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2013-09-18 04:22:59 PM
"The report states that 'the driver stated he has a lot of money and I need to shut the **** up.'"

The Honda you drive states that you are mistaken.
 
2013-09-18 04:23:15 PM
Should have gone with "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?"

Followed with "I PAY YOUR TAXES!"
 
2013-09-18 04:26:39 PM
At that pint, why not?

/WTF are they going to do, arrest you?
 
2013-09-18 04:53:58 PM
how high did his wanted level go?
 
2013-09-18 04:57:21 PM
That could work if you immediately follow it with "I'm a Kennedy".
 
2013-09-18 05:00:54 PM
Gaze upon what not be, my son:

bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com

/sends this link to my son
 
2013-09-18 05:11:00 PM
4 times the modern limit is like... slightly above actually drunk.
 
2013-09-18 06:00:33 PM

doglover: 4 times the modern limit is like... slightly above actually drunk.


I completely understand your disdain for the 0.08 limit, but he was damn knackered.
 
2013-09-18 06:03:40 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: "The report states that 'the driver stated he has a lot of money and I need to shut the **** up.'"

The Honda you drive states that you are mistaken.


Maybe that's why he's rich.

/doubt he's rich
 
2013-09-18 06:04:50 PM

doglover: 4 times the modern limit is like... slightly above actually drunk.


Actually, even though the "legal limit" is sort of bullshiat, .365  is pretty high.
 
2013-09-18 06:05:15 PM

SecretAgentWoman: Gaze upon what not be, my son:



/sends this link to my son


That pic makes his nostrils look 5 inches wide.

Oh yeah, and fark this self-important loser.
 
2013-09-18 06:09:40 PM
He could 'shoot' the cop? Drunkard.
 
2013-09-18 06:10:04 PM
A little after 8am? I like this guy's can-do attitude.
 
2013-09-18 06:10:40 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: At that pint, why not?

/WTF are they going to do, arrest you?


that's what i was thinking.  you're going down, might as well have some fun with it.
 
2013-09-18 06:17:05 PM
And people still don't believe in spontaneous combustion.
 
2013-09-18 06:17:51 PM
In related news, the new season of COPS has started....
 
2013-09-18 06:17:55 PM
What is it about cop cars? They're like magnets for drunks in cars...

/Buzzed
//Posting safely from my basement bar, not my car
 
2013-09-18 06:19:12 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: At that pint, why not?

/WTF are they going to do, arrest you?

 
2013-09-18 06:19:30 PM

R.A.Danny: doglover: 4 times the modern limit is like... slightly above actually drunk.

I completely understand your disdain for the 0.08 limit, but he was damn knackered.


The Japanese have a saying: 10 people, 10 colors. It means everyone is different. I know people who are smooth enough to do brain surgery on a 0.32, although they can't actually do brain surgery because they're horrid alcoholics. You want them on your team in beach sports, though.
 
2013-09-18 06:20:17 PM

gfid: MaudlinMutantMollusk: At that pint, why not?

/WTF are they going to do, arrest you?


Heh... loose vowel syndrome
 
2013-09-18 06:28:51 PM
8am ? My guess is homie works in a restaurant and was coming home from the after hours.
 
2013-09-18 06:29:35 PM

Mugato: doglover: 4 times the modern limit is like... slightly above actually drunk.

Actually, even though the "legal limit" is sort of bullshiat, .365  is pretty high.


You sound like a lightweight...
 
2013-09-18 06:30:43 PM

doglover: 4 times the modern limit is like... slightly above actually drunk.


4x the legal limit is approaching coma/death levels...
 
2013-09-18 06:35:17 PM

Dextro: 4x the legal limit is approaching coma/death levels...


For a chronic, heavy alcoholic, 4x the legal limit might be their baseline they wake up at in the morning with.
 
2013-09-18 06:36:52 PM

Dextro: doglover: 4 times the modern limit is like... slightly above actually drunk.

4x the legal limit is approaching coma/death levels...


Pfffffft. Amateurs.
 
2013-09-18 06:37:20 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Mugato: doglover: 4 times the modern limit is like... slightly above actually drunk.

Actually, even though the "legal limit" is sort of bullshiat, .365  is pretty high.

You sound like a lightweight...


Well I was hospitalized with a .5 once. Nothing to be proud of, Russ.
 
2013-09-18 06:43:05 PM

doglover: R.A.Danny: doglover: 4 times the modern limit is like... slightly above actually drunk.

I completely understand your disdain for the 0.08 limit, but he was damn knackered.

The Japanese have a saying: 10 people, 10 colors. It means everyone is different. I know people who are smooth enough to do brain surgery on a 0.32, although they can't actually do brain surgery because they're horrid alcoholics. You want them on your team in beach sports, though.


Great point. We should institute variable laws based on individuals. Sure, it's a ridiculously stupid idea and would cost so much money and manpower that it would break most small towns, but at least that one alcoholic can drive home from a restaurant without worrying about going to jail.
 
2013-09-18 06:47:06 PM
i.qkme.me
 
2013-09-18 06:47:39 PM

kwame: doglover: R.A.Danny: doglover: 4 times the modern limit is like... slightly above actually drunk.

I completely understand your disdain for the 0.08 limit, but he was damn knackered.

The Japanese have a saying: 10 people, 10 colors. It means everyone is different. I know people who are smooth enough to do brain surgery on a 0.32, although they can't actually do brain surgery because they're horrid alcoholics. You want them on your team in beach sports, though.

Great point. We should institute variable laws based on individuals. Sure, it's a ridiculously stupid idea and would cost so much money and manpower that it would break most small towns, but at least that one alcoholic can drive home from a restaurant without worrying about going to jail.


Everyone who's got a BAC >0.01 thinks they're okay to drive.

Everyone. Even the guy who just killed a family of three.
 
2013-09-18 06:48:33 PM
My bad.
 
2013-09-18 06:49:44 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: At that pint, why not?

/WTF are they going to do, arrest you

more?

FTFY
 
2013-09-18 06:49:55 PM

doglover: R.A.Danny: doglover: 4 times the modern limit is like... slightly above actually drunk.

I completely understand your disdain for the 0.08 limit, but he was damn knackered.

The Japanese have a saying: 10 people, 10 colors. It means everyone is different. I know people who are smooth enough to do brain surgery on a 0.32, although they can't actually do brain surgery because they're horrid alcoholics. You want them on your team in beach sports, though.


No you don't. Stop being ridiculous.
 
2013-09-18 06:54:12 PM

kwame: doglover: R.A.Danny: doglover: 4 times the modern limit is like... slightly above actually drunk.

I completely understand your disdain for the 0.08 limit, but he was damn knackered.

The Japanese have a saying: 10 people, 10 colors. It means everyone is different. I know people who are smooth enough to do brain surgery on a 0.32, although they can't actually do brain surgery because they're horrid alcoholics. You want them on your team in beach sports, though.

Great point. We should institute variable laws based on individuals. Sure, it's a ridiculously stupid idea and would cost so much money and manpower that it would break most small towns, but at least that one alcoholic can drive home from a restaurant without worrying about going to jail.


0.08 is too low. It's straight up goldbricking. Either go zero tollerance, which is impossible, or by an LD50 of actually impaired motor skills, which would be 1970's limits.
 
2013-09-18 06:55:47 PM
doglover,
The Japanese have a saying: 10 people, 10 colors. It means everyone is different. I know people who are smooth enough to do brain surgery on a 0.32, although they can't actually do brain surgery because they're horrid alcoholics. You want them on your team in beach sports, though.


In my perfect world just like there are codes for corrective eyewear, motorcycles or semis, there would be codes for drinking up to a specific percent, codes for texting or talking while driving, ect. But only if one could pass an exam to show abilities in such areas.
 
2013-09-18 07:01:15 PM

doglover: kwame: doglover: R.A.Danny: doglover: 4 times the modern limit is like... slightly above actually drunk.

I completely understand your disdain for the 0.08 limit, but he was damn knackered.

The Japanese have a saying: 10 people, 10 colors. It means everyone is different. I know people who are smooth enough to do brain surgery on a 0.32, although they can't actually do brain surgery because they're horrid alcoholics. You want them on your team in beach sports, though.

Great point. We should institute variable laws based on individuals. Sure, it's a ridiculously stupid idea and would cost so much money and manpower that it would break most small towns, but at least that one alcoholic can drive home from a restaurant without worrying about going to jail.

0.08 is too low. It's straight up goldbricking. Either go zero tollerance, which is impossible, or by an LD50 of actually impaired motor skills, which would be 1970's limits.


.08 is impaired. Period. Find something else to argue about. You have this stupid boner about the legal system because you got screwed over one time, but it's not an issue to tell people to wait an hour or don't drink before you drive.
 
2013-09-18 07:05:39 PM

hardinparamedic: kwame: doglover: R.A.Danny: doglover: 4 times the modern limit is like... slightly above actually drunk.

I completely understand your disdain for the 0.08 limit, but he was damn knackered.

The Japanese have a saying: 10 people, 10 colors. It means everyone is different. I know people who are smooth enough to do brain surgery on a 0.32, although they can't actually do brain surgery because they're horrid alcoholics. You want them on your team in beach sports, though.

Great point. We should institute variable laws based on individuals. Sure, it's a ridiculously stupid idea and would cost so much money and manpower that it would break most small towns, but at least that one alcoholic can drive home from a restaurant without worrying about going to jail.

Everyone who's got a BAC >0.01 thinks they're okay to drive.

Everyone. Even the guy who just killed a family of three.


And what about all the people run over by sober drivers? Do they magically come back to life because of the 0.00 BAC? No? Well then clearly that justifies artifically low limits.

We spend all our resources on bullshiat feel good nothings, like lowering the BAC, when MADD could have been MFT (Mothers For Trains) and invested heavily in light rail. Then we could just say "NO BAC is acceptable. If you drink, take the train." and there'd be no problems from anyone. We can't do that now, though, because they'd rather pop people at illegal checkpoints for $$$$ than actually solve any problems.
 
2013-09-18 07:07:40 PM
Because sober people have accidents, the BAC limit needs review. That's some solid logic.
 
2013-09-18 07:09:13 PM
www.troll.me
 
JVD
2013-09-18 07:12:38 PM
.300-.350 isn't that drunk. In Wisconsin anyways.
 
2013-09-18 07:15:58 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: At that pint, why not?
/WTF are they going to do, arrest you?


Hey, why not? When I was arrested for driving at about 3 times the legal limit, and getting into an accident, I thought my best defense was to call the police officer "Deputy Dawg."

/Ah, the good old days
//....weren't so good
 
2013-09-18 07:16:36 PM

DaMoGan: What is it about cop cars? They're like magnets for drunks in cars...

/Buzzed
//Posting safely from my basement bar, not my car


probably all the lights and stuff and being easily distracted when drunk
 
2013-09-18 07:21:26 PM
have to appreciate the raw drunken attitude.  No matter what the out come.

Sadly the cop is most likely a person too so there's that and nobody really likes to insult others -
Which is not an issue if the cop has a track record of a$$holeism
 
2013-09-18 07:21:54 PM

doglover: And what about all the people run over by sober drivers? Do they magically come back to life because of the 0.00 BAC? No? Well then clearly that justifies artifically low limits.


For the people run over and killed by sober drivers, we have negligent homicide and manslaughter.

I fail to see your point in trying to make out like distracted driving is somehow worse than driving intoxicated? Quite frankly, I personally think you should get your licensed yanked for being a douchebag with a cell phone as well.
 
2013-09-18 07:28:54 PM
Subby, the guy crashed the sheriff, but he did not crash the deputy.
 
2013-09-18 07:32:22 PM

hardinparamedic: doglover: And what about all the people run over by sober drivers? Do they magically come back to life because of the 0.00 BAC? No? Well then clearly that justifies artifically low limits.

For the people run over and killed by sober drivers, we have negligent homicide and manslaughter.

I fail to see your point in trying to make out like distracted driving is somehow worse than driving intoxicated? Quite frankly, I personally think you should get your licensed yanked for being a douchebag with a cell phone as well.


Or a teen, or a woman, or old, or an asian, or from Ohio, or having a bumper sticker collection: So many problem drivers on the road.

What we really need is to stop trying to halt the flood one sandbag at a time and build a levee: ie a good public transit system. Let's clear all the people who shouldn't be on the roads off and still help them
get where they're goin'

Right now America has legal booze, which means bars, but no way to get there but cars. DDs only work for roomates and family members. Western PA is one giant case of entrapment at 0.08 and I hate that. We need light rail from the Suburbs to Dahtown, and so does EVERYONE else.

For really rural areas? DUI friendly times. 12-3 AM Drunks and emergency crews only. Or make them use a flashing green light or something.
 
2013-09-18 07:33:46 PM
Damn... why'd it have to be a Caprice PPV? :(
 
2013-09-18 07:39:10 PM

hardinparamedic: Dextro: 4x the legal limit is approaching coma/death levels...

For a chronic, heavy alcoholic, 4x the legal limit might be their baseline they wake up at in the morning with.


Yes. Those who alter their chemistry such that they now rely on alcohol to properly function (something about GABA brain signals something something that keeps your body from going into shock and having heart attack from DTs), need the chemical to function normally. And even after 6 shots, may not feel buzzed at all. Everyone's tolerance is difference.
 
2013-09-18 07:42:52 PM

doglover: 4 times the modern limit is like... slightly above actually drunk.


Yet in Japan, better not drive with more than a 0.2. For a culture that celebrates the ocassional getting shiatfaced, they do not tolerate drunk driving. One of my extended Japanese family members partied at a friends house, spent the night, drove back the next morning and somehow got arrested and taken to jail for a 0.2
 
2013-09-18 07:45:49 PM

ManateeGag: how high did his wanted level go?


Have you slept in the last 36 hours?  Maybe it's time for a break.  The game will automatically save for you while you sleep.
 
2013-09-18 07:46:19 PM

SecretAgentWoman: Gaze upon what not be, my son:

img.fark.net

/sends this link to my son


FTA: Tauber claimed he hadn't been drinking and refused to perform standard field sobriety tests, telling the deputy to "F*** off."  The report states that "the driver stated he has a lot of money and I need to shut the **** up."

OK, what's his FARK handle?

/he then told the deputy he had to be at the gym in 26 minutes
//and that the deputy's wife had sharp knees
 
2013-09-18 07:48:00 PM

doglover: hardinparamedic: doglover: And what about all the people run over by sober drivers? Do they magically come back to life because of the 0.00 BAC? No? Well then clearly that justifies artifically low limits.

For the people run over and killed by sober drivers, we have negligent homicide and manslaughter.

I fail to see your point in trying to make out like distracted driving is somehow worse than driving intoxicated? Quite frankly, I personally think you should get your licensed yanked for being a douchebag with a cell phone as well.

Or a teen, or a woman, or old, or an asian, or from Ohio, or having a bumper sticker collection: So many problem drivers on the road.

What we really need is to stop trying to halt the flood one sandbag at a time and build a levee: ie a good public transit system. Let's clear all the people who shouldn't be on the roads off and still help them
get where they're goin'

Right now America has legal booze, which means bars, but no way to get there but cars. DDs only work for roomates and family members. Western PA is one giant case of entrapment at 0.08 and I hate that. We need light rail from the Suburbs to Dahtown, and so does EVERYONE else.

For really rural areas? DUI friendly times. 12-3 AM Drunks and emergency crews only. Or make them use a flashing green light or something.


So you want government to help you with your drinking. People shouldn't be personally responsible. Got it.
 
2013-09-18 07:49:15 PM

kwame: .08 is impaired. Period. Find something else to argue about.


Well, you've convinced me.

0.08 it is then.  No need to lower it to 0.05?

Oops, too late.  MADD is already fighting for that and has already succeeded in some places.

Just think - if the limit were 0.05 where this guy lived the headline could have said he was 7 times the legal limit.
 
2013-09-18 08:01:33 PM
All you DUI defenders -- let's hear you testify for the drunk guy who struck you or your car.

/crickets
 
2013-09-18 08:04:09 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: gfid: MaudlinMutantMollusk: At that pint, why not?

/WTF are they going to do, arrest you?

Heh... loose vowel syndrome


No no, it works fine.
 
2013-09-18 08:04:55 PM

Witness99: doglover: 4 times the modern limit is like... slightly above actually drunk.

Yet in Japan, better not drive with more than a 0.2. For a culture that celebrates the ocassional getting shiatfaced, they do not tolerate drunk driving. One of my extended Japanese family members partied at a friends house, spent the night, drove back the next morning and somehow got arrested and taken to jail for a 0.2


Japan is ZERO tollerence, cars and bicycles and anything else. No lower limit. And they have blood money for fatalities. If you kill someone you pay their family a percentage of your paycheck for life. Why does this no outrage me, even though I live here? No one needs a car to go the bar. You can walk everywhere and/or take a train. Easy peasy. Bars here don't even have parking.


Western PA, on the other hand, has no trains to speak of, despite tracks EVERYWHERE, and there's nothing to do but drink or Walmart after 7PM. And the bars close at 2AM and you're not allowed or able to sleep it off in your car. So, really, the only choice is to drive home intoxicated. And wouldja lookit that, they set up checkpoints right as the bars close. That's an apalling abuse of law.

Punishing people who break laws that MUST be broken to avoid breaking other laws just to engage in alchol consumption at a bar is stupid. It's lose-lose unless you're a cop, judge, or county clerk cashin' those fines. We either build a good public transit system, allow drunk driving, or just keep pretending that sending people to jail for BACs Winston Churchill used to reach BEFORE his first gin of the day isn't just amoral and a waste of time.
 
2013-09-18 08:15:47 PM

Keys dude: All you DUI defenders -- let's hear you testify for the drunk guy who struck you or your car.

/crickets


Or killed your best friend in high school.

/why I'm on a first name basis with every cab driver in town.
 
2013-09-18 09:15:35 PM

Keys dude: All you DUI defenders -- let's hear you testify for the drunk guy who struck you or your car.

/crickets


Just ask dogfarker; an adult getting smashed on purpose and driving is just an unethical as a teenager who is new to driving.

Totally sane line of thought.
 
2013-09-18 09:19:26 PM

doglover: Witness99: doglover: 4 times the modern limit is like... slightly above actually drunk.

Yet in Japan, better not drive with more than a 0.2. For a culture that celebrates the ocassional getting shiatfaced, they do not tolerate drunk driving. One of my extended Japanese family members partied at a friends house, spent the night, drove back the next morning and somehow got arrested and taken to jail for a 0.2

Japan is ZERO tollerence, cars and bicycles and anything else. No lower limit. And they have blood money for fatalities. If you kill someone you pay their family a percentage of your paycheck for life. Why does this no outrage me, even though I live here? No one needs a car to go the bar. You can walk everywhere and/or take a train. Easy peasy. Bars here don't even have parking.


Western PA, on the other hand, has no trains to speak of, despite tracks EVERYWHERE, and there's nothing to do but drink or Walmart after 7PM. And the bars close at 2AM and you're not allowed or able to sleep it off in your car. So, really, the only choice is to drive home intoxicated. And wouldja lookit that, they set up checkpoints right as the bars close. That's an apalling abuse of law.

Punishing people who break laws that MUST be broken to avoid breaking other laws just to engage in alchol consumption at a bar is stupid. It's lose-lose unless you're a cop, judge, or county clerk cashin' those fines. We either build a good public transit system, allow drunk driving, or just keep pretending that sending people to jail for BACs Winston Churchill used to reach BEFORE his first gin of the day isn't just amoral and a waste of time.


Omg you are completely insane. Or so addicted to hitting the bars that you cannot think straight.

You would think people forced your dumb ass to drink and drive.
 
2013-09-18 09:23:07 PM

gfid: kwame: .08 is impaired. Period. Find something else to argue about.

Well, you've convinced me.

0.08 it is then.  No need to lower it to 0.05?

Oops, too late.  MADD is already fighting for that and has already succeeded in some places.

Just think - if the limit were 0.05 where this guy lived the headline could have said he was 7 times the legal limit.


Farking grade inflation is what it is.
 
2013-09-18 10:11:37 PM

doglover: Witness99: doglover: 4 times the modern limit is like... slightly above actually drunk.

Yet in Japan, better not drive with more than a 0.2. For a culture that celebrates the ocassional getting shiatfaced, they do not tolerate drunk driving. One of my extended Japanese family members partied at a friends house, spent the night, drove back the next morning and somehow got arrested and taken to jail for a 0.2

Japan is ZERO tollerence, cars and bicycles and anything else. No lower limit. And they have blood money for fatalities. If you kill someone you pay their family a percentage of your paycheck for life. Why does this no outrage me, even though I live here? No one needs a car to go the bar. You can walk everywhere and/or take a train. Easy peasy. Bars here don't even have parking.


Western PA, on the other hand, has no trains to speak of, despite tracks EVERYWHERE, and there's nothing to do but drink or Walmart after 7PM. And the bars close at 2AM and you're not allowed or able to sleep it off in your car. So, really, the only choice is to drive home intoxicated. And wouldja lookit that, they set up checkpoints right as the bars close. That's an apalling abuse of law.

Punishing people who break laws that MUST be broken to avoid breaking other laws just to engage in alchol consumption at a bar is stupid. It's lose-lose unless you're a cop, judge, or county clerk cashin' those fines. We either build a good public transit system, allow drunk driving, or just keep pretending that sending people to jail for BACs Winston Churchill used to reach BEFORE his first gin of the day isn't just amoral and a waste of time.


Yeah, that's really sad. It's not like you couldn't find a designated driver, call a taxi, take your booze home before you drink it, stop drinking before last call, switch to beer at midnight, or, you know, any of the OTHER things people do to not drive home drunk off their asses.

Sorry, I've got no patience for people who drink and drive, although I agree that DUI laws are silly; much as I have no sympathy for idiots who get popped with weed in their cars even as I disagree with pot laws. If you don't want to get busted with weed in the car, don't carry it in your car. If you don't want to get arrested for DUI, don't drive drunk. It's really just that easy. And if you must drink till 2 a.m. every single night and absolutely cannot get home any other way (how? why?) then suck it up and pay the goddamn ticket. Other people have to drive on the same road with your drunk ass and they don't have any choice about it either. Why do they have to pay for it and you do not?

You could get a job, and go to bed at a decent hour like the rest of us, then you wouldn't be drinking till all hours.
 
2013-09-18 10:32:57 PM

Gyrfalcon: You could get a job, and go to bed at a decent hour like the rest of us, then you wouldn't be drinking till all hours.


I have a job and I drink till all hours. But there's a bar within walking distance from my condo. It's even called Moe's. But yeah, when I was young I not only drank and drove, I drank while driving. From Tampa to Miami or to LA. But I now know I got lucky. Not because I couldn't drive but I could have hit a roadblock, especially in north Florida. So I don't even have one beer before getting behind the wheel. Or even walking near my car. I knew a guy who got popped before he even opened his car door.

Yet texting while driving is just sort of laughed about. Sure they passed some laws to make it look like they're doing something but how can they enforce them really? Anywhoo, don't drink and drive or you;ll get arrested and have to listen to some shrieking harpy from MADD.
 
2013-09-18 10:46:37 PM
I never drank and dove. The one time or another I was too disoriented to be driving in my opinion was mostly from lack of sleep after long shifts at work. So I pulled off for red bull and a nap at rest areas and back on the road.

But I grew up in Western PA. There was no legal way to partake in alcohol at a bar without driving to and from the establishment. And a .08 is nothing. Much like the 21 drinking age, it's a cultural relic of Prohibition and the cult of demon rum. If we're going to be backwards and oppressive, let's at least make progress while doing it.

Instead of hunting for DUI in amoral entrapment schemes, let's ban liquor licences so all local businesses can sell booze as a bar, build more light rail, and ban driving to bars entirely. 0.00 BAC, like a vegas gun range. But the state loses money by not trying to treat its citizens as people no economic chattle. So my plan would never happen.
 
2013-09-18 10:49:24 PM

Mugato: Gyrfalcon: You could get a job, and go to bed at a decent hour like the rest of us, then you wouldn't be drinking till all hours.

I have a job and I drink till all hours. But there's a bar within walking distance from my condo. It's even called Moe's. But yeah, when I was young I not only drank and drove, I drank while driving. From Tampa to Miami or to LA. But I now know I got lucky. Not because I couldn't drive but I could have hit a roadblock, especially in north Florida. So I don't even have one beer before getting behind the wheel. Or even walking near my car. I knew a guy who got popped before he even opened his car door.

Yet texting while driving is just sort of laughed about. Sure they passed some laws to make it look like they're doing something but how can they enforce them really? Anywhoo, don't drink and drive or you;ll get arrested and have to listen to some shrieking harpy from MADD.


Even walking near your car is a crime? WTF!?

How are you all not outraged by that?

No, it's all "Why you drivin' drunk DL?" But I don't. I'm just for sane police.
 
2013-09-18 10:52:08 PM
At that point. why not? He's farked anyway.
 
2013-09-18 10:59:39 PM

doglover: Even walking near your car is a crime? WTF!?

How are you all not outraged by that?

No, it's all "Why you drivin' drunk DL?" But I don't. I'm just for sane police.


You can't be walking towards your car, you can't be lying on the hood of your car and you definitely can't be in the driver's seat of your car with your keys far off the ignition. So you can't even sleep it off in your car. I'm not defending drunks or anything but yeah, it's a little farked up. And no one says anything because "drunk driving! Here's a picture of my dead kid!".
 
2013-09-18 11:00:58 PM

doglover: I never drank and dove. The one time or another I was too disoriented to be driving in my opinion was mostly from lack of sleep after long shifts at work. So I pulled off for red bull and a nap at rest areas and back on the road.

But I grew up in Western PA. There was no legal way to partake in alcohol at a bar without driving to and from the establishment. And a .08 is nothing. Much like the 21 drinking age, it's a cultural relic of Prohibition and the cult of demon rum. If we're going to be backwards and oppressive, let's at least make progress while doing it.

Instead of hunting for DUI in amoral entrapment schemes, let's ban liquor licences so all local businesses can sell booze as a bar, build more light rail, and ban driving to bars entirely. 0.00 BAC, like a vegas gun range. But the state loses money by not trying to treat its citizens as people no economic chattle. So my plan would never happen.

 The problem is that so many accidents are in fact caused by dumbasses who insist on driving drunk--not just fatalities, but fender-benders, injury accidents, single-car wrecks and hit&runs. For every person who says "Yeah, I drive/used to drive drunk but nothing happened" there's someone who didn't, and just because nobody died in that accident, there's insurance rates that went up, or a bar that got sued, or a dram-shop law that got passed or a roadblock law that wasn't struck down...because people kept saying "I can drive when I've had a few drinks!" Only focusing on the accidents where people died is wrong--it's the ones where people DIDN'T die that cause the problems. Those are the invisible accidents, because there are more of them and they lead to all the issues that you bemoan.


If it wasn't that people drive drunk and don't die, there'd be no profit in DUI arrests. And if states and cities did as you suggest, how do you think they'd enforce it? By arresting people driving to and from anywhere serving alcohol, and with checkpoints--just the same way. There is no other way to catch people.
 
2013-09-18 11:05:16 PM

Keys dude: All you DUI defenders -- let's hear you testify for the drunk guy who struck you or your car.

/crickets


I'm not defending DUI even though I think the limit is too low.

Can you defend anyone who causes an accident even if they are completely sober?

I know I can't.
 
2013-09-18 11:19:51 PM

gfid: kwame: .08 is impaired. Period. Find something else to argue about.

Well, you've convinced me.

0.08 it is then.  No need to lower it to 0.05?

Oops, too late.  MADD is already fighting for that and has already succeeded in some places.

Just think - if the limit were 0.05 where this guy lived the headline could have said he was 7 times the legal limit.


You would probably think Europe is a bastion of Fascism then, considering in most EU countries, it's illegal to drive with anything above a 0.01, period.

And licenses are FAR more expensive, and far harder to obtain there than in the states.
 
2013-09-18 11:34:06 PM

gfid: Keys dude: All you DUI defenders -- let's hear you testify for the drunk guy who struck you or your car.

/crickets

I'm not defending DUI even though I think the limit is too low.

Can you defend anyone who causes an accident even if they are completely sober?

I know I can't.


Drinking and driving is deliberate.

Are you seriously equating deliberately operating while impaired with something like hitting a patch of black ice or missing a stop sign?


Unbelievable the apoligizers for dui on this site.
 
2013-09-19 12:06:43 AM

Gyrfalcon: doglover: I never drank and dove. The one time or another I was too disoriented to be driving in my opinion was mostly from lack of sleep after long shifts at work. So I pulled off for red bull and a nap at rest areas and back on the road.

But I grew up in Western PA. There was no legal way to partake in alcohol at a bar without driving to and from the establishment. And a .08 is nothing. Much like the 21 drinking age, it's a cultural relic of Prohibition and the cult of demon rum. If we're going to be backwards and oppressive, let's at least make progress while doing it.

Instead of hunting for DUI in amoral entrapment schemes, let's ban liquor licences so all local businesses can sell booze as a bar, build more light rail, and ban driving to bars entirely. 0.00 BAC, like a vegas gun range. But the state loses money by not trying to treat its citizens as people no economic chattle. So my plan would never happen.
 The problem is that so many accidents are in fact caused by dumbasses who insist on driving drunk--not just fatalities, but fender-benders, injury accidents, single-car wrecks and hit&runs. For every person who says "Yeah, I drive/used to drive drunk but nothing happened" there's someone who didn't, and just because nobody died in that accident, there's insurance rates that went up, or a bar that got sued, or a dram-shop law that got passed or a roadblock law that wasn't struck down...because people kept saying "I can drive when I've had a few drinks!" Only focusing on the accidents where people died is wrong--it's the ones where people DIDN'T die that cause the problems. Those are the invisible accidents, because there are more of them and they lead to all the issues that you bemoan.


If it wasn't that people drive drunk and don't die, there'd be no profit in DUI arrests. And if states and cities did as you suggest, how do you think they'd enforce it? By arresting people driving to and from anywhere serving alcohol, and with checkpoints--just the same w ...


In a good system we don't HAVE to catch people.

That's the point. People don't, by and large, INSIST on driving drunk. They INSIST on drinking. The driving is what they have to do to get it done. If we made it drop dead easy to walk or train hop to a good bar, and really just a total pain in the ass to drive, DUI is not happening. No checkpoints needed.

That's what's wrong with American society. From the anti-smoking clowns to the mass shooters to the ligetimate rape people; the common theme is control. Everyone wants to have control over people they have no business controlling and the use the legal system like a great big club to beat everyone else down. It's disgusting. It's retarding the march of social progress. And, more than anything, it's time for a change.

Instead of "getting tough" with the effects, it's time to "get smart" with the cause. People only drink and drive because there's not enough self-driving cars, mass transit systems, or local bars to drink at. So let's get cracking on improving all three. Why? Because this is supposed to be a free society. Let's set each other free. All for one and one for all!
 
2013-09-19 12:25:10 AM

hardinparamedic: gfid: kwame: .08 is impaired. Period. Find something else to argue about.

Well, you've convinced me.

0.08 it is then.  No need to lower it to 0.05?

Oops, too late.  MADD is already fighting for that and has already succeeded in some places.

Just think - if the limit were 0.05 where this guy lived the headline could have said he was 7 times the legal limit.

You would probably think Europe is a bastion of Fascism then, considering in most EU countries, it's illegal to drive with anything above a 0.01, period.

And licenses are FAR more expensive, and far harder to obtain there than in the states.


Which explains their safer roads.

Of course, we shouldn't do that because drinking and poor driving is my vice.
 
2013-09-19 01:33:18 AM

doglover: Instead of "getting tough" with the effects, it's time to "get smart" with the cause. People only drink and drive because there's not enough self-driving cars, mass transit systems, or local bars to drink at. So let's get cracking on improving all three. Why? Because this is supposed to be a free society. Let's set each other free. All for one and one for all!


Oh sure, and when the self-driving cars start getting all hopped up on STP and 40-weight synthetic oil, then what will we do??? We'll be doomed, that's what!
 
2013-09-19 02:01:35 AM

Gyrfalcon: doglover: Instead of "getting tough" with the effects, it's time to "get smart" with the cause. People only drink and drive because there's not enough self-driving cars, mass transit systems, or local bars to drink at. So let's get cracking on improving all three. Why? Because this is supposed to be a free society. Let's set each other free. All for one and one for all!

Oh sure, and when the self-driving cars start getting all hopped up on STP and 40-weight synthetic oil, then what will we do??? We'll be doomed, that's what!


If we had self-driving cars the next gens doglover would complain about the lack of freedom to drive.

For any who do not believe it, pay attention in the next fark debate over manual vs automatic ;)
 
2013-09-19 02:21:07 AM

Smackledorfer: Gyrfalcon: doglover: Instead of "getting tough" with the effects, it's time to "get smart" with the cause. People only drink and drive because there's not enough self-driving cars, mass transit systems, or local bars to drink at. So let's get cracking on improving all three. Why? Because this is supposed to be a free society. Let's set each other free. All for one and one for all!

Oh sure, and when the self-driving cars start getting all hopped up on STP and 40-weight synthetic oil, then what will we do??? We'll be doomed, that's what!

If we had self-driving cars the next gens doglover would complain about the lack of freedom to drive.

For any who do not believe it, pay attention in the next fark debate over manual vs automatic ;)


It's not driving, it's Jonny Cabbing, but if I can sit in the back and pound road sodas legally, I'll take it.

Failing that give me red bull and a stick shift.

Automatic is the worst of both worlds.
 
2013-09-19 03:02:07 AM

hardinparamedic: gfid: kwame: .08 is impaired. Period. Find something else to argue about.

Well, you've convinced me.

0.08 it is then.  No need to lower it to 0.05?

Oops, too late.  MADD is already fighting for that and has already succeeded in some places.

Just think - if the limit were 0.05 where this guy lived the headline could have said he was 7 times the legal limit.

You would probably think Europe is a bastion of Fascism then, considering in most EU countries, it's illegal to drive with anything above a 0.01, period.

And licenses are FAR more expensive, and far harder to obtain there than in the states.


Citation needed on their 0.01 BAC limit.  Wikipedia suggests that while they are stricter than most of the US, there are only a couple that put the limit as low as you claim.

0.05 seems to be common.  A couple of countries have "zero" listed, but quite a few are at 0.05.  Just because I disagree with where the line is drawn doesn't mean their "fascist".  I disagree with some laws in the US as well.  It's 0.05 where I live.  I don't think I live in a fascist state.

I certainly don't agree with everything my state gov't. does though.

The world is not as black and white as you suggest.
 
2013-09-19 03:05:48 AM

gfid: hardinparamedic: gfid: kwame: .08 is impaired. Period. Find something else to argue about.

Well, you've convinced me.

0.08 it is then.  No need to lower it to 0.05?

Oops, too late.  MADD is already fighting for that and has already succeeded in some places.

Just think - if the limit were 0.05 where this guy lived the headline could have said he was 7 times the legal limit.

You would probably think Europe is a bastion of Fascism then, considering in most EU countries, it's illegal to drive with anything above a 0.01, period.

And licenses are FAR more expensive, and far harder to obtain there than in the states.

Citation needed on their 0.01 BAC limit.  Wikipedia suggests that while they are stricter than most of the US, there are only a couple that put the limit as low as you claim.

0.05 seems to be common.  A couple of countries have "zero" listed, but quite a few are at 0.05.  Just because I disagree with where the line is drawn doesn't mean their they're "fascist".  I disagree with some laws in the US as well.  It's 0.05 where I live.  I don't think I live in a fascist state.

I certainly don't agree with everything my state gov't. does though.

The world is not as black and white as you suggest.


FTFM, just to head off any grammar fascists.
 
2013-09-19 04:08:01 AM

Smackledorfer: gfid: Keys dude: All you DUI defenders -- let's hear you testify for the drunk guy who struck you or your car.

/crickets

I'm not defending DUI even though I think the limit is too low.

Can you defend anyone who causes an accident even if they are completely sober?

I know I can't.

Drinking and driving is deliberate.

Are you seriously equating deliberately operating while impaired with something like hitting a patch of black ice or missing a stop sign?


Unbelievable the apoligizers for dui on this site.


Driving while not paying attention or failing to control your vehicle is also deliberate.

I've hit "black ice" before and lost control.  I didn't learn to drive in snow country and while I thought I was doing a safe speed the results one morning (when I was completely sober) clearly showed that I wasn't.  I nearly did a complete 360, but stayed on the road and avoided collision, but I realize I was lucky and it could have been a lot worse.

A state trooper saw me do that too.  He didn't pull me over.  It was probably too cold and snowy for him to bother since there was no collision and I stayed on the road.  Or maybe he knew there were other people who weren't as lucky as me.  I learned a lesson and gained some experience.

I cannot defend myself for losing control that morning.  I consider myself lucky that nothing worse than being so scared I was still shaking 30 minutes later happened.

The only reason it's not treated more harshly is because "everybody" does it, but clearly "everybody" doesn't do it.  A lot of people do though and when your car is spinning and you find yourself facing cars that a moment before were behind you, you are in even less control than someone who has had a couple of drinks.

"Missing" a stop sign though is clearly a bullshiat excuse if the stop sign was posted properly and not obscured by trees or bushes.  It means you weren't paying attention and I would say that's much worse than me drinking 3 beers and then driving (which would put me over the limit here).

It's really hard to say though.  The BAC charts you see on the internet are all over the charts and so much depends not just on weight and number of drinks over time, but also on a ton of other factors.

If you think 0.05 is a reasonable limit that requires alcohol classes even before your court date to determine guilt or innocence, then let's see the same thing for people who run stop signs and stop lights.  For 0.08 here, you'll have to take classes and be subject to random testing (even if you're not driving) BEFORE your court date.  Well, that is if you aren't just willing to give up your license for a year or two.

Bring it on then.  People who ignore traffic control devices are at least as dangerous.  Have you ever seen the aftermath of someone running a stop light only to be nailed by a semi?  It's not pretty.

Run a stop sign?   Treat it as harshly as you would have someone who drinks 3 beers at a bar over 90 minutes and then drives.

I'm not saying this because I'm bitter about getting a DUI.  My record is clean.  I don't drive drunk and I don't run stop signs or red lights.

I am in favor of making it harder to get a license though and transferring a license from one state to another should not just be a matter of paperwork as it has been in my experience.

It's not just snow and ice either.  It's flash floods.  Some people think "Oh, there's a little water on the road" and then end up having to get rescued or worse having to have their dead bodies recovered by rescue crews.   It doesn't even have to be a flood.  Some people can't even drive safely in the rain.  Of course some people can't even drive safely when conditions are perfect.

I'm NOT defending drunk driving.  Clearly the guy in TFA was beyond any reasonable limit and clearly he was not in control of his vehicle.  He didn't just give that sheriff a "love tap".  He plowed into the back of his car and then had the audacity to tell him to f*ck off and try to drive away.

Throw the book at that guy.  He actually was a great danger to the general public, but don't try to equate what he did with someone who shares a bottle of wine over dinner with his wife and then calmly and safely drives home and obeys all traffic laws while paying close attention to other vehicles and pedestrians and traffic control devices.
 
2013-09-19 08:44:25 AM

doglover: That's the point. People don't, by and large, INSIST on driving drunk. They INSIST on drinking. The driving is what they have to do to get it done. If we made it drop dead easy to walk or train hop to a good bar, and really just a total pain in the ass to drive, DUI is not happening. No checkpoints needed.


That's weird.  Portland, Oregon has arguably the best public transportation system in the country, and a quick glance reveals a ton of DUI arrests just this month.  I thought free public transport would stop drunk driving?
 
2013-09-19 09:16:23 AM

kwame: doglover: That's the point. People don't, by and large, INSIST on driving drunk. They INSIST on drinking. The driving is what they have to do to get it done. If we made it drop dead easy to walk or train hop to a good bar, and really just a total pain in the ass to drive, DUI is not happening. No checkpoints needed.

That's weird.  Portland, Oregon has arguably the best public transportation system in the country, and a quick glance reveals a ton of DUI arrests just this month.  I thought free public transport would stop drunk driving?


It's multi-part thing. You don't just use the carrot, but the stick also. Make driving to bars a pain in the ass (ie very expensive or incredibly distant parking) and you'll see more train drunks. Not buses, though. Buses suck.

You also have to re-purpose police into societal protectors rather than predatory ticket issuers (no quotas, no tickets). America currently has the most inmates in the farking world, this despite violent crimes being at an all time low. Why? Because our police are hunters and the citizens are fat sacks of money waiting to trapped and devoured. End the quotas and watch ticket numbers drop.

And don't give me no bullshiat about "there's rules against quotas" The farkin' cops can't even obey the first ten amendments, several of which
apply directly to their job in no uncertain terms. Breaking the rules is cop SOP and has been since George Washington still had his original teeth. Every trooper ever interviewed anonymously or after switching careers talks about the quotas and the all the statistics support their existence. They have quotas, and that's appalling too.
 
2013-09-19 09:20:35 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: At that pint, why not?

/WTF are they going to do, arrest you?


The first pint, probably not. When you are on your 6th or 7th pint, probably so.
 
2013-09-19 09:22:19 AM
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2013-09-19 03:01:51 PM

doglover: Gyrfalcon: doglover: I never drank and dove. The one time or another I was too disoriented to be driving in my opinion was mostly from lack of sleep after long shifts at work. So I pulled off for red bull and a nap at rest areas and back on the road.

But I grew up in Western PA. There was no legal way to partake in alcohol at a bar without driving to and from the establishment. And a .08 is nothing. Much like the 21 drinking age, it's a cultural relic of Prohibition and the cult of demon rum. If we're going to be backwards and oppressive, let's at least make progress while doing it.

Instead of hunting for DUI in amoral entrapment schemes, let's ban liquor licences so all local businesses can sell booze as a bar, build more light rail, and ban driving to bars entirely. 0.00 BAC, like a vegas gun range. But the state loses money by not trying to treat its citizens as people no economic chattle. So my plan would never happen.
 The problem is that so many accidents are in fact caused by dumbasses who insist on driving drunk--not just fatalities, but fender-benders, injury accidents, single-car wrecks and hit&runs. For every person who says "Yeah, I drive/used to drive drunk but nothing happened" there's someone who didn't, and just because nobody died in that accident, there's insurance rates that went up, or a bar that got sued, or a dram-shop law that got passed or a roadblock law that wasn't struck down...because people kept saying "I can drive when I've had a few drinks!" Only focusing on the accidents where people died is wrong--it's the ones where people DIDN'T die that cause the problems. Those are the invisible accidents, because there are more of them and they lead to all the issues that you bemoan.


If it wasn't that people drive drunk and don't die, there'd be no profit in DUI arrests. And if states and cities did as you suggest, how do you think they'd enforce it? By arresting people driving to and from anywhere serving alcohol, and with checkpoints--just ...


No, people drive while drunk because they are prideful, stubborn, and/or delusional from the alcohol. Most insist, and often honestly believe, that they can drive home without a problem.  Still others actively REFUSE to take a cab home, because in their mind, taking a cab is a sign of weakness. Their pride will not allow them to admit that they have limits.

Provide them with public transit, and they will STILL insist on driving. I know this because I used to live in a city with both a late-night public transit system AND cabs. The parking lots of the bars downtown were FILLED to capacity every weekend, and I'd wager nearly all of them lived within 5 miles.
 
2013-09-19 03:10:01 PM

Loreweaver: Provide them with public transit, and they will STILL insist on driving.


A friend of mine had at one time served time because he absolutely LOVED to drive drunk. I mean it was his favorite pastime, he would get lit up like a Christmas tree after work every night and drive all over Chicago bouncing off of things. Yes, daily. He was also in the Navy as a corpsman and was an ER nurse so the cops knew him and would often look the other way. He managed to get 5 DUIs in spite of it, and finally the judge tossed him in jail for 18 months. Luckily he didn't hurt anyone. He's been on the wagon for almost 20 years now, and still talks about how much fun he had.
 
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