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(CNN)   A man who admitted he wanted to kill and eat children and turned his basement into a soundproof dungeon containing a child coffin, handcuffs and a deluxe butcher set is going to be set free someday   (cnn.com) divider line 115
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2013-09-18 04:48:11 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: GanjSmokr: SuperNinjaToad: GanjSmokr: James!: Did he eat a child?

Exactly.  Are we being punished for things we want to do but haven't actually done?

/to be clear, I'm officially against killing and eating children.

Do you feel comfortable him being your neighbor?

If I didn't know about his thoughts to kill and eat children and his penchant for child porn?  Sure.

If I did know about those things, I'd probably turn him in though.

It was more than just thoughts.. dude had massive collection of child porn and cannibalistic type reading materials. Also had the infrastructure built i.e dungeon etc.


Again, I'm perfectly fine with him being jailed for possession of the child porn.  I would not be OK with jailing him for thinking about something and not acting on it.  Were any of the items/infrastructure (other than the child porn) illegal?

Should people be jailed for thinking about murder or rape?  What if I have a ball gag and handcuffs in my dresser drawer?  Obvious rape tools or just a fun Saturday night?

/not saying I think about murder or rape
//nor am I saying that I have a ball gag and handcuffs in my dresser drawer
 
2013-09-18 04:48:22 PM  

James!: Did he eat a child?


Thankfully, no. Are you seriously suggesting we wait until a child gets tortured and eaten before we do anything about it? I prefer to be proactive and prevent suffering rather than react to it all too late. This guy wasn't just talking about committing crimes, he had taken steps in order to do so and admitted to plotting to do it. Crying thought-crime here makes you look a little short sighted.

/meh, call me when someone's son is actually murdered and raped. Before that we should not be infringing on the freedoms to build dungeons and plotting the murder of children.
 
2013-09-18 04:48:32 PM  
Ugh...I can't even...

Yes...my logical brain is saying the punishment is fair since no murder/rape/cannibalism took place. My gut feeling though is to give him the needle because there is no fixing this rabid dog. Ever.
 
2013-09-18 04:50:18 PM  

GanjSmokr: The Onion is prophetic: GanjSmokr: James!: Did he eat a child?

Exactly.  Are we being punished for things we want to do but haven't actually done?

/to be clear, I'm officially against killing and eating children.

From what I gather, the solicitation to commit violence (chatting about eating children) was a misdemeanor.  He got the 26 years in prison for possessing thousands of child porn pics.

But the media likes to make it sound like he got 26 years for talking about eating children and setting up a dungeon, because ratings.

And I'm fine with pedos being locked up for what they have done.  He will most likely be shown early on exactly how highly pedos are thought of in prison.  I just don't want to see us start thinking about tacking on life sentences for thought crimes.  And I know that nobody was really suggesting that.  At least I don't think they were...


Yeah, but why should we get to pay. Maybe you sadistic punishment fetishists should pay a sin tax, like smokers.
 
2013-09-18 04:52:05 PM  

Bslim: GanjSmokr: The Onion is prophetic: GanjSmokr: James!: Did he eat a child?

Exactly.  Are we being punished for things we want to do but haven't actually done?

/to be clear, I'm officially against killing and eating children.

From what I gather, the solicitation to commit violence (chatting about eating children) was a misdemeanor.  He got the 26 years in prison for possessing thousands of child porn pics.

But the media likes to make it sound like he got 26 years for talking about eating children and setting up a dungeon, because ratings.

And I'm fine with pedos being locked up for what they have done.  He will most likely be shown early on exactly how highly pedos are thought of in prison.  I just don't want to see us start thinking about tacking on life sentences for thought crimes.  And I know that nobody was really suggesting that.  At least I don't think they were...

Yeah, but why should we get to pay. Maybe you sadistic punishment fetishists should pay a sin tax, like smokers.


Oops, reading fail. YOU are not one of the fetishists.
 
2013-09-18 04:52:16 PM  
going to be set free someday

Hopefully to a hail of gunfire.


/for the kiddie pr0n, not the thoughtcrime.
//Although that is some creepy thoughtcrime...
 
2013-09-18 04:54:23 PM  

Zul the Magnificent: Although that is some creepy thoughtcrime...


If you conspire with others to commit a crime and purchase the instruments/build the mechanisms to commit it, your thoughtcrime argument gets laughed at in court.
 
2013-09-18 04:54:31 PM  
Weird how we have nambla pedos and then we have this guy. The pedo spectrum must be disturbingly wide.
 
2013-09-18 04:54:35 PM  
Should people be jailed for thinking about murder or rape?  What if I have a ball gag and handcuffs in my dresser drawer?  Obvious rape tools or just a fun Saturday night?

/not saying I think about murder or rape
//nor am I saying that I have a ball gag and handcuffs in my dresser drawer


World of difference between having kinks and conspiring to commit murder.
 
2013-09-18 04:55:29 PM  
Well I guess we need to free all the terrorists we've locked up, because they've only planned to commit acts of terror. I mean, planning to do something doesn't mean they've actually done anything wrong.
 
2013-09-18 04:56:10 PM  

CleanAndPure: James!: Did he eat a child?

His house was full of child pornography...that is illegal by itself.


Which is why he's going to jail, but a life sentence would be pretty harsh for having kiddie porn.
 
2013-09-18 04:56:28 PM  

Coconice: This guy is huge creepy.  However, 26 years kind of sounds like a long damn time for having and distributing child porn.  I would think the largest sentences would be reserved for people making child porn.


Arizona law requires a minimum 10 year sentence for possession of child porn.  For each picture.  Mandatory consecutive.  Flat time.  Which means, if you're caught with 10 pics of kiddie porn, and lose at trial, you're looking at an absolute minimum of 100 years in prison with no parole or early release.  In other words, a life sentence.

The appellate courts have upheld this law because they say that the act of looking at the pictures re-victimizes the child every time it is viewed, and those who download it are contributing to the industry, because without people who download it, there would be no demand, and therefore it wouldn't be created.  Whether or not that's true may be up for debate, but it's well-established Arizona case law, and the US Supreme Court has not interfered or commented on it (that I know of).  It's kind of excessive when you consider that there's no opportunity for treatment, but from what I've seen, they're usually pled down 10 years in prison and lifetime probation.  Unless they reject the plea and go to trial knowing what's hanging over their heads.

Making child porn can get you mandatory life sentences, depending on how it's charged, on top of the hundreds of years in prison you'd get for possessing what you created.  Those instances, though I haven't seen any where I work, likely wouldn't get pled down.
 
2013-09-18 04:56:34 PM  
You know, I'm usually in the same category as some of you Farkers, and think that going to jail for a thought crime is a Bad Idea. But, now, as a father of a toddler, all I can think of is that this guy should be thrown into a dark hole in the ground and fed nothing but human waste for the remainder of his days. The CP alone would make me feel he should just be locked up in solitary for a very long time. But talking about, and preparing, to kidnap, rape, kill, and eat children? No. Just no. That's not a "Thought Crime". That is some serious, SERIOUS shiat. Anyone fantasizing, talking about, and preparing to do such a thing should be left to rot in the hole I talked about. It's all fine when you guys can say "Oh well we are imprisoning him for THOUGHT CRIME!". But, if he wasn't caught, then we would be in a different thread, 6 months from now, talking about the sicko cannibal who raped and murdered kids in his kill-dungeon.

I hope his ass is put in Gen-Pop for just ONE day...

There is no rehabilitating mentally defective animals like this. I'm not bleeding heart enough to think they can be fixed. Only solution is to make them permanently disappear.
 
2013-09-18 04:56:50 PM  

Dimensio: DocTravesty: All those photos... it's the kind of evidence you'd expect to find in a movie or something.  I mean, it seriously looks like he was framed by a B-move director or something.  Castrating tools, murder dungeon, butchery set...

... and then the last photo is of a router and a bottle of Clorox.

I store a bottle of store-brand bleach in my apartment. Does this mean that I am less of a threat to the public than is Mr. Portway, or am I an even greater threat?


I don't know about being a threat, but using store brands makes you cheap and unprepared.  Don't you know you could leave evidence around if you don't clean up your crime scenes properly?
 
2013-09-18 04:57:17 PM  
This sicko should be locked up for a long time.  I mean, come on!  A grown man and the blu ray ultimate edition of 'Legend'???

i141.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-18 04:58:11 PM  

Cagey B: 1. The dude is set to begin a 26 year prison sentence.
2. If he survives being a creepy pedo in prison, which he probably won't, he'll be under lifetime supervision.
3. You can't imprison someone for a crime (in this case murder and a whole lot of other nasty stuff) that they might do.


i43.tinypic.com
 
2013-09-18 04:59:14 PM  

machoprogrammer: Dimensio: DocTravesty: All those photos... it's the kind of evidence you'd expect to find in a movie or something.  I mean, it seriously looks like he was framed by a B-move director or something.  Castrating tools, murder dungeon, butchery set...

... and then the last photo is of a router and a bottle of Clorox.

I store a bottle of store-brand bleach in my apartment. Does this mean that I am less of a threat to the public than is Mr. Portway, or am I an even greater threat?

Do you also have frozen chicken?


Yes. I even plan to purchase more on Friday.

/Also store brand.
//Cheapskate.
 
2013-09-18 04:59:18 PM  

debug: a life sentence would be pretty harsh for having kiddie porn.


He was distributing as well, execution wouldn't be harsh enough.
 
2013-09-18 05:00:17 PM  

Sim Tree: Cupcakes?


No, sexy cakes.

www.thebraiser.com
 
2013-09-18 05:00:22 PM  

blatz514: He didn't have a basement.  And only liked the taste of teens.

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That photo is appropriate because there is no way this dude survives 26 years in the pen.  He'll be a target from day one.
 
2013-09-18 05:01:21 PM  

GanjSmokr: SuperNinjaToad: GanjSmokr: SuperNinjaToad: GanjSmokr: James!: Did he eat a child?

Exactly.  Are we being punished for things we want to do but haven't actually done?

/to be clear, I'm officially against killing and eating children.

Do you feel comfortable him being your neighbor?

If I didn't know about his thoughts to kill and eat children and his penchant for child porn?  Sure.

If I did know about those things, I'd probably turn him in though.

It was more than just thoughts.. dude had massive collection of child porn and cannibalistic type reading materials. Also had the infrastructure built i.e dungeon etc.

Again, I'm perfectly fine with him being jailed for possession of the child porn.  I would not be OK with jailing him for thinking about something and not acting on it.  Were any of the items/infrastructure (other than the child porn) illegal?

Should people be jailed for thinking about murder or rape?  What if I have a ball gag and handcuffs in my dresser drawer?  Obvious rape tools or just a fun Saturday night?

/not saying I think about murder or rape
//nor am I saying that I have a ball gag and handcuffs in my dresser drawer


Thinking about, or having thoughts, of killing that guy who cut you off in traffic, or thinking "Ugh I wish my damn ex wife was dead", is just a thought.

Communicating with another pervert psycho, and planning with him, to DO THE DEED would be the equivalent, I think, of going to a hit man and talking about getting someone whacked.  When you talk about and plan and prepare for the deed, then you cross the line.
 
2013-09-18 05:01:42 PM  
One can only hope his cellmates get rid of him...they have 26 years to try
 
2013-09-18 05:04:21 PM  

Fafai: Should people be jailed for thinking about murder or rape?  What if I have a ball gag and handcuffs in my dresser drawer?  Obvious rape tools or just a fun Saturday night?

/not saying I think about murder or rape
//nor am I saying that I have a ball gag and handcuffs in my dresser drawer

World of difference between having kinks and conspiring to commit murder.


userserve-ak.last.fm
 
2013-09-18 05:05:48 PM  
He'll be locked up for a long time, and then likely deported back to England, so he'll be their problem.
 
2013-09-18 05:06:14 PM  

debug: CleanAndPure: James!: Did he eat a child?

His house was full of child pornography...that is illegal by itself.

Which is why he's going to jail, but a life sentence would be pretty harsh for having kiddie porn.



Yea, it's not like anybody got hurt, right?
 
2013-09-18 05:06:31 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Oh Hai! What's goin' on in here?


David Lee Roth?  In MY cannibal thread?
 
2013-09-18 05:11:27 PM  

debug: CleanAndPure: James!: Did he eat a child?

His house was full of child pornography...that is illegal by itself.

Which is why he's going to jail, but a life sentence would be pretty harsh for having kiddie porn.


Officially "conspiracy" is a federal crime.   He actually "conspired" with 2 other individuals (also found with kiddyporn and"go bags") and had actually set a date (play date!) to kidnap some kids and check off some things from their dream list: torture, rape, castrate, kill....eventually and then promptly eat.  One child, three full grown fat 4channers and thats dinner right there.  Planning to do such a thing with others and with evidence to suggest you actually intend to pull it off is actually a crime.  A federal one I believe.

At this point and time I would like to publicly say "THANK YOU NSA!!!" for monitoring our forums and chatrooms.  Stick to busting shiat like this instead of stoners and misdemeaner shiat and we will have no problem with you.

/Some people are saying "first they came for the cannibalistic murdering kiddy diddlers and you did not speak up!"  Seriously?
 
2013-09-18 05:13:03 PM  

trappedspirit: This sicko should be locked up for a long time.  I mean, come on!  A grown man and the blu ray ultimate edition of 'Legend'???

[i141.photobucket.com image 640x444]


What, no Eating Raoul??

4.bp.blogspot.com

CLANG!!!
 
2013-09-18 05:13:25 PM  

orclover: A federal one I believe.


Can be state or federal.
 
2013-09-18 05:20:37 PM  

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Free advertising?


Hey is that Cutco?

I've found those are best for dismembering bodies and that life time guarantee is great when a bone dulls or chips a knife.
 
2013-09-18 05:21:08 PM  
That "coffin" has speakers in it.

It's not meant to hold a body. It's meant to be a sensory deprivation chamber where he can pipe in whatever sound he wanted to the person who was inside it while they were trapped.

I've seen adult sized versions of them in BDSM rooms, but they almost always had some way of accessing erogenous zones, or some way of checking on the welfare of the person inside. But nothing like this. Christ.

What a sadistic, sick fark.
 
2013-09-18 05:22:11 PM  

Bathysphere: Weird how we have nambla pedos and then we have this guy. The pedo spectrum must be disturbingly wide.


I read this as speculum.

/ashamed
//a little
 
2013-09-18 05:25:16 PM  

Bathysphere: Weird how we have nambla pedos and then we have this guy. The pedo spectrum must be disturbingly wide.


This guy is not a typical pedophile. Chances are his pathological paraphilias and pathological sexual sadism added onto that.

To us normal folks, Pedophiles do horrific things to children, but to them they don't view it as hurting a child. In fact, a typical pedophile alone will NOT try to do anything they view as "harming a child". They don't usually kill their victims, they intimidate and manipulate their victims into silence and complacency.
 
2013-09-18 05:26:28 PM  

The Onion is prophetic: Coconice:

This guy is huge creepy.  However, 26 years kind of sounds like a long damn time for having and distributing child porn.  I would think the largest sentences would be reserved for people making child porn.

Arizona law requires a minimum 10 year sentence for possession of child porn.  For each picture.  Mandatory consecutive.  Flat time.  Which means, if you're caught with 10 pics of kiddie porn, and lose at trial, you're looking at an absolute minimum of 100 years in prison with no parole or early release.  In other words, a life sentence.

The appellate courts have upheld this law because they say that the act of looking at the pictures re-victimizes the child every time it is viewed, and those who download it are contributing to the industry, because without people who download it, there would be no demand, and therefore it wouldn't be created.  Whether or not that's true may be up for debate, but it's well-established Arizona case law, and the US Supreme Court has not interfered or commented on it (that I know of).  It's kind of excessive when you consider that there's no opportunity for treatment, but from what I've seen, they're usually pled down 10 years in prison and lifetime probation.  Unless they reject the plea and go to trial knowing what's hanging over their heads.


Holy shiat.  How would you like to be in AZ and have some shiatbag nephew view child porn on your computer without your knowledge?  You'd want to go to trial because you didn't do it, but you'd be terrified to go to trial because, yeah, sure you didn't do it.
 
2013-09-18 05:32:20 PM  
Now I almost feel guilty for having a small collection of drive-in style slasher movies.  I've always enjoyed Grind House type stuff, but it has never been role playing stuff.

Now I know where the title to White Zombie's Make Them Die Slowly album came from.  I have actually found a ton of Zombie's sampled lines by watching bad, ratty old horror movies.
 
2013-09-18 05:36:57 PM  

Coconice: This guy is huge creepy.  However, 26 years kind of sounds like a long damn time for having and distributing child porn.  I would think the largest sentences would be reserved for people making child porn.

Now, I am going to go back and look at that slide show and see what kind of nightmares it gives me.


I've seen a lot of gore porn and fake stuff online, so my uh...pallet, so to speak, is wide in terms of what I can handle.  But that slideshow was disgusting and cringeworthy.  Our only hope is that the prison criminals do their mob justice on this subhuman.

Small side note:  Anyone watch Lockup on MSNBC?  It's a guilty pleasure of my wife and I...and I gotta tell you, if that is as real as they make it sound...this guy doesn't last 15 minutes in prison before he's shanked and killed by someone already in there for life.  Good riddance.
 
2013-09-18 05:38:37 PM  
Also, for all of the thoughtcrime police in here...read the article.  He was planning on abducting kids with another child porn guy in Florida.  He wasn't just thinking about doing it, he was actively trying.
 
2013-09-18 05:42:43 PM  

Fade2black: Also, for all of the thoughtcrime police in here...read the article.  He was planning on abducting kids with another child porn guy in Florida.  He wasn't just thinking about doing it, he was actively trying.


I guess I missed the part between planning and attempting.
 
2013-09-18 05:45:51 PM  

Coconice: Now I almost feel guilty for having a small collection of drive-in style slasher movies.  I've always enjoyed Grind House type stuff, but it has never been role playing stuff.

Now I know where the title to White Zombie's Make Them Die Slowly album came from.  I have actually found a ton of Zombie's sampled lines by watching bad, ratty old horror movies.


Lots of people watch those movies. It's fun to empathize with the victims and feel "fear" in a safe environment.

I doubt fatpig empathized with the victims when he watched those movies - that's the difference between us and him (one of many differences I hope)
 
2013-09-18 05:47:23 PM  

debug: CleanAndPure: James!: Did he eat a child?

His house was full of child pornography...that is illegal by itself.

Which is why he's going to jail, but a life sentence would be pretty harsh for having kiddie porn.


No it's not. Life imprisonment is exactly what someone should get for having a high volume of kiddie porn like that guy. It's one thing if you use a program to download pics from usenet or some other site and you accidentally end up with some kiddie porn, but if you have over 1000 pics like this guy supposedly did that's life in jail. They're extremely sick people that at least for the moment can't be cured and need to go away for good.

If they manage to catch someone who creates kiddie porn, that's an immediate bullet to the back of the skull. No need for torture or anything, just a quick immediate death.
 
2013-09-18 05:48:43 PM  
And presumably some mental health professional will be referred to his case to see if anything can be done, and if not at least gather data on this type of criminal, right?

Right?
 
2013-09-18 05:51:24 PM  
Coconice:
Now I know where the title to White Zombie's Make Them Die Slowly album came from.  I have actually found a ton of Zombie's sampled lines by watching bad, ratty old horror movies.

A lot of Ed Wood and Roger Corman flicks.
 
2013-09-18 05:53:16 PM  
Its all fun and games until you eat the child.... Thats what i always say.
 
2013-09-18 06:02:58 PM  
Wow. I hope I don't get 26 years for the thoughts in my head.

/Wait, did I say that out loud?
 
2013-09-18 06:10:55 PM  

Cagey B: 1. The dude is set to begin a 26 year prison sentence.
2. If he survives being a creepy pedo in prison, which he probably won't, he'll be under lifetime supervision.
3. You can't imprison someone for a crime (in this case murder and a whole lot of other nasty stuff) that they might do.


You can imprison someone for a crime they are likely to commit.
 
2013-09-18 06:20:29 PM  
.308 cure that ...
 
2013-09-18 06:34:16 PM  

Russ1642: Cagey B: 1. The dude is set to begin a 26 year prison sentence.
2. If he survives being a creepy pedo in prison, which he probably won't, he'll be under lifetime supervision.
3. You can't imprison someone for a crime (in this case murder and a whole lot of other nasty stuff) that they might do.

You can imprison someone for a crime they are likely to commit.


I will likely have sex with you mom.

Therefore I am planning to commit bestiality. Can I be imprisoned for that ?
 
2013-09-18 06:39:55 PM  

hailin: Ugh...I can't even...

Yes...my logical brain is saying the punishment is fair since no murder/rape/cannibalism took place. My gut feeling though is to give him the needle because there is no fixing this rabid dog. Ever.


Agreed. This guy is absolutely vile, but the logical part of my brain is glad there's no such thing as a life sentence for anything beginning with "conspiracy to...."
 
2013-09-18 06:56:50 PM  

IkilledLauraPalmer: Russ1642: Cagey B: 1. The dude is set to begin a 26 year prison sentence.
2. If he survives being a creepy pedo in prison, which he probably won't, he'll be under lifetime supervision.
3. You can't imprison someone for a crime (in this case murder and a whole lot of other nasty stuff) that they might do.

You can imprison someone for a crime they are likely to commit.

I will likely have sex with you mom.

Therefore I am planning to commit bestiality. Can I be imprisoned for that ?


For such a thing you would need years of therapy, not prison.
 
2013-09-18 07:17:41 PM  

DocTravesty: All those photos... it's the kind of evidence you'd expect to find in a movie or something.  I mean, it seriously looks like he was framed by a B-move director or something.  Castrating tools, murder dungeon, butchery set...

... and then the last photo is of a router and a bottle of Clorox.


And the thing that gets me about this story? Why is it such a big deal that he had a lot of chicken?  Out of the list of everything he's done, or would have liked to/planned to do, buying a bunch of chicken seems pretty insignificant. But they always mention the chicken.
 
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