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(Huffington Post)   Younger Americans are so greedy and self-involved that they give four times as much to charity as Baby Boomers   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 172
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2013-09-18 02:29:18 PM

Daeva: ikanreed: oldfarthenry: Daeva: oldfarthenry: [cdn2-b.examiner.com image 500x346]
`F**kin' boomers are a vacuous disconnected generation who just don't gel with the rest of society!' *click-send*
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so your saying the process of instantly access EVERYONE IN SOCIETY IN AN INSTANT on a phone is somehow more disconnected?

No. I'm saying that if you're in the physical presence of someone you should put your phone down and converse with them "face to face" as it were - or does that clash with your high-functioning autism?

Caveman say fire bad!  Dumb kids use fire to cook!  Caveman know that fire bad, because fire hurt.  Dumb kids are dumb!

pretty much saved me the effort.


actually you also kinda just said you think that telling the 8 people around you who also just witnessed what you did is somehow more efficient and more connected than telling everyone at once... odd. its liek the homeopathy of communication, the more asanine and longer it takes the better it is!
 
2013-09-18 02:49:49 PM

MyRandomName: ikanreed: Serious Black: hasty ambush: ikanreed: I wish there were more trustworthy charities.

"Oh you're raising money for Autism 'Awareness'?  But you're not bothering to actually explain what people need to be aware of?  Sign me up!"

You can check:
http://www.charitynavigator.org/

It gives a breakdown of how charities spend their money.

For example Planned Parenthood  and Catholic Charities USA are both highly ranked with 70%-80% of their contributions going toward their programs and 20%-30% going toward admin, salaries , fund raising etc.

Federal government social welfare programs are normally the reverse (30% programs 70% admin) because of the costs of the large bureaucracies, regulations, one size fits all nature of the programs and high priced government employees  (instead of a lot of volunteers or part timers)

  Nice thing about private charities is you can pick the charities you want to give to-government does not give you that option.  Government is like charity at bayonet point.

Worst. Lie. Ever.

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Yeah, 70% overhead sounded extreme, like a made up number.  Thanks for getting actual data.

Conservatism: lying for no particular reason to protect "charities"

Heh. His chart is a lie too. It ignores full costs. For example, Medicare has revenue collection largely handled by the IRS and companies through taxation. Private companies don't get to hand off that cost to a separate government agency. Same with enforcement through other branches. I'm sure you will be just as outraged by the liberal lying though.


The Medicare trustees report (warning: PDF) breaks down the costs for Medicare's different components, and it includes reimbursements to the Treasury, HHS, and the Social Security Administration for their work in actually running Medicare. For example, on page 51, Table III.B1 shows the full breakdown for Part A expenses including these admin reimbursements; similar tables appear on page 90 for Part B and page 117 for Part D, and they also include these admin reimbursements. Beyond that, on page 55, the document clearly says "All HI administrative expenses incurred by the Department of Health and Human Services, the Social Security Administration, the Department of the Treasury (including the Internal Revenue Service), and the Department of Justice in administering HI are charged to the trust fund." Similar statements appear on pages 93-94 for Part B and page 118 for Part D.

I will fully admit that I cannot be 100% certain that these are the kinds of numbers being used by CBPP in their figure, but I'd be comfortable enough to bet a few thousand dollars on it because I know they drew upon official government-reported numbers for their work.
 
2013-09-18 02:53:49 PM

zeroman987: In the end, when I was unemployed/doing odd legal jobs for a year, barely scraping by, I turned to my grandparents for moral [not financial] support. Their strength, tenacity, and courage inspired me and kept me going. They are not perfect people, but they have a certain inner strength that they did not pass on to their kids. While I am not nearly as strong as they are, it is something worth striving for and it is something much more valuable than the fleeting pleasure (be it sex, money, drugs, or power) that my parent's generation chased.


Your grandparents remind me of my grandparents, with their work ethic and expectations and general attitude on life.  But, when I think of them, one word pops into my mind very quickly: miserable.  I don't think I've ever seen either of my grandfathers smile, and my grandmothers maybe once or twice each.  Now, only my father's mom is still alive, and she is still tough as nails and a real go-getter, but she is also one of the most sad miserable people I've ever met and just being in the same room with her sucks your life force away, like being in a good mood around her isn't allowed and it seems to actively make her mad.
 
2013-09-18 02:59:36 PM

ikanreed: My grandmother had this to say about the greatest generation. "They called us the greatest generation, because we went to fight in The War. But they forget there was a draft. We didn't want to go."(Obviously she wasn't drafted)


They were the greatest generation because their commander in chief was the only major world leader one didn't have to be utterly ashamed of. But also, not wanting to fight is not dishonorable.
 
2013-09-18 03:01:38 PM
Every once in a while, a boomer brings this one out:
"I'm tired of hearing my generation ruined everything."

Well, then you guys shouldn't have done that.
 
2013-09-18 03:03:35 PM

meat0918: Makes sense.

A lot of the people my age (I turned 33 today) graduated high school and were told "GTFO by the end of summer" by their parents.

It was go to college or get a job and find your own place.

Hell, I know people that at 18, even though they were in high school, got the boot because the rule was "18 and out, just like his dad did to him".

When the fark did American families become so goddamn heartless?


You got it backwards... they've always been that way, and it's only a recent trend to let the 18+ still live at home...
 
2013-09-18 03:09:12 PM
Here some free advice for all you poor folks out there: You don't get wealthy by giving your money away.
 
2013-09-18 03:11:44 PM

MyRandomName: ikanreed: Serious Black: hasty ambush: ikanreed: I wish there were more trustworthy charities.

"Oh you're raising money for Autism 'Awareness'?  But you're not bothering to actually explain what people need to be aware of?  Sign me up!"

You can check:
http://www.charitynavigator.org/

It gives a breakdown of how charities spend their money.

For example Planned Parenthood  and Catholic Charities USA are both highly ranked with 70%-80% of their contributions going toward their programs and 20%-30% going toward admin, salaries , fund raising etc.

Federal government social welfare programs are normally the reverse (30% programs 70% admin) because of the costs of the large bureaucracies, regulations, one size fits all nature of the programs and high priced government employees  (instead of a lot of volunteers or part timers)

  Nice thing about private charities is you can pick the charities you want to give to-government does not give you that option.  Government is like charity at bayonet point.

Worst. Lie. Ever.

[www.cbpp.org image 450x573]

Yeah, 70% overhead sounded extreme, like a made up number.  Thanks for getting actual data.

Conservatism: lying for no particular reason to protect "charities"

Heh. His chart is a lie too. It ignores full costs. For example, Medicare has revenue collection largely handled by the IRS and companies through taxation. Private companies don't get to hand off that cost to a separate government agency. Same with enforcement through other branches. I'm sure you will be just as outraged by the liberal lying though.


Possibly the most ridiculous argument ever presented. A private charity would do this with associated parent companies or "friends" in the industry, then charge the charity (effectively charging 2x for the same service). The government does it for no or little charge and you biatch? Man, you have some farked up priorities.
 
2013-09-18 03:35:33 PM

MyRandomName: Heh. His chart is a lie too. It ignores full costs. For example, Medicare has revenue collection largely handled by the IRS and companies through taxation. Private companies don't get to hand off that cost to a separate government agency. Same with enforcement through other branches. I'm sure you will be just as outraged by the liberal lying though.


The entire cost of running the IRS is 12-13 billion.  If you part that out evenly based on other government expenses you'd be adding about $1.5 bn to social program costs.  You could make that sliver of the chart hot pink and you still wouldn't be able to see it.
 
2013-09-18 03:36:37 PM

gnosis301: ikanreed: oldfarthenry: Daeva: oldfarthenry: [cdn2-b.examiner.com image 500x346]
`F**kin' boomers are a vacuous disconnected generation who just don't gel with the rest of society!' *click-send*
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so your saying the process of instantly access EVERYONE IN SOCIETY IN AN INSTANT on a phone is somehow more disconnected?

No. I'm saying that if you're in the physical presence of someone you should put your phone down and converse with them "face to face" as it were - or does that clash with your high-functioning autism?

Caveman say fire bad!  Dumb kids use fire to cook!  Caveman know that fire bad, because fire hurt.  Dumb kids are dumb!

You reach exceed grasp! You try play gods!


MAUG SAY SHADDUP.
 
2013-09-18 03:43:20 PM

you have pee hands: MyRandomName: Heh. His chart is a lie too. It ignores full costs. For example, Medicare has revenue collection largely handled by the IRS and companies through taxation. Private companies don't get to hand off that cost to a separate government agency. Same with enforcement through other branches. I'm sure you will be just as outraged by the liberal lying though.

The entire cost of running the IRS is 12-13 billion.  If you part that out evenly based on other government expenses you'd be adding about $1.5 bn to social program costs.  You could make that sliver of the chart hot pink and you still wouldn't be able to see it.


And as I already said, if all of these social programs are reimbursing the IRS and other similar agencies for their administrative costs like Medicare is, then he's flat out wrong because the cost of the IRS to these programs is already inherently accounted for.
 
2013-09-18 03:43:39 PM
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`Ow! How many of us are still under our parents' health plans?' *click-send*
 
2013-09-18 03:47:28 PM

gibbon1: ikanreed: My grandmother had this to say about the greatest generation. "They called us the greatest generation, because we went to fight in The War. But they forget there was a draft. We didn't want to go."(Obviously she wasn't drafted)

They were the greatest generation because their commander in chief was the only major world leader one didn't have to be utterly ashamed of. But also, not wanting to fight is not dishonorable.


It sure as hell was seen that way in WW2. Nothing you could do at home, short of a high-level executive or scientific position, meant as much as putting your ass in the hands of Uncle Sam to do with as he deemed fit. That relinquishing of control over your own life was honorable even if you never made it out of the 112th Emergency Shoe Repair Depot at Fort Runamuck.
 
2013-09-18 04:06:40 PM
Ugh.  This thread ended up being so much worse than I could have imagined.
 
2013-09-18 04:39:07 PM

Serious Black: And as I already said, if all of these social programs are reimbursing the IRS and other similar agencies for their administrative costs like Medicare is, then he's flat out wrong because the cost of the IRS to these programs is already inherently accounted for.


Yeah, I'm just saying that even if that weren't true the cost is trivial.
 
2013-09-18 04:45:00 PM
Sure you can't thank Kickstarter and the like? I mean, half of what's on there are practically charity cases.
 
2013-09-18 04:57:37 PM

Prevailing Wind: Its almost as if the X-ers don't even exist.  Just a lot of hatebashing between boomers and millennials.


/popcorn


because us X and Y'ers dont give a shiat for the most part

we try to live our lives, and just want to be left alone.

The Boomer yell at us for having no Motivation/Drive, and the Millennials are confused when we dont jump up and join them for every half baked "Social Justice" internet protest they start up
 
2013-09-18 09:02:41 PM
so they must be doing alright then...

sTOP wHINING
 
2013-09-18 09:13:09 PM

Schroedinger's Glory Hole: Also, how many of the boomers just count tithing as "charity" as if shilling primitive fiction to the indigenous peoples of other continents is somehow helping humanity?


Some of that tithe supports hospitals and education efforts that don't shill.
Just sayin'.
 
2013-09-18 11:31:51 PM
If you think they're generous now just wait until the "Affordable Health Care Act" is fully implemented!!!
 
2013-09-19 04:58:11 AM
I'm pretty sure we can all agree Boomers are the shiattiest generation currently alive, well except for delusional boomers.
 
2013-09-19 11:31:01 AM
Younger generation is really dumb. Must be the fluoride.
 
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