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2013-09-18 03:57:01 PM
Did they grow their hair out and get an ugly-ass necklace at the end?

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/tl;dr
 
2013-09-18 04:42:57 PM
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2013-09-18 04:50:15 PM
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good luck..
 
2013-09-18 05:02:36 PM
So, another participant in the human freak parade.
 
2013-09-18 05:11:41 PM

Sybarite: Did they grow their hair out and get an ugly-ass necklace at the end?



/tl;dr


I actually devoted some thought to that scene at one point.

"You have purged all emotion. Here's a medal. I would say I hope it makes you proud or happy and then snatch it from you, but you failed at the last minute anyway saving us from that effort. We'll cast it aside and leave you with your shame, as logic dictates."

/Vulcans are assholes
 
2013-09-18 05:25:53 PM
Yea, we have a word for people who don't have emotions like normal people. "Sociopath."
 
2013-09-18 05:27:48 PM
Overall, no matter how contrived or self-concocted, attempting Kolinar was a valuable and worthwhile experience. It lead to quite a few laughs and much less anger/irritation, both for myself and others operating within my sphere of functioning.

Then you failed at it.

Now stop pretending that you're doing something original and just go read some Stoicism.
 
2013-09-18 05:35:03 PM
I'd prefer Mentat training.

/No, not the Fallout kind.
 
2013-09-18 05:38:48 PM
Mass Effect is acceptable since one is placed in situations that constantly challenge one's ethical and moral guidelines.

Oh c'mon.
 
2013-09-18 05:40:55 PM
I'll hold out for a brainstem implant.
 
2013-09-18 06:09:05 PM

Smackledorfer: I'll hold out for a brainstem implant.


I could implant things in your brain stem. My services aren't even that expensive.

/Mainly because I do not have to repay a student loan for a medical degree
 
2013-09-18 06:32:20 PM

feanorn: I'd prefer Mentat training.

/No, not the Fallout kind.


Can you grow your eyebrows out?
 
2013-09-18 06:33:15 PM
Moron attempts something fictional and gets results unrelated to the goal. Claims success in the end. Derp!
 
2013-09-18 06:43:52 PM
Really, I thought it was a forceful procedure used by the Circle (along with the Templars) to keep mages who failed their final test in check so they don't become possessed by demons

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"My capacity to feel differs from yours, but you also differ from all other beings. You are no more a person than others, and I am no less a person than you are."
 
2013-09-18 07:03:35 PM

grumpfuff: Yea, we have a word for people who don't have emotions like normal people. "Sociopath."


A little meditation and more reading doesn't make one a sociopath, and even the fictional Vulcan race had emotion, the point of their philosophy was to control emotion instead of it controlling you. Also, even sociopaths have a place in society in jobs where you have to detach yourself from human suffering, such as doctors, lawyers, soldiers, politicians, etc.
 
2013-09-18 07:03:40 PM
The entire dichotomy between logic and emotion is a BS cultural ideal. There are inseparably intertwined.
 
2013-09-18 07:08:07 PM
MusicMakeMyHeadPound:
I actually devoted some thought to that scene at one point.

"You have purged all emotion. Here's a medal. I would say I hope it makes you proud or happy and then snatch it from you, but you failed at the last minute anyway saving us from that effort. We'll cast it aside and leave you with your shame, as logic dictates."

/Vulcans are assholes


Elves are assholes. Vulcans are just elves in space. Though the Eldar and Romulans have better fashion tastes.

Hm, now that I give this more thought ... Does this mean Klingons are really tall dwarves?
 
2013-09-18 07:10:50 PM
I find this desire to purge all emotion to be a product of an emotional need to be free of feeling.

Thus, once a theoretical person has person has purged all emotion, he would realize that he had no further need to be emotionless and then he would get all happy and probably go off somewhere and masturbate.....
 
2013-09-18 07:31:20 PM
Just see a shrink and talk about who touched you as a child.
 
2013-09-18 07:39:53 PM
So he went to an engineering school?
 
2013-09-18 07:46:06 PM

Practical_Draconian: Elves are assholes. Vulcans are just elves in space. Though the Eldar and Romulans have better fashion tastes.

Hm, now that I give this more thought ... Does this mean Klingons are really tall dwarves?


Klingons are orcs.
 
2013-09-18 07:55:34 PM

Son of Thunder: Overall, no matter how contrived or self-concocted, attempting Kolinar was a valuable and worthwhile experience. It lead to quite a few laughs and much less anger/irritation, both for myself and others operating within my sphere of functioning.

Then you failed at it.


Maybe it was only a semi-Kolinar.
 
2013-09-18 08:00:38 PM
In a TNG episode, Data recalls how he had been asked why he couldn't just emulate Vulcans since they were devoid of emotions ("there are Vulcans who have strived their entire lives to achieve what you have been granted by design"< Spock once told him). Data's conclusion was that he found Vulcans to be "too limited".
 
2013-09-18 08:22:45 PM
NONE OF THAT shiat WILL HAPPEN.

See: J.J. Abrams
 
2013-09-18 08:24:51 PM

Bslim: NONE OF THAT shiat WILL HAPPEN.

See: J.J. Abrams


JJ is going to be jumping ship to Mouseschwitz and doing Star Wars crap soon.
 
2013-09-18 08:37:24 PM
So Kristen Stewart is Vulcan? That explains a lot
 
2013-09-18 08:44:01 PM

jaggspb: So Kristen Stewart is Vulcan? That explains a lot


"Live long and.....line?"
 
2013-09-18 08:48:20 PM
Sounds like a teenager that thinks acting like an asshole makes you seem mature. No, it just makes you an asshole.
 
2013-09-18 08:49:07 PM
A month of rational and logical thinking... I'm going to assume that the author is not a woman.
 
2013-09-18 08:59:44 PM
We already have humans with the Vulcan ability to rid themselves of emotion. They are called psychopaths.
 
2013-09-18 09:04:00 PM

JayCab: Sounds like a teenager that thinks acting like an asshole makes you seem mature. No, it just makes you an asshole.


Not taking offense, respecting the privacy and dignity of others, reading and meditating. Yeah, he sounds like a real dick.
 
2013-09-18 09:52:16 PM

big pig peaches: JayCab: Sounds like a teenager that thinks acting like an asshole makes you seem mature. No, it just makes you an asshole.

Not taking offense, respecting the privacy and dignity of others, reading and meditating. Yeah, he sounds like a real dick.


Not saying that *this* guy is an asshole. Just that the "forced change in emotional behavior" reminds me of the more common outcome of the attempt.
 
2013-09-18 09:53:20 PM
This is simply a variation of monastic living substituting Vulcan philosophy and symbology for (insert terrestrial spirituality of choice). You'll see results (overall calmness and clarity of thought, increased physical well-being from improved diet and so forth), but if you're hoping to purge emotions that have been hardwired into the brain through millions of years of evolution, good luck.
 
2013-09-18 10:34:30 PM
This American Life was there over a decade ago.  Testosterone.  Turns out that Vulcans don't have low-T, they have no-T.
 
2013-09-18 10:59:40 PM
Great, pal. You had a Colonic. Go blow it out yer ass.
 
2013-09-18 11:09:55 PM
The funny thing about Vulcans is how obvious it always was that they are not just emotional, but exceedingly emotional.
 
2013-09-18 11:54:49 PM

Skyrmion: The funny thing about Vulcans is how obvious it always was that they are not just emotional, but exceedingly emotional.


How so?
 
2013-09-19 12:13:55 AM

Shedim: Skyrmion: The funny thing about Vulcans is how obvious it always was that they are not just emotional, but exceedingly emotional.

How so?


They usually just come across as fake stoics, bristling with frustration under the surface. Nimoy's Spock was probably the least emotional of the ST Vulcans, and even there you can frequently see the character's irritation. It's gotten more severe as the series progress. There was a Vulcan plot arc in Enterprise where the Vulcans are so pig-headed and illogical it's almost as if they threw out that identifying race concept entirely. And in the new movies, Zach Quinto's Spock seems characterized more by emotional turmoil than emotionlessness.
 
2013-09-19 12:23:11 AM

Skyrmion: Shedim: Skyrmion: The funny thing about Vulcans is how obvious it always was that they are not just emotional, but exceedingly emotional.

How so?

They usually just come across as fake stoics, bristling with frustration under the surface. Nimoy's Spock was probably the least emotional of the ST Vulcans, and even there you can frequently see the character's irritation. It's gotten more severe as the series progress. There was a Vulcan plot arc in Enterprise where the Vulcans are so pig-headed and illogical it's almost as if they threw out that identifying race concept entirely. And in the new movies, Zach Quinto's Spock seems characterized more by emotional turmoil than emotionlessness.


That's because Spock is an over-compensating half-breed who needs to prove how Vulcan he is to all his Vulcan friends. He's like the ex-drug addict turned Christian who has got to be the most Christian Christian to ever Christian.

Most of the other Vulcans are like "yeah, we're all super logical and way smarter than humans" Spock is like "I MUST BE PURE LOGIC"

It's kind of nice to see Quinto's character letting go of some of that.
 
2013-09-19 12:31:45 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Most of the other Vulcans are like "yeah, we're all super logical and way smarter than humans" Spock is like "I MUST BE PURE LOGIC"

It's kind of nice to see Quinto's character letting go of some of that.


I mean, [spoilers for latest ST Movie to follow] when he goes after Khan by himself at the end of the movie:

1) It's not remotely logical; clearly a coordinated action would be more effective. (As it proves to be in the end when Uhura helps him.)

2) He is obviously pissed, and taking it personally. (Especially regarding what happened to Kirk.)
 
2013-09-19 01:43:02 AM

Son of Thunder: Overall, no matter how contrived or self-concocted, attempting Kolinar was a valuable and worthwhile experience. It lead to quite a few laughs and much less anger/irritation, both for myself and others operating within my sphere of functioning.

Then you failed at it.

Now stop pretending that you're doing something original and just go read some Stoicism.


It's the will of the Logos.
 
2013-09-19 01:56:23 AM
I found it interesting that an utterly contrived course of fictional philosophy could produce results at the very least equivalent with some of the world's most respected religious practices, which are also based in fiction.

In other words, bullshiat comes in many flavours, and if you chow down on enough of it, it'll taste like Easter candy.

/if you see him in the road...
 
2013-09-19 02:45:28 AM
I'd rather attempt to experience pon farr.
 
2013-09-19 02:51:01 AM

FedExPope: I'd rather attempt to experience pon farr.


I'd settle for snu snu.
 
2013-09-19 02:57:33 AM

big pig peaches: Yeah, he sounds like a real dick.


Sounds like a raging egomaniac with borderline personality issues..

Also sounds like someone who would sleep with a rancid deer carcass if it meant he got some attention... any attention...  so, yes, self-infatuated dick...
 
2013-09-19 03:22:58 AM
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2013-09-19 03:42:10 AM

Skyrmion: AverageAmericanGuy: Most of the other Vulcans are like "yeah, we're all super logical and way smarter than humans" Spock is like "I MUST BE PURE LOGIC"

It's kind of nice to see Quinto's character letting go of some of that.

I mean, [spoilers for latest ST Movie to follow] when he goes after Khan by himself at the end of the movie:

1) It's not remotely logical; clearly a coordinated action would be more effective. (As it proves to be in the end when Uhura helps him.)

2) He is obviously pissed, and taking it personally. (Especially regarding what happened to Kirk.)


Kirk and Spock are Kirk and Spock in a different timeline. Kirk is how he would have been if his father had been killed (thus lacking the father figure that inspired him to Starfleet) blah blah blah. Spock lost his mother, and his planet. Spock in the original series was seen to struggle with his half human/half Vulcan heritage but had it more under control but was still young and growing with it. As he aged he became more relaxed (and not the Super Christian comparison made earlier, which is great). This Spock was also struggling as we saw, but then got kicked repeatedly in the balls. The film touches on that with the whole lava scene shiat.

I'm down with it and I am enjoying the exploration of characters we know so well under alt circumstances. What I DO NOT LIKE is the lazy ass revamp of Starfleet.

SPOILERS AHOY AHEAD


Kirk gets his ship taken away? Busted back...to the Academy? From Captain? It's just all such hack bullshiat, and it really farking annoys me. The Naval type structure is abandoned both the good and the crappy, as is the entire science and exploration theme. They touch on it with a supposed internal type struggle between it being military (with Admiral Robocop) and the science-y explore-y (Admiral Robocop's hot daughter who had Kirk's bastard in Universe A, who the fark knows here). Even then though it comes off...weird. And bad.

I also hate a lot of the ship bullshiat too.

/nerdwhine end
 
2013-09-19 04:14:49 AM

chrisdmid: Son of Thunder: Overall, no matter how contrived or self-concocted, attempting Kolinar was a valuable and worthwhile experience. It lead to quite a few laughs and much less anger/irritation, both for myself and others operating within my sphere of functioning.

Then you failed at it.

Maybe it was only a semi-Kolinar.


I see what you did there.

;)
 
2013-09-19 05:42:48 AM
Two points.

The metal side(Ramstein in the article) of rock and roll is the descendant of classical music.  Bonjovi, and Creed, Beiber, not so much, certainly not country and rap.

On video games:  even a modern shooter like Call of Duty is strategy based.  The only functional difference between that and chess is where turns are not a game mechanic.  Vulcan's need to practice on keeping their reaction times low and keeping thoughts speedy and adaptable too.
 
2013-09-19 07:43:33 AM

grumpfuff: Yea, we have a word for people who don't have emotions like normal people. "Sociopath."


JayCab: Sounds like a teenager that thinks acting like an asshole makes you seem mature. No, it just makes you an asshole.


phimuskapsi: We already have humans with the Vulcan ability to rid themselves of emotion. They are called psychopaths.


You guys are thinking of empathy, not emotion.
 
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