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(The Daily Beast)   The House GOP's determination to cut $40 billion from food stamps to stop "abuse" seems to stem from a Fox News segment where a "blissfully unemployed" surfer bought lobster and sushi with his EBT card. Welcome to Government by Anecdote   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 270
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2013-09-18 11:47:49 AM  
Which even if true still wouldn't be a good reason to cut SNAP benefits
 
2013-09-18 11:51:48 AM  
They want poor people to starve and live off their bootstraps. How nice of them.

Do they ever look at the statistics that show how many people receiving food benefits are working? They just don't make enough to afford food AND shelter.

Jesus. F*ck you people. You want to save money? Cut some weapons programs. Assholes.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-18 11:53:04 AM  
Yes, conservatives can't check out of a grocery store without being right behind someone buying lobster and fillet mignon lottery tickets and liquor with their SNAP card.
 
2013-09-18 11:53:13 AM  
because lobster and sushi aren't food?
 
2013-09-18 11:57:27 AM  
Not to mention veterans, who fought their wars, will be cut off.
 
2013-09-18 12:04:35 PM  

doublesecretprobation: because lobster and sushi aren't food?


Grocery store sushi isn't even that expensive.  I can get a meal size portion of California Rolls for $5 bucks at most places.

I don't know the exact rules, but I thought you couldn't buy prepared, ready-to-eat food with food stamps.  It has to be for "home preparation."  Which is why the take & bake pizza places like Papa Murphy's take EBT, but not Pizza Hut.
 
2013-09-18 12:05:43 PM  
If money's the issue, I'm really OK with my taxes going up to feed those less fortunate than myself, Republicans.

/Yeap, I'm serious.
 
2013-09-18 12:06:09 PM  

Godscrack: Not to mention veterans, who fought their wars, will be cut off.


Conservatives have already shown that they'll boo service members who have the gall to defend the country while gay, do you think they care about the ones who aren't bootstrappy enough to not be poor after they're thrown back into society with no safety net and plenty of psychological baggage?
 
2013-09-18 12:12:08 PM  

Sgt Otter: doublesecretprobation: because lobster and sushi aren't food?

Grocery store sushi isn't even that expensive.  I can get a meal size portion of California Rolls for $5 bucks at most places.

I don't know the exact rules, but I thought you couldn't buy prepared, ready-to-eat food with food stamps.  It has to be for "home preparation."  Which is why the take & bake pizza places like Papa Murphy's take EBT, but not Pizza Hut.


There is a line between Hot prepared food (so a rotissere chicken would be out)  and cold food that might sneak in sushi (even though you don;t take it home and cook it)   Also Salad bars are a grey area, but if they include hot soup or other hot items they tend to get coded so they too are excluded.

Since my wife once bought (severely marked down as they were 1 day from expiration) Tuna steaks and couscous and fresh herbs with an EBT card I'd like to formally apologize for being the source of all these rumors.   She did have the excuse that she'd scrimped and saved all month to clear a little room on the card to make me a special dinner for graduating Law school and it was the only celebration we were going to be able to have (She got sick my last year and couldn;t work, and I was commited to law clinics (for credit) for 60+ hours a weeks on top of my studies, and student loans don't anticpate wives and dependants)

Sorry everybody
 
2013-09-18 12:14:41 PM  

Sgt Otter: I don't know the exact rules, but I thought you couldn't buy prepared, ready-to-eat food with food stamps. It has to be for "home preparation." Which is why the take & bake pizza places like Papa Murphy's take EBT, but not Pizza Hut.


I'm pretty sure the barcodes are set to exclude certain items. When I worked at CVS years back, non-approved items would come up at the end and have to be paid for with cash.

What I'm saying is that there is a system in place to limit abuse. If we want to have the debate on that program and what to include/exclude, that's fine.

These jackasses just want to take a machete to the program. Man, I'll tell ya. It wasn't the parents on SNAP I saw, it was the kids. Sure, the parents are clueless and buying sh*t, but that kid or kids are f*cked and I don't think I could sleep at night if we didn't give them something. Even if it's f*cking Cheetos.

They hate food stamps, Social Security, and Medicare. Yet they claim to sit in church every Sunday and believe the word of god. Apparently, god is a real asshole.

Though, on the flipside... If they starve enough desperate people, maybe they'll grab pitchforks and rise up? Nah, they'll probably just break into our homes and steal our food.

What they really fail to see is the wage gap causing so many people to be unable to make ends meet. We have a lot of unskilled labor and no good paying jobs to put them in. Hell, remember how many people you met in the Army and you knew they'd just not make it on the outside.

Maybe a good point to bring up is how many veterans are on these programs. Then again, I know how much the GOP really cares about vets after the wars are over. Never mind.
 
2013-09-18 12:18:25 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Yet they claim to sit in church every Sunday and believe the word of god. Apparently, god is a real asshole.


Give us this day, our daily bread.

NewportBarGuy: Maybe a good point to bring up is how many veterans are on these programs


Now why didn't I think of that.
 
2013-09-18 12:22:48 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Godscrack: Not to mention veterans, who fought their wars, will be cut off.

Conservatives have already shown that they'll boo service members who have the gall to defend the country while gay, do you think they care about the ones who aren't bootstrappy enough to not be poor after they're thrown back into society with no safety net and plenty of psychological baggage?


It is significant that, during the Bush Adminstration, when we were creating wounded veterans at a record pace, and seeing the highest level of limb loss since the civil war (thus creating aumputees who would need VERY expensive care for the rest of thier lives,  THen Speaker Hastert replaced Rep Chris Smith as Chairman of the Veterans Afairs committee, for his refusal to cut the VA's budget and  "tell veterans enough is enough"

All the Chinese -made ribbon decals aside, this is who the GOP really is.  They love them some troops, until they cost money and they remeber most of them are from the lower middle classes anyway, so fark em
 
2013-09-18 12:22:49 PM  
where a "blissfully unemployed" surfer bought lobster and sushi with his EBT card.

 . . . and then lived on Ramen Noodles and burritos for the next three weeks.
 
2013-09-18 12:24:26 PM  
Just a random side note that I didnt know until recently:

A welfare recipient can walk into a Sam;s club (or other such grocery store) and buy an uncooked frozen pizza with food stamps...

But! She has to pay $1.00 out of her own pocket for them to cook it for her at the location if she doesnt have a working oven.

So apparently food stamps only apply to uncooked food as I understand it... which is sort of ironic.
 
2013-09-18 12:31:19 PM  

Magorn: Sgt Otter: doublesecretprobation: because lobster and sushi aren't food?

Grocery store sushi isn't even that expensive.  I can get a meal size portion of California Rolls for $5 bucks at most places.

I don't know the exact rules, but I thought you couldn't buy prepared, ready-to-eat food with food stamps.  It has to be for "home preparation."  Which is why the take & bake pizza places like Papa Murphy's take EBT, but not Pizza Hut.

There is a line between Hot prepared food (so a rotissere chicken would be out)  and cold food that might sneak in sushi (even though you don;t take it home and cook it)   Also Salad bars are a grey area, but if they include hot soup or other hot items they tend to get coded so they too are excluded.

Since my wife once bought (severely marked down as they were 1 day from expiration) Tuna steaks and couscous and fresh herbs with an EBT card I'd like to formally apologize for being the source of all these rumors.   She did have the excuse that she'd scrimped and saved all month to clear a little room on the card to make me a special dinner for graduating Law school and it was the only celebration we were going to be able to have (She got sick my last year and couldn;t work, and I was commited to law clinics (for credit) for 60+ hours a weeks on top of my studies, and student loans don't anticpate wives and dependants)

Sorry everybody


It's pretty depressing sometimes how even self-described liberals and progressives are pretty much ready to go all Puritan and social Darwin on the poors at the drop of a hat.

If it's something that you might enjoy, you can't have it.  And when you try to follow up the conversation by walking back the supposed extravagance to something a little more mainstream, you quickly discover that the poors don't actually 'deserve' anything.

It isn't about rewards, or deserving.  It's about pitching in to keep people from falling through the bottom of the boat.  If everybody in the boat can have steak and ice cream, then so should the people on SNAP, regardless if some lucky, condescending snot doesn't think it's a good idea for them.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-18 12:31:19 PM  

smerfnablin: But! She has to pay $1.00 out of her own pocket for them to cook it for her at the location if she doesnt have a working oven.

So apparently food stamps only apply to uncooked food as I understand it... which is sort of ironic.


If she is rich enough to own a kitchen appliance she shouldn't be on welfare!
 
2013-09-18 12:31:55 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Sgt Otter: I don't know the exact rules, but I thought you couldn't buy prepared, ready-to-eat food with food stamps. It has to be for "home preparation." Which is why the take & bake pizza places like Papa Murphy's take EBT, but not Pizza Hut.

I'm pretty sure the barcodes are set to exclude certain items. When I worked at CVS years back, non-approved items would come up at the end and have to be paid for with cash.

What I'm saying is that there is a system in place to limit abuse. If we want to have the debate on that program and what to include/exclude, that's fine.

These jackasses just want to take a machete to the program. Man, I'll tell ya. It wasn't the parents on SNAP I saw, it was the kids. Sure, the parents are clueless and buying sh*t, but that kid or kids are f*cked and I don't think I could sleep at night if we didn't give them something. Even if it's f*cking Cheetos.

They hate food stamps, Social Security, and Medicare. Yet they claim to sit in church every Sunday and believe the word of god. Apparently, god is a real asshole.

Though, on the flipside... If they starve enough desperate people, maybe they'll grab pitchforks and rise up? Nah, they'll probably just break into our homes and steal our food.

What they really fail to see is the wage gap causing so many people to be unable to make ends meet. We have a lot of unskilled labor and no good paying jobs to put them in. Hell, remember how many people you met in the Army and you knew they'd just not make it on the outside.

Maybe a good point to bring up is how many veterans are on these programs. Then again, I know how much the GOP really cares about vets after the wars are over. Never mind.


Ezekiel 16:49 (read that in Samuel L Jackson's voice)
Matthew 25: 41-42

You'd think those would come up sometime with all that bible studying and reading they do
 
2013-09-18 12:39:14 PM  
I occasionally see people pay with a Louisiana Purchase Card at Whole Foods. It doesn't bother me, but it seems like a rather poor choice of budgeting one's apparently limited means.
 
2013-09-18 12:44:13 PM  

NewportBarGuy: They just don't make enough to afford food AND shelter.


just them.  they need to choose one or the other.  poor people aren't real people anyway.  Just made up by Obama to scare is into socialism.
 
2013-09-18 12:46:24 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Godscrack: Not to mention veterans, who fought their wars, will be cut off.

Conservatives have already shown that they'll boo service members who have the gall to defend the country while gay, do you think they care about the ones who aren't bootstrappy enough to not be poor after they're thrown back into society with no safety net and plenty of psychological baggage?


Active duty service members made up a pretty significant chunk of Romney's 47% of Americans "who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it." He - and the GOP that defended Romney - didn't care.
 
2013-09-18 12:51:08 PM  
Does anybody still not understand that Fox News has been running the GOP's agenda for the last several years?
 
2013-09-18 12:53:54 PM  
I would be impressed if the good christian right would just STFU and act as if their "savior" was sitting right next to them once in a while.
 
2013-09-18 12:54:31 PM  

MrBallou: Does anybody still not understand that Fox News has been running the GOP's agenda for the last several years?


Well, the Koch Bros are running both. so....
 
2013-09-18 12:55:15 PM  
Someone on Fark once said that liberals want to expand social welfare programs because they are worried that there's someone out there who needs help but isn't getting it, while conservatives want to cut back on social welfare programs because they are worried that there's someone out there who doesn't need help but is getting it.

Whoever said that is close to the truth, but not entirely 100% accurate. Conservatives aren't worried that there's someone on welfare who doesn't NEED it, they're worried that there's someone on welfare who doesn't DESERVE it. They're fine with Trailer Park Bubba getting Social Security for being too fat to work and have no problem with giving his wife (who's so fat she makes him look anorexic) food stamps to feed themselves and their 17 home-schooled kids; but the GOP is aghast at the very notion that we should spend one thin dime to help out Laqueesha the Welfare Queen, Guadalupe the Illegal Immigrant and her Anchor Baby children, or Johnny Gatz the Disabled Iraq Veteran.

Never mind that Laqueesha doesn't exist outside of their imaginations, Guadalupe was probably brought to the US as a baby by her parents and Johnny fought in a war that the GOP themselves started and wish would never have ended -- they may need welfare and food stamps more than Bubba, but they don't DESERVE welfare and food stamps more than Bubba.

/plus, Bubba is a GOP voter, and so is his wife
//while Laqueesha, Guadalupe and Johnny are probably Democrats
///and Mr. and Mrs. Bubba would't mind seeing their benefits cut if it meant that Laqueesha, Guadalupe and Johnny also lose their benefits
 
2013-09-18 12:56:58 PM  

MrBallou: Does anybody still not understand that Fox News has been running the GOP's agenda for the last several years?


I will not stand here and let you defame a perfectly good news network!

Heh.
 
2013-09-18 01:00:57 PM  

Nabb1: I occasionally see people pay with a Louisiana Purchase Card at Whole Foods. It doesn't bother me, but it seems like a rather poor choice of budgeting one's apparently limited means.


I tend to agree, when you see that it's prbably some upper middle class person who has fallen on hard times due to unemployment or the like and simply doesn't know any better.  That, or the person is a ninja at spotting mark downs, because the high end stores tend to do much deeper discounts on day old or expiring goods than the bargain stores.  I'm much better off than I was in my law school days, but my shopping habits from them have stayed with me , and I often will hit local "uspcale cahins" like Harris Teeter, and surf for the markdown stickers, occasionally get unbelieveable deals.

In general I still remeber how utterly lucky we were in out EBT days, not only did I still have a car (which many folks don't) and a still-valid Costco memebership (that $35 membership fee can make it prohibitive-as can their large quantities of everything) but I lived in a near-perfect spot in chicago for  cheap gorcery shopping.  There was an Aldi's very near by (Trader Joes for poor people essentially-all house brands but all high quality and dirt cheap)  a Chinese market (very cheap seafood and rice)  a Mexican supermarket Chain called Del-Ray farms (Cheap chicken and pork and ridiculously low prices on seasonal produce) and a big national chain store (Jewel-Osco) which could be hit up for loss-leaders, markdowns, and for ninja couponing.

That added to  My wife's experiences gowing up poor, her culinary talents, as well as my training from my mom who clothed and fed six kids and sent us all to private school on 1 1/2 incomes, allowed us to eat decently on the $300 month she, our 5-year old and I got.  But As I said were were almost the perfect storm of favorable conditions.   How people who only have access to one IGA grocery store and maybe a Wal-Mart (like her family back in Atichson KS) Manage to do it, I have no idea.

 We may have had no money, but really we were "pretend poor" since we knew our deprivation had an end date, and we went into it with all the trappings of a middle class life to support us. Most people are nowhere near that lucky.  Still, in all I am glad of the experience.  I think I became much less of a selfish asshole because of it, and I was allowed a glimpse into a world I only thought I understood before that.  (and I learned that the folks with barely two pennies to rub togehter, on average, have more compassion, and generosity of spirit than the folks who have money leaking from their ears)
 
2013-09-18 01:04:58 PM  

sprawl15: TuteTibiImperes: Godscrack: Not to mention veterans, who fought their wars, will be cut off.

Conservatives have already shown that they'll boo service members who have the gall to defend the country while gay, do you think they care about the ones who aren't bootstrappy enough to not be poor after they're thrown back into society with no safety net and plenty of psychological baggage?

Active duty service members made up a pretty significant chunk of Romney's 47% of Americans "who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it." He - and the GOP that defended Romney - didn't care.


Last time I checked the pay for the lower rank enlisted folks qualifies them for food stamps and a number of them utilize the program, particularly if they have any dependants.  I goddamn double-dog dare anyone to call them "moochers"
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-18 01:10:32 PM  

Magorn: Last time I checked the pay for the lower rank enlisted folks qualifies them for food stamps and a number of them utilize the program, particularly if they have any dependants.  I goddamn double-dog dare anyone to call them "moochers"


Didn't Romney already take you up on that one?
 
2013-09-18 01:12:10 PM  
Next they'll go to an inner city neighborhood and find someone on welfare who just bought new rims for his Escalade just to complete the stereotype trope card.
 
2013-09-18 01:14:27 PM  
The best possible thing these idiots could do for our country is to off themselves.
 
2013-09-18 01:15:00 PM  
Whatever happened to all that government cheese?
 
2013-09-18 01:19:38 PM  

Sybarite: Whatever happened to all that government cheese?


It went into MREs we gave to Al Qaeda. It's a plot to slowly kill them with the diabeetus.

/That stuff heats up real nice on a HMMWV heater. Makes the crackers almost edible. Or mixed in with the entree. In fact, just mix everything into the entree. But, I'll cut you if you touch my lemon poppyseed cake!
 
2013-09-18 01:35:30 PM  
the program helped more than 47 million Americans-up from roughly 30 million in 2008

So the economy tanked, unemployment shot up, and SNAP enrollment increased??

This is clearly indicative of fraud.

EABOD GOP
 
2013-09-18 01:36:41 PM  

NewportBarGuy: But, I'll cut you if you touch my lemon poppyseed cake!


You can keep the lemon poppyseed cake and even have mine, but may God, Allah, Zeus, Odin, Krishna, Suwako, Jewish G_d and Ra have mercy on your soul if you so much as entertain the thought of taking even one crumb from my fudge brownie.

also, i'll take the Tabasco sauce if you're not having it
 
2013-09-18 01:38:11 PM  

smerfnablin: So apparently food stamps only apply to uncooked food as I understand it... which is sort of ironic.


Yes.  You can buy an expensive bag of fine roasted coffee beans, but a cheap cup of hot swill at 7-11 is off limits.

Yes, improvements to the system can be made.  Let's use a scalpel not a cleaver.
 
2013-09-18 01:38:52 PM  
$150 per month? Sign me up!
That is like $35 a week. Woo hoo! Its caviar, lobster and kombucha for me!
 
2013-09-18 01:42:25 PM  
Someone bought lobster with food stamps, so we're going to make sure 40 million people can't buy cheap pasta.

I swear, Republican policies are like trying to kill a fly with a shotgun.
 
2013-09-18 01:54:34 PM  
This is one of those issues where it's not a matter of "we'll agree to disagree". If you seriously think it should be a priority to starve poor people and their children because someone you don't like might eat something you think they shouldn't, you're a terrible person and I want nothing to do with you.
 
2013-09-18 01:58:14 PM  
Jesus.  I bet those farking moochers can even keep their leftover sushi from spoiling.

i.imgur.com

I mean, you're not POOR if you can avoid food poisoning, amirite?
 
2013-09-18 02:03:39 PM  
Lobster is about $2.99 a pound at the dock these days.
 
2013-09-18 02:03:41 PM  
Food stamps should only go to the truly needy.  If poor people got money to buy drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, tattoos, whores, cell phones, cable TV and internet, and all the other things that poor people spend money on, then they're not truly needy, they just got bad priorities, that's all.  Give up those other things first, and then taxpayers will feed you.  That's the way I see it, anyways.
 
2013-09-18 02:06:47 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Lobster is about $2.99 a pound at the dock these days.


Yeah, I made an awesome bisque this summer. Cheapest it ever cost me.

I'm sure you know, but they had prison riots at one time back in the olden days because the inmates were being served too much lobster. The cockroach of the sea.

But grocery store sushi? That's just beyond decadent! These people must be stopped!
 
2013-09-18 02:08:40 PM  
I don't understand why prepared food is not allowed.  It seems to me, if I was working two jobs just to get by, I might not feel like cooking most nights.  Hell, I only work one job and I can't be bothered some nights.
 
2013-09-18 02:10:00 PM  

SkinnyHead: Food stamps should only go to the truly needy.  If poor people got money to buy drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, tattoos, whores, cell phones, cable TV and internet, and all the other things that poor people spend money on, then they're not truly needy, they just got bad priorities, that's all.  Give up those other things first, and then taxpayers will feed you.  That's the way I see it, anyways.


Thanks.  I needed that.
 
2013-09-18 02:17:33 PM  
I can't even summon the energy to facepalm any more.
 
2013-09-18 02:19:09 PM  

SkinnyHead: Food stamps should only go to the truly needy.  If poor people got money to buy drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, tattoos, whores, cell phones, cable TV and internet, and all the other things that poor people spend money on, then they're not truly needy, they just got bad priorities, that's all.  Give up those other things first, and then taxpayers will feed you.  That's the way I see it, anyways.


A cell phone and internet access are pretty much must-haves these days.  If you want to apply for jobs, set up interviews, and get along in day to day life you need both.
 
2013-09-18 02:21:17 PM  

SilentStrider: I can't even summon the energy to facepalm any more.


That's because you're too lazy to facepalm any more.  With a bit less work, you'll reach the level of laziness of poor people!
 
2013-09-18 02:26:12 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: smerfnablin: So apparently food stamps only apply to uncooked food as I understand it... which is sort of ironic.

Yes.  You can buy an expensive bag of fine roasted coffee beans, but a cheap cup of hot swill at 7-11 is off limits.

Yes, improvements to the system can be made.  Let's use a scalpel not a cleaver.


I would say the focus should be on improving controls. But that would require more money. Not less.
 
2013-09-18 02:29:20 PM  

SkinnyHead: Derp.


You're so cute. Here's a quarter; go play a song on the jukebox.
 
2013-09-18 02:29:32 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: SilentStrider: I can't even summon the energy to facepalm any more.

That's because you're too lazy to facepalm any more.  With a bit less work, you'll reach the level of laziness of poor people!


*snort*
Well played.
 
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