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(Huffington Post)   Obama is such a foreign policy amateur that the President of Iran is ready to open full negotiations regarding Iran's nuclear program   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 256
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2013-09-18 01:46:11 PM  
Who better to negotiate with than an amateur?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-18 01:50:41 PM  
Isn't negotiating a sign of weakness?
 
2013-09-18 01:53:06 PM  
Iran is a net importer of refined petroleum products. They NEED power generation from nuclear. How about we give them those nuke plants that don't make weapons grade material? Seems like a win.
 
2013-09-18 01:53:49 PM  
Why aren't we bombing them yet?
 
2013-09-18 03:02:25 PM  
Consorting with turrurists. Just what I expected of B. Hussein Obama.
 
2013-09-18 03:51:17 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Iran is a net importer of refined petroleum products. They NEED power generation from nuclear. How about we give them those nuke plants that don't make weapons grade material? Seems like a win.


I think that was actually on the table at one point in time and fell apart.  I believe it was France that was going to build the civil use reactors.
 
2013-09-18 03:56:34 PM  
Well, we'll just have to see where all this is going. I hope for good things. I hope we don't get fooled again.
 
2013-09-18 03:58:36 PM  
He's an amateur because we haven't invaded every country in the mid east that isn't Israel?

What does Bin Laden think of his amateur status?
 
2013-09-18 04:00:36 PM  

vpb: Isn't negotiating a sign of weakness?


if you're a neanderthal republican, yes.
 
2013-09-18 04:02:00 PM  
Full negotiations with Iran.  Wow.  Looks like we're about to get "peace for our time."  Nothing amateurish about that.
 
2013-09-18 04:06:33 PM  
Republicans never negotiate with our enemies. Nixon and Reagan proved that.
 
2013-09-18 04:08:53 PM  

SkinnyHead: Full negotiations with Iran.  Wow.  Looks like we're about to get "peace for our time."  Nothing amateurish about that.


Does this count as a Godwin, or is there a "Chamberlain" corrollarry to Godwin?
 
2013-09-18 04:17:47 PM  
You don't get unwanted weapons systems built in my Congressional district with *negotiations* you Socialist Communist Atheist Muslin Weakling Dictator Lifelong-Politician Amateur!
 
2013-09-18 04:28:13 PM  

MrBallou: Consorting with turrurists. Just what I expected of B. Hussein Obama.


Yeah, man.  The Husseins have always been in bed with Iran!

Mugato: He's an amateur because we haven't invaded every country in the mid east that isn't Israel?


You may have missed the painfully obvious sarcasm.  For the record, my "Hussein" comment was as well.
 
2013-09-18 04:29:35 PM  

vernonFL: Does this count as a Godwin, or is there a "Chamberlain" corrollarry to Godwin?


You can't says that every reference to someone who lived during WWII is Godwining.

And we need a new word, Chamberlaining doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.
 
2013-09-18 04:30:33 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: vernonFL: Does this count as a Godwin, or is there a "Chamberlain" corrollarry to Godwin?

You can't says that every reference to someone who lived during WWII is Godwining.

And we need a new word, Chamberlaining doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.


Nevillated?
 
2013-09-18 04:34:11 PM  
Bomb first.  Negotiate after.
 
2013-09-18 04:36:36 PM  
John Bolton will be along soon to assure us that Obama communicating with Iran is exactly like surrendering Washington DC to the mullahs.
 
2013-09-18 04:42:54 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: John Bolton will be along soon to assure us that Obama communicating with Iran is exactly like surrendering Washington DC to the mullahs.


As soon as he finds his bukkit he'll be hitting the Sunday morning news circuit.
 
2013-09-18 04:48:31 PM  
No doubt this is just Obama reaching out to his Muslim brothers to offer more nuclear weapons to help finish off Israel.
 
2013-09-18 05:07:14 PM  
Negotiations with Iran? That's rewarding them for developing nukes.
We can't do that, or take half-measures like sanctions. Iran needs to face real consequences, like bombs or a full-scale military assault.

But clueless Obama would rather bomb Syria. What a buffoon.
What does he want to do, start World War III? If he bombs Syria, Iran might get involved!
 
2013-09-18 05:21:32 PM  
Lord knows that the mullahs won't lie


False oath to save the Muslims:

There are many traditions that support the taking of a false oath in order to save the Muslims. For example, Shaykh Ansari in his book, Makasib quotes from Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq (a.s.) and Imam 'Ali (a.s.) that they have narrated the following tradition of the Holy Prophet (S).
The Holy Prophet (S) says:
"Swear falsely by Allah, but save your Muslim brothers from unjust murder."
Ismael Ibn Sād records a confirmed tradition, wherein he says that he asked Imam 'Ali Riďa (a.s.) concerning the person who takes a false oath to save his property from an unjust ruler.
Imam Riďa (a.s.) replied,

"There is no harm (in it)."
He was again asked, "If a man takes a false oath to save the property of his believing brother, just as he had sworn falsely to save his own property. Is it allowed?"
Imam (a.s.) said,
"Yes! It is allowed."
(Wasa'il ul-Shia)
Also Hazrat Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq (a.s.) says,

"If one is compelled to take a false oath to save the life of a Muslim or to save his property from an oppressor or a thief, not only is the expiation of this false oath not payable but he would rather be eligible for (divine) rewards."
 
2013-09-18 05:30:06 PM  
If we had a REAL man in power, the Iranian threat would have been neutralized by now.
 
2013-09-18 05:45:13 PM  
If only John Lennon was alive to see this.
 
2013-09-18 05:47:55 PM  

themindiswatching: the Iranian threat


Jeeves, bring me my sharting-pants posthaste!
 
2013-09-18 05:49:58 PM  

WelldeadLink: Who better to negotiate with than an amateur?


done in one
 
2013-09-18 05:49:58 PM  

themindiswatching: If we had a REAL man in power, the Iranian threat would have been neutralized by now.


Yep, Romney would have shown them what's what!
 
2013-09-18 05:50:38 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Lord knows that the mullahs won't lie

False oath to save the Muslims:
[snip]
"If one is compelled to take a false oath to save the life of a Muslim or to save his property from an oppressor or a thief, not only is the expiation of this false oath not payable but he would rather be eligible for (divine) rewards."


...as opposed to us good Christian-influenced westerners; who have advanced so far as to be able to lie to pretty much anyone, for purely secular rewards, and at any damn time we happen to feel like it.
 
2013-09-18 05:50:44 PM  

FlashHarry: if you're a neanderthal republican, yes.


do you get paid to post this nonsense?
 
2013-09-18 05:54:22 PM  
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2013-09-18 05:54:40 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: DERP

Seriously, did you even read that?  If they lied during the negotiations, they'd be breaking their rules,  because the negotiations aren't there to harm them.  No muslim lives, nor their property, are at stake at the negotiations, nor are these negotiations "unjust".  In fact, being honest in the negotiations would be far better in the long run for them.
 
2013-09-18 05:55:34 PM  

Wasteland: ...as opposed to us good Christian-influenced westerners; who have advanced so far as to be able to lie to pretty much anyone, for purely secular rewards, and at any damn time we happen to feel like i

t.

...that too...
 
2013-09-18 05:58:20 PM  

the_dude_abides: FlashHarry: if you're a neanderthal republican, yes.

do you get paid to post this nonsense?



Quite right, no need to insult Neanderthals.
 
2013-09-18 06:00:00 PM  
Translated into English, the President of Iran wants Obama to be his biatch.
 
2013-09-18 06:00:05 PM  
Godammit! How are we supposed to bomb anyone if we keep tripping over all these diplomatic solutions to our problems? All these bombs are going to go to waste now!

Thanks Obama!!
=Smidge=
 
2013-09-18 06:00:45 PM  
The usual anti-Obama farkers are posting their anti-Obama slogans in full force today. He must be doing something right.
 
2013-09-18 06:01:08 PM  

vpb: Isn't negotiating a sign of weakness?


It is when Obama does it.

Negotiation is a sign of eminent civility and class when an uppity negro goes full baboon and wants to bomb another country.

This is called the Republican conditional value shift.
 
2013-09-18 06:02:47 PM  

friday13: The Stealth Hippopotamus: DERP
Seriously, did you even read that?  If they lied during the negotiations, they'd be breaking their rules,  because the negotiations aren't there to harm them.  No muslim lives, nor their property, are at stake at the negotiations, nor are these negotiations "unjust".  In fact, being honest in the negotiations would be far better in the long run for them.


So bombing doesn't effect property and also leveling sanctions can not be seen as "unjust". Good to know.

Wasteland: ...as opposed to us good Christian-influenced westerners; who have advanced so far as to be able to lie to pretty much anyone, for purely secular rewards, and at any damn time we happen to feel like it.


For some reason people in this thread think that Iran is serious. My only guess is people think that their religion plays a part.
 
2013-09-18 06:03:31 PM  

BKITU: The Stealth Hippopotamus: vernonFL: Does this count as a Godwin, or is there a "Chamberlain" corrollarry to Godwin?

You can't says that every reference to someone who lived during WWII is Godwining.

And we need a new word, Chamberlaining doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.

Nevillated?


That works.
 
2013-09-18 06:09:38 PM  

Brick-House: Translated into English, the President of Iran wants Obama to be his biatch.


You have no idea what's going on.

Good luck with that.
 
2013-09-18 06:12:59 PM  
Maybe we could trade them weapons for something. But not tell anyone.
 
2013-09-18 06:17:37 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Maybe we could trade them weapons for something. But not tell anyone.


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2013-09-18 06:17:49 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Maybe we could trade them weapons for something. But not tell anyone.


That sounds like a neat idea!
 
2013-09-18 06:19:46 PM  

Brick-House: Translated into English, the President of Iran wants Obama to be his biatch.


You are an ignorant man.

It shows with every post.

You must feel so lost without a hope and change comic to tell you how to hate.
 
2013-09-18 06:19:47 PM  
Isn't the new president of Iran supposedly much more moderate than the previous one?  I'm not sure we should necessarily put all that much credit on Obama, except that unlike his predecessor, Obama is someone who will listen to offers.
 
2013-09-18 06:20:12 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Wasteland: ...as opposed to us good Christian-influenced westerners; who have advanced so far as to be able to lie to pretty much anyone, for purely secular rewards, and at any damn time we happen to feel like it.

For some reason people in this thread think that Iran is serious. My only guess is people think that their religion plays a part.


Can't we at least be hopeful?  A diplomatic solution is certainly preferable to anything else.
 
2013-09-18 06:21:36 PM  
This'll be interesting. My money is on nothing of substance happening.
 
2013-09-18 06:21:53 PM  
We're going to lay some of that Brilliant Kerry-Obama Eleven-Dimensional Chess on their Persian asses.
 
2013-09-18 06:25:13 PM  
If Obama actually manages to not fark up making peace with Iran (which to me means lifting all sanctions) then he'll finally deserve that Peace Prize.
 
2013-09-18 06:29:38 PM  
You can't negotiate with terrorist warmongers.  We have to protect our citizens!
See this picture?  Every man, woman and child who lives here is counting on us to remain strong and vigilant!
en.tehran.ir
Okay, it's a picture of Tehran, but you get the idea,,
 
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