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2013-09-18 11:27:19 AM  
As a tech support person, I can like this.
More confused people, more customers.

hang on, gotta get the phone.
 
2013-09-18 11:28:51 AM  

vudukungfu: As a tech support person, I can like this.
More confused people, more customers.

hang on, gotta get the phone.


I will like not having to install an old version so I can install a new version when a hard drive crashes.
 
2013-09-18 11:30:01 AM  
I'm just shaking my head at this point.  Microsoft couldn't have done worse if they'd actively tried to destroy the Windows franchise.
 
2013-09-18 11:44:42 AM  
Windows 8 is suffering from Vista Syndrome. It is new and different and has some issues. Instead of being given a chance to fix the issue, everyone is throwing it under the bus.
Should it work right out the box? Yes and while it is no where near perfect it does.
 
2013-09-18 11:59:58 AM  

comhcinc: Windows 8 is suffering from Vista Syndrome. It is new and different and has some issues. Instead of being given a chance to fix the issue, everyone is throwing it under the bus.
Should it work right out the box? Yes and while it is no where near perfect it does.


It was one thing to force Metro onto desktop users.  Making it incredibly ugly was another thing altogether.  Difficult to use and incredibly ugly is a bad combination.
 
2013-09-18 12:08:27 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: comhcinc: Windows 8 is suffering from Vista Syndrome. It is new and different and has some issues. Instead of being given a chance to fix the issue, everyone is throwing it under the bus.
Should it work right out the box? Yes and while it is no where near perfect it does.

It was one thing to force Metro onto desktop users.  Making it incredibly ugly was another thing altogether.  Difficult to use and incredibly ugly is a bad combination.


I have a laptop and I don't use Metro. It takes one click and I am to the normal desktop we are know and maybe love. One click is not enough for me to flip my lid as some people have. In 8.1 I will have the option to go straight to the desktop so even that one click is gone.

I don't think Metro is ugly but that is just a difference of opinion and I can see how you could think so. At the very lest it is modern and does give Microsoft a brand look.
 
2013-09-18 12:25:16 PM  

comhcinc: Windows 8 is suffering from Vista Syndrome. It is new and different and has some issues. Instead of being given a chance to fix the issue, everyone is throwing it under the bus.
Should it work right out the box? Yes and while it is no where near perfect it does.


Windows 7 worked pretty much right out of the box. Is it wrong to expect Win 8 to do the same thing?
 
2013-09-18 12:25:52 PM  
LOL, love the headline subby.
 
2013-09-18 12:27:20 PM  

Mikey1969: comhcinc: Windows 8 is suffering from Vista Syndrome. It is new and different and has some issues. Instead of being given a chance to fix the issue, everyone is throwing it under the bus.
Should it work right out the box? Yes and while it is no where near perfect it does.

Windows 7 worked pretty much right out of the box. Is it wrong to expect Win 8 to do the same thing?


Yes.  How else can Microsoft release a $olution if there isn't a problem?
 
2013-09-18 12:29:31 PM  
I've bought a new machine (DIY components) and the big brown truck is going to stop by today with it.  I've yet to mess with 8.  It will be multi-boot, but should I use 8 for primary usage or stick with 7?
 
2013-09-18 12:33:07 PM  

Sugarbombs: I've bought a new machine (DIY components) and the big brown truck is going to stop by today with it.  I've yet to mess with 8.  It will be multi-boot, but should I use 8 for primary usage or stick with 7?


Stick with 7.

My pc is Win 8, but I also have two older laptops, one with Win 7, the other XP.
 
2013-09-18 12:35:04 PM  
I'm sure its dozen apologists will be thrilled, just wait they're going to show up here soon to berate us all for not wanting change for the sake of change alone.
 
2013-09-18 12:36:28 PM  

Mikey1969: comhcinc: Windows 8 is suffering from Vista Syndrome. It is new and different and has some issues. Instead of being given a chance to fix the issue, everyone is throwing it under the bus.
Should it work right out the box? Yes and while it is no where near perfect it does.

Windows 7 worked pretty much right out of the box. Is it wrong to expect Win 8 to do the same thing?


Not quite fair, since 7 is basically a bugfixed version of Vista.  At the same time, though, it's not really a case of us not giving them a chance to fix the issues, since for me, the problems with 8 are inherent, such as the tablet/mobile-style interface.  I crap on 8 because I want my computer to be a real desktop.  If I wanted an ipad, I'd be using one.  I use a regular laptop primarily, and I want it to behave the way a real computer does.  Even if they fixed all the technical flaws, Windows 8 is a no-go for me.
 
2013-09-18 12:40:48 PM  
I don't hate Windows 8.  It's not hard to make it do what you want it to do.  It seems like it runs smoother under the hood, and none of the apps I"ve run on it seem to be having too many problems.  I'd rather go forward than back.  The Metro interface can be gotten rid of with one click.  Seems like people are having a cow over nothing.
 
2013-09-18 12:40:53 PM  

Mikey1969: comhcinc: Windows 8 is suffering from Vista Syndrome. It is new and different and has some issues. Instead of being given a chance to fix the issue, everyone is throwing it under the bus.
Should it work right out the box? Yes and while it is no where near perfect it does.

Windows 7 worked pretty much right out of the box. Is it wrong to expect Win 8 to do the same thing?


If history is any indication, it is wrong to expect Windows 8 to be worth a damn.

Windows 9, however, will be awesome.
 
2013-09-18 12:41:00 PM  
It grows on you.

/Windows 8, not hepititus
 
2013-09-18 12:47:57 PM  

Last Man on Earth: Not quite fair, since 7 is basically a bugfixed version of Vista.


BUT, they put out the Beta test version of 7 6 months before it came out and asked everyone to test it. They ended up making no changes between the release candidate and the final product, but it would have caught a LOT of the complaints about 8.


 At the same time, though, it's not really a case of us not giving them a chance to fix the issues, since for me, the problems with 8 are inherent, such as the tablet/mobile-style interface.  I crap on 8 because I want my computer to be a real desktop.  If I wanted an ipad, I'd be using one.  I use a regular laptop primarily, and I want it to behave the way a real computer does.  Even if they fixed all the technical flaws, Windows 8 is a no-go for me.

THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS... THIS!!!

I think this "universal OS" shiat is stupid, and Mac is trying the same thing. I want my desktop and laptop to perform one way, and my tablet and phone to behave another. They are totally different classes of device, and a unified OS will never work.
 
2013-09-18 12:48:39 PM  

GanjSmokr: Mikey1969: comhcinc: Windows 8 is suffering from Vista Syndrome. It is new and different and has some issues. Instead of being given a chance to fix the issue, everyone is throwing it under the bus.
Should it work right out the box? Yes and while it is no where near perfect it does.

Windows 7 worked pretty much right out of the box. Is it wrong to expect Win 8 to do the same thing?

If history is any indication, it is wrong to expect Windows 8 to be worth a damn.

Windows 9, however, will be awesome.


I'm really thinking pretty much the same thing. And in the meantime, I have both XP and Win 7 to use.
 
2013-09-18 12:50:13 PM  
The sad thing is that Windows 8 is a good OS when you ignore metro (which is still a POS by it self. The windows app store is a joke), but no they had make bonehead decisions involving Windows 8 that really hurt them.

Microsoft really needs to get its shiat together, it has the potential to make solid products but they keep making bonehead decisions that hurt them in general. Which is why in this year alone they've backpedaled over many issues. Xbox One concerns, this, Office 2013's license transfer restrictions, etc. Eventually you'd think after so many serious concerns they'd get the picture that they should change things radically for the better. Nope, seems like we can expect more of the same after Ballmer with the guy who ran Nokia into the ground taking charge potentially.
 
2013-09-18 12:52:18 PM  
I don't understand.  Why wouldn't Microsoft want people to install Windows 8 on new computers?  It sounds like they made that impossible.
 
2013-09-18 12:53:15 PM  

Mikey1969: Last Man on Earth: Not quite fair, since 7 is basically a bugfixed version of Vista.

BUT, they put out the Beta test version of 7 6 months before it came out and asked everyone to test it. They ended up making no changes between the release candidate and the final product, but it would have caught a LOT of the complaints about 8.


 At the same time, though, it's not really a case of us not giving them a chance to fix the issues, since for me, the problems with 8 are inherent, such as the tablet/mobile-style interface.  I crap on 8 because I want my computer to be a real desktop.  If I wanted an ipad, I'd be using one.  I use a regular laptop primarily, and I want it to behave the way a real computer does.  Even if they fixed all the technical flaws, Windows 8 is a no-go for me.

THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS... THIS!!!

I think this "universal OS" shiat is stupid, and Mac is trying the same thing. I want my desktop and laptop to perform one way, and my tablet and phone to behave another. They are totally different classes of device, and a unified OS will never work.


The damned desktop mode works JUST LIKE IT ALWAYS DID. Go to the desktop and you never need to use Metro.

I do not understand why people have an aversion to clicking the "desktop" tile and proceeding as normal.

If you can't handle that, and want to go the extra few inches you can download Classic Shell and have the speed and under the hood improvements of Windows 8 with the interface of Windows 7. It's free. It takes a couple seconds to download.
 
2013-09-18 12:53:23 PM  

comhcinc: Windows 8 is suffering from Vista Syndrome. It is new and different and has some issues. Instead of being given a chance to fix the issue, everyone is throwing it under the bus.
Should it work right out the box? Yes and while it is no where near perfect it does.


Vista was an unstable and unusable mess.  Windows 8 is an stable but unusable mess.

/after working with 8.1 for a couple of months I finally reformatted and reinstalled Windows 7 last weekend
//got to get work done
 
2013-09-18 12:55:07 PM  

Sugarbombs: I've bought a new machine (DIY components) and the big brown truck is going to stop by today with it.  I've yet to mess with 8.  It will be multi-boot, but should I use 8 for primary usage or stick with 7?


Don't listen to the childish histrionics of the crowd. 8 had a lot of improvements, and you DO NOT NEED to use Metro at all.

All you get if you install Windows 7 is a slower version of Windows 8 that doesn't have the Metro start menu. If you want a Windows 7 start menu, download Classic Shell.
 
2013-09-18 12:56:00 PM  

metallion: I don't hate Windows 8.  It's not hard to make it do what you want it to do.  It seems like it runs smoother under the hood, and none of the apps I"ve run on it seem to be having too many problems.  I'd rather go forward than back.  The Metro interface can be gotten rid of with one click.  Seems like people are having a cow over nothing.


This, Windows 8 runs faster/is more stable than Windows 7. That's all I needed to make the switch, and metro isn't a critical flaw.
 
2013-09-18 12:57:57 PM  
Wow, it sure is amazing to see all the windows 8 butthurt in here.  There is nothing wrong with Windows 8 and honestly, it does work the way it was supposed to and does work quite nicely out of the box.  Sure, I don't use the "Metro" interface much, as I am on the desktop 99.9% of the time, and guess what, it's just like windows 7 except I don't have that damn start button to drill down on.   The search works great.  I actually like how the "charms" work and simplify things. If I want to run a application frequently, I can either pin it to the taskbar, or create a shortcut on the desktop.   It's not that difficult to figure out.

It takes a different way to think about how you have done things over the past ~20 years with regards to the start button and honestly it makes freaking sense now.  While I did take the time to configure my start screen, it's not really required to do so, although it does make the process so much easier to use.

And my key reason as far as why I like it even in an enterprise environment?  We have some high level, non-tech people that run around with Helix's and they have figured out windows 8 in less than a week, compared to many that took a month or more to figure out windows 7 and office 2010.

That said, we won't be rolling out Windows 8 to most users anytime soon.  We first need to get off of the XP machines and get everyone up to windows 7 first, then we'd look at approaching windows 8 or better for the rest.

/if you can't figure out 8 and how nice it is, you just are lazy and stubborn
//hated it initially until I learned how the software was designed to be used, which took a small learning curve to unlearn bad habits
 
2013-09-18 12:58:02 PM  

flondrix: I don't understand.  Why wouldn't Microsoft want people to install Windows 8 on new computers?  It sounds like they made that impossible.


What's happening is 8.1 is an upgrade product from any previous versions of Windows.  If you have ever bought an upgrade disc you must have an old version to install it even if you want to format the OS you still need a previous OS installed.
 
2013-09-18 01:00:02 PM  

bbfreak: The sad thing is that Windows 8 is a good OS when you ignore metro (which is still a POS by it self. The windows app store is a joke), but no they had make bonehead decisions involving Windows 8 that really hurt them.

Microsoft really needs to get its shiat together, it has the potential to make solid products but they keep making bonehead decisions that hurt them in general. Which is why in this year alone they've backpedaled over many issues. Xbox One concerns, this, Office 2013's license transfer restrictions, etc. Eventually you'd think after so many serious concerns they'd get the picture that they should change things radically for the better. Nope, seems like we can expect more of the same after Ballmer with the guy who ran Nokia into the ground taking charge potentially.


My experience with 8 was great in that once I got rid of Metro it was a good OS. But that time and effort it took to get there destroyed the experience. I installed 8.1 and it removed a lot of the features that I had set up to get back to desktop mode. At that point I gave up. This was my 4th try on 8 on as many devices. The only decent out of the box experience I had was on a Latitude 10 seed unit from Dell.

MS should have released 3 different OS: 1 for desktop oriented on the desktop, 1 for tablet oriented on the touch interface, and one mixed (that we have) for convertibles. RT should have never shipped, especially since they had to know Haswell was on the horizon.

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, but Ballmer's decade long attempt to dismantle the company from the inside may open the door to allow there to be a major competitor for them with decent adoption percentages in the OS market, be it OSX, some Linux distro, or (doubtfully) Chrome.
 
2013-09-18 01:00:56 PM  
For work my company got me a new lap top, was able to get it from Dell preloaded with windows 7, windows 8 doesn't play nice with our accounting software MAS 90.  Like someone else said, I'll what for windows 9.
 
2013-09-18 01:02:55 PM  

yanoosh: For work my company got me a new lap top, was able to get it from Dell preloaded with windows 7, windows 8 doesn't play nice with our accounting software MAS 90.  Like someone else said, I'll what for windows 9.


Good god.. MAS 90....  May god have mercy on your soul.

And it will install and run fine on windows 8.
 
2013-09-18 01:04:13 PM  

MadMattressMack: My experience with 8 was great in that once I got rid of Metro it was a good OS. But that time and effort it took to get there destroyed the experience. I installed 8.1 and it removed a lot of the features that I had set up to get back to desktop mode. At that point I gave up. This was my 4th try on 8 on as many devices. The only decent out of the box experience I had was on a Latitude 10 seed unit from Dell.


Dude it takes 2 min to download any of the numerous desktops off of the internet and install.  I personally like https://www.pokki.com/ it's quick simple and easy.
 
2013-09-18 01:05:19 PM  
Could you always avoid the metro thing (didn't know that's what it was called) and get the normal desktop with start button?

Because when it was new, I remember using it on someone else's computer and not being able to do that. But maybe I just didn't figure it out.
 
2013-09-18 01:05:34 PM  

Da Bum: yanoosh: For work my company got me a new lap top, was able to get it from Dell preloaded with windows 7, windows 8 doesn't play nice with our accounting software MAS 90.  Like someone else said, I'll what for windows 9.

Good god.. MAS 90....  May god have mercy on your soul.

And it will install and run fine on windows 8.


If it works in 7 it works in 8.
 
2013-09-18 01:05:45 PM  
You could install the first Windows 8 upgrade as a clean install. Just install. Make a simple registry changed and it will activate
 
2013-09-18 01:06:42 PM  

Last Man on Earth: Mikey1969: comhcinc: Windows 8 is suffering from Vista Syndrome. It is new and different and has some issues. Instead of being given a chance to fix the issue, everyone is throwing it under the bus.
Should it work right out the box? Yes and while it is no where near perfect it does.

Windows 7 worked pretty much right out of the box. Is it wrong to expect Win 8 to do the same thing?

Not quite fair, since 7 is basically a bugfixed version of Vista.  At the same time, though, it's not really a case of us not giving them a chance to fix the issues, since for me, the problems with 8 are inherent, such as the tablet/mobile-style interface.  I crap on 8 because I want my computer to be a real desktop.  If I wanted an ipad, I'd be using one.  I use a regular laptop primarily, and I want it to behave the way a real computer does.  Even if they fixed all the technical flaws, Windows 8 is a no-go for me.


Back in January when I replaced my old pc (it died) I wasn't able to find a Win 7 pc so I'm not using Win 8 by choice. My biggest complaint is the Metro interface. Fine for mobile devices, but for a pc with a keyboard & mouse, not so much.
 
2013-09-18 01:06:49 PM  
thetechinterview.com
 
2013-09-18 01:08:29 PM  

yanoosh: For work my company got me a new lap top, was able to get it from Dell preloaded with windows 7, windows 8 doesn't play nice with our accounting software MAS 90.  Like someone else said, I'll what for windows 9.


If this is to be believed all you have to do is run it as administrator or turn off UAC.  http://www.s-consult.com/2013/01/17/how-to-install-sage-100-erp-to-wi n dows-8/   I mean if UAC isn't turned off already for a work computer then you better get on and turn it off.
 
2013-09-18 01:08:33 PM  

comhcinc: Windows 8 is suffering from Vista Syndrome. It is new and different and has some issues. Instead of being given a chance to fix the issue, everyone is throwing it under the bus.
Should it work right out the box? Yes and while it is no where near perfect it does.


No, windows 8 won't let me NOT restart when I'm in the middle of working on something, and I'm an administrator.
 
2013-09-18 01:09:08 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Mikey1969: Last Man on Earth: Not quite fair, since 7 is basically a bugfixed version of Vista.

BUT, they put out the Beta test version of 7 6 months before it came out and asked everyone to test it. They ended up making no changes between the release candidate and the final product, but it would have caught a LOT of the complaints about 8.


 At the same time, though, it's not really a case of us not giving them a chance to fix the issues, since for me, the problems with 8 are inherent, such as the tablet/mobile-style interface.  I crap on 8 because I want my computer to be a real desktop.  If I wanted an ipad, I'd be using one.  I use a regular laptop primarily, and I want it to behave the way a real computer does.  Even if they fixed all the technical flaws, Windows 8 is a no-go for me.

THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS... THIS!!!

I think this "universal OS" shiat is stupid, and Mac is trying the same thing. I want my desktop and laptop to perform one way, and my tablet and phone to behave another. They are totally different classes of device, and a unified OS will never work.

The damned desktop mode works JUST LIKE IT ALWAYS DID. Go to the desktop and you never need to use Metro.

I do not understand why people have an aversion to clicking the "desktop" tile and proceeding as normal.

If you can't handle that, and want to go the extra few inches you can download Classic Shell and have the speed and under the hood improvements of Windows 8 with the interface of Windows 7. It's free. It takes a couple seconds to download.


Maybe if that was an option during set up it would've worked out OK. Or an option during set up for type of unit (desktop, tablet, etc..) or OEM manufacturers setting that per MS instruction. Or a simple icon in the control panel. But they didn't do that. And the instructions you're listing are beyond at least half of computer users. So instead you end up with a poor user experience which reflects in their ability to move units.

And everyone was biatching about it during the 8 preview candidates. MS just refused to listen. That's why Start 8 was released before Windows 8 was.
 
2013-09-18 01:10:35 PM  

ikanreed: No, windows 8 won't let me NOT restart when I'm in the middle of working on something, and I'm an administrator.


Wow either i'm in a lunch coma or that line makes no sense at all.   "won't let me NOT restart" is the same as  "will not let me not restart" and I still can't figure out what you are trying to say.
 
2013-09-18 01:10:53 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Sugarbombs: I've bought a new machine (DIY components) and the big brown truck is going to stop by today with it.  I've yet to mess with 8.  It will be multi-boot, but should I use 8 for primary usage or stick with 7?

Don't listen to the childish histrionics of the crowd. 8 had a lot of improvements, and you DO NOT NEED to use Metro at all.

All you get if you install Windows 7 is a slower version of Windows 8 that doesn't have the Metro start menu. If you want a Windows 7 start menu, download Classic Shell.


This, if you are running Windows 7 and you are happy with it there is no compelling reason to upgrade for the sake of upgrading.  If you are buying a new system though Windows 8 is the way to go, if you hate metro (put me on that list) you can install classic shell and (almost) never see metro again.

Vista got dumped on mostly because of hardware support, many vendors didn't port legacy hardware drivers to the new user mode driver model and people got pissy because they couldn't use their 9 year old scanner.  There we also some growing pains with things like video drivers were performance lagged behind the more mature xp drivers but by the time Vista was in it's waning period they caught up.  Things are now better thanks to the changes brought by Vista, how often do you see a blue screen caused by a bad driver these days?
 
2013-09-18 01:12:32 PM  
The big problem with Windows 8 is that it was released 4 years too early.

I don't mean from a development/"it's too buggy" standpoint.  I mean from a level of cultural acceptance and technology saturation standpoint.

Right now, a lot of computer companies are coming out with large, touch-screen desktops that, while capable of being used with a keyboard and mouse, are also giant "tablets" that can be carried to the kitchen or the living room or whatnot (complete with batteries).  They haven't really caught on yet, but in a few years, I suspect most home desktops will be like this; those that aren't will largely be gaming machines with touchscreen monitors.

When we get to that point, interfaces like Windows 8 (being able to switch between an easy-to-use touch-based "tile" system and a full desktop OS) will be mandatory.  But the public isn't there yet.
 
2013-09-18 01:13:03 PM  

Sugarbombs: I've bought a new machine (DIY components) and the big brown truck is going to stop by today with it.  I've yet to mess with 8.  It will be multi-boot, but should I use 8 for primary usage or stick with 7?


The much, much better file-copy dialog and task manager are worth the upgrade, never mind the increased performance under the hood.
encosia.com


The start screen behaves better in 8.1, but there are third-party apps to get your start menu back if it really bothers you. I just eventually got used to it, which is generally a better idea than relying on a third-party app that uses undocumented hacks to work.
 
2013-09-18 01:13:08 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: comhcinc: Windows 8 is suffering from Vista Syndrome. It is new and different and has some issues. Instead of being given a chance to fix the issue, everyone is throwing it under the bus.
Should it work right out the box? Yes and while it is no where near perfect it does.

It was one thing to force Metro onto desktop users.  Making it incredibly ugly was another thing altogether.  Difficult to use and incredibly ugly is a bad combination.


Fark Metro.  I don't care about how they mess with desktop users, but there is no goddamn reason for Server 2012 to use Metro.  Trying to work on 100 servers, 80 of them 2008R2 and 20 of them 2012, it takes twice as long to do anything non scripted in 2012 since you have scroll to one side of the screen, get to the corner, click on metro, type in your query, select the proper box (since they have all of the options in unique boxes that are not immediately accessible via down arrow like they are in 2008R2).  Then there's the whole "hey, lets put the logout/sign out and the power off buttons in different locations.  Or the whole, lets put the start hot corner at the opposite side of the signout hot corner so if you are working in a windowed environment where you can't use Windows Key + L or CTRL+ALT+ESC, you have to scroll across the screen just to sign off the damn thing.

The GUI is completely useless in 2012.  It's pretty much a PowerShell only system at this point.  If that's the case, why bother using Windows?  Might as well use Red Hat or save money and do everything in Centos/Fedora.  I already have scripts for those environments.
"Oh, but Remote Management is so much better"
Yes WinRM 3.0 is great on the systems that are allowed to use it, but not every system is allowed to be remotely managed.

Bah, nevermind, I'm not going to bother complaining anymore, someone is sure to come up and say "well if you just make 50 new PowerShell scripts to automate everything, you'll surely find it much better than 2008R2 ever was."  Sure, I have time to rewrite every script I have and make new PowerShell scripts.  I'm not doing any other administration work, so it should be a piece of cake... or maybe I should do it during my free time.  Yup, spend some time at home doing unpaid work.  Sounds great.
 
2013-09-18 01:13:19 PM  

MadMattressMack: And the instructions you're listing are beyond at least half of computer users. So instead you end up with a poor user experience which reflects in their ability to move units.


Pressing the button that says "Desktop" is too much for most users?  How about this press the Windows key on the keyboard, or is that too much?  Do you remember 6 years ago when Office 2007 came out and people pissed and moaned and biatched like there was no tomorrow over the ribbon bar?  Windows 8 is the ribbon bar, at first you biatch and complain then you realize it's not bad if you give it a chance.
 
2013-09-18 01:14:11 PM  

TNel: If it works in 7 it works in 8.


Yep..  That's why I'm thinking bullshiat.  (unless he's referring to 32 bit windows 7, but it's an easy workaround to get that install to work in 64 bit)
 
2013-09-18 01:14:44 PM  
The reason for Windows 8 is that Microsoft actually sees the big picture, which is why they also jumped on the Smart Phone bandwagon. The windows you use on your phone will be the same as on your tablet as on your pc. In fact, given a few generations, smart phones will be as powerful as pcs and we won't bother with gargantuan 15 lb cases -- we will just have a dock we put our phone in so we can leverage the large screen of a monitor along with keyboard/mouse input.

Those calling for a different OS for different devices are failing to realizes that in a handful of years there won't be a need for different devices, only different ways to interface with those devices.
 
2013-09-18 01:15:07 PM  

comhcinc: Windows 8 is suffering from Vista Syndrome. It is new and different and has some issues. Instead of being given a chance to fix the issue, everyone is throwing it under the bus.
Should it work right out the box? Yes and while it is no where near perfect it does.


Folks aren't saying it doesn't work, they are saying that it doesn't work the way they need it to work.
When someone can't use a hammer to cut a steak, it's not the hammer's fault. Microsoft melted their knife (W7) down
and made hammers (W8) out of it, and now they're trying to put a sharp edge on the hammer.
The real solution would have been to improve the metal, improve the edge, improve the handle or how it's balanced...
make a better knife, in other words. They didn't do that, and their sales are suffering.
 
2013-09-18 01:16:15 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Back in January when I replaced my old pc (it died) I wasn't able to find a Win 7 pc so I'm not using Win 8 by choice. My biggest complaint is the Metro interface. Fine for mobile devices, but for a pc with a keyboard & mouse, not so much.


Easy fix... Press the windows key on your keyboard once you log in, and you are in the desktop.  or click on the desktop tile.   Or, wait until 8.1 and you can change the setting so it goes right to the desktop.

And it works just fine with a keyboard and mouse.  Use the scroll wheel on your mouse to move left/right.
 
2013-09-18 01:16:19 PM  

TNel: ikanreed: No, windows 8 won't let me NOT restart when I'm in the middle of working on something, and I'm an administrator.

Wow either i'm in a lunch coma or that line makes no sense at all.   "won't let me NOT restart" is the same as  "will not let me not restart" and I still can't figure out what you are trying to say.


Sounds like they are saying that they can't stop Windows from automatically restarting (probably after an update).
 
2013-09-18 01:17:54 PM  

TNel: ikanreed: No, windows 8 won't let me NOT restart when I'm in the middle of working on something, and I'm an administrator.

Wow either i'm in a lunch coma or that line makes no sense at all.   "won't let me NOT restart" is the same as  "will not let me not restart" and I still can't figure out what you are trying to say.


I'm trying to say that it will restart your damned computer no matter what you need it for in order to install updates, frequently costing you valuable time.

Oh, you know how to edit the registry and could schedule your own restarts for convenient times on previous versions of windows??  Screw you, those settings are gone.  Know how to use shutdown -a to prevent catastrophe?  Screw you, doesn't work!  Microsoft knows how you want to use your computer, and killing it in the middle of a big batch job is what a computer is supposed to do.
 
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