surrybee: how do you make a baby feel absolutely nothing?
Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: I know two guys who were circumcised as adults.They both LOVED it.
meat0918: And the same thing is happening with vaccination.
blatz514: How do I tell my wife that It really gets on my nerves when she nibbles on my foreskin?She thinks that I like it, but honestly, I just wish that I'd thrown it away after the circumcision.
Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Circumcision is like cutting off a baby's ears so that it won't have to deal with the hassle of washing behind them later in life.
Fafai: The only people who brought up FEMALE mutilation
Fafai: That is what we believe
cyberspacedout: I know an RN who works at a local hospital, has heard doctors talking parents into having this done, and he of course couldn't do anything about it.
Fafai: Relatively Obscure: Fafai: Simply calling it what it is (genital mutilation, as severing a part of someone's body IS mutilation just as the foreskin is a part of your genitals) doesn't mean we're equating the severity of the two practises, kind of like how an aircraft carrier and a tricycle can both be called vehicles, despite not being the same.Out of curiosity (not meant to pick any kind of fight, really), do you refer to ALL procedures where some part of the human body is removed as "mutilation" in general conversation? Like, appendectomies, amputations, etc? I mean, I don't, but I guess they'd qualify and I'm wondering if you use the term universally or just for select things.I use it for procedures that are done unnecessarily against the participant's will.
Boojum2k: RedPhoenix122: Man, I need more popcorn for this thread.Did you get the kind with cheese on it?
hardinparamedic: Jill'sNipple: I oppose genital mutilation for either sex, and never said the harmful effects were the same. Is that too murky for you? Or do you want to make more fake quotes and flag them with my name?Circumcision is not gential mutilation. It IS, however, a medical procedure done with the intent of decreasing the chance of STDs and UTI, decreasing the chance of complications of having a foreskin, and NOT done to prevent someone from having sex. The other is done with the express intent and purpose of mutilating and eliminating the ability for the female to have sex.It's not the same, even by the most remote attempt to make it such.
Argyle82: You have a list of favorite female fark posters on your bio.
hardinparamedic: jigger: But not the baby's.Until you find out a way to give a baby the ability to understand and give informed, express consent, no. Not the baby.
Fafai: You guys are just nitpicking now
Fafai: You mean besides the blood and tears and screaming? That you are cutting off a part of his dick shoving a steel spike into his arm should clue you in on whether he wants that to happen or not.
surrybee: I'm 100% opposed to infant circumcision without any clear medical indication. Do I really need to explain why? It's cosmetic surgery performed on an infant. I'm my son's guardian, not his owner. His penis, his choice. If he really wants his foreskin removed, I'll be happy to pay for it when he can weigh the pros and cons and make his own decision.The other pro-circ nonsense:-lowered risk of STDs. Studies have gone both ways. I don't have a link but there was a study done by the Navy that showed no correlation between circumcision and decreased STDs. Even if the Africa studies don't suffer from investigator bias, or other issues, which I believe they likely do, they fail to account for why Europe, with far lower circumcision rates, also have far lower STD rates than the US.
PunGent: The burden is on those proposing the operation to show that it's helpful, on average.
Fafai: I'll just end this by saying the majority of people who still do this to their kids are affiliated with religions that historically practised it, and the origins of the procedure are abhorrent. All this medical benefit nonsense came after the fact so that people could continue feeling good about their own Penises. the benefits dont make sense because babies dont have sex. it's all tradition/cosmetic and that is no reason to be slicing up infants.So, based on the definition of the word "majority", it's safe to assume that both my father and I could be inculded in that number? Neither of us have any religious affiliations and, to be perfectly honest, we (My wife and I) had our son circumsized on a purely aesthetic basis.PunGent: You DO understand doctors aren't required to report circumcision mortality, right?Best you're EVER going to get is an estimate, until you convince doctors to give up the info...until then, safest presumption is they've got something to hide.That's true of ANY profession, not just doctors, by the way...Cops withholding stats on brutality complaints? You bet there's a problem.
Relatively Obscure: Out of curiosity (not meant to pick any kind of fight, really), do you refer to ALL procedures where some part of the human body is removed as "mutilation" in general conversation? Like, appendectomies, amputations, etc?
Fafai: Simply calling it what it is (genital mutilation, as severing a part of someone's body IS mutilation just as the foreskin is a part of your genitals) doesn't mean we're equating the severity of the two practises, kind of like how an aircraft carrier and a tricycle can both be called vehicles, despite not being the same.
MaestroJ: Made beef stir fry through the whole thing. Sliced the red pepper only to find mold on the inside. Just onions for the vegetable.
Boojum2k: Did you get the kind with cheese on it?
Boojum2k: Quinsisdos: Shostie: This was a fun thread.I know, right? The fact a pro-circumcision lobby exists makes my farking skin crawl./Would rather suck on an uncut dick//Picked a guy with good dick hygeneHow many did you go through before finding the clean guy? Or did you just get lucky?
Argyle82: Jews will defend Jewish ways.
Argyle82: You're right, I'm a huge bigot, because I believe that If you're Jewish, you're more likely to conduct/make up research that supports your outdated religious ritual, to defend it.
Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: hardinparamedic: Says the person who made an account seven days ago, and who's name follows the exact same syntax as other, well known political thread trolls on FARK.You must have a pretty low opinion of Fark and its community if it's unthinkable that somebody new would sign up.
Argyle82: Nope, not being anti-Semitic at all. If you know anything about linguistics, you'll easily be able to determine which last names are more likely to be Jewish.If you're Jewish, you're more likely to conduct/make up research that supports your outdated religious ritual, to defend it. Just as if you're circumcised, you're more likely to try to defend it. It's human nature to be illogical to justify your being and your ways.
Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: You must have a pretty low opinion of Fark and its community if it's unthinkable that somebody new would sign up.
Fafai: Abox: FunkOut: radarlove: All I need to know is that uncut cocks look disgusting and I would never stick one in my mouth. Up my ass MAYBE, but only if I didn't see it beforehand.Cut cocks, on the other hand, are sexy as hell.Men's genitals are no good unless they have been surgically modified? Humans genetics says they're supposed to look a certain way.Well no, it could also mean that intact foreskin hasn't selected out because it's often lopped off in infancy. Like how bad vision hasn't selected out because we invented a tool to make it succeed.You can tell this is a valid argument by all those Swedish dudes who evolved cut cocks. Think I'll go get it snipped tomorrow.
Fafai: Ha ha, you sure told me! ...But sure, please call me whatever you like if it means you'll stop pulling the FGM ISN'T THE SAME broken record routine on people who never even hinted at any such thing in the first place./Why do you have such a hard-on for the pained tears of little baby boys?//I don't actually believe you do, just thought I'd try your debating style///you disingenuous twat
FunkOut: radarlove: All I need to know is that uncut cocks look disgusting and I would never stick one in my mouth. Up my ass MAYBE, but only if I didn't see it beforehand.Cut cocks, on the other hand, are sexy as hell.Men's genitals are no good unless they have been surgically modified? Humans genetics says they're supposed to look a certain way.
profplump: hardinparamedic: profplump: Vaccinations help children while they are still children. Circumcisions do not.[Citation Needed, you keep repeating that.]You keep claiming that they do. As far as I can tell the article related to this thread does not support that claim, nor have you provided any related evidence.
hardinparamedic: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: I don't even know who you're arguing with. I'm just stating the definitions of the two words I used to describe circumcision.If you disagree that they are apt, take it up with Merriam and Webster.Actually, I think it's your own personal definition.But no. Please, continue to BS us about "dictionary" definitions. You said something borderline offensive and ignorant of people who are victims of ACTUAL gential mutilation, and got called out on it.
super_grass: FunkOut: HIstorically, some regions did a female circumcision that was just the removal of the clitoral hood so the clitoral bud had no skin covering it. I can't imagine having such a sensitive area not having any protection. Like having your eyelid permanently rolled inside out.Clearly there's a disconnect in this thread. Some people are talking about removing a small piece of skin around the genitals while others are thinking of putting it through a lawnmower./ it keeps gunk from building up, which is probably the main benefit in the modern age
Abox: Circumcision just gives people with sexual problems something to blame.It's the 'it's whitey!! and 'it's the jooooooooos!!!' of sexual inadequacy.
Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Whatever, man. I get that you have a bug up your ass about female genital mutilation, having a congenital case of sandy vagina yourself, but nowhere did I even bring it up except for this post. If I wanted to be borderline offensive and ignorant, I would've said something like "In female genital mutilation's defense, sewing up an eight-year-old's vagina and cutting off her clitoris is probably going to prevent some STDs down the line too, so it should be up to the parents to decide."
jigger: Europe must be awash with diseased penis. But then again, they don't use soap.
jigger: That's why it's ok to rape babies.
profplump: hardinparamedic: It should be the parents personal choice.Is there some reason it can't be the post-pubecent male's own choice? Exactly what 7-year-olds need protection from STDs?
thisisyourbrainonFark: I was circumcised. I got over it./so will my daughter
HairBolus: Step 1 in cutting down on clutter in circumcision debate: Ignore any pro-circumcision author with a Jewish sounding last name.(likewise for debate over nosejobs)
super_grass: In b4 comparisons with female circumcision.
I want your skull: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Circumcision is like cutting off a baby's ears so that it won't have to deal with the hassle of washing behind them later in life.Except instead of funneling sound to your earhole, foreskin funnels diseases to your peehole?
HotWingConspiracy: Argyle82: NEPAman: The author sounds circumcised.This.Keep defending your parents archaic decision when you were born, author. Whatever helps you sleep at night, buddy.Why is it so hard for you foreskinists to accept that people really don't give a fark?
CruJones: Circumsized and totally ok with it. Plus the ole lady prefers it.Plus my "performance" is probably better, I don't need more sensitive skin, I'd last like two minutes.
Kazan: Oh look.... he's citing studies that have already been debunked.NEXT bullshiat artist.
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