships were more expensive to man, maintain, and operate than aircraft.
 
2013-09-19 11:28:27 AM

escherblacksmith: The B1 comes
on little cat feet.

It flies looking
over gulf and ocean
dropping large munitions
and then moves on.


Carl Sandburg does not approve. But I do. +1.
 
2013-09-19 11:30:33 AM
Gotta somehow justify that expensive ordnance in a world weary of war.

/shores of Tripoli
 
2013-09-19 11:34:58 AM

SevenT: Personally, I think using a Warthog would be far more entertaining for the spectators. And a lot less expensive for the military.


Freedom farts!
www.air-and-space.com
/It can drop GBU-10's too
//Same pinpoint accuracy because the GBU-10 is a LASER GUIDED BOMB.
 
2013-09-19 12:18:05 PM

hinten: You try to throw 2000 pounds of junk in the Gulf and see what happens.


Zipper goes down, and we're anchored.
 
2013-09-19 01:26:44 PM

Voiceofreason01: This About That:
B1s do not creep.

and 2000lb bombs are not precision munitions no matter how accurately you target them


I'm not sure you understand how this works.  See, they have all these 2000lbs bombs.  They are dumb glide bombs.  So they suck.

But then, they attach a nose cone and tail fins and PRESTO it's a smart bomb.

/actually how they do it
//pretty farking accurate
///pick a 3 foot circle, point laser, bomb hits that 3 foot circle.
 
2013-09-19 01:55:09 PM

SevenT: Personally, I think using a Warthog would be far more entertaining for the spectators. And a lot less expensive for the military.


You forgot the very important fact that the Air Force higher ups hate the A-10 due to it's slow speed, ugliness and incredible effectiveness at a reasonable price.
 
2013-09-19 02:18:59 PM
Shades of Billy Mitchell.  Bomb a defenseless boat on a clear
day under controlled conditions and proclaim to the whole
world your invincibility.  Business as usual for the Air Corps.

If it were raining they wouldn't fly.  If it were cloudy/hazy/overcast
they'd have to wait for it to clear.  If their box lunch didn't
include an oatmeal cookie they'd call for an investigation.

Whoever was towing the target was in serious danger.
USAF -- maintaining a long tradition of friendly fire.
 
2013-09-19 02:29:46 PM

JayCab: mithras_angel:

Hell, a non-explosive kinetic device dropped from any height would just punch a hole in the bottom of the boat.


It was; it did.  See that blue paint?  That indicates that
the weapon is inert... non-explosive... a hunk of iron.

Ammunition Color Codes:
Black: armor piercing
Blue: inert
Yellow: high explosive
etc.
 
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