enemy of the state: cptjeff: enemy of the state: 3) I've heard or seen no information of any sort that proves the Syrian government did it. Too be fair, that's true of the rebels. Apparently we're supposed to act on faith either way.The missiles were consistent with those used in regime attacks, and were launched from regime controlled areas. Oh, and the chemical weapons are probably the most heavily secured assets in the Syrian government's arsenal. Not to mention the wire intercepts, the fact that rebels were killed... Do you really think the rebels would kill their own children and aid workers for some vague hope of US aid? On what planet does that happen? Not to mention that if the rebels wound up with Chemical weapons, don't you think Al Qaeda or Hezbollah, which would almost certainly wind up in control of them, if just by virtue of their technical capability, would find better uses for them than gassing their own people?If you think that there's any chance the rebels were the ones who launched the chemical weapons attack, you're either a moron or Russia. I'm sorry, but there is no remotely plausible scenario where that happens. It's on the level of the lizard people arranging the JFK assassination with Bigfoot being the second shooter.I haven't seen any information about missiles. It sounds like heresay to me, after the fact. It could be true, of course. But it sure hasn't had a high profile in the news. Are there any reliable Western journalists in that part of the country who know enough to say what kind of missiles they were?As regards trajectories, I have a PhD in physics and know a bit about the sorts of craters meteors make under different circumstances and I greatly doubt that you could calculate a missile trajectory with any reliability based on a hole in the ground.I'm sure that Syrian soldiers could be bribed, or killed, or just going over to the rebels' side. I just don't see rebels getting hold of sarin or even small missiles as a big stretch.As far as al ...
Apik0r0s: Almost Everybody Poops: And of course, there's the evidence that two of the rockets' trajectory points straight back to a Syrian Republican National Guard base that was already assumed to contain CW.Really? Is the rocket's trajectory still stuck there in the sky like a rainbow?
rosebud_the_sled: sprawl15: qorkfiend: "U.N. chemical report"?To be fair, it was basically a report that "hello this is chemical weapons" and didn't try to say who committed the attack.You mean the part where they calculate the trajectory from one of the Syrian made missiles carrying ~500Kg of a chemical agent back to a compound of the Syrian Republican Guard? Or are you writing about some other part of the report.
enemy of the state: Almost Everybody Poops: Graspin' at straws now. I'm eagerly waiting for the farkers convinced it's a rebel attack to come into this thread.I wouldn't be surprised that it was a rebel attack:1) Assad was winning the war. He had alot to lose by using chemical weapons and little to gain.2) The attack was a few miles from the presidential palace on the day that UN inspectors were coming into the country. That's remarkably poor planning if the Syrian government did it.3) I've heard or seen no information of any sort that proves the Syrian government did it. Too be fair, that's true of the rebels. Apparently we're supposed to act on faith either way.4) Easy to dress rebels up in Syrian army uniforms and launch an attack from area the government controls.5) alQaeda, for example, wouldn't be too finicky about killing hundreds of innocent civilians. That's sort of their forte. So no problem taking out a rebel area. They were probably the wrong sect anyway.6) The rebels have a huge amount to gain by bringing in foreign intervention.As I said, I haven't heard or seen any evidence proving or even strongly indicating which side did the attack. We're just supposed to take the word of our leaders. Right.All I'm saying is that objectively, there's good reason to think a really bad group of rebels, like alQaeda, did this.
Crazy Lee: cptjeff: Crazy Lee: As regards trajectories, I have a PhD in physics and know a bit about the sorts of craters meteors make under different circumstances and I greatly doubt that you could calculate a missile trajectory with any reliability based on a hole in the ground.Fortunately, they're basing it on more than just one hole in the ground. They have multiple holes to go off of. We know how a missile arcs. Tell me, is two points and a defined curve enough to determine a trajectory?I was pointing out, to the original poster (not my quote), that he needs to review real world applications of his `specialty'... (see the links).
tinfoil-hat maggie: cptjeff: Hint: The Russians are lying because it serves their strategic interests to keep the Assad regime in place.What did the Russians lie about? I know the Russians wanna keep Assad and don't want the rebels to take control, and the US is fine with Israel having nukes because it serves their interest. Granted they haven't used them yet, but the US likes to talk about the region destabilizing effects of nuclear weapons when it comes to Iran.
Crazy Lee: As regards trajectories, I have a PhD in physics and know a bit about the sorts of craters meteors make under different circumstances and I greatly doubt that you could calculate a missile trajectory with any reliability based on a hole in the ground.
enemy of the state: 1) Assad was winning the war. He had alot to lose by using chemical weapons and little to gain.2) The attack was a few miles from the presidential palace
enemy of the state: 4) Easy to dress rebels up in Syrian army uniforms and launch an attack from area the government controls.
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