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2013-09-18 01:35:29 PM
Oops, forgot the link.
 
2013-09-18 01:36:21 PM

d23: Ned Stark: You think every idea the GOP has is total crap and you think they call you a leftist for merely not marching in lockstep?

Errrm. Does believing both of those at the same time ever make your brain itch?

I think their ideas are bad right now.  That doesn't imply I think every "leftist" idea is good either.  It looks like you're the one with the two sided thinking, not me.


I didn't claim they were right that you were a leftist(though you should be, we have great parties) I was questioning your reasoning about their reasoning. Having literally nothing in common is not at all similar to not marching in lockstep.
 
2013-09-18 01:38:14 PM

coeyagi: BojanglesPaladin: Lucky LaRue: I am beginning to suspect you just talk in circles until people get tired of trying to extract reason from you.

I see you just met HighonCraic :)

I love it when ConservaTrolls high five on Fark.  An angel gets its wings.... ripped the f*ck off and sold to a Chinese pillow manufacturer.


Haha plus eleventy
 
2013-09-18 01:38:43 PM

Leader O'Cola: Grungehamster: So question: if we give every individual a $7,000 deduction for health insurance (or $20,000 deduction per household). What will the 47% 43% of households that don't have a federal income tax liability increase to?

I asked the same question basically.

The cognitive dissonance train has left the station apparently.


More than 50% of households with zero federal income tax liability make less than $20K a year and are primarily able to do this due to the earned income tax credit (which is a little over $3,000 for one kid and tops out at less than $6,000 if you have three or more kids). Adding another $20,000 credit on top of that would be astounding: I'm curious if anyone will do the math on that. I'd say think of the cost, but I've been told if you suggest that a tax cut costs money you betray yourself as believing the government owns projected revenues: any future revenues are inherently a tax increase by virtue of it suggesting people will be expected to pay taxes next year too.

And that's not even including government subsides of high risk pools the proposal also apparently suggests.
 
2013-09-18 01:39:32 PM

Leader O'Cola: Grungehamster: So question: if we give every individual a $7,000 deduction for health insurance (or $20,000 deduction per household). What will the 47% 43% of households that don't have a federal income tax liability increase to?

I asked the same question basically.

The cognitive dissonance train has left the station apparently.



... crickets....
 
2013-09-18 01:41:49 PM
Roe, and his conservative cohorts, have dubbed their alternative the Healthcare Flexibility and Choices for Families Act. The bill is 200 pages compared to the Affordable Care Act's 2,700 pages.
heh. Yes, that's noteworthy.
 
2013-09-18 01:43:15 PM
Not everybody is going to be in favor of a particular course of action, that's cool with me. What pisses me the fark off is that not one person I've talked to that's against Obamacare can even begin to speak halfway intelligently on what it is they have a problem with.
 
2013-09-18 01:43:49 PM

BojanglesPaladin: AirForceVet: Sorry, Lucky LaRue, but the bill put up by the House Republicans sucks.

[Cite needed] Do you have any details on the promised plan? Two sentences hinting at some objectives? It May well be a pile of fail, but until we have some tangible details, you are just saying "I hate republicans, and whatever republicans are offering, I'm again' it!"



Here's the best I can find immediately. Alas, the House GOP didn't provide details other than simple paragraphs.

See, TAX CUTS! With vague statements included of what their plan should provide, not WILL provide.

/Sounds like more smoke & mirrors to me, dude.
 
2013-09-18 01:44:49 PM

freak7: Not everybody is going to be in favor of a particular course of action, that's cool with me. What pisses me the fark off is that not one person I've talked to that's against Obamacare can even begin to speak halfway intelligently on what it is they have a problem with.


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2013-09-18 01:47:23 PM
Lucky LaRue:  I am pretty sure I applauded the democrats who said they would be thrilled if the GOP put forward ObamaCare as their own.  It's not them I have a problem with, is it?  It's the extremist who give example after example of why they should feel justified being against any GOP proposal regardless of its content.

Liberals who oppose the imaginary "Republicans proposing policy currently proposed by Democrats" are extremists.
 
2013-09-18 01:47:49 PM

AirForceVet: BojanglesPaladin: AirForceVet: Sorry, Lucky LaRue, but the bill put up by the House Republicans sucks.

[Cite needed] Do you have any details on the promised plan? Two sentences hinting at some objectives? It May well be a pile of fail, but until we have some tangible details, you are just saying "I hate republicans, and whatever republicans are offering, I'm again' it!"


Here's the best I can find immediately. Alas, the House GOP didn't provide details other than simple paragraphs.

See, TAX CUTS! With vague statements included of what their plan should provide, not WILL provide.

/Sounds like more smoke & mirrors to me, dude.


I don't doubt the GOP bill is a pile of trash - I would be surprised if it was anything more than a rally-post for their base as they gear up for primary season.  Still, I hope the Democrats give it consideration; there may be one or two things that can be integrated into ObamaCare to make it a better law.
 
2013-09-18 01:48:01 PM

freak7: Not everybody is going to be in favor of a particular course of action, that's cool with me. What pisses me the fark off is that not one person I've talked to that's against Obamacare can even begin to speak halfway intelligently on what it is they have a problem with.


You get the same response when you ask people to name three Amendments other than the second, and to define of socialism.

...in my experience, anyway.
 
2013-09-18 01:52:55 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Mentat: Lucky LaRue: mediablitz: Offer the same thing. Call it something different. Claim victory.

The sad thing is that all the liberals would immediately start screaming about how bad the bill was for the country.

You mean like the Republicans did when Obama implemented their plan?

The important thing is that both sides are bad.


I'm sorry, I thought we were comparing something liberals might do to something the GOP actually did.  I wasn't aware hypotheticals were equal to tangibles.
 
2013-09-18 01:55:13 PM

jgbrowning: Lucky LaRue:  I am pretty sure I applauded the democrats who said they would be thrilled if the GOP put forward ObamaCare as their own.  It's not them I have a problem with, is it?  It's the extremist who give example after example of why they should feel justified being against any GOP proposal regardless of its content.

Liberals who oppose the imaginary "Republicans proposing policy currently proposed by Democrats" are extremists.


Well.. yes, that's the gist of it, anyway, though I would say "hypothetical" rather than "imaginary".  Liberals who oppose hypothetical GOP proposals that support Democrat policy are extremists.

Well done.  You get an A.
 
2013-09-18 01:55:44 PM

freak7: Not everybody is going to be in favor of a particular course of action, that's cool with me. What pisses me the fark off is that not one person I've talked to that's against Obamacare can even begin to speak halfway intelligently on what it is they have a problem with.


Insufficient downward pressure on healthcare prices and no alternative to private coverage for most people. It pretty much leaves the blodsuckers who wrecked the industry for fun and profit in charge only now its illegal not to buy their product and the state is on the hook to subsidize anyone who literally CANT pay. Its a recipe to be back at the health reform table again in 15 years trying to fix the same old budgetary and moral disaster only this time the Republicans have "a decade of gub'mint failure!!!" To wave in the air.
 
2013-09-18 01:57:56 PM
Ok, since it doesn't seem most people are talking the numbers, this AP article mentions the tax deductions. $7.5K for an individual, $20K for a family. Note this isn't some sort of cap: even if your plan costs a fraction of the deduction you get a deduction for the full amount.

Here is the breakdown of households who don't pay income tax by quintile in 2011 (the 47% year.) Even eying the numbers you can see how significantly non-payment rates would spike if taxable income dropped $20K for the average family.
 
2013-09-18 01:58:29 PM

Mentat: I'm sorry, I thought we were comparing something liberals might do to something the GOP actually did. I wasn't aware hypotheticals were equal to tangibles.


Hell if I know man.  All know is that Lucky thinks both sides are bad and that everyone disagreeing with him on anything is a liberal.
 
2013-09-18 02:00:06 PM

Lucky LaRue: coeyagi: Lucky LaRue: HighOnCraic: coeyagi: BojanglesPaladin: Lucky LaRue: I am beginning to suspect you just talk in circles until people get tired of trying to extract reason from you.

I see you just met HighonCraic :)

I love it when ConservaTrolls high five on Fark.  An angel gets its wings.... ripped the f*ck off and sold to a Chinese pillow manufacturer.

They've got their projectors on at full strength!

Your mistake is thinking I am a conservative. I think they are just as ridiculous as you are, though.  And, yes, before you trot out that tired trope, I *do* think my political views are superior to both yours and the teahadists.

I forgot.  Finding anyone owning up to being conservative on Fark is about as rare as a conservative proposing legislation that isn't related to your religion, their religion, or your reproductive system.

You make me think of the teahadist that call Mitch McConnell a RINO.  It's like anyone that disagrees with your dogma must be your opposite.  It's sad that you and the 'baggers are so blinded by hatred that you can't envision an point of view that looks on both of your political views with disdain and contempt.


Who said I was blinded by hatred?  Oh, right, you, Capt. Hyperbole.  If you are going to argue that I am making extremist comments you probably shouldn't use the same tactic, ace.
 
2013-09-18 02:00:16 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Mentat: I'm sorry, I thought we were comparing something liberals might do to something the GOP actually did. I wasn't aware hypotheticals were equal to tangibles.

Hell if I know man.  All know is that Lucky thinks both sides are bad and that everyone disagreeing with him on anything is a liberal.


I wonder who he thinks you should vote for, party wise.
 
2013-09-18 02:01:32 PM

Grungehamster: Ok, since it doesn't seem most people are talking the numbers, this AP article mentions the tax deductions. $7.5K for an individual, $20K for a family. Note this isn't some sort of cap: even if your plan costs a fraction of the deduction you get a deduction for the full amount.

Here is the breakdown of households who don't pay income tax by quintile in 2011 (the 47% year.) Even eying the numbers you can see how significantly non-payment rates would spike if taxable income dropped $20K for the average family.


but but but... it's "budget-neutral"

lmao.
 
2013-09-18 02:01:55 PM

Lucky LaRue: Triple Oak: Lucky LaRue: InmanRoshi: Lucky LaRue: mediablitz: Offer the same thing. Call it something different. Claim victory.

The sad thing is that all the liberals would immediately start screaming about how bad the bill was for the country.

 I'm  listening to any serious proposal or solution with an open mind.     I've just yet to hear a serious proposal.

It's a shame too, because the catastrophy of a healthcare system we have in this country is a very complex problem that needs a lot of different voices looking at it from a lot of different points of view and offering a lot of different solutions.    Too bad the GOP couldn't put on their big boy pants and come to the table like grownups in 2009.

I don't get it.  You say you are listening with an open mind, but in the next breath you are antagonizing your opponents.  Would you want to sit down across the table with someone who talks down to you like you're a child?

Republicans have been lying through their teeth regarding their intents in Congress. "Laser-like focus on jobs", etc. Proof is there, they're trying a 42nd time to repeal a plan they created without putting a serious contender for a replacement, or an argument as to why it's so bad it needs repealing with the aforementioned laser-like effort (or lazer, if you prefer). If they came out and said they have a plan for the people to consider, and it was a serious, thought-out plan to help all Americans, it would be very easy to look at the plan without judgment for the offeree and at the very least see what their idea is. Nope, needs repealing, government shutdown looming but still pushing "priorities" around, no serious budget balancing discussions to be had.

I'll take your argument about everything bad Republicans have done prima facie.  Just don't tell me how open minded you are and how willing you are to listen to their points of view while making that argument, ok?


I'm one of the people who will watch what you do and compare it to what you say. It's hard to forget history but it's not impossible for someone to have a change of heart. What I see from the Republicans now is more baseless party support and spinning wheels. If an individual Republican came out and said something intelligent about a policy or suggested a change that would be more beneficial than what's out there, I'll stop and listen. Even if it's just a moment of clarity, it's still worthy of discussion. It's easy to make blanket statements about a party or political movement when there aren't any individuals who are making a positive difference. That's the beauty of free-thinking human beings; we can have these discussions intelligently when we choose to. I'm very open-minded, but I prefer to see results or at least proposed steps in the right direction.
 
2013-09-18 02:04:37 PM

Lucky LaRue: jgbrowning: Lucky LaRue:  I am pretty sure I applauded the democrats who said they would be thrilled if the GOP put forward ObamaCare as their own.  It's not them I have a problem with, is it?  It's the extremist who give example after example of why they should feel justified being against any GOP proposal regardless of its content.

Liberals who oppose the imaginary "Republicans proposing policy currently proposed by Democrats" are extremists.

Well.. yes, that's the gist of it, anyway, though I would say "hypothetical" rather than "imaginary".  Liberals who oppose hypothetical GOP proposals that support Democrat policy are extremists.

Well done.  You get an A.


I support Obamacare because it's coming from Democrats.

I would oppose Obamacare if it was coming from Republicans.

I would oppose it were it coming from Republicans because I would at that time be supporting the more liberal and even better plan that would be coming from Democrats were Obamacare actually being proposed and supported by conservatives.

My lack of supporting Obamacare were it being put forth by the Republicans isn't an example of extremism, it's an example of realism.

Realistically, were your hypothetical Republicans doing what you're postulating, there *would be a better option* than that being put forth by those hypothetical Republicans. Generally speaking, Republicans put forth shiatty ideas when compared to all the ideas available at any single moment and Democrats put forth slightly less shiatty ideas.
 
2013-09-18 02:05:24 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Mentat: I'm sorry, I thought we were comparing something liberals might do to something the GOP actually did. I wasn't aware hypotheticals were equal to tangibles.

Hell if I know man.  All know is that Lucky thinks both sides are bad and that everyone disagreeing with him on anything is a liberal.


The most unfortunate part of this whole discussion is that people with your mindset seem to think there are only two sides:  Extreme Left and Extreme Right.  Both of these sides are bad.  Bad for the country, bad for society, and probably the reason prime-time TV sucks, too.  Fortunately, this is a contrived dichotomy and there is a superior way to approach politics that doesn't include a primary-school understanding of good-vs-evil and right-vs-wrong.

And, I am sorry if you think I am lumping people who disagree with this assessment as "liberal", but if you encourage some teahadist to come in to this thread, I'll show my contempt for them, too.
 
2013-09-18 02:07:49 PM
Tax cuts so you can buy insurance
Tort reform
HSA
Purchase insurance across state lines


The whole thing is weak, old, tried, and late.  They even trot out the old "increased competition will lower costs".  It stinks on ice.
 
2013-09-18 02:09:28 PM

Heliovdrake: Go ahead, name something of value that the GOP as a whole has done in the last 4.5 years.


Largely responsible for the first black two-term President.  That's pretty cool.   Also boosted the ratings of the Daily Show and Colbert Report.  Increase in atheism in the US, maybe?

//Oh, did you mean intentionally done?
 
2013-09-18 02:09:37 PM

coeyagi: Who said I was blinded by hatred? Oh, right, you, Capt. Hyperbole. If you are going to argue that I am making extremist comments you probably shouldn't use the same tactic, ace.


My bad.. you exude love

I love it when ConservaTrolls high five on Fark.  An angel gets its wings.... ripped the f*ck off and sold to a Chinese pillow manufacturer.

You do realize that is how you lose elections and lose faith, right?  By being a worthless sack of obstructionist douchebags for 4.5 years.  I mean, we'll take a look and listen to what they have to say, but ultimately why would we think - without seeing it yet - that it would do anything but help HMOs and doctors more and regular people less?  They have done nothing for anyone in the lower classes except sh*t on their faces.

Why do you enjoy having your face sh*t upon?
 
2013-09-18 02:10:11 PM

Soup4Bonnie: Tax cuts so you can buy insurance
Tort reform
HSA
Purchase insurance across state lines


The whole thing is weak, old, tried, and late.  They even trot out the old "increased competition will lower costs".  It stinks on ice.


Yeah, unless we give the Federal Government more authority in our daily lives, it's gonna flop! hurrrrrrrrrrrr!
 
2013-09-18 02:10:39 PM

Lucky LaRue: The most unfortunate part of this whole discussion is that people with your mindset seem to think there are only two sides:  Extreme Left and Extreme Right.


Awesome, you light that strawman on fire, dude! Kick its imaginary ass! You're so superior to it!
 
2013-09-18 02:11:54 PM

Aristocles: Soup4Bonnie: Tax cuts so you can buy insurance
Tort reform
HSA
Purchase insurance across state lines


The whole thing is weak, old, tried, and late.  They even trot out the old "increased competition will lower costs".  It stinks on ice.

Yeah, unless we give the Federal Government more authority in our daily lives, it's gonna flop! hurrrrrrrrrrrr!


You can always opt out.
 
2013-09-18 02:12:44 PM

Lucky LaRue: Liberals who


Again, name me these Liberals.  Then we'll match them up to their voting records and see how much water you're carrying for the pseudo-conservatives.
 
2013-09-18 02:12:51 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Lucky LaRue: The most unfortunate part of this whole discussion is that people with your mindset seem to think there are only two sides:  Extreme Left and Extreme Right.

Awesome, you light that strawman on fire, dude! Kick its imaginary ass! You're so superior to it!


That's not a strawman, that's straight-up empirical observation.  And, you are right - when it comes to the extremist on the left and on the right, my political views are superior.
 
2013-09-18 02:14:59 PM

2wolves: Again, name me these Liberals. Then we'll match them up to their voting records and see how much water you're carrying for the pseudo-conservatives.


Uh.. "pseudo-conservative" would imply a "false" conservative.  I'm pretty sure you were going for something else, so I'll let you have another go at it, if you'd like.
 
2013-09-18 02:15:21 PM
Lucky LaRue:
Sorry, man - you're starting to ramble and I couldn't make out your point there.  Could you tighten up your argument a little?

Favorited!
 
2013-09-18 02:15:22 PM

Lucky LaRue: straight-up empirical observation


Bushwa.  Take a look at the last national election and see the number of votes for the Socialist party or the Communist party in the U.S..

You're lying.
 
2013-09-18 02:16:23 PM

freak7: What pisses me the fark off is that not one person I've talked to that's against Obama care can even begin to speak halfway intelligently on what it is they have a problem with.


/ftfy
 
2013-09-18 02:16:40 PM

Lucky LaRue: 2wolves: Again, name me these Liberals. Then we'll match them up to their voting records and see how much water you're carrying for the pseudo-conservatives.

Uh.. "pseudo-conservative" would imply a "false" conservative.  I'm pretty sure you were going for something else, so I'll let you have another go at it, if you'd like.


Not at all.  There is a definition that has been around since the late sixties.

Would you like to know more?


/anyone else smelling internet dentist?
 
2013-09-18 02:20:21 PM

2wolves: Lucky LaRue: 2wolves: Again, name me these Liberals. Then we'll match them up to their voting records and see how much water you're carrying for the pseudo-conservatives.

Uh.. "pseudo-conservative" would imply a "false" conservative.  I'm pretty sure you were going for something else, so I'll let you have another go at it, if you'd like.

Not at all.  There is a definition that has been around since the late sixties.

Would you like to know more?


/anyone else smelling internet dentist?


Seriously, dude.  I think you might be having a stroke or something.  If you have friends or family around, ask them to take you to see a doctor.
 
2013-09-18 02:20:47 PM

2wolves: Lucky LaRue: straight-up empirical observation

Bushwa.  Take a look at the last national election and see the number of votes for the Socialist party or the Communist party in the U.S..

You're lying.


The Communist party endorsed Obama, so you could say that they won.
 
2013-09-18 02:21:15 PM

Lucky LaRue: cameroncrazy1984: Lucky LaRue: The most unfortunate part of this whole discussion is that people with your mindset seem to think there are only two sides:  Extreme Left and Extreme Right.

Awesome, you light that strawman on fire, dude! Kick its imaginary ass! You're so superior to it!

That's not a strawman, that's straight-up empirical observation.  And, you are right - when it comes to the extremist on the left and on the right, my political views are superior.


You mean the ones that basically only exist in your head. If it's empirical observation, where is your data?
 
2013-09-18 02:22:24 PM

Lucky LaRue: AirForceVet: BojanglesPaladin: AirForceVet: Sorry, Lucky LaRue, but the bill put up by the House Republicans sucks.

[Cite needed] Do you have any details on the promised plan? Two sentences hinting at some objectives? It May well be a pile of fail, but until we have some tangible details, you are just saying "I hate republicans, and whatever republicans are offering, I'm again' it!"


Here's the best I can find immediately. Alas, the House GOP didn't provide details other than simple paragraphs.

See, TAX CUTS! With vague statements included of what their plan should provide, not WILL provide.

/Sounds like more smoke & mirrors to me, dude.

I don't doubt the GOP bill is a pile of trash - I would be surprised if it was anything more than a rally-post for their base as they gear up for primary season.  Still, I hope the Democrats give it consideration; there may be one or two things that can be integrated into ObamaCare to make it a better law.


That would require the Republicans to work with the Democrats to improve ACA. They have stated time and time again that they have no interest in doing so. To paraphrase YOU, it is pretty hard to find common ground with a side that believes it is their purpose in life to kill off your signature legislation. Once again, your argument is invalid.
 
2013-09-18 02:25:12 PM

Lucky LaRue: Well.. yes, that's the gist of it, anyway, though I would say "hypothetical" rather than "imaginary".  Liberals who oppose hypothetical GOP proposals that support Democrat policy are extremists.


Lucky LaRue: I don't doubt the GOP bill is a pile of trash

And, we're through the looking glass, here, people.
 
2013-09-18 02:26:07 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Lucky LaRue: The most unfortunate part of this whole discussion is that people with your mindset seem to think there are only two sides:  Extreme Left and Extreme Right.

Awesome, you light that strawman on fire, dude! Kick its imaginary ass! You're so superior to it!



What's particularly amusing is that the above line follows this exchange:

Lucky LaRue: d23:
Right now I am considered a dirty leftist because I think that every idea (or lack of) of the GOP is total crap.
Again, being a "leftist" to these folks means I don't agree with their point of view in lockstep.
No, you are a "leftist" because you think "every idea (or lack of) of the GOP is total crap".


...which is, itself, an explicit statement that being opposed to either side makes one necessarily of the other.  No third option given; mere categorical disagreement is sufficient.  He's managed to chase the argument full circle, to the point of biting his own ass.
 
2013-09-18 02:26:14 PM

freak7: Not everybody is going to be in favor of a particular course of action, that's cool with me. What pisses me the fark off is that not one person I've talked to that's against Obamacare can even begin to speak halfway intelligently on what it is they have a problem with.


Maybe you're running into people who oppose it because they dislike the president. That's bound to happen from time to time.

I'll give you my headaches with it:

- It played out like a premium grab
- It's going to be difficult on self-employed people
- Added a layer of bureaucracy to the mix
- Doesn't address cost of care issues
- Intrudes on Doctor/Patient relationships
- Going to be a fustercluck to manage

Having said that, no, I don't have a solution. Wish I did.
 
2013-09-18 02:27:16 PM

Deucednuisance: Lucky LaRue: Well.. yes, that's the gist of it, anyway, though I would say "hypothetical" rather than "imaginary".  Liberals who oppose hypothetical GOP proposals that support Democrat policy are extremists.

Lucky LaRue: I don't doubt the GOP bill is a pile of trash

And, we're through the looking glass, here, people.


You don't even try, do you?
 
2013-09-18 02:29:27 PM

Wasteland: cameroncrazy1984: Lucky LaRue: The most unfortunate part of this whole discussion is that people with your mindset seem to think there are only two sides:  Extreme Left and Extreme Right.

Awesome, you light that strawman on fire, dude! Kick its imaginary ass! You're so superior to it!


What's particularly amusing is that the above line follows this exchange:

Lucky LaRue: d23:
Right now I am considered a dirty leftist because I think that every idea (or lack of) of the GOP is total crap.
Again, being a "leftist" to these folks means I don't agree with their point of view in lockstep.
No, you are a "leftist" because you think "every idea (or lack of) of the GOP is total crap".

...which is, itself, an explicit statement that being opposed to either side makes one necessarily of the other.  No third option given; mere categorical disagreement is sufficient.  He's managed to chase the argument full circle, to the point of biting his own ass.


Your logic skills are truly amazing.  Farcical, yes, but amazing nonetheless.
 
2013-09-18 02:29:30 PM

Wasteland: cameroncrazy1984: Lucky LaRue: The most unfortunate part of this whole discussion is that people with your mindset seem to think there are only two sides:  Extreme Left and Extreme Right.

Awesome, you light that strawman on fire, dude! Kick its imaginary ass! You're so superior to it!


What's particularly amusing is that the above line follows this exchange:

Lucky LaRue: d23:
Right now I am considered a dirty leftist because I think that every idea (or lack of) of the GOP is total crap.
Again, being a "leftist" to these folks means I don't agree with their point of view in lockstep.
No, you are a "leftist" because you think "every idea (or lack of) of the GOP is total crap".

...which is, itself, an explicit statement that being opposed to either side makes one necessarily of the other.  No third option given; mere categorical disagreement is sufficient.  He's managed to chase the argument full circle, to the point of biting his own ass.


It's like a mobius strip of ass-biting.

/I'm getting an acid flashback here
 
2013-09-18 02:30:49 PM

Wasteland: cameroncrazy1984: Lucky LaRue: The most unfortunate part of this whole discussion is that people with your mindset seem to think there are only two sides:  Extreme Left and Extreme Right.

Awesome, you light that strawman on fire, dude! Kick its imaginary ass! You're so superior to it!


What's particularly amusing is that the above line follows this exchange:

Lucky LaRue: d23:
Right now I am considered a dirty leftist because I think that every idea (or lack of) of the GOP is total crap.
Again, being a "leftist" to these folks means I don't agree with their point of view in lockstep.
No, you are a "leftist" because you think "every idea (or lack of) of the GOP is total crap".

...which is, itself, an explicit statement that being opposed to either side makes one necessarily of the other.  No third option given; mere categorical disagreement is sufficient.  He's managed to chase the argument full circle, to the point of biting his own ass.


That is a very good point. According to his logic, you cannot disagree with the GOP without being liberal, and yet HE HIMSELF states that he disagrees with the GOP.
 
2013-09-18 02:31:40 PM

Lucky LaRue: Your logic skills are truly amazing.  Farcical, yes, but amazing nonetheless.


Come on, where's all this empiric evidence that makes you so superior to us? Is it a pdf or Excel spreadsheet?
 
2013-09-18 02:35:20 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Wasteland: cameroncrazy1984: Lucky LaRue: The most unfortunate part of this whole discussion is that people with your mindset seem to think there are only two sides:  Extreme Left and Extreme Right.

Awesome, you light that strawman on fire, dude! Kick its imaginary ass! You're so superior to it!


What's particularly amusing is that the above line follows this exchange:

Lucky LaRue: d23:
Right now I am considered a dirty leftist because I think that every idea (or lack of) of the GOP is total crap.
Again, being a "leftist" to these folks means I don't agree with their point of view in lockstep.
No, you are a "leftist" because you think "every idea (or lack of) of the GOP is total crap".

...which is, itself, an explicit statement that being opposed to either side makes one necessarily of the other.  No third option given; mere categorical disagreement is sufficient.  He's managed to chase the argument full circle, to the point of biting his own ass.

That is a very good point. According to his logic, you cannot disagree with the GOP without being liberal, and yet HE HIMSELF states that he disagrees with the GOP.


Wow.. you really are reaching, now.  At least take my comment out of your reply before you manipulate it to make it say something that supports your argument, dude.
 
2013-09-18 02:35:46 PM
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