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(ESPN)   Not content to blow just one first-round draft pick next spring, Cleveland trades Trent Richardson to Indy for another   (espn.go.com) divider line 168
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2013-09-18 07:12:15 PM
So who is their second leading rusher?  Bet it's great.
 
2013-09-18 07:16:51 PM
Alright, let's break this down logically.

Trent Richardson...

* Has a long list of moderate to major injuries over the past year
* Has averaged 3.5 YPC over his first season
* Has averaged 1.6 YPC after first contact

He's a big name in Cleveland because he was a top-five pick and a high-profile player coming out of college, but he's been showing major signs of being a bust and the front office decided it'd be best to take the maximum value they could get for him now instead of waiting until the end of this year when he's still only averaging 3 YPC and either having to eat his mediocrity for another two years or bite the bullet and trade him for a 4th or 5th round pick.

This was EXTREMELY unexpected, but breaking it down, it's hard for me to say this wasn't a great move. McGahee, even coming off the injury, should at least be able to average the 3.4 YPC that Trent had so far this season. He's proven and should at least be a mediocre filler for the rest of the year.

Our running game was hurt before because Richardson, who was expected to be better this year after having an offseason to heal, was stinking up the place. Now, I doubt it's all his fault. He has his issues, but when you're a team whose passing game is bad enough toallow defenses to stack the box on every play AND you're getting horrific play from half of your offensive line, you can't expect your runners to do much.

Richardson WILL - you can mark my words - be better in Indi, and Cleveland sports radio will melt down on account of it, but he wasn't going to succeed here and we made a great move to cut ties now while still getting almost full value back for him.
 
2013-09-18 07:17:36 PM

arkansas: So who is their second leading rusher?  Bet it's great.


Bobby Rainey is listed as their second-string halfback, most noted for having never recorded a regular season carry.  But all is not lost: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000246848/article/willis-mcgahee - to-sign-with-browns-pending-physical

/Okay, all is lost.
 
2013-09-18 08:15:41 PM
Good luck Brownies.
 
2013-09-18 08:57:28 PM
Huh. This was unexpected. I wonder if hes any good.
 
2013-09-18 09:01:06 PM
I thought this was a joke when I first read it.

Anyway, he's overrated as most SEC running backs are, but I think being on the Colts could be a blessing in disguise. He'll be banged around less than he has been in Cleveland.

Hilarious, though, how Cleveland fans were treating this guy when he was drafted and what's happened now. If he'd been as good as advertised, Cleveland would be burning right now (again).
 
2013-09-18 09:09:21 PM
He'll do better in Indy just because Indy has a QB that the defense has to respect.
 
2013-09-18 09:12:00 PM
Factory.Of.Irrelevance.
 
2013-09-18 09:15:50 PM
Good news, everyone! If you ever played high school football, the Browns need a running back. You might also shoot a resume off to the Pats. And wait by the phone, I guess.
 
2013-09-18 09:16:23 PM

kronicfeld: He'll do better in Indy just because Indy has a QB that the defense has to respect.


FTFY.

Also, I just want to personally thank the Browns on behalf of fantasy footballers everywhere.  Instead of Richardson going up against the worst run defense in the league this weekend & maybe posting decent numbers for the first time in 2013, he draws San Fran in an unfamiliar offense.

/Seriously, you couldn't have waited one more week????
//It's real to me, dammit.
 
2013-09-18 09:17:01 PM

zerkalo: Good news, everyone! If you ever played high school football, the Browns need a running back.


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2013-09-18 09:20:02 PM
Does Cleveland play Jacksonville this year? The stadium might implode from all that sucking.
 
2013-09-18 09:20:50 PM
What doesn't make sense is why do this now? Why not at the draft, or sometime in the off season? Certainly there were offers at least as good as ~20th pick in the 2014 draft. Certainly there were no real surprises during the first 2 games to warrant a sudden change in strategy
 
2013-09-18 09:21:30 PM

bingethinker: Does Cleveland play Jacksonville this year? The stadium might implode from all that sucking.


Dec 1, in Cleveland
 
2013-09-18 09:22:15 PM

bingethinker: Does Cleveland play Jacksonville this year? The stadium might implode from all that sucking.


Week 13.  I believe ESPN is running a $1 million pool to guess who the starting quarterbacks will be.
 
2013-09-18 09:22:18 PM
Damn, I fully agree with CavalierEternal on this one. People are WAY overreacting.

The problem in the Cleveland front office was in 2012, when they threw three extra draft picks to the Vikings to move up one slot for a guy the Vikings already weren't going to take (and, in fact, no one was likely going to take, given that no running backs were drafted until after the Browns drafted TWICE).

By getting rid of him, while this season is going to suck, it's clear they're going to challenge the Jags for that No. 1 pick and potentially get Bridgewater and then they'll also have another first-rounder.

If the 2012 Browns' front office were competent and didn't bother trading and recognized that RBs aren't valuable in the NFL anymore, they could have picked up Tannehill with the first pick (since no one expected Wilson to be what he's become) and probably still have gotten Richardson with the 22nd pick. And even if someone DID take Richardson, the second RB picked was Doug Martin, which would've been a perfectly good substitute. And that's only if they really felt they HAD to go QB/RB in the first round.

Also, the Colts' defense is AWFUL, so they have a chance at getting two really good picks.
 
2013-09-18 09:22:22 PM

bingethinker: Does Cleveland play Jacksonville this year? The stadium might implode from all that sucking.


Week 13
 
2013-09-18 09:23:08 PM
#factory.of.sackofmagicbeans
 
2013-09-18 09:24:14 PM
So, the Browns apparently want to guarantee that they get a franchise quarterback in next year's draft, which might mean trading both of these first-round picks in order to move up.

Two words: Tim Couch.
 
2013-09-18 09:24:15 PM
Good move for the Browns who have played pretty well this year but 0-2 is tough to overcome and Richardson isn't going to provide nine wins by himself.

Tough part is they sold Richardson as the face of the team so it's better to rip that band-aid off now before he became too entrenched.

Bad part is that they will waste it on another "quarterback of the future" instead of shoring up their lines but I could be wrong.

I hope I am...for the Steelers sake.
 
2013-09-18 09:25:07 PM

IAmRight: Damn, I fully agree with CavalierEternal on this one. People are WAY overreacting.

The problem in the Cleveland front office was in 2012, when they threw three extra draft picks to the Vikings to move up one slot for a guy the Vikings already weren't going to take (and, in fact, no one was likely going to take, given that no running backs were drafted until after the Browns drafted TWICE).

By getting rid of him, while this season is going to suck, it's clear they're going to challenge the Jags for that No. 1 pick and potentially get Bridgewater and then they'll also have another first-rounder.

If the 2012 Browns' front office were competent and didn't bother trading and recognized that RBs aren't valuable in the NFL anymore, they could have picked up Tannehill with the first pick (since no one expected Wilson to be what he's become) and probably still have gotten Richardson with the 22nd pick. And even if someone DID take Richardson, the second RB picked was Doug Martin, which would've been a perfectly good substitute. And that's only if they really felt they HAD to go QB/RB in the first round.

Also, the Colts' defense is AWFUL, so they have a chance at getting two really good picks.


I think the problem is that they're effectively tanking the season on purpose. That's contrary to the nature of sports in the US. You don't quit, you don't give up 3 weeks into the season. It's an insult in America.

You're supposed to fight until the bitter end. Hell even the Jets try. Even Jacksonville tries.
 
2013-09-18 09:25:14 PM

Harv72b: Also, I just want to personally thank the Browns on behalf of fantasy footballers everywhere.  Instead of Richardson going up against the worst run defense in the league this weekend & maybe posting decent numbers for the first time in 2013, he draws San Fran in an unfamiliar offense.


You're going to complain about getting your RB an upgrade to an offense that won't have 9 in the box on every play because of one week with a tougher matchup?

/man, I need to find out if the person in my league with him is upset about this. I could use a free upgrade at RB
 
2013-09-18 09:25:57 PM

netweavr: Even Jacksonville tries.


They put Gabbert in to start the season, your argument is invalid.
 
2013-09-18 09:26:18 PM

IAmRight: netweavr: Even Jacksonville tries.

They put Gabbert in to start the season, your argument is invalid.


They put their best QB in, my argument stands
 
2013-09-18 09:28:21 PM

IAmRight: You're going to complain about getting your RB an upgrade to an offense that won't have 9 in the box on every play because of one week with a tougher matchup?


I'm just saying...one more week!  Particularly for my team where I'd paired him up with Steven Jackson.
 
2013-09-18 09:28:47 PM

Cybernetic: So, the Browns apparently want to guarantee that they get a franchise quarterback in next year's draft, which might mean trading both of these first-round picks in order to move up.

Two words: Tim Couch.


Tim Couch put up decent numbers behind a gaping hole the Browns tried to pass off as an offensive line and ended up literally knocked out of football. Had he had any semblance of blocking, he might still in playing for the Browns today.
 
2013-09-18 09:28:58 PM

netweavr: IAmRight: netweavr: Even Jacksonville tries.

They put Gabbert in to start the season, your argument is invalid.

They put their best QB in, my argument stands


Gabbert is their best quarterback.  Your argument is invalid.
 
2013-09-18 09:29:08 PM

netweavr: They put their best QB in, my argument stands


Henne > Gabbert.

And that's not praise of Henne.

I get why people are upset. But it's the Browns, and they've been irrelevant since Schottenheimer left. Even when they try, they might as well not have. So why not just suck as badly as possible and work on building up?

They're like a house with a rotting foundation...you don't just keep trying to build on top of that crappy foundation and try to build a nice house; they're just digging out the rotted part, getting below the ground, and then they'll build on top of a better foundation.
 
2013-09-18 09:30:27 PM
The NFL has become a passing league.  Good running backs can be found and often only have a good 5 or 6 years.  You need a top QB to succeed and maybe this trade will get the Browns the QB they need.  But then you can't afford a mistake because drafting the wrong QB can set you back 4-5 years.
 
2013-09-18 09:31:24 PM
Based upon the rebuilding strategy in Cleveland and the banking of draft picks for 2014, it makes sense to maximize value and by grabbing another 1st round pick when we know this season is going to go badly.  That being said, it is rather disconcerting to give up on the season this early (even for the Browns). Given how long Cleveland has waited for success, hopefully this works for them.  Their scouting department cannot afford to miss in this draft like they have in so many others.
 
2013-09-18 09:32:16 PM
It's Bobby Rainey time!
Ravens hid him on IR last year so no one could grab him. Never was injured and is a grinder. Never fumbles and doesn't get hurt.
I think the Clowns fans will be pleasantly surprised.
 
2013-09-18 09:34:51 PM

Cybernetic: So, the Browns apparently want to guarantee that they get a franchise quarterback in next year's draft, which might mean trading both of these first-round picks in order to move up.

Two words: Tim Couch.


l2.yimg.com
 
2013-09-18 09:34:53 PM

CavalierEternal: Alright,....


Hate to agree with a mistake by the lake guy, but this is a solid move by both parties.

Indy is going for the next few years with a young Luck, etc. and a good "plays hurt" RB and hopes to build on that.

Browns - hope to move this to a #1 QB and some pieces for the next few years.

I hope my Steelers can learn something from this.

/I SOOO hate saying this - but a good, SOLID, move by Browns GM
 
2013-09-18 09:38:08 PM
I get why Cleveland is tanking...but why for Bridgewater?
 
2013-09-18 09:41:02 PM
They're just clearing cap space for LeBron.
 
2013-09-18 09:42:08 PM

PowerSlacker: I get why Cleveland is tanking...but why for Bridgewater?


Not for Bridgewater specifically, but for whoever the top QB is going into next year's draft. 

At this point two seasons ago, nobody even knew who Robert Griffin III was, let alone that he'd be one of the top two players taken the following year.

At this point last year, Matt Barkley was a consensus top-ten pick.

The "next big thing" changes more often than our Head Coach.
 
2013-09-18 09:43:01 PM

CavalierEternal: but he's been showing major signs of being a bust


It's possible I'm more than a bit biased in Trent's favor, but I don't think there's a running back in the league who could have put up great numbers playing for the Browns. I'm excited to see what he can do in Indy, where the QB actually completes a pass now and then. Not sure what their offensive line is like, but I can't imagine it is worse than Cleveland's.
 
2013-09-18 09:43:27 PM

CavalierEternal: PowerSlacker: I get why Cleveland is tanking...but why for Bridgewater?

Not for Bridgewater specifically, but for whoever the top QB is going into next year's draft. 

At this point two seasons ago, nobody even knew who Robert Griffin III was, let alone that he'd be one of the top two players taken the following year.

At this point last year, Matt Barkley was a consensus top-ten pick.

The "next big thing" changes more often than our Head Coach.


Fair enough.

I think you're right.  They'll probably be drafting Mariota.
 
2013-09-18 09:44:43 PM

skinnycatullus: CavalierEternal: but he's been showing major signs of being a bust

It's possible I'm more than a bit biased in Trent's favor, but I don't think there's a running back in the league who could have put up great numbers playing for the Browns. I'm excited to see what he can do in Indy, where the QB actually completes a pass now and then. Not sure what their offensive line is like, but I can't imagine it is worse than Cleveland's.


Thing is that our o-line, on paper, is great. We've got Pro Bowlers at Center and Left Tackle and a good young Right Tackle. Problem is that our Guards are SO bad that they actually manage to drag the rest of them into the mud.
 
2013-09-18 09:45:45 PM
Rebuilding time in Cleveland again.  At least until two years from now when Weeden's eligible for Social Security and retires.
 
2013-09-18 09:47:47 PM

Harv72b: netweavr: IAmRight: netweavr: Even Jacksonville tries.

They put Gabbert in to start the season, your argument is invalid.

They put their best QB in, my argument stands

Gabbert is their best quarterback.  Your argument is invalid.


They're trying, that's the argument. Putting your best forward is trying. Hence it stands.

The Browns are taking their best piece and mortgaging it for next season. That's giving up.

IAmRight: netweavr: They put their best QB in, my argument stands

Henne > Gabbert.

And that's not praise of Henne.

I get why people are upset. But it's the Browns, and they've been irrelevant since Schottenheimer left. Even when they try, they might as well not have. So why not just suck as badly as possible and work on building up?

They're like a house with a rotting foundation...you don't just keep trying to build on top of that crappy foundation and try to build a nice house; they're just digging out the rotted part, getting below the ground, and then they'll build on top of a better foundation.


Gabbert is who they were banking on. And while I concede you're probably right, Gabbert was the best choice they could make given the cards they could see on the table.
 
2013-09-18 09:49:28 PM

CavalierEternal: PowerSlacker: I get why Cleveland is tanking...but why for Bridgewater?

Not for Bridgewater specifically, but for whoever the top QB is going into next year's draft.


I watch a lot of CFB (mock accordingly). But glad Steelers drafted Ben, and if the Browns get Teddy, you will be happy.

Oh well, back to obscurity.
 
2013-09-18 09:49:32 PM

bulldg4life: They're just clearing cap space for LeBron.


Yeah, it's hard cause Sizemore is still taking up cap room
 
2013-09-18 09:50:38 PM

Harv72b: kronicfeld: He'll do better in Indy just because Indy has a QB that the defense has to respect.

FTFY.

Also, I just want to personally thank the Browns on behalf of fantasy footballers everywhere.  Instead of Richardson going up against the worst run defense in the league this weekend & maybe posting decent numbers for the first time in 2013, he draws San Fran in an unfamiliar offense.

/Seriously, you couldn't have waited one more week????
//It's real to me, dammit.


As the owner of Ahmad Bradshaw, I can totally relate and not sympathize.
 
2013-09-18 09:51:59 PM
Might be a good move for Indy.
Is a good move for Cleveland.

They should see what Denver will give them for Joe Thomas.
 
2013-09-18 09:53:08 PM
FuLinHyu: Browns - hope to move this to a #1 QB and some pieces for the next few years.

Yeah, right.  What did they have in the 2012 draft: 3 first-round picks?  And they chose Weedon?

Call me when the Clowns score a touchdown this season.
 
2013-09-18 09:55:58 PM
In some ways, I can see how this is a good move on Cleveland's part, but on the other hand, I don't really see any franchise QBs in the upcoming draft. Now, they will have their own pick, which they can probably pick up one of, if not the best QB in the draft, who will most likely be average (I don't really see any obvious NFL superstars coming out this year), without making a trade, and have to replace Richardson with what will now be a lower 1st round pick, IF they don't spend that on a WR. McGahee is only a short term band aid, so, no matter what, they will need to find a RB or 2.

They would have been better off getting multiple picks, IMO.
 
2013-09-18 10:01:06 PM
Out of all the Cleveland Browns in the world, they are the Cleveland Browniest.
 
2013-09-18 10:02:02 PM
What's more interesting to me than Cleveland is that Indy must feel that they are genuinely a SB contender this year.  This is sort of the equivalent of all in; they have lost a lot of players to injuries, but still feel they are just a "headline" RB away from major contention.  If it works out, they'll seem like genuises; if it doesn't, have they mortgage the future for this one year's run?

\this week: Trent Richardson is a Colt
\\next week: Trent Richardson goes on IR
 
2013-09-18 10:02:33 PM

iron_city_ap: They would have been better off getting multiple picks, IMO.


No one's offering more than a first-rounder for a RB. Probably not even if it were Adrian Peterson.
 
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