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vpb [TotalFark]
2013-09-18 12:16:41 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Also, you might want to review the teabagger 2010 election results which were among other things, a response to ACA. Also worth reviewing that while you can get numbers if you ask about a particular piece of ACA (and there ARE some really good reforms in the turdpile), the overall popularity is not exactly overwhelming.


Yes, you can pretty much get the numbers for EACH piece of the ACA.  The reason people are worried about is is that they keep hearing about all the bad things in it.  Of course, those bad things don't exist, but that's how spin works.

It was the same with Social Security and Medicare.  Once the law comes into effect it will become a political third rail like Social security.
 
2013-09-18 12:16:44 PM

HighOnCraic: coeyagi: BojanglesPaladin: Lucky LaRue: I am beginning to suspect you just talk in circles until people get tired of trying to extract reason from you.

I see you just met HighonCraic :)

I love it when ConservaTrolls high five on Fark.  An angel gets its wings.... ripped the f*ck off and sold to a Chinese pillow manufacturer.

They've got their projectors on at full strength!


Your mistake is thinking I am a conservative.  I think they are just as ridiculous as you are, though.  And, yes, before you trot out that tired trope, I *do* think my political views are superior to both yours and the teahadists.
 
2013-09-18 12:16:56 PM
Has any Republican advocated for repealing the law that forces hospitals to treat people in an emergency regardless of their ability to pay? Because you can scream all you want about the free market, that law proves that there is a greater moral imperative to provide health care to people. It's a pretty significant mandate that's overlooked in these arguments.

Until you're ready to let people die on the streets because a hospital ran their credit first, there can't be any meaningful cost savings from free market solutions. It's already an inherently socialistic system. We're just paying for it in the most inefficient way.
 
2013-09-18 12:17:20 PM

Lucky LaRue: theknuckler_33: Lucky LaRue: This is what I least enjoy about talking with your lot.  You get so overwrought you can't even put forward ideas; you just start throwing out insults and celebrating a "score."

Says the person whose boobies was "The sad thing is that all the liberals would immediately start screaming about how bad the bill was for the country. "

At least it was an *idea*, and not this inarticulate shiat-slinging that you guys have been doing.  I've seen a lot of posts in here where people have claimed they'd be thrilled if the Republicans put forward a bill that's exactly like Obamacare, and that's pretty cool.  Unfortunately, I'm down here in the mud with you nit-wits, listening to you argue why you would be justified hating conservatives, no matter what they did.


Your 'idea' was to predict future behavior by 'all the liberals' and then criticize them for that as-yet-to-happen behavior? I have yet to see one post from anyone suggesting that if Republicans put forward a bill that was exactly like Obamacare that they would hate it.
 
2013-09-18 12:18:59 PM
AirForceVet:

I believe the real issue is the Democrats have introduced the ACA that, once implemented, will become popular like Social Security and Medicare are now. That's why the Republicans are fighting tooth and nail to prevent it from full deployment. ObamaCare will make the GOP look like fools.

Also, IMHO, I strongly suspect that the GOP leaders are terrified when the majority of American people realize what President Obama has done with creating ObamaCare, that majority will realize an African-American could be a great President for all the people.


i1002.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-18 12:19:08 PM

theknuckler_33: BojanglesPaladin: "The RSC press release announcing the bill's introduction included no hints of what the legislation might contain."

Until then, there is nothing to discuss. Just threads full of 'OMG I hate repubs'!!elevenses!!1!!

Scalise didn't give a lot of details during that phone call , but said the bill would include protections for people with pre-existing conditions - one of the main benefits of Obamacare.
"We address that to make sure that people with pre-existing conditions cannot be discriminated against," he said.
He promised, however, that it would not "put in place mandates that increase the costs of health care and push people out of the insurance that they like."


Plenty to discuss.


From what I've read so far, they want to allow people with PREX who already have insurance to be able to go to another company if they want to. Basically every state already allows this. It really does nothing to help the people who already lack insurance, and it will probably hurt them since interstate sales will encourage insurance companies to consolidate in a state like Nebraska that can permanently ban coverage for people with PREX that happened at any point in their lifetime.
 
2013-09-18 12:19:15 PM

Mentat: Lucky LaRue: mediablitz: Offer the same thing. Call it something different. Claim victory.

The sad thing is that all the liberals would immediately start screaming about how bad the bill was for the country.

You mean like the Republicans did when Obama implemented their plan?


The important thing is that both sides are bad.
 
2013-09-18 12:19:42 PM

vpb: It was the same with Social Security and Medicare. Once the law comes into effect it will become a political third rail like Social security.


Keep your government hands off my Obamacare.
 
2013-09-18 12:19:54 PM

Voiceofreason01: mediablitz: Offer the same thing. Call it something different. Claim victory.

or the same thing with half the benefits


Offer the same thing only get rid of a good part of the benefit for poor people then call it a GOP masterpiece.
 
2013-09-18 12:20:12 PM

theknuckler_33: I have yet to see one post from anyone suggesting that if Republicans put forward a bill that was exactly like Obamacare that they would hate it.


Then you aren't very good at reading comprehension.
 
2013-09-18 12:20:29 PM

Lucky LaRue: HighOnCraic: coeyagi: BojanglesPaladin: Lucky LaRue: I am beginning to suspect you just talk in circles until people get tired of trying to extract reason from you.

I see you just met HighonCraic :)

I love it when ConservaTrolls high five on Fark.  An angel gets its wings.... ripped the f*ck off and sold to a Chinese pillow manufacturer.

They've got their projectors on at full strength!

Your mistake is thinking I am a conservative.  I think they are just as ridiculous as you are, though.  And, yes, before you trot out that tired trope, I *do* think my political views are superior to both yours and the teahadists.


Haha! The Farklibs are eating their own again! Real funny stuff... angels and whatnot!
 
2013-09-18 12:21:17 PM

Lucky LaRue: Your mistake is thinking I am a conservative.  I think they are just as ridiculous as you are, though.  And, yes, before you trot out that tired trope, I *do* think my political views are superior to both yours and the teahadists.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-18 12:21:38 PM

theknuckler_33: Your 'idea' was to predict future behavior by 'all the liberals' and then criticize them for that as-yet-to-happen behavior? I have yet to see one post from anyone suggesting that if Republicans put forward a bill that was exactly like Obamacare that they would hate it.


There would be lots of liberals that would hate Obamacare if put forth by Republicans. 'Course, those same liberals also hate Obamacare as put forth by Obama. In my experience, most liberals realize Obamacare is better than what we had before, but not as good as what we really should have.

And the reason we don't have what we really should have is Derp.
 
2013-09-18 12:22:04 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Mentat: Lucky LaRue: mediablitz: Offer the same thing. Call it something different. Claim victory.

The sad thing is that all the liberals would immediately start screaming about how bad the bill was for the country.

You mean like the Republicans did when Obama implemented their plan?

The important thing is that both sides are bad.


I think this may be the most cogent thing a liberal has said in this thread.  Yes, both sides *are* bad, which is the unfortunate outcome whenever both sides are extremist only interested in demonizing the other.
 
2013-09-18 12:22:09 PM

Lucky LaRue: mediablitz: Offer the same thing. Call it something different. Claim victory.

The sad thing is that all the liberals would immediately start screaming about how bad the bill was for the country.


They'd be right.
 
2013-09-18 12:22:13 PM

theknuckler_33: Lucky LaRue: theknuckler_33: Lucky LaRue: This is what I least enjoy about talking with your lot.  You get so overwrought you can't even put forward ideas; you just start throwing out insults and celebrating a "score."

Says the person whose boobies was "The sad thing is that all the liberals would immediately start screaming about how bad the bill was for the country. "

At least it was an *idea*, and not this inarticulate shiat-slinging that you guys have been doing.  I've seen a lot of posts in here where people have claimed they'd be thrilled if the Republicans put forward a bill that's exactly like Obamacare, and that's pretty cool.  Unfortunately, I'm down here in the mud with you nit-wits, listening to you argue why you would be justified hating conservatives, no matter what they did.

Your 'idea' was to predict future behavior by 'all the liberals' and then criticize them for that as-yet-to-happen behavior? I have yet to see one post from anyone suggesting that if Republicans put forward a bill that was exactly like Obamacare that they would hate it.


*raises hand*  Actually, one guy did say what he would do if the Republicans proposed single-payer universal coverage, but he said he would support them.  Does that count for partial credit?

Lucky LaRue: Unfortunately, I'm down here in the mud with you nit-wits


We'll have to settle on you being "a person whose opinion is different from ours".
 
2013-09-18 12:22:23 PM

Aristocles: vpb: Aristocles: No one cares who came up with the idea, the problem is that it's an affront to individual freedom.

Fark individual freedom.  People created society for a reason, because anarchy sucks.

Besides, you're "individual freedom" is more about scamming the rest of us into paying for your health care.

Obamacare will force the well-to-do to pay for my health care. But I believe that freedom is more important.

btw, I'm somewhat of an anarchist... or so I've been told.


Anarchists tend not to march in lockstep, no matter what your mom told you.
 
2013-09-18 12:22:25 PM
I'm not a fan of the "potato" pics that are posted to show how stupid someone is. The guy in the photo is a human being. He had no control over his circumstances.


/My $.02
//end threadjack
 
2013-09-18 12:22:37 PM

Lucky LaRue: I'm down here in the mud with you nit-wits


oh holy sh*t you can't be for real
 
2013-09-18 12:22:56 PM

AirForceVet: I believe the real issue is the Democrats have introduced the ACA that, once implemented, will become popular like Social Security and Medicare are now. That's why the Republicans are fighting tooth and nail to prevent it from full deployment. ObamaCare will make the GOP look like fools.


There you go.  It will become the standard and they have gone down adamantly against it.  See also gay marriage, global climate change and other things I don't feel like listing because I want to go get coffee.
 
2013-09-18 12:23:12 PM

Aristocles: Lucky LaRue: HighOnCraic: coeyagi: BojanglesPaladin: Lucky LaRue: I am beginning to suspect you just talk in circles until people get tired of trying to extract reason from you.

I see you just met HighonCraic :)

I love it when ConservaTrolls high five on Fark.  An angel gets its wings.... ripped the f*ck off and sold to a Chinese pillow manufacturer.

They've got their projectors on at full strength!

Your mistake is thinking I am a conservative.  I think they are just as ridiculous as you are, though.  And, yes, before you trot out that tired trope, I *do* think my political views are superior to both yours and the teahadists.

Haha! The Farklibs are eating their own again! Real funny stuff... angels and whatnot!


Im starting to miss skinnyhead..

At least he was amusing,
 
2013-09-18 12:24:41 PM

Mike_LowELL: I am in full support of this bill.  I can't wait to see what they propose in the bill.


I've missed you.

+1
 
2013-09-18 12:24:52 PM

born_yesterday: theknuckler_33: Lucky LaRue: theknuckler_33: Lucky LaRue: This is what I least enjoy about talking with your lot. You get so overwrought you can't even put forward ideas; you just start throwing out insults and celebrating a "score."

Says the person whose boobies was "The sad thing is that all the liberals would immediately start screaming about how bad the bill was for the country. "

At least it was an *idea*, and not this inarticulate shiat-slinging that you guys have been doing. I've seen a lot of posts in here where people have claimed they'd be thrilled if the Republicans put forward a bill that's exactly like Obamacare, and that's pretty cool. Unfortunately, I'm down here in the mud with you nit-wits, listening to you argue why you would be justified hating conservatives, no matter what they did.

Your 'idea' was to predict future behavior by 'all the liberals' and then criticize them for that as-yet-to-happen behavior? I have yet to see one post from anyone suggesting that if Republicans put forward a bill that was exactly like Obamacare that they would hate it.

*raises hand* Actually, one guy did say what he would do if the Republicans proposed single-payer universal coverage, but he said he would support them. Does that count for partial credit?


I would shiat a solid gold brick if the Republicans in Congress proposed Medicare for All, and I guarantee you I would be calling all of my federal representatives repeatedly to let them know I supported that plan.
 
2013-09-18 12:25:00 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Everyone's insurance continues to go up year over year,


For the previous 2 years, the increase has drastically slowed. From 01 to 10, it was climbing over 8% per year, last 2 years only 5%.
 
2013-09-18 12:25:54 PM

Wooly Bully: Lucky LaRue: I'm down here in the mud with you nit-wits

oh holy sh*t you can't be for real


He's got to be trolling.  Reelin' the bites tho.
 
2013-09-18 12:26:40 PM
The problem for conservatives is that, for political reasons, they've made it impossible to come up with a health plan. Obamcare is, pretty much, the conservative way to ensure universal health insurance coverage. All the other options either (i) don't cover everyone or (ii) are more liberal. So they are screwed.
 
2013-09-18 12:26:51 PM

Lucky LaRue: Satanic_Hamster: Mentat: Lucky LaRue: mediablitz: Offer the same thing. Call it something different. Claim victory.

The sad thing is that all the liberals would immediately start screaming about how bad the bill was for the country.

You mean like the Republicans did when Obama implemented their plan?

The important thing is that both sides are bad.

I think this may be the most cogent thing a liberal has said in this thread.  Yes, both sides *are* bad, which is the unfortunate outcome whenever both sides are extremist only interested in demonizing the other.


...said the guy complaining about the behavior of imaginary liberals in his head.
 
2013-09-18 12:27:29 PM
1. Don't get sick.
2. If you do, pull yourself up to health with your own bootstraps.
3. Tax cuts.

/Step 3 is ALWAYS tax cuts.
 
2013-09-18 12:28:05 PM
PS: I look forward to paying less that $100 per month for health care.
 
2013-09-18 12:28:35 PM

AirForceVet: [citation needed]


Citation is that I said it. I believe it to be so. You do not have to agree, but you should not have to have "opinion" explained to you.

theknuckler_33: Plenty to discuss.


Do you have any details on the promised plan? Two sentences hinting at some objectives? It May well be a pile of fail, but until we have some tangible details, it's all just speculative partisan poo slinging. (Personally, I'm dubious that they have somehow formulated a winning alternative just now that somehow evaded them for the last 6 years).

vpb: Of course, those bad things don't exist, but that's how spin works.


Really? You genuinely believe there are NO bad parts of ACA? You honestly think that ACA is flawless, and will fix all that was broken with the healthcare system? I just want to know so I can identify if I am dealing with a rational actor here.

AirForceVet: Sorry, Lucky LaRue, but the bill put up by the House Republicans sucks.


[Cite needed] Do you have any details on the promised plan? Two sentences hinting at some objectives? It May well be a pile of fail, but until we have some tangible details, you are just saying "I hate republicans, and whatever republicans are offering, I'm again' it!"
 
2013-09-18 12:29:15 PM
TAZED
ENOUGH
ALREADY
 
2013-09-18 12:29:25 PM

DarnoKonrad: Wooly Bully: Lucky LaRue: I'm down here in the mud with you nit-wits

oh holy sh*t you can't be for real

He's got to be trolling.  Reelin' the bites tho.


I like the profile pic! Don't think I've ever seen a troll put one of those up before.
 
2013-09-18 12:29:32 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: I'm not a fan of the "potato" pics that are posted to show how stupid someone is. The guy in the photo is a human being. He had no control over his circumstances.


/My $.02
//end threadjack


It's frankly insulting to people with Down Syndrome, which at least in my experience are better people than any Republican I've ever met.
 
2013-09-18 12:29:55 PM

Lucky LaRue: HighOnCraic: coeyagi: BojanglesPaladin: Lucky LaRue: I am beginning to suspect you just talk in circles until people get tired of trying to extract reason from you.

I see you just met HighonCraic :)

I love it when ConservaTrolls high five on Fark.  An angel gets its wings.... ripped the f*ck off and sold to a Chinese pillow manufacturer.

They've got their projectors on at full strength!

Your mistake is thinking I am a conservative. I think they are just as ridiculous as you are, though.  And, yes, before you trot out that tired trope, I *do* think my political views are superior to both yours and the teahadists.


I forgot.  Finding anyone owning up to being conservative on Fark is about as rare as a conservative proposing legislation that isn't related to your religion, their religion, or your reproductive system.
 
2013-09-18 12:31:09 PM
BojanglesPaladin:
Shouldn't you be saying no to linkbait?
 
2013-09-18 12:31:26 PM
MadHatter500:

You are a complete ass.  Good thing you can be an ITG.  At a bar you'd be beaten bloody with this attitude.

See, I don't get ITG at all....I totally get foppish dandy

who would scream and tremble and the mere thought of fisticuffs.  While sniffing snuff from a tiny laquer box with his elegant, yet freakishly female fingers.
 
2013-09-18 12:31:28 PM

DamnYankees: The problem for conservatives is that, for political reasons, they've made it impossible to come up with a health plan. Obamcare is, pretty much, the conservative way to ensure universal health insurance coverage. All the other options either (i) don't cover everyone or (ii) are more liberal. So they are screwed.


Yup.  It was Nixon's before it was Romney's.  What's now called Obamacare is based on a series of policies that has always been the conservative alternative to healthcare reform.
 
2013-09-18 12:32:05 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: I'm not a fan of the "potato" pics that are posted to show how stupid someone is. The guy in the photo is a human being. He had no control over his circumstances.


/My $.02
//end threadjack


Victim of circumstances my ass. He knew what he was getting into when he followed Frodo into Mordor.
 
2013-09-18 12:32:19 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com

fark tossed the damn url.....
 
2013-09-18 12:32:24 PM

Lucky LaRue: I'm not "above it all", certainly.


Lucky LaRue: But, really, it's not hard to feel superior to two tribes of warring morons.


so which is it?
 
2013-09-18 12:32:37 PM

Lucky LaRue: theknuckler_33: I have yet to see one post from anyone suggesting that if Republicans put forward a bill that was exactly like Obamacare that they would hate it.

Then you aren't very good at reading comprehension.


I'm willing to admit I might have missed a post like that, but I doubt I read it and didn't realize it. Perhaps you could point one of them out for me. It's easy, just quote it like you did me.
 
2013-09-18 12:33:03 PM

coeyagi: Lucky LaRue: HighOnCraic: coeyagi: BojanglesPaladin: Lucky LaRue: I am beginning to suspect you just talk in circles until people get tired of trying to extract reason from you.

I see you just met HighonCraic :)

I love it when ConservaTrolls high five on Fark.  An angel gets its wings.... ripped the f*ck off and sold to a Chinese pillow manufacturer.

They've got their projectors on at full strength!

Your mistake is thinking I am a conservative. I think they are just as ridiculous as you are, though.  And, yes, before you trot out that tired trope, I *do* think my political views are superior to both yours and the teahadists.

I forgot.  Finding anyone owning up to being conservative on Fark is about as rare as a conservative proposing legislation that isn't related to your religion, their religion, or your reproductive system.


You make me think of the teahadist that call Mitch McConnell a RINO.  It's like anyone that disagrees with your dogma must be your opposite.  It's sad that you and the 'baggers are so blinded by hatred that you can't envision an point of view that looks on both of your political views with disdain and contempt.
 
2013-09-18 12:33:12 PM

DarnoKonrad: Wooly Bully: Lucky LaRue: I'm down here in the mud with you nit-wits

oh holy sh*t you can't be for real

He's got to be trolling.  Reelin' the bites tho.


To be fair, even his computer is probably ready to punch him off his pompous holier than thou high horse.
 
2013-09-18 12:33:23 PM

Witty_Retort: For the previous 2 years, the increase has drastically slowed. From 01 to 10, it was climbing over 8% per year, last 2 years only 5%.


Those numbers do not at all seem to jive with what I have seen, including my own experience which is double digit increases 5 years running and an 11% increase fro 2014. (Of course you ARE seeing more companies drop to worse plans to stave off these increases).

But I'm happy to see where you got those numbers from.
 
2013-09-18 12:33:31 PM

DarnoKonrad: DROxINxTHExWIND: I'm not a fan of the "potato" pics that are posted to show how stupid someone is. The guy in the photo is a human being. He had no control over his circumstances.


/My $.02
//end threadjack

It's frankly insulting to people with Down Syndrome, which at least in my experience are better people than any Republican I've ever met.


Down syndrome-capable people are also wildly more intelligent than basically every Republican in Congress today.
 
2013-09-18 12:33:48 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Victim of circumstances my ass. He knew what he was getting into when he followed Frodo into Mordor.


And for not previewing my post, and seeing that the Samwise Gamgee po-ta-to animated gif was too big and would be thrown away, it looks like it is I who is potatoed.
 
2013-09-18 12:34:02 PM

Flab: Lucky LaRue: I'm not "above it all", certainly.

Lucky LaRue: But, really, it's not hard to feel superior to two tribes of warring morons.

so which is it?


Both, and also neither. It's whatever makes you pay attention to him.
 
2013-09-18 12:34:05 PM
Can we just get rid of health insurance altogether and just get a national healthcare system going?
 
2013-09-18 12:34:15 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: DROxINxTHExWIND: I'm not a fan of the "potato" pics that are posted to show how stupid someone is. The guy in the photo is a human being. He had no control over his circumstances.


/My $.02
//end threadjack

Victim of circumstances my ass. He knew what he was getting into when he followed Frodo into Mordor.


Lol
 
2013-09-18 12:34:33 PM

Witty_Retort: Shouldn't you be saying no to linkbait?


I don't have an issue with Slate like I do with ThinkProgress, NewsBusters, American Thinker, etc.
 
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