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2013-09-18 01:10:06 PM
I have a feeling there was a medical emergency (on the part of the bus driver) or something else going on here, he never even attempted to slow down. I wonder if they have any cameras or black box type of recorders.
 
2013-09-18 01:10:12 PM
One of our offices in in Ottawa.  I didn't want to call to find out if anyone's missing, reasoning that they all show up super early for work... and I expect they'd have told us by now.
 
2013-09-18 01:23:45 PM
Can't take the plane, can't take the train, can't take a bus...

Horse and buggy time.
 
2013-09-18 01:25:53 PM
He Ottawa-ch where he's going.
 
2013-09-18 01:27:58 PM

real_headhoncho: Can't take the plane, can't take the train, can't take a bus...

Horse and buggy time.


I'll post some articles about Mennonite buggy fatalities. Give me a few minutes.
 
2013-09-18 01:28:11 PM
quick, how can we blame Obama?
 
2013-09-18 01:31:56 PM
Two thoughts:
1) That was seconds from being way, way worse.
2) I thought Ottawa had dedicated bus routes. This must be just about the only level crossing in the entire OC Transpo network.
 
2013-09-18 01:32:52 PM
Never race a train.

I can beat a train on a road course.
 
2013-09-18 01:33:37 PM
He didn't here the train a comin'
 
2013-09-18 01:34:06 PM

Begoggle: He Ottawa-ch where he's going.


You owe me a new keyboard... and a laptop that's attached to it!

//not so CSB
//One of my coworkers' daughters + small baby were on the bus. We found out they were not the ones on the 'out' list, but have no other info than that.
///Ottawa Farker
//end not so CSB
 
2013-09-18 01:35:58 PM
City bus driver, no.  Superman, ok.

img2-1.timeinc.net
 
2013-09-18 01:36:36 PM
Bus driver....I don't care what underoos you were wearing you're not more powerful than a locomotive.
 
2013-09-18 01:36:57 PM

SecretAgentWoman: I have a feeling there was a medical emergency (on the part of the bus driver) or something else going on here, he never even attempted to slow down. I wonder if they have any cameras or black box type of recorders.


The sad thing is that if this wasn't due to a medical emergency, it wouldn't be the first time that a healthy bus driver in this city caused multiple deaths by not watching the road.

Several years ago, a bus rammed a car which had pulled over due to mechanical problems. The bus driver who had a clear view along a very long stretch of highway "didn't notice" the car, and ended up killing most of a family.
 
2013-09-18 01:41:27 PM
This could've been much, much worse as the train was slowing down because it was heading into a station to pick up more passengers on its way to Toronto.
Pretty scary stuff, I take buses from that station all the time.
 
2013-09-18 01:41:31 PM

SecretAgentWoman: I have a feeling there was a medical emergency (on the part of the bus driver) or something else going on here, he never even attempted to slow down. I wonder if they have any cameras or black box type of recorders.


No cameras but the buses do have a black box, so they should be able to tell if mechanical failure was the cause.
 
2013-09-18 01:41:49 PM
"... peacefully in his sleep, not screaming and terrified like his passengers. "
 
2013-09-18 01:43:18 PM

TeamEd: Two thoughts:
1) That was seconds from being way, way worse.
2) I thought Ottawa had dedicated bus routes. This must be just about the only level crossing in the entire OC Transpo network.


They were supposed to build a tunnel around 2003 but it was going to cost more than estimated because of ground water so got shelved.  As someone mentioned it is totally believable the driver simply was in sleep mode and drove right into the wall of train.
 
2013-09-18 01:44:22 PM
Speaking of trains, subby...how's your mom?
 
2013-09-18 01:46:55 PM

SecretAgentWoman: I have a feeling there was a medical emergency (on the part of the bus driver) or something else going on here, he never even attempted to slow down. I wonder if they have any cameras or black box type of recorders.


That or a particularly selfish form of suicide were our guesses. The guy didn't appear to be racing for the crossing so much as going for the T-bone entree.

oldfarthenry: real_headhoncho: Can't take the plane, can't take the train, can't take a bus...

Horse and buggy time.

I'll post some articles about Mennonite buggy fatalities. Give me a few minutes.


Some were attributable to trot-by shootings.
 
2013-09-18 01:47:09 PM

outtatowner: Begoggle: He Ottawa-ch where he's going.

You owe me a new keyboard... and a laptop that's attached to it!

//One of my coworkers' daughters + small baby were on the bus. We found out they were not the ones on the 'out' list, but have no other info than that.



What's the "out" list?
 
2013-09-18 01:47:31 PM

Eskurido: SecretAgentWoman: I have a feeling there was a medical emergency (on the part of the bus driver) or something else going on here, he never even attempted to slow down. I wonder if they have any cameras or black box type of recorders.

The sad thing is that if this wasn't due to a medical emergency, it wouldn't be the first time that a healthy bus driver in this city caused multiple deaths by not watching the road.

Several years ago, a bus rammed a car which had pulled over due to mechanical problems. The bus driver who had a clear view along a very long stretch of highway "didn't notice" the car, and ended up killing most of a family.


Not to dismiss what you said but they had pulled over and stopped in the bus lane not onto the shoulder so family were not exactly smart. Driver should still have picked up on that rather than thinking about whatever he was doing that night.
Side note, I live literally 200 yards as the crow flies from where it happened. My wife rides horses at the Equestrian Centre across Woodroffe and someone has already posted that they have seen the busses cross rather than stopping. I think what they meant was that they saw the lights go on and knew they had about 5 seconds before the gates drop and raced it.
The train goes through that area at least 4-6 times a day so this isn't an uncommon occurance and there are a large number of busses that cross those tracks. I take the bus downtown every day and they don't exactly slow down to make sure that there is no trains coming but then again that section you can see about 400-1000 yards down the track so the train didn't exactly sneak up on them and would only have been going maybe 20-30 mph when he hit it. Either he was really distracted or something happened.
Either way it is a serious tragedy that happened to close to home (literally).
 
2013-09-18 01:50:12 PM
"From what I can tell the bus driver did not notice that these train track's signal lights were on and the gates were down."

Bullsh*t. He deliberately went around the gates. He noticed the gates and didn't want to wait. Now he's dead. How did that "not want to wait" thing work out for you eh?
 
2013-09-18 01:50:54 PM

rikkards: Woodroffe and someone has already posted that they have seen the busses cross rather than stopping. I think what they meant was that they saw the lights go on and knew they had about 5 seconds before the gates drop and raced it... they don't exactly slow down to make sure that there is no trains coming


...crap on a crutch.
 
2013-09-18 01:56:34 PM
"I just thought maybe there's a side way around or something but instantly he just ... he smoked the train. He went through the guard rail and just hammered the train and then it was just mayhem."

I don't think he smoked the train. I believe the train ground him up, placed him on fine rice paper, rolled him tightly, lightly tweaked the end, carefully lit the other end and smoked him.
 
2013-09-18 01:57:35 PM
Via Rail said there were no major injuries reported on the train, but it suspended its Ottawa-Toronto service for the rest of the day. The routes would be replaced with a chartered bus service.

Now that's just adding insult to injury.
 
2013-09-18 02:03:24 PM

rikkards: Eskurido: SecretAgentWoman: I have a feeling there was a medical emergency (on the part of the bus driver) or something else going on here, he never even attempted to slow down. I wonder if they have any cameras or black box type of recorders.

The sad thing is that if this wasn't due to a medical emergency, it wouldn't be the first time that a healthy bus driver in this city caused multiple deaths by not watching the road.

Several years ago, a bus rammed a car which had pulled over due to mechanical problems. The bus driver who had a clear view along a very long stretch of highway "didn't notice" the car, and ended up killing most of a family.

Not to dismiss what you said but they had pulled over and stopped in the bus lane not onto the shoulder so family were not exactly smart. Driver should still have picked up on that rather than thinking about whatever he was doing that night.
Side note, I live literally 200 yards as the crow flies from where it happened. My wife rides horses at the Equestrian Centre across Woodroffe and someone has already posted that they have seen the busses cross rather than stopping. I think what they meant was that they saw the lights go on and knew they had about 5 seconds before the gates drop and raced it.
The train goes through that area at least 4-6 times a day so this isn't an uncommon occurance and there are a large number of busses that cross those tracks. I take the bus downtown every day and they don't exactly slow down to make sure that there is no trains coming but then again that section you can see about 400-1000 yards down the track so the train didn't exactly sneak up on them and would only have been going maybe 20-30 mph when he hit it. Either he was really distracted or something happened.
Either way it is a serious tragedy that happened to close to home (literally).


My dad used to work for OC, first as a driver and later as a supervisor.  There are a lot of non-fatal accidents that happen every year simply because the drivers are on autopilot.  Hopefully that is not the case here.
 
2013-09-18 02:09:03 PM

Walker: Bullsh*t. He deliberately went around the gates.


From TFA:

PascalLolgis said the bus appeared to drive through a lowered crossing barrier

just sayin'
 
2013-09-18 02:12:39 PM
When I used to take the Voyageur bus (now Greyhound) I noticed that they would stop at all railroad crossings, even when the lights were not flashing. I don't know if that's the law or just company policy, but it makes a lot of sense from a safety standpoint.

I'm amazed that OC Transpo drivers aren't doing this. But then, using their turn signals seems to be too much work for some of them.
 
2013-09-18 02:13:18 PM
What if you drift race trains?

i3.photobucket.com

/Can probably call obscure on this one
 
2013-09-18 02:15:26 PM
FTFA: Ottawa has resulted in six deaths, including the bus driver

Awww

*Hides pitchfork behind back and douses torch in puddle*
 
2013-09-18 02:16:06 PM
dl.dropboxusercontent.com
/makes me laugh every time
 
2013-09-18 02:17:48 PM

bingethinker: When I used to take the Voyageur bus (now Greyhound) I noticed that they would stop at all railroad crossings, even when the lights were not flashing. I don't know if that's the law or just company policy, but it makes a lot of sense from a safety standpoint.

I'm amazed that OC Transpo drivers aren't doing this. But then, using their turn signals seems to be too much work for some of them.


Fact that OC Transpo doesn't and Greyhound does makes me think it is just policy. I am expecting this to become the case now though for OC.
 
2013-09-18 02:21:44 PM
Don't buses have to stop at tracks in Canada? They all do down here, regardless of if the signal is active or not.
 
2013-09-18 02:23:47 PM
Obviously we need to ban buses
 
2013-09-18 02:31:20 PM

hobnail: Don't buses have to stop at tracks in Canada? They all do down here, regardless of if the signal is active or not.


They do, whether there's a train or not. I think I've even see them stop when the train tracks aren't in use anymore.
 
GBB
2013-09-18 02:31:26 PM

oldfarthenry: real_headhoncho: Can't take the plane, can't take the train, can't take a bus...

Horse and buggy time.

I'll post some articles about Mennonite buggy fatalities. Give me a few minutes.


I just totally envisioned this exchange as an XKCD strip.
 
2013-09-18 02:34:16 PM
Immediately thought of this, even though there is no bus involved.
 
2013-09-18 02:40:17 PM

SecretAgentWoman: I have a feeling there was a medical emergency (on the part of the bus driver) or something else going on here, he never even attempted to slow down. I wonder if they have any cameras or black box type of recorders.


Never read TFA... It's just a waste of time.
 
2013-09-18 02:49:27 PM

hobnail: Don't buses have to stop at tracks in Canada? They all do down here, regardless of if the signal is active or not.


From the Ontario Ministry of Transport:

Buses and other public vehicles are required to stop at railway crossings that do not have automatic warning devices, such as barriers or signal lights. School buses must stop at all railway crossings whether or not they have signals or barriers. As a motorist, be prepared to stop behind these vehicles.

Yeah... I can see that being changed very soon.

And sadly, I can see the OCTranspo union trying to fight said change for some stupid reason.
 
2013-09-18 02:50:01 PM
hobnail:
Don't buses have to stop at tracks in Canada? They all do down here, regardless of if the signal is active or not.

I always wondered why school buses ALWAYS stopped at tracks.  Aaaaaaand it's because it 1) forces drivers to notice the tracks are there, and 2) prevents them from ever trying to "nip across" ahead of the train, no matter how "safe" it seems like it would be.

/I can't believe the number of people who stop their cars on train tracks.  I just couldn't bear to do it, it's not like it inconveniences you to stop BEFORE the tracks and wait for the line of traffic to pull ahead by one car length.
 
2013-09-18 02:52:03 PM

rikkards: Not to dismiss what you said but they had pulled over and stopped in the bus lane not onto the shoulder so family were not exactly smart. Driver should still have picked up on that rather than thinking about whatever he was doing that night.
Side note, I live literally 200 yards as the crow flies from where it happened. My wife rides horses at the Equestrian Centre across Woodroffe and someone has already posted that they have seen the busses cross rather than stopping. I think what they meant was that they saw the lights go on and knew they had about 5 seconds before the gates drop and raced it.
The train goes through that area at least 4-6 times a day so this isn't an uncommon occurance and there are a large number of busses that cross those tracks. I take the bus downtown every day and they don't exactly slow down to make sure that there is no trains coming but then again that section you can see about 400-1000 yards down the track so the train didn't exactly sneak up on them and would only have been going maybe 20-30 mph when he hit it. Either he was really distracted or something happened.
Either way it is a serious tragedy that happened to close to home (literally).


I was maybe 10 minutes behind the bus (could have been on it if I'd gotten my ass out of bed on time). Pulled into the park-and-ride, nothing going on. Got out of the car, started hearing sirens. When I saw an ambulance and a police car go by onto the transitway and still heard sirens, I figured it was pretty serious. Damn near shat myself when I saw the wreckage.

Something tells me that all OC busses are now going to be stopping at that crossing from now on. I'll be very interested to see what the results of the accident investigation are and whether the driver was on auto-pilot or having a medical emergency (if there's enough of him left to tell).
 
2013-09-18 02:55:52 PM
To die by your side, is such a heavenly way to die.
 
2013-09-18 03:00:31 PM
Walker: Bullsh*t. He deliberately went around the gates. He noticed the gates and didn't want to wait. Now he's dead. How did that "not want to wait" thing work out for you eh?

wpmedia.news.nationalpost.com

Nope. Went right through it.  It's lying on the ground there on the left.
 
2013-09-18 03:01:34 PM
Wasn't there another fatality at Fallowfield within a year or two?  Not bus-related but someone getting hit by a train?

\probably will see some sort of grade separation there before too long.
 
2013-09-18 03:05:45 PM

Bedstead Polisher: hobnail: Don't buses have to stop at tracks in Canada? They all do down here, regardless of if the signal is active or not.

They do, whether there's a train or not. I think I've even see them stop when the train tracks aren't in use anymore.


That's correct. I was a school bus driver, and we were required to stop, turn off the heaters/fans/anything else that makes noise, open the window and the door, and look both ways down the track before proceeding across the line, at every rail crossing.
 
2013-09-18 03:09:34 PM

No Such Agency: hobnail:
Don't buses have to stop at tracks in Canada? They all do down here, regardless of if the signal is active or not.

I always wondered why school buses ALWAYS stopped at tracks.  Aaaaaaand it's because it 1) forces drivers to notice the tracks are there, and 2) prevents them from ever trying to "nip across" ahead of the train, no matter how "safe" it seems like it would be.

/I can't believe the number of people who stop their cars on train tracks.  I just couldn't bear to do it, it's not like it inconveniences you to stop BEFORE the tracks and wait for the line of traffic to pull ahead by one car length.


I've actually seen a sign at a crossing that reminds people not to stop on the tracks. Anyone stupid enough to do it should probably lose their license.
 
2013-09-18 03:21:04 PM
bingethinker:

I've actually seen a sign at a crossing that reminds people not to stop on the tracks. Anyone stupid enough to do it should probably lose their license.

This.  But it seems like, as a general rule, people are not particularly aware of their surroundings.
 
2013-09-18 03:22:50 PM

Stavr0: Walker: Bullsh*t. He deliberately went around the gates. He noticed the gates and didn't want to wait. Now he's dead. How did that "not want to wait" thing work out for you eh?

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Nope. Went right through it.  It's lying on the ground there on the left.


While I'm leaning towards it, that's not really indicative of him blowing through the crossing. Once the collision occurred, any number of things could have struck the gate and brought it down.

/Have seen OC Transpo buses become impatient with crossings before
 
2013-09-18 03:24:15 PM

Bedstead Polisher: hobnail: Don't buses have to stop at tracks in Canada? They all do down here, regardless of if the signal is active or not.

They do, whether there's a train or not. I think I've even see them stop when the train tracks aren't in use anymore.


Thats not the case everywhere in Canada. Drivin a school bus here in AB, only stop at uncontrolled(with a process to go through), and obviously when signals are engaged at controlled
At uncontrolled we stop pulled over abt 5m from crossing. Neutral, park brake, silencer on, open door, open front window, listen, look, then go across with window open and silencer still on
 
2013-09-18 03:27:01 PM
www.webinapage.com
Bus 62 stops for no trains
 
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