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(Salon)   "On my vacation I saw a guy with weird hair and boy this Syria thing is a tough egg to crack, by Thomas Friedman, world's most influential columnist, age six"   (salon.com) divider line 46
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2013-09-18 04:59:27 PM  
Salon, for linking and loudly complaining about two terrible articles that I would not have known about otherwise.
 
2013-09-18 05:00:37 PM  
It's almost pointless to mock Friedman anymore because it has been done so savagely, thoroughly, and regularly there isn't even much left to say. He's a bad writer and his ideas are bad. Always and forever.
 
2013-09-18 05:01:34 PM  
You know, I enjoyed The Lexus and the Olive Branch, but Friendman's constant 'While I was traveling in place X I met person Y and we discussed topic Z, which made me think about A,B, and C' does get really annoying.
 
2013-09-18 05:05:57 PM  

odinsposse: It's almost pointless to mock Friedman anymore because it has been done so savagely, thoroughly, and regularly there isn't even much left to say. He's a bad writer and his ideas are bad. Always and forever.


I sometimes (ok ... never) wonder what color of the sky is in Friedman's world.  Its not the same as anyone else's.
 
2013-09-18 05:07:51 PM  
DRTFA, but was the Thomas Friedman Column Generator mentioned?

http://thomasfriedmanopedgenerator.com/about.php
 
2013-09-18 05:09:14 PM  
No thread on Thomas Friedman is complete without posting at least one of Matt Taibbi's savage critiques of him. For the lulz.

Friedman is concentrated lollerskates in an economist's body with literary merit equivalent to 14 year old pronoun poetry.
 
2013-09-18 05:11:42 PM  
I liked the optimism in The World Is Flat. What I didn't like was how he downplayed if not ignored the collateral damage.
 
2013-09-18 05:12:48 PM  

gingerjet: odinsposse: It's almost pointless to mock Friedman anymore because it has been done so savagely, thoroughly, and regularly there isn't even much left to say. He's a bad writer and his ideas are bad. Always and forever.

I sometimes (ok ... never) wonder what color of the sky is in Friedman's world.  Its not the same as anyone else's.


It matches whatever color socks he's wearing that day.
 
2013-09-18 05:14:54 PM  

Ishkur: No thread on Thomas Friedman is complete without posting at least one of Matt Taibbi's savage critiques of him. For the lulz.

Friedman is concentrated lollerskates in an economist's body with literary merit equivalent to 14 year old pronoun poetry.


Sad isn't it? A three time pulitzer prize winner is dumber than your average Farker and internet columnist.
 
2013-09-18 05:20:06 PM  

super_grass: Sad isn't it? A three time pulitzer prize winner is dumber than your average Farker and internet columnist.


Friedman's literary mastery at work:

"I stomped off, went through security, bought a Cinnabon, and glumly sat at the back of the B line, waiting to be herded on board so that I could hunt for space in the overhead bins."

Forget the Cinnabon. Name me a herd animal that hunts. Name me one.
 
2013-09-18 05:21:39 PM  

Ishkur: super_grass: Sad isn't it? A three time pulitzer prize winner is dumber than your average Farker and internet columnist.

Friedman's literary mastery at work:

"I stomped off, went through security, bought a Cinnabon, and glumly sat at the back of the B line, waiting to be herded on board so that I could hunt for space in the overhead bins."

Forget the Cinnabon. Name me a herd animal that hunts. Name me one.


Mixed metaphors FTW.
 
2013-09-18 05:23:43 PM  

Ishkur: Forget the Cinnabon. Name me a herd animal that hunts. Name me one.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd#Human_parallels
 
2013-09-18 05:25:23 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: DRTFA, but was the Thomas Friedman Column Generator mentioned?

http://thomasfriedmanopedgenerator.com/about.php


That is one of the funniest things I have seen in some time.
 
2013-09-18 05:27:30 PM  
Paging Mark Taibi
He did a critic of one of Friedmans books a while back that should have ended all mention of this guy's attempts at writing
 
2013-09-18 05:28:15 PM  

Ishkur: super_grass: Sad isn't it? A three time pulitzer prize winner is dumber than your average Farker and internet columnist.

Friedman's literary mastery at work:

"I stomped off, went through security, bought a Cinnabon, and glumly sat at the back of the B line, waiting to be herded on board so that I could hunt for space in the overhead bins."

Forget the Cinnabon. Name me a herd animal that hunts. Name me one.


Wolves.
 
2013-09-18 05:31:30 PM  
Alex Pareene is determined to elevate journalism.
 
2013-09-18 05:36:11 PM  

gingerjet: odinsposse: It's almost pointless to mock Friedman anymore because it has been done so savagely, thoroughly, and regularly there isn't even much left to say. He's a bad writer and his ideas are bad. Always and forever.

I sometimes (ok ... never) wonder what color of the sky is in Friedman's world.  Its not the same as anyone else's.


I wonder what's the color of the tile in his foyer.

www.americanthinker.com
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2013-09-18 05:36:52 PM  

odinsposse: Wolves.


Pack animals don't herd.
 
2013-09-18 05:41:00 PM  

Ishkur: super_grass: Sad isn't it? A three time pulitzer prize winner is dumber than your average Farker and internet columnist.

Friedman's literary mastery at work:

"I stomped off, went through security, bought a Cinnabon, and glumly sat at the back of the B line, waiting to be herded on board so that I could hunt for space in the overhead bins."

Forget the Cinnabon. Name me a herd animal that hunts. Name me one.


Lions. Wolves. I suppose it depends on how loosely you want to define "herd."
 
2013-09-18 05:43:42 PM  

Ishkur: odinsposse: Wolves.

Pack animals don't herd.


It's only a difference of semantics. We call a group of predators a "pack" and a group of prey a "herd" but there is little real difference in what they are doing.
 
2013-09-18 05:44:02 PM  

LoneWolf343: Ishkur: super_grass: Sad isn't it? A three time pulitzer prize winner is dumber than your average Farker and internet columnist.

Friedman's literary mastery at work:

"I stomped off, went through security, bought a Cinnabon, and glumly sat at the back of the B line, waiting to be herded on board so that I could hunt for space in the overhead bins."

Forget the Cinnabon. Name me a herd animal that hunts. Name me one.

Lions. Wolves. I suppose it depends on how loosely you want to define "herd."


The man lack of biology knowledge reflects poorly as a economic and political commentator. That was the point.
 
2013-09-18 05:51:31 PM  
Friedman Unit:

"The next six months in Iraq-which will determine the prospects for democracy-building there-are the most important six months in U.S. foreign policy in a long, long time."
(New York Times, 11/30/03)

"What we're gonna find out, Bob, in the next six to nine months is whether we have liberated a country or uncorked a civil war."
(CBS's Face the Nation, 10/3/04)

"I think we're in a six-month window here where it's going to become very clear and this is all going to pre-empt I think the next congressional election-that's my own feeling- let alone the presidential one."
(NBC's Meet the Press, 9/25/05)

"I think we are in the end game. The next six to nine months are going to tell whether we can produce a decent outcome in Iraq."
(NBC's Today, 3/2/06)

"Well, I think that we're going to find out, Chris, in the next year to six months-probably sooner-whether a decent outcome is possible there, and I think we're going to have to just let this play out."
(MSNBC's Hardball, 5/11/06)

http://fair.org/take-action/media-advisories/tom-friedmans-flexible- de adlines/
 
2013-09-18 05:53:51 PM  

odinsposse: It's only a difference of semantics.


No it's not. Herd animals are exclusively herbivore and do NOT hunt. Moreover, their herd instinct is a DELIBERATE DEFENSE MECHANISM against predators. They coalesce together into a large mass to protect their young and their weakest members and they move together in unison, as one seething mass, just like schools of fish or swarms of insects. There's strength in numbers. That's how they survive.

Pack animals are exclusively carnivore and they work together, cooperatively, specifically TO HUNT. They plan tactics and strategies, and each individual has a role that ensures the hunt is successful which is the exact antithesis of what herd mentality is!

I can't believe you idiots are arguing about this.
 
2013-09-18 05:57:45 PM  
Holy shiat, that's the actual quote.  And I was about to ream Subby for misusing quotation marks
 
2013-09-18 06:00:11 PM  

Ishkur: I can't believe you idiots are arguing about this.


And it sounds like you have never heard of a pack of horses hunting down and killing a bale of hay.
 
2013-09-18 06:04:14 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: DRTFA, but was the Thomas Friedman Column Generator mentioned?

http://thomasfriedmanopedgenerator.com/about.php


...

I love you.
 
2013-09-18 06:45:34 PM  
images1.dailykos.com
 
2013-09-18 06:53:40 PM  
A Friedman column is similar in structure to the underpants gnome economic plan and about as coherent.
 
2013-09-18 07:11:28 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: DRTFA, but was the Thomas Friedman Column Generator mentioned?

http://thomasfriedmanopedgenerator.com/about.php


That was prolly one of the posts of the year. That was ridiculous.

And Friedman is an overrated, overhyped, no-nothing, smug Mr. "Know it All" who has no clue when to shut his trap.

The  Lexus book and that patently ridiculous on its face  The World is Flat were two books that, upon reading the first paragraph, I knew, were absolute shiate.
 
2013-09-18 07:27:10 PM  

odinsposse: It's almost pointless to mock Friedman anymore because it has been done so savagely, thoroughly, and regularly there isn't even much left to say. He's a bad writer and his ideas are bad. Always and forever.


The Times still publishes his columns, so obviously he hasn't been mocked enough.
 
2013-09-18 07:49:09 PM  

Ishkur: odinsposse: It's only a difference of semantics.

No it's not. Herd animals are exclusively herbivore and do NOT hunt. Moreover, their herd instinct is a DELIBERATE DEFENSE MECHANISM against predators. They coalesce together into a large mass to protect their young and their weakest members and they move together in unison, as one seething mass, just like schools of fish or swarms of insects. There's strength in numbers. That's how they survive.

Pack animals are exclusively carnivore and they work together, cooperatively, specifically TO HUNT. They plan tactics and strategies, and each individual has a role that ensures the hunt is successful which is the exact antithesis of what herd mentality is!

I can't believe you idiots are arguing about this.


Fine. My answer, then, is piranhas.
 
2013-09-18 07:49:12 PM  
Paul Krugman and Thomas Edsell are the only reason to read the NY Times OP ed page any more. David Brooks and Ross Douthat are even more disingenous than Friedman. Maureen Dowd's contrarian act has worn very thin. She should have been in the movie Mean Girls. Frank Bruni is well meaning but useless. Man, I miss Frank Rich on sundays.
 
2013-09-18 08:04:51 PM  

super_grass: LoneWolf343: Ishkur: super_grass: Sad isn't it? A three time pulitzer prize winner is dumber than your average Farker and internet columnist.

Friedman's literary mastery at work:

"I stomped off, went through security, bought a Cinnabon, and glumly sat at the back of the B line, waiting to be herded on board so that I could hunt for space in the overhead bins."

Forget the Cinnabon. Name me a herd animal that hunts. Name me one.

Lions. Wolves. I suppose it depends on how loosely you want to define "herd."

The man lack of biology knowledge reflects poorly as a economic and political commentator. That was the point.


I think the point was the mixed metaphor. You have to admit that it is a terrible sentence.
 
2013-09-18 08:23:59 PM  

LoneWolf343: Ishkur: super_grass: Sad isn't it? A three time pulitzer prize winner is dumber than your average Farker and internet columnist.

Friedman's literary mastery at work:

"I stomped off, went through security, bought a Cinnabon, and glumly sat at the back of the B line, waiting to be herded on board so that I could hunt for space in the overhead bins."

Forget the Cinnabon. Name me a herd animal that hunts. Name me one.

Lions. Wolves. I suppose it depends on how loosely you want to define "herd."


Regardless of the flexibility in the word herd, the metaphor is still mixed as hell.  When you picture being "herded on board," that's not wolves or lions.  That's ruminants of some sort.  They don't do a lot of hunting.
 
2013-09-18 08:25:39 PM  

LoneWolf343: [...]

I think the point was the mixed metaphor. You have to admit that it is a terrible sentence.


Apparently I should read further in the thread before replying. :-/
 
2013-09-18 08:58:42 PM  

HeartBurnKid: odinsposse: It's almost pointless to mock Friedman anymore because it has been done so savagely, thoroughly, and regularly there isn't even much left to say. He's a bad writer and his ideas are bad. Always and forever.

The Times still publishes his columns, so obviously he hasn't been mocked enough.


And he isn't even their worst. Dowd and Brooks are terrible too, but that distinction goes to Ross Douthat, the guy who blamed the Catholic church's child-molestation on liberalism.
 
2013-09-18 09:00:03 PM  

Abner Doon: LoneWolf343: [...]

I think the point was the mixed metaphor. You have to admit that it is a terrible sentence.

Apparently I should read further in the thread before replying. :-/


I don't read whole threads all of the time.
 
2013-09-18 09:00:50 PM  

Abner Doon: LoneWolf343: Ishkur: super_grass: Sad isn't it? A three time pulitzer prize winner is dumber than your average Farker and internet columnist.

Friedman's literary mastery at work:

"I stomped off, went through security, bought a Cinnabon, and glumly sat at the back of the B line, waiting to be herded on board so that I could hunt for space in the overhead bins."

Forget the Cinnabon. Name me a herd animal that hunts. Name me one.

Lions. Wolves. I suppose it depends on how loosely you want to define "herd."

Regardless of the flexibility in the word herd, the metaphor is still mixed as hell.  When you picture being "herded on board," that's not wolves or lions.  That's ruminants of some sort.  They don't do a lot of hunting.


It's also in passive voice.
 
2013-09-18 09:12:31 PM  

Karl LaFong: gingerjet: odinsposse: It's almost pointless to mock Friedman anymore because it has been done so savagely, thoroughly, and regularly there isn't even much left to say. He's a bad writer and his ideas are bad. Always and forever.

I sometimes (ok ... never) wonder what color of the sky is in Friedman's world.  Its not the same as anyone else's.

It matches whatever color socks he's wearing that day.


The problem is, usually his socks don't match each other.
 
2013-09-18 09:33:01 PM  
 
2013-09-18 09:40:03 PM  
Syria is way too hard of an issue to take on.... lets go after American gun owners !!
 
2013-09-18 09:43:48 PM  

dsmith42: Friedman Unit:

"The next six months in Iraq-which will determine the prospects for democracy-building there-are the most important six months in U.S. foreign policy in a long, long time."
(New York Times, 11/30/03)

"What we're gonna find out, Bob, in the next six to nine months is whether we have liberated a country or uncorked a civil war."
(CBS's Face the Nation, 10/3/04)

"I think we're in a six-month window here where it's going to become very clear and this is all going to pre-empt I think the next congressional election-that's my own feeling- let alone the presidential one."
(NBC's Meet the Press, 9/25/05)

"I think we are in the end game. The next six to nine months are going to tell whether we can produce a decent outcome in Iraq."
(NBC's Today, 3/2/06)

"Well, I think that we're going to find out, Chris, in the next year to six months-probably sooner-whether a decent outcome is possible there, and I think we're going to have to just let this play out."
(MSNBC's Hardball, 5/11/06)

http://fair.org/take-action/media-advisories/tom-friedmans-flexible- de adlines/


You can't say he's not consistent.

/...ly wrong
 
2013-09-18 09:58:27 PM  

steve_s: Paul Krugman and Thomas Edsell are the only reason to read the NY Times OP ed page any more. David Brooks and Ross Douthat are even more disingenous than Friedman. Maureen Dowd's contrarian act has worn very thin. She should have been in the movie Mean Girls. Frank Bruni is well meaning but useless. Man, I miss Frank Rich on sundays.


Brooks is fine. He is one of the few Republicans saying who the crazy ones are.
 
2013-09-18 09:59:39 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: dsmith42: Friedman Unit:

"The next six months in Iraq-which will determine the prospects for democracy-building there-are the most important six months in U.S. foreign policy in a long, long time."
(New York Times, 11/30/03)

"What we're gonna find out, Bob, in the next six to nine months is whether we have liberated a country or uncorked a civil war."
(CBS's Face the Nation, 10/3/04)

"I think we're in a six-month window here where it's going to become very clear and this is all going to pre-empt I think the next congressional election-that's my own feeling- let alone the presidential one."
(NBC's Meet the Press, 9/25/05)

"I think we are in the end game. The next six to nine months are going to tell whether we can produce a decent outcome in Iraq."
(NBC's Today, 3/2/06)

"Well, I think that we're going to find out, Chris, in the next year to six months-probably sooner-whether a decent outcome is possible there, and I think we're going to have to just let this play out."
(MSNBC's Hardball, 5/11/06)

http://fair.org/take-action/media-advisories/tom-friedmans-flexible- de adlines/

You can't say he's not consistent.

/...ly wrong


Eh, give 'em six months.
 
2013-09-19 08:41:07 AM  

Mentat: Thomas Friedman Clogged My Toilet


Bless you, sir or madam, I nearly suffered my own bout of fluxux ventris from laughter!
 
2013-09-19 08:44:45 AM  
I'll give The Fried Man a pass on the herd/hunt mixed metaphor. It's not like human air travel is a natural phenomenon anyway.

I'm less willing to forgive the use of a prominent media pulpit for Rooneyesque whining about Cinnabon.
 
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