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(Daily Mail)   U.S. Air Force shows they can park a 2,000lb bomb in a pirate's pocket from altitude without killing a single fish. (w/ amazing pics)   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 110
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2013-09-19 12:03:01 AM  
Floating silently in the Gulf of Mexico on September 4, the boat looked far from threatening. But metres away, a B1 was creeping into the air, armed with a laser-guided GBU-10.

I know they said it was a toy boat, but what kind of scale are we talking about here?
 
2013-09-19 12:16:29 AM  

fusillade762: Floating silently in the Gulf of Mexico on September 4, the boat looked far from threatening. But metres away, a B1 was creeping into the air, armed with a laser-guided GBU-10.

I know they said it was a toy boat, but what kind of scale are we talking about here?


It's the Daily Fail, so take anything with a grain of salt.  By "toy boat", they meant "remote controlled boat"... the GBU-10 Paveway is 14' 4" long, according to Wikipedia, so that's a good-sized boat, somewhere around 25' I'd guess.
 
2013-09-19 12:34:46 AM  

fusillade762: Floating silently in the Gulf of Mexico on September 4, the boat looked far from threatening. But metres away, a B1 was creeping into the air, armed with a laser-guided GBU-10.

I know they said it was a toy boat, but what kind of scale are we talking about here?


B1s do not creep.
 
2013-09-19 12:51:56 AM  
i.dailymail.co.uk
This looks 'shopped...
 
2013-09-19 01:20:55 AM  
The stunt sparked a torrent of jokes on Twitter.

I know it's the daily fail, but for fark sakes....now one cares about twitter other than the media. aiat doesn't need to be mentioned in ever farking story you publish.
 
2013-09-19 02:24:36 AM  

log_jammin: The stunt sparked a torrent of jokes on Twitter.

I know it's the daily fail, but for fark sakes....now one cares about twitter other than the media. aiat doesn't need to be mentioned in ever farking story you publish.


What do you mean now?
 
2013-09-19 03:42:50 AM  
Yarr the daily fail continues to be scarce on the details. <b>Subby</b> should walk the plank.
 
2013-09-19 03:43:28 AM  
Yarr I need to be rememberin' not to be drinking this early on Talk like a Pirate Day. Back to Davy Jones Locker with me.
 
2013-09-19 03:45:01 AM  
America is the world's strongest military super power.

And don't you forget it.
 
2013-09-19 03:45:56 AM  
It's a boat. To use a Larry Niven prhase, it could be a flying crowbar.  Just about 1 pound of mass with directing fins and gizmos to find the target from GPS or lazer targeting..  Punch through the hull, or better, the engine, and it's gone.

Hell, the boat's pretty little.  Prolly get taken by some of them pirate types, y'know?
 
2013-09-19 03:47:43 AM  

Weatherkiss: Yarr the daily fail continues to be scarce on the details. <b>Subby</b> should walk the plank.


ak.imgfarm.com
 
2013-09-19 03:49:06 AM  
i44.tinypic.com

// habituary
 
2013-09-19 03:49:34 AM  
Yar, Thar be free donuts at Krispy Kreme today for 'Talk Like A Pirate Day'! One free donut if ye talk like a pirate and a box of a dozen glazed donuts.... Arrr, if ye dress like a pirate!
 
2013-09-19 03:52:55 AM  

Aquapope: Hell, the boat's pretty little. Prolly get taken by some of them pirate types, y'know?


F-35:   $150,000,000
Smart Bomb: $25,000
Target: $2500

From the Fail: And one man joked: 'Yay! Good guys win!'

Dubious, good guys are doing stuff like working as doctors, teachers, or keeping the shi'it flowing down the sewers.
 
2013-09-19 03:54:23 AM  
AAAARRRRR Ya sure?
 
2013-09-19 03:56:11 AM  
I'm all about the pirate exercises...
gymheroes.com
 
2013-09-19 04:02:17 AM  
You know, they probably could have gotten away with a 500 lb bomb.

Or a Phalanx CIWS.


Or done another test fire of LAWS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_Weapon_System) - which is a really neat system.
 
2013-09-19 04:07:08 AM  

fusillade762: Floating silently in the Gulf of Mexico on September 4, the boat looked far from threatening. But metres away, a B1 was creeping into the air, armed with a laser-guided GBU-10.

I know they said it was a toy boat, but what kind of scale are we talking about here?


fusillade762: Floating silently in the Gulf of Mexico on September 4, the boat looked far from threatening. But metres away, a B1 was creeping into the air, armed with a laser-guided GBU-10.

I know they said it was a toy boat, but what kind of scale are we talking about here?


www.bath-toys.org.uk
 
2013-09-19 04:12:54 AM  

mithras_angel: You know, they probably could have gotten away with a 500 lb bomb.

Or a Phalanx CIWS.


Or done another test fire of LAWS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_Weapon_System) - which is a really neat system.


Hell, a non-explosive kinetic device dropped from any height would just punch a hole in the bottom of the boat.
 
2013-09-19 04:12:58 AM  
Reminded me of corporations dropping rocks from orbit.
 
2013-09-19 04:15:12 AM  

mithras_angel: You know, they probably could have gotten away with a 500 lb bomb.

Or a Phalanx CIWS.


Or done another test fire of LAWS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_Weapon_System) - which is a really neat system.


Or they could give them a hostage, but have their guts surgically packed with C4.  They'd think everything was cool, then surprise!  Blammo!  Surgical strike!

/Yeah, whatever!  I also liked the idea of cats flying bombs, so sue me!
 
2013-09-19 04:15:13 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x341]
This looks 'shopped...


There are pictures, near my desk, of an missile zeroing in on an orange traffic cone in the middle of the desert.

They're three consecutive shots from an extremely high speed camera.

Shot 1 - Missile just above the cone.
Shot 2 - Missile hitting the cone.
Shot 3 - Explosion.

A quick GIS doesn't show it, so it was probably a promotional photo from Raytheon, but it's very possible to get that kind of imagery.
 
2013-09-19 04:18:07 AM  
You try to throw 2000 pounds of junk in the Gulf and see what happens.
 
2013-09-19 04:18:09 AM  

mithras_angel: MaudlinMutantMollusk: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x341]
This looks 'shopped...

There are pictures, near my desk, of an missile zeroing in on an orange traffic cone in the middle of the desert.

They're three consecutive shots from an extremely high speed camera.

Shot 1 - Missile just above the cone.
Shot 2 - Missile hitting the cone.
Shot 3 - Explosion.

A quick GIS doesn't show it, so it was probably a promotional photo from Raytheon, but it's very possible to get that kind of imagery.

~
~
.... or it was possibly 'shopped.
 
2013-09-19 04:20:10 AM  

vrax: mithras_angel: You know, they probably could have gotten away with a 500 lb bomb.

Or a Phalanx CIWS.


Or done another test fire of LAWS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_Weapon_System) - which is a really neat system.

Or they could give them a hostage, but have their guts surgically packed with C4.  They'd think everything was cool, then surprise!  Blammo!  Surgical strike!

/Yeah, whatever!  I also liked the idea of cats flying bombs, so sue me!


i.qkme.me
 
2013-09-19 04:28:33 AM  

Wake Up Sheeple: Reminded me of corporations dropping rocks from orbit.


They never progressed to CEOs.  Bummer!

mithras_angel: MaudlinMutantMollusk: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x341]
This looks 'shopped...

There are pictures, near my desk, of an missile zeroing in on an orange traffic cone in the middle of the desert.

They're three consecutive shots from an extremely high speed camera.

Shot 1 - Missile just above the cone.
Shot 2 - Missile hitting the cone.
Shot 3 - Explosion.

A quick GIS doesn't show it, so it was probably a promotional photo from Raytheon, but it's very possible to get that kind of imagery.


We've been able to get amazing high speed shots for a long time now:  http://www.damninteresting.com/rapatronic-nuclear-photographs/
 
2013-09-19 05:25:33 AM  
i915.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-19 05:31:05 AM  

vrax: Wake Up Sheeple: Reminded me of corporations dropping rocks from orbit.

They never progressed to CEOs.  Bummer!

mithras_angel: MaudlinMutantMollusk: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x341]
This looks 'shopped...

There are pictures, near my desk, of an missile zeroing in on an orange traffic cone in the middle of the desert.

They're three consecutive shots from an extremely high speed camera.

Shot 1 - Missile just above the cone.
Shot 2 - Missile hitting the cone.
Shot 3 - Explosion.

A quick GIS doesn't show it, so it was probably a promotional photo from Raytheon, but it's very possible to get that kind of imagery.

We've been able to get amazing high speed shots for a long time now:  http://www.damninteresting.com/rapatronic-nuclear-photographs/


Cool link, cheers
 
2013-09-19 05:42:43 AM  
At least the fish were ok.
 
2013-09-19 06:04:49 AM  
so they could get it into, say, Justin Bieber's pocket?
 
2013-09-19 06:09:44 AM  
"Journalists" of the world: Some day you're going to look back at putting Twitter comments in the body of your article and cringe. Just stop. Stop, like - now.
 
2013-09-19 06:12:11 AM  
Question: It's an expensive piece of equipment, would the Air-Force then go on to try and retrieve it from the ocean floor?
 
2013-09-19 06:18:40 AM  
$24,000 a pop? Enjoy being rescued, rich people.
 
2013-09-19 06:18:41 AM  

dai the flu: Question: It's an expensive piece of equipment, would the Air-Force then go on to try and retrieve it from the ocean floor?


Uh, no. Salvage operations are quite expensive, even if the water were shallow enough to make them feasible, and that laser guidance unit (which is the bulk of the cost) isn't worth much as scrap once it's been used.
 
2013-09-19 06:23:15 AM  

mbillips: dai the flu: Question: It's an expensive piece of equipment, would the Air-Force then go on to try and retrieve it from the ocean floor?

Uh, no. Salvage operations are quite expensive, even if the water were shallow enough to make them feasible, and that laser guidance unit (which is the bulk of the cost) isn't worth much as scrap once it's been used.


Thanks for answering. Makes perfect sense, but I had to ask since there was no "ka-boom."
 
2013-09-19 06:26:51 AM  
Try to say 'toy boat' 5 times quickly.
 
2013-09-19 06:30:39 AM  
congrats on doing it once

$24000/shot?  i'm sure lockhead/raytheon/whoever welcomes this article with a warm wallet.
 
2013-09-19 06:30:54 AM  
Dyess Air Base

Hometown team! Good work guys!
 
2013-09-19 06:31:47 AM  
Why? Because fark you, that's why.
 
2013-09-19 06:40:59 AM  
I know this was a demonstration or whatever, but isn't using a farking B1 and smart bomb to swat pirate boats a serious case of using a sledgehammer on ants?  Is that seriously being proposed as a solution against modern piracy?
 
2013-09-19 06:44:13 AM  

Whole Wheat: Why? Because fark you, that's why.


The whole operation is PR to try to keep the Air Force relevant without an occupation to support (with any luck, we're out of the occupation business after 2014). Since the only expected operations for the foreseeable future are sea-based, involving the Navy and Marine Corps (either quick strikes or supporting counter insurgency ops from the sea), the Air Force wants to play, too. There's been a B-1 loitering around the sky over Afghanistan 24/7, pooping out precision-guided bombs wherever ground commanders requested, but after we leave Afghanistan, it's just going back to garrison and training duty, unless the Navy will play along.
 
2013-09-19 06:46:27 AM  

Wodan11: I know this was a demonstration or whatever, but isn't using a farking B1 and smart bomb to swat pirate boats a serious case of using a sledgehammer on ants?  Is that seriously being proposed as a solution against modern piracy?


No. The Daily Fail inserted the pirate stuff. The Air Force release doesn't mention it.
 
2013-09-19 06:50:22 AM  

dai the flu: mbillips: dai the flu: Question: It's an expensive piece of equipment, would the Air-Force then go on to try and retrieve it from the ocean floor?

Uh, no. Salvage operations are quite expensive, even if the water were shallow enough to make them feasible, and that laser guidance unit (which is the bulk of the cost) isn't worth much as scrap once it's been used.

Thanks for answering. Makes perfect sense, but I had to ask since there was no "ka-boom."


Even with no kaboom, it's still scrap.  That's a lot of high-end optics and electronics, things that don't take a terminal velocity fall very well at all.

As this was meant to note, we can put a bomb some place with pinpoint accuracy.  I know the JDAM guidance package using GPS is in style now in the military, but laser guided munitions still have their place when you need accuracy to less than a meter (as was during the Gulf War, when we sent laser guided bombs down chimneys and such, GPS guided bombs are super accurate, but down to that pinpoint is a little much even for them.)

Of course, while expensive, it's actually cheaper than the old way.  In World War II we needed something like 500 bomber sorties to destroy a target, because we were just carpet bombing the place.  The Norden Bombsight was good, but it wasn't THAT good.  By Vietnam that number had dropped to around 20.  By the Gulf War and later, when these weapons were available, we could do it in 1 or 2 flights.

So, that one $27,000 bomb did the work that several hundred bomber flights would have been required to accomplish back in WWII, or around two dozen would have been required to do in Vietnam.  The per-unit cost is higher, but the total cost in munitions, manpower and time to achieve the objective is lower.
 
2013-09-19 06:52:05 AM  
USAF. Bringing the country closer to bankruptcy, one bomb at a time.
 
2013-09-19 07:02:59 AM  
Some things to keep in mind:

*If that's a Mk84 2000 pound bomb (I think it is based on the size of the bomb versus the boat) When it goes off, the LETHAL radius of that beast is about 300 meters.  So you drop one on an incoming swarm of, oh, let's make up a name and call them "Iranian" speedboats, you're going to whack a couple at a time.

*The SNIPER targeting pod on a B-1 can target and launch multiple weapons at a time.   Assuming we have properly armed and equipped birds on station, it's possible to smother a swarm attack.  That's a big assumption, but it gives those imaginary "Iranians" something to think about.

And BTW the pic is very, very possible.  There's one out there from the tests of the old Pershing II years ago showing the warhead about to strike an outhouse-sized shack built on the target bullseye.

/The More You Know
 
2013-09-19 07:09:10 AM  

Dahnkster: I'm all about the pirate exercises...
[gymheroes.com image 768x576]


12oz curls?

Thats a wee tankard ya be havin there boyo.
 
2013-09-19 07:12:16 AM  
That's a bomb in a hull.
 
2013-09-19 07:18:16 AM  
Floating silently in the Gulf of Mexico on September 4, the boat looked far from threatening.
But metres away, a B1 was creeping into the air, armed with a laser-guided GBU-10.


Big farkin' deal.  Even I could hit a boat like that from mere meters away.
 
2013-09-19 07:22:47 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x341]
This looks 'shopped...


SOmeone replace the bomb with a shark or that cat leaping into the air instead...
 
2013-09-19 07:23:10 AM  
I would have expected a 2000# bomb to have a larger explosion; it looked to me like that was a dummy bomb and just the impact destroyed the boat.
 
2013-09-19 07:24:44 AM  

JayCab: mithras_angel: You know, they probably could have gotten away with a 500 lb bomb.

Or a Phalanx CIWS.


Or done another test fire of LAWS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_Weapon_System) - which is a really neat system.

Hell, a non-explosive kinetic device dropped from any height would just punch a hole in the bottom of the boat.


But what fun is THAT?  Overkill is underrated.
 
2013-09-19 07:28:35 AM  

dittybopper: Floating silently in the Gulf of Mexico on September 4, the boat looked far from threatening.
But metres away, a B1 was creeping into the air, armed with a laser-guided GBU-10.

Big farkin' deal.  Even I could hit a boat like that from mere meters away.


I'm just wondering how they managed to not get the B-1 in the picture when it was only meters away.
 
2013-09-19 07:29:36 AM  
That reporter looked like he was trying real hard not to laugh his arse off while typing that.
 
2013-09-19 07:36:20 AM  
What good is having a massive arsenal of wonderweapons  if you don't periodically piss away the ordnance and order replacement inventory from defense contractors in key congressional districts?
 
2013-09-19 07:37:12 AM  

Bendal: I would have expected a 2000# bomb to have a larger explosion; it looked to me like that was a dummy bomb and just the impact destroyed the boat.


 'Zackly. Notice the bomb was painted blue? No explosives.

Nevertheless, it was carrying a lot of kinetic energy. Figure it was moving roughly 1000'/sec (about Mach 1) and weighed 2,000 lbs. My bar napkin says that's equivalent to 42 sticks of dynamite.
 
2013-09-19 07:41:13 AM  

vrax: Wake Up Sheeple: Reminded me of corporations dropping rocks from orbit.

They never progressed to CEOs.  Bummer!

mithras_angel: MaudlinMutantMollusk: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x341]
This looks 'shopped...

There are pictures, near my desk, of an missile zeroing in on an orange traffic cone in the middle of the desert.

They're three consecutive shots from an extremely high speed camera.

Shot 1 - Missile just above the cone.
Shot 2 - Missile hitting the cone.
Shot 3 - Explosion.

A quick GIS doesn't show it, so it was probably a promotional photo from Raytheon, but it's very possible to get that kind of imagery.

We've been able to get amazing high speed shots for a long time now:  http://www.damninteresting.com/rapatronic-nuclear-photographs/


Cool, but I'll see your single shot camera, and raise you:  (scroll about 1/2 way down for the camera description)

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2012/08/chasing-lightning/johnson- te xt
 
2013-09-19 07:46:24 AM  

Dahnkster: I'm all about the pirate exercises...
[gymheroes.com image 768x576]


In my head I pronounced "Pirates" like "pilates" (pa-ROT-ees)...and it made it funnier...in my head...arrrrr.
 
2013-09-19 07:48:54 AM  

Life_is_a_carnivore: Try to say 'toy boat' 5 times quickly.


Toy boat toy boat toy boy tow boat

Damn you!
 
2013-09-19 07:49:03 AM  

AtlanticCoast63: Some things to keep in mind:

*If that's a Mk84 2000 pound bomb (I think it is based on the size of the bomb versus the boat) When it goes off, the LETHAL radius of that beast is about 300 meters.  So you drop one on an incoming swarm of, oh, let's make up a name and call them "Iranian" speedboats, you're going to whack a couple at a time.

*The SNIPER targeting pod on a B-1 can target and launch multiple weapons at a time.   Assuming we have properly armed and equipped birds on station, it's possible to smother a swarm attack.  That's a big assumption, but it gives those imaginary "Iranians" something to think about.

And BTW the pic is very, very possible.  There's one out there from the tests of the old Pershing II years ago showing the warhead about to strike an outhouse-sized shack built on the target bullseye.

/The More You Know


Exactly this. That test had an audience, and it ain't the savages sailing open runabouts around the Horn of Afrika.
 
2013-09-19 07:51:41 AM  

JayCab: Hell, a non-explosive kinetic device dropped from any height would just punch a hole in the bottom of the boat.


That WAS a non-explosive kinetic device. Blue paint == training round; full of sand or concrete.
 
2013-09-19 08:00:47 AM  

This About That: fusillade762: Floating silently in the Gulf of Mexico on September 4, the boat looked far from threatening. But metres away, a B1 was creeping into the air, armed with a laser-guided GBU-10.

I know they said it was a toy boat, but what kind of scale are we talking about here?

B1s do not creep.


And I hope it was a few kilometers away when it took off.
 
2013-09-19 08:02:51 AM  

vrax: We've been able to get amazing high speed shots for a long time now: http://www.damninteresting.com/rapatronic-nuclear-photographs/


Not to be confused with the rapetronic camera, which i have in the back of my van.
 
2013-09-19 08:02:57 AM  
mithras_angel:  it was probably a promotional photo from Raytheon, but it's very possible to get that kind of imagery.

Yep.

They must do hundreds of training exercises like this every week. How come we only got to see this one?

Makes me wonder if hitting the target is the exception rather then the rule.
 
2013-09-19 08:12:15 AM  

LoneVVolf: vrax: We've been able to get amazing high speed shots for a long time now: http://www.damninteresting.com/rapatronic-nuclear-photographs/

Not to be confused with the rapetronic camera, which i have in the back of my van.


Dr. Krieger?
 
2013-09-19 08:13:25 AM  
Ouch... that'all leave a mark.
 
2013-09-19 08:18:37 AM  

This About That: fusillade762: Floating silently in the Gulf of Mexico on September 4, the boat looked far from threatening. But metres away, a B1 was creeping into the air, armed with a laser-guided GBU-10.

I know they said it was a toy boat, but what kind of scale are we talking about here?

B1s do not creep.



Pictured: B1Bs trying to creep.
stranglecorp.com
 
2013-09-19 08:18:48 AM  

Bendal: I would have expected a 2000# bomb to have a larger explosion; it looked to me like that was a dummy bomb and just the impact destroyed the boat.


Exactly.
 
2013-09-19 08:19:49 AM  

LoneVVolf: JayCab: Hell, a non-explosive kinetic device dropped from any height would just punch a hole in the bottom of the boat.

That WAS a non-explosive kinetic device. Blue paint == training round; full of sand or concrete.


Yep.

*BUT*, there are times when non-explosive precision guided "munitions" have a place.   That would be one of them, when you don't need explosives to do the mission, and a training bomb is cheaper than a real one.
 
2013-09-19 08:33:03 AM  
This About That:
B1s do not creep.

and 2000lb bombs are not precision munitions no matter how accurately you target them
 
2013-09-19 08:36:49 AM  
With today's modern supersharks, we need MORE exercises like this.
 
2013-09-19 08:47:29 AM  

gibbon1: Aquapope: Hell, the boat's pretty little. Prolly get taken by some of them pirate types, y'know?

F-35:   $150,000,000


B-1: $283,100,000 (in 1998 dollars)
Smart Bomb: $25,000
Target: $2500

From the Fail: And one man joked: 'Yay! Good guys win!'

Dubious, good guys are doing stuff like working as doctors, teachers, or keeping the shi'it flowing down the sewers.



FTFY
 
2013-09-19 08:51:08 AM  
img.fark.net

Prop wash in front of the boat?

Nice of those pirates to make a U-turn to get under the bomb.
 
2013-09-19 08:57:03 AM  
farm1.staticflickr.com
 
2013-09-19 09:13:03 AM  
The comments on that article make me want to laugh and cry at the same time, and they're exactly as I expected them to be. There's a very good reason for the American stereotype.
 
2013-09-19 09:14:40 AM  
 
2013-09-19 09:18:36 AM  

Bendal: I would have expected a 2000# bomb to have a larger explosion; it looked to me like that was a dummy bomb and just the impact destroyed the boat.


Yeah, it looks like a kinetic kill.
 
2013-09-19 09:23:06 AM  
supayoda
The comments on that article make me want to laugh and cry at the same time, and they're exactly as I expected them to be. There's a very good reason for the American stereotype.


I got a chuckle out of the last reply in that exchange:

{¨I guess you only find this useless because the UK has no actual military to speak of anymore.¨ - Insomniac, Buffalo}
===============
This is really unfair to our friends in the UK. Any time the US starts a war, the UK sends 5 or 6 trucks and a tugboat.- Captain America, Mississippi USA
>>>>>>>>>>>
The UK did send more but with all the US friendly fire there isn't much left to send. - Bobo the clown , N.Ireland-London,
 
2013-09-19 09:30:25 AM  
Nice Photoshop.  Did they do that themselves, or contract it out to Iran?
 
2013-09-19 09:42:24 AM  
America is the world's strongest military super power.

I didn't read past the first sentence.  It gave me a huge freedom boner.
 
2013-09-19 09:50:15 AM  
I better farking hope they can hit an 18 foot long, 8 foot wide target with a GBU-10... The farker is actively laser guided. As long as you drop it close enough to the target that it can actually reach the target, it WILL hit whatever the laser pointer designator is on.
 
2013-09-19 10:01:26 AM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: [img.fark.net image 634x341]

Prop wash in front of the boat?

Nice of those pirates to make a U-turn to get under the bomb.


Dollars to donuts it is being towed by another boat
 
2013-09-19 10:02:13 AM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: [img.fark.net image 634x341]

Prop wash in front of the boat?

Nice of those pirates to make a U-turn to get under the bomb.


it's a towed target so they could demonstrate the weapon's capability. Which is how they got such a good photo: it was a test so they were documenting the whole thing and knew when the weapon was going to hit.
 
2013-09-19 10:02:41 AM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: [img.fark.net image 634x341]

Prop wash in front of the boat?

Nice of those pirates to make a U-turn to get under the bomb.


I noticed that too. Was the target being towed? I'm clueless about these things obviously but the prop wash in front of the boat seemed odd. Also to my very inexperienced eye the photo does look shopped. Meh, maybe I'm just dumb.
 
2013-09-19 10:04:41 AM  

Voiceofreason01: Vlad_the_Inaner: [img.fark.net image 634x341]

Prop wash in front of the boat?

Nice of those pirates to make a U-turn to get under the bomb.

it's a towed target so they could demonstrate the weapon's capability. Which is how they got such a good photo: it was a test so they were documenting the whole thing and knew when the weapon was going to hit.


OK then, that cinches it, I am dumb.
 
2013-09-19 10:12:08 AM  
The B1 comes
on little cat feet.

It flies looking
over gulf and ocean
dropping large munitions
and then moves on.
 
2013-09-19 10:12:34 AM  

Monkey2: Voiceofreason01: Vlad_the_Inaner: [img.fark.net image 634x341]

Prop wash in front of the boat?

Nice of those pirates to make a U-turn to get under the bomb.

it's a towed target so they could demonstrate the weapon's capability. Which is how they got such a good photo: it was a test so they were documenting the whole thing and knew when the weapon was going to hit.

OK then, that cinches it, I am dumb.


In your defense it's a REALLY bad article.
 
2013-09-19 10:17:40 AM  
$24,000 missile and what does the jet that delivered it cost per hour?

To destroy a 2k rowboat. Money well spent

// this is what 50cals are for.
 
2013-09-19 10:17:53 AM  
Personally, I think using a Warthog would be far more entertaining for the spectators. And a lot less expensive for the military.
 
2013-09-19 10:22:23 AM  

Voiceofreason01: Monkey2: Voiceofreason01: Vlad_the_Inaner: [img.fark.net image 634x341]

Prop wash in front of the boat?

Nice of those pirates to make a U-turn to get under the bomb.

it's a towed target so they could demonstrate the weapon's capability. Which is how they got such a good photo: it was a test so they were documenting the whole thing and knew when the weapon was going to hit.

OK then, that cinches it, I am dumb.

In your defense it's a REALLY bad article.


OK, you have a point there. I keep telling myself I'm not gonna click on anymore Daily Mail articles but I do it anyway. Guess I'm just a glutton for punishment.

/back to lurking
//thanks for having my back
///third slashie just told me I'm in a hole and should stop digging
 
2013-09-19 10:25:15 AM  
first thing I thought of... guy fishing in the boat... sees the missile heading his way...

stream1.gifsoup.com
 
2013-09-19 10:26:36 AM  

Sofa King Smart: first thing I thought of... guy fishing in the boat... sees the missile heading his way...

[stream1.gifsoup.com image 320x240]


Hey! You scratched my anchor!
 
2013-09-19 11:15:56 AM  

OnlyM3: $24,000 missile and what does the jet that delivered it cost per hour?

To destroy a 2k rowboat. Money well spent

// this is what 50cals are for.


Yeah, but you have to get them there in a timely fashion, and the last time I checked, warships were more expensive to man, maintain, and operate than aircraft.
 
2013-09-19 11:28:27 AM  

escherblacksmith: The B1 comes
on little cat feet.

It flies looking
over gulf and ocean
dropping large munitions
and then moves on.


Carl Sandburg does not approve. But I do. +1.
 
2013-09-19 11:30:33 AM  
Gotta somehow justify that expensive ordnance in a world weary of war.

/shores of Tripoli
 
2013-09-19 11:34:58 AM  

SevenT: Personally, I think using a Warthog would be far more entertaining for the spectators. And a lot less expensive for the military.


Freedom farts!
www.air-and-space.com
/It can drop GBU-10's too
//Same pinpoint accuracy because the GBU-10 is a LASER GUIDED BOMB.
 
2013-09-19 12:18:05 PM  

hinten: You try to throw 2000 pounds of junk in the Gulf and see what happens.


Zipper goes down, and we're anchored.
 
2013-09-19 01:26:44 PM  

Voiceofreason01: This About That:
B1s do not creep.

and 2000lb bombs are not precision munitions no matter how accurately you target them


I'm not sure you understand how this works.  See, they have all these 2000lbs bombs.  They are dumb glide bombs.  So they suck.

But then, they attach a nose cone and tail fins and PRESTO it's a smart bomb.

/actually how they do it
//pretty farking accurate
///pick a 3 foot circle, point laser, bomb hits that 3 foot circle.
 
2013-09-19 01:55:09 PM  

SevenT: Personally, I think using a Warthog would be far more entertaining for the spectators. And a lot less expensive for the military.


You forgot the very important fact that the Air Force higher ups hate the A-10 due to it's slow speed, ugliness and incredible effectiveness at a reasonable price.
 
2013-09-19 02:18:59 PM  
Shades of Billy Mitchell.  Bomb a defenseless boat on a clear
day under controlled conditions and proclaim to the whole
world your invincibility.  Business as usual for the Air Corps.

If it were raining they wouldn't fly.  If it were cloudy/hazy/overcast
they'd have to wait for it to clear.  If their box lunch didn't
include an oatmeal cookie they'd call for an investigation.

Whoever was towing the target was in serious danger.
USAF -- maintaining a long tradition of friendly fire.
 
2013-09-19 02:29:46 PM  

JayCab: mithras_angel:

Hell, a non-explosive kinetic device dropped from any height would just punch a hole in the bottom of the boat.


It was; it did.  See that blue paint?  That indicates that
the weapon is inert... non-explosive... a hunk of iron.

Ammunition Color Codes:
Black: armor piercing
Blue: inert
Yellow: high explosive
etc.
 
2013-09-19 02:47:29 PM  
mbillips:

The whole operation is PR to try to keep the Air Force relevant

Well stated!  That's exactly it's purpose.  Had this been a
real event the USAF would have proclaimed that they sunk
the entire Iranian navy with one shot and have awarded
medals to all officers even tangentally involved.

Note the line in the article:

   Proudly displaying the images on their media page,
   the Air Force Dyess Air Base explained this tactic
   would be useful if targeting real-life pirate ships.

Usual Air Farce statement structure:

  We could/should/would do [something]
        if [some other thing].

Always big, blue-sky promises with a condition attached.

   We could have killed every Taliban in Stanland
   if grits had offered with breakfast.
 
2013-09-19 04:59:56 PM  

ReverendR: SevenT: Personally, I think using a Warthog would be far more entertaining for the spectators. And a lot less expensive for the military.

You forgot the very important fact that the Air Force higher ups hate the A-10 due to it's slow speed, ugliness and incredible effectiveness at a reasonable price.


See, the whole "slow speed" thing is actually a serious damn limitation. It's great for accurate strafing, not so great for showing up in a timely manner.
 
2013-09-19 07:45:49 PM  

Cid_Highwind: ReverendR: SevenT: Personally, I think using a Warthog would be far more entertaining for the spectators. And a lot less expensive for the military.

You forgot the very important fact that the Air Force higher ups hate the A-10 due to it's slow speed, ugliness and incredible effectiveness at a reasonable price.

See, the whole "slow speed" thing is actually a serious damn limitation. It's great for accurate strafing, not so great for showing up in a timely manner.


And believe it or not, the ammo for the cannon actually costs more than the bomb did.  An 84 with a GBU-10 rig as in the pic costs about $30K.  A full load of 30mm rounds costs around $45K.  Go figure.
 
2013-09-19 08:39:58 PM  
I have mixed emotions regarding our advanced weapons technology.  It is impressive engineering.
I would feel better about it if we were more righteous in their use and we also put as much emphasis and effort into furthering humanity.

/the space program used to fill that void (for me)
 
Al!
2013-09-19 08:50:35 PM  

Bendal: I would have expected a 2000# bomb to have a larger explosion; it looked to me like that was a dummy bomb and just the impact destroyed the boat.


It was a dummy.  The blue ones are inert, mostly concrete.

AtlanticCoast63: Some things to keep in mind:

*If that's a Mk84 2000 pound bomb (I think it is based on the size of the bomb versus the boat) When it goes off, the LETHAL radius of that beast is about 300 meters.  So you drop one on an incoming swarm of, oh, let's make up a name and call them "Iranian" speedboats, you're going to whack a couple at a time.

*The SNIPER targeting pod on a B-1 can target and launch multiple weapons at a time.   Assuming we have properly armed and equipped birds on station, it's possible to smother a swarm attack.  That's a big assumption, but it gives those imaginary "Iranians" something to think about.

And BTW the pic is very, very possible.  There's one out there from the tests of the old Pershing II years ago showing the warhead about to strike an outhouse-sized shack built on the target bullseye.

/The More You Know


I was in the 77th BS from 97-01.  We were the test squadron for the JDAM upgrade.  We used to show off pics of all sorts of small objects in the desert with a Mk84+JDAM tailkit hovering above, then an "after" pic of a hole in the sand.  There was one pic where the target was a stovepipe on top of a shack.  Mind you, the bomb didn't "fit" down the stovepipe, but it made its own hole, so it was all good.
 
2013-09-19 09:25:23 PM  

Cid_Highwind: ReverendR: SevenT: Personally, I think using a Warthog would be far more entertaining for the spectators. And a lot less expensive for the military.

You forgot the very important fact that the Air Force higher ups hate the A-10 due to it's slow speed, ugliness and incredible effectiveness at a reasonable price.

See, the whole "slow speed" thing is actually a serious damn limitation. It's great for accurate strafing, not so great for showing up in a timely manner.


Still shows up three times faster than an Apache (438 MPH as opposed to 182 MPH), and it's meant more to loiter in the general area of a conflict and be called in as needed than be scrambled from an airbase on request.
 
2013-09-20 06:52:16 AM  

Silverstaff: Still shows up three times faster than an Apache (438 MPH as opposed to 182 MPH), and it's meant more to loiter in the general area of a conflict and be called in as needed than be scrambled from an airbase on request.


Oh, I know. But compared to other fixed-wing assets, the shine starts to wear off. If you have advance notice, A-10s and AC-130s are great. If you don't, you want an F-15E.
 
2013-09-20 07:47:16 AM  

AtlanticCoast63: Cid_Highwind: ReverendR: SevenT: Personally, I think using a Warthog would be far more entertaining for the spectators. And a lot less expensive for the military.

You forgot the very important fact that the Air Force higher ups hate the A-10 due to it's slow speed, ugliness and incredible effectiveness at a reasonable price.

See, the whole "slow speed" thing is actually a serious damn limitation. It's great for accurate strafing, not so great for showing up in a timely manner.

And believe it or not, the ammo for the cannon actually costs more than the bomb did.  An 84 with a GBU-10 rig as in the pic costs about $30K.  A full load of 30mm rounds costs around $45K.  Go figure.


Bogus comparison, unless you believe that the A-10 can only fire one single long burst.

Typical load-out is 1,150 rounds, according to Wikipedia.  Gun fires at a cyclic rate of 3,900 rounds per minute, which is 65 rounds per second.  Pilots are trained to use 1 or 2 second bursts.  For 1 second bursts, you'd get (1,150 / 65) = 17.7 bursts, and for 2 second bursts, (1,150 / 130) = 8.8 bursts.

So the actual cost per gun activation would be between (45,000/17.7) = $2,542 and (45,000/8.8) = $5,114.

Even if the pilots only actually hit the target once out of every 4 tries, the economics still come out ahead of the bomb, because the cost goes to something between $10,168 and $20,456 per "target destroyed", whereas the bomb, smart though it may well be, is a one-shot deal.  It's going to cost $30k no matter what.

/Math.  It's what's for dinner.
 
2013-09-20 07:58:51 AM  

Cid_Highwind: ReverendR: SevenT: Personally, I think using a Warthog would be far more entertaining for the spectators. And a lot less expensive for the military.

You forgot the very important fact that the Air Force higher ups hate the A-10 due to it's slow speed, ugliness and incredible effectiveness at a reasonable price.

See, the whole "slow speed" thing is actually a serious damn limitation. It's great for accurate strafing, not so great for showing up in a timely manner.


Timely manner is relative.

Say you need CAS in a hurry.  The air asset is 100 miles away.

An F-15 going balls to the wall is going to get there in in probably about 7 minutes or so.

An A-10 doing the same is going to get there in about 14 minutes.

That *COULD* make a big difference, provided the F-15 is as capable an aircraft as the A-10 at CAS, but it's never, ever going to be as capable.

The correct answer would be to come up with a replacement for the A-10 that is a capable slow-speed gun/missile/bomb platform, but that can sprint at higher speeds.
 
2013-09-20 03:58:18 PM  
dittybopper:

The correct answer would be to come up with a replacement for the A-10 that is a capable slow-speed gun/missile/bomb platform, but that can sprint at higher speeds.

Say, something with jet engines for a high-speed dash
and more conventional engines for loiter (propeller?).
Something like the B-36 maybe?  Yeah, that's the ticket,
let's start a campaign to bring back the B-36 for close
air support (a role the AF has never been good at).
 
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