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2013-09-18 11:09:57 AM  

balki1867: gnosis301: Young American millionaires are only a small subset of young Americans.

This is a good point but the rest are too busy paying of their student loans since Boomers no longer feel it was appropriate for the government to subsidize college once they moved from the right side to the wrong side of that equation.


Yes, we meet as a group every other Tuesday night to plan our repression of the younger generations. It's all part of our evil plan!
Damn - I have to bring the snacks to our next meeting in that abandoned subway station.
MWUHUHUHUHU-*hack-cough*- HUHUHUHUHU...
 
2013-09-18 11:10:38 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: ikanreed: I wish there were more trustworthy charities.

"Oh you're raising money for Autism 'Awareness'?  But you're not bothering to actually explain what people need to be aware of?  Sign me up!"

Aut supplies are expensive.


You're telling me. I took one aut class in high school. So many sketch pads, colored pencils, and paintbrushes! Didn't have the talent to keep going.
 
2013-09-18 11:11:58 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: I used to work for a not-for-profit hospital, biggest scam ever.


Me too.  I did the payroll.  It was ridiculous.
 
2013-09-18 11:13:36 AM  

Serious Black: hasty ambush: ikanreed: I wish there were more trustworthy charities.

"Oh you're raising money for Autism 'Awareness'?  But you're not bothering to actually explain what people need to be aware of?  Sign me up!"

You can check:
http://www.charitynavigator.org/

It gives a breakdown of how charities spend their money.

For example Planned Parenthood  and Catholic Charities USA are both highly ranked with 70%-80% of their contributions going toward their programs and 20%-30% going toward admin, salaries , fund raising etc.

Federal government social welfare programs are normally the reverse (30% programs 70% admin) because of the costs of the large bureaucracies, regulations, one size fits all nature of the programs and high priced government employees  (instead of a lot of volunteers or part timers)

  Nice thing about private charities is you can pick the charities you want to give to-government does not give you that option.  Government is like charity at bayonet point.

Worst. Lie. Ever.

[www.cbpp.org image 450x573]


Yeah, 70% overhead sounded extreme, like a made up number.  Thanks for getting actual data.

Conservatism: lying for no particular reason to protect "charities"
 
2013-09-18 11:14:47 AM  
They are just too stupid to know that they will be wishing for that money back when they are older.

Warm fuzzy feelings from your short-sighted younger days aren't going to keep you from being an 80 year old eating cat food in a dark and dank tenement house.

But at least you will have your saggy, faded tattoos to amuse you.
 
2013-09-18 11:16:03 AM  
I believe the difference is social distance. Most younger people have not yet isolated themselves for years in gated communities or hired a staff to manage the dealings with the plebs, where they lose all connection to common folk.
 
2013-09-18 11:17:22 AM  
I thought I was doing okay but those figures made me feel like an itinerant sharecropper.
 
2013-09-18 11:19:01 AM  
Hell, my grandfather went to his grave (died in '89) swearing the boomers would run the country into the ground. For all the time I spent with him before he died, he did his best to instill his generation's values in me with the warning my generation would be the one to face the consequences and pick up the pieces.
 
2013-09-18 11:19:53 AM  
Christians so far in the lead, cannot be accurately included.
 
2013-09-18 11:20:04 AM  
Taxes don't count as charity.
 
2013-09-18 11:20:15 AM  

that bosnian sniper: the boomers would run the country into the ground


Did he say how?  I'd like to read his reasonings.
 
2013-09-18 11:20:27 AM  

surrealbowl: "The younger cohort gives on average $54,000 to charity a year, compared to millionaire baby boomers on the list who give a median amount of $12,000."

Really Huffpost

Fidelity Investments?  Average != median.  (Report says both are averages)

Also, Boomers generally don't spend much on themselves either.  Probably because they don't have 30 years to make it up if things go south.


Remain skeptical.
 
2013-09-18 11:21:22 AM  
Not true if you take into account church donations.
 
2013-09-18 11:21:36 AM  
I taught myself to hate everyone regardless of race, creed, age, color, nationality, etc.  I am much happier now.
 
2013-09-18 11:22:04 AM  

ikanreed: Serious Black: hasty ambush: ikanreed: I wish there were more trustworthy charities.

"Oh you're raising money for Autism 'Awareness'?  But you're not bothering to actually explain what people need to be aware of?  Sign me up!"

You can check:
http://www.charitynavigator.org/

It gives a breakdown of how charities spend their money.

For example Planned Parenthood  and Catholic Charities USA are both highly ranked with 70%-80% of their contributions going toward their programs and 20%-30% going toward admin, salaries , fund raising etc.

Federal government social welfare programs are normally the reverse (30% programs 70% admin) because of the costs of the large bureaucracies, regulations, one size fits all nature of the programs and high priced government employees  (instead of a lot of volunteers or part timers)

  Nice thing about private charities is you can pick the charities you want to give to-government does not give you that option.  Government is like charity at bayonet point.

Worst. Lie. Ever.

[www.cbpp.org image 450x573]

Yeah, 70% overhead sounded extreme, like a made up number.  Thanks for getting actual data.

Conservatism: lying for no particular reason to protect "charities"


NP. And to be fair, I love Charity Navigator and extensively use their work to help me figure out what charities to donate to.
 
2013-09-18 11:22:39 AM  

ikanreed: rhondajeremy: And cue the Boomer hatred!

//wonder how epic this thread will be

I don't buy into the generational hate, but I will say every ex-hippy republican is an example of the worst class of hypocrites.


This. It's unfair to lump a whole generation of people together as good or bad.

I don't know now many ex-hippies are truly hypocrites, really. I've known some self-proclaimed hippies who didn't know jack about the world or politics and didn't give a damn about anyone but themselves.
 
2013-09-18 11:23:09 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: I used to work for a not-for-profit hospital, biggest scam ever.


Worse than United Way?
 
2013-09-18 11:25:59 AM  
Getting around to actually reading the article, what?  Gen Y millionaires and baby boomer millionaires aren't at all comparable.  You have to be making very good money (or be a trust fund kid) to be a millionaire at 30.  A millionaire at 65 could very easily someone middle class without a pension who scraped together a reasonable nest egg for retirement.
 
2013-09-18 11:27:10 AM  
Makes sense.

A lot of the people my age (I turned 33 today) graduated high school and were told "GTFO by the end of summer" by their parents.

It was go to college or get a job and find your own place.

Hell, I know people that at 18, even though they were in high school, got the boot because the rule was "18 and out, just like his dad did to him".

When the fark did American families become so goddamn heartless?
 
2013-09-18 11:27:13 AM  

ikanreed: I wish there were more trustworthy charities.


There are some very trustworthy charities out there, doing incredible things for genuinely noble causes on shoe-string budgets, with very low overhead and administrative expenses. I shiat you not. But you have to do a little research.

I generally give to my local food bank, and to a number of international relief organizations.  AmeriCares, Doctors Without Borders, Refugees International, the Ponheary Li Foundation, Oxfam, MercyCorps... these are all worthy charities doing good things for your fellow man. I swear it.
 
2013-09-18 11:27:58 AM  
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2013-09-18 11:28:07 AM  
Its almost as if the X-ers don't even exist.  Just a lot of hatebashing between boomers and millennials.


/popcorn
 
2013-09-18 11:29:09 AM  

you have pee hands: Getting around to actually reading the article, what?  Gen Y millionaires and baby boomer millionaires aren't at all comparable.  You have to be making very good money (or be a trust fund kid) to be a millionaire at 30.  A millionaire at 65 could very easily someone middle class without a pension who scraped together a reasonable nest egg for retirement.


So no boomers had trust funds growing up, or got rich quick?  But if they did, they got stingier as they got older?

Are there statistics showing the boomers being this charitable in their 30s and 40s?
 
2013-09-18 11:29:56 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: surrealbowl: "The younger cohort gives on average $54,000 to charity a year, compared to millionaire baby boomers on the list who give a median amount of $12,000."

Really HuffpostFidelity Investments?  Average != median.  (Report says both are averages)

Also, Boomers generally don't spend much on themselves either.  Probably because they don't have 30 years to make it up if things go south.

Remain skeptical.


Other comprehensive studies have shown similar results favoring the generosity of younger people over older people.

Philanthropy reported that three out of four young adults regardless of income give to charity. While those donations are mostly small, that's skewed by the fact that young adults don't make a lot of money yet and are unemployed at higher rates than older people.

Another study reported that people at the bottom end of the income spectrum (which likely tilts more towards younger people than older people) give 2.5 times as much to charity as people at the top end of the income spectrum.
 
2013-09-18 11:30:48 AM  
I've never heard of younger people being greedy.

Narcissistic, yes.

Self involved, yes.

Greedy, no.
 
2013-09-18 11:31:46 AM  
Isn't the important thing that there are a lot of people being charitable?  Just looking for that silver lining as we sail through this cloud of piss and shiat.
 
2013-09-18 11:33:21 AM  

Lerxst2k: Taxes don't count as charity.


More like organized theft. Pay up or some guy named Vinnie pays you a visit.
 
2013-09-18 11:34:45 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Because People in power are Stupid: I used to work for a not-for-profit hospital, biggest scam ever.

Try a not for profit homeless shelter. Goodwill Family Center in Evansville, Indiana LOVES their prosperity gospel crapola while using almost all the money they bring in through the stores to pay for overhead and pushing it up to the United Way for lobbying.

I worked there for a year and saw the entire on-site network was unprotected and 100% shared. I could literallly read anything the director or social worker had on their computer. When I pointed this flaw out, I was told it wasn't my job. So I read everything the director read until I told a co-worker that she lives in a trailer for a reason (for some reason, that's a bridge burning move).

I will NEVER support Goodwill or the United Way again.

/Doctors Without Boarders, Child's Play, and St Jude are my charities of choice


We have a major home improvement store distribution center here.  For years they donated the left over inventory, scratch and dents, returns and broken stuff they could/didn't want to fix and other stuff to the Habitat for Humanity ReStore.  There much of it was snatched up by people looking for such things and H4H got funding for their mission.

Then Goodwill moved in.  They found out about this deal and wanted in.  But the major home improvement store didn't really want to change anything and said no.  So Goodwill lawyered up and threated to sue, so they could get their fair share.  So Home Depot relented... and now sends it all to the dump instead.

Fark Goodwill.
 
2013-09-18 11:35:20 AM  
in the 1930s, who gave more - those people who were retired, with their savings wiped out and facing severe changes (including homelessness) in their standard of living due to an economic crash, or was it those who were in their 20s that had a long life of future income potential ahead of them, thus did not have to save what few pennies the could find?

Point being, maybe it isn't the generations themselves, but instead is the completely different situation each of the generations are in.
 
2013-09-18 11:35:54 AM  

Deep Contact: Lerxst2k: Taxes don't count as charity.

More like organized theft. Pay up or some guy named Vinnie pays you a visit.


Nobody's forcing you to live here.  Isn't there some tax-free utopia out there you would enjoy?
 
2013-09-18 11:36:26 AM  

oldfarthenry: Yes, we meet as a group every other Tuesday night to plan our repression of the younger generations. It's all part of our evil plan!


I never said it was an active effort to repress the younger generation.  That was just a side effect.  Boomers paid next to nothing to go to school, maybe took out some small loans and were able to pay them off easily.  At some point they saw their tax bills and thought, "WTF am I paying for?  Public universities?  Screw them, I work hard for this money.  Maybe the people going there should pay for that," with no thought that they at one point benefited from these exact policies.

I only bring this up because I was involved with a decades-old alumni group from college that had a tradition of donating approx one semester's tuition back to the group after you graduated and started working.  The tradition (for obvious reasons) didn't keep up with rises in tuition and some boomers tried to cite this as an example of how selfish the younger generation is. When we went back and looked at it, one semester's tuition for them was 1-2 weeks pay for a kid fresh out of college then, whereas it's ~2 months of pay for a freshly minted engineer today (and it only gets worse if you're not an engineer).

The fact that they couldn't come to terms with this and saw it as a sign of how greedy millenials are absolutely blew my mind.

(To be fair I don't completely blame the rise in tuition to the lack of public funds, but there's no question it plays a significant part)
 
2013-09-18 11:38:38 AM  

lordjupiter: Deep Contact: Lerxst2k: Taxes don't count as charity.

More like organized theft. Pay up or some guy named Vinnie pays you a visit.

Nobody's forcing you to live here.  Isn't there some tax-free utopia out there you would enjoy?


Let me know.
 
2013-09-18 11:40:23 AM  

lordjupiter: Deep Contact: Lerxst2k: Taxes don't count as charity.

More like organized theft. Pay up or some guy named Vinnie pays you a visit.

Nobody's forcing you to live here.  Isn't there some tax-free utopia out there you would enjoy?


Second time I've seen the "organized theft" meme in 12 hours.   Really... do you not like roads?  You can go to Africa.  KTHXBYE.
 
2013-09-18 11:40:56 AM  
It's not a valid survey unless they factor in age. What were baby boomers giving at the same age? May have been as much. When we are young we are often more idealistic and that's awesome. Kudos to them. After time goes by and year after year you see your paycheck dwindling due to government spending factors, many social, that you have no control over you slow down the giving. On top of that, learning about the massive waste of money most large well-known charities spend on marketing and half-million dollar salaries for top executives slows down spending. I know a lot of people that are baby boomers that give money on grass-roots level - where it's needed and there is no record of that. For example, a person you know that who didn't have money to go see a sick relative - a little cash goes there. I am the last person on earth you will ever see thumping a bible, but one saying has always stuck with me "do not your alms before men". In a nutshell, we give but just because some massive conglomerate hasn't got it on their books doesn't mean it isn't there.
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2013-09-18 11:41:18 AM  
Which generation is the one that doesnt biatch, moan, and belittle?  Can I be a part of that group?
 
2013-09-18 11:41:38 AM  

lordjupiter: you have pee hands: Getting around to actually reading the article, what?  Gen Y millionaires and baby boomer millionaires aren't at all comparable.  You have to be making very good money (or be a trust fund kid) to be a millionaire at 30.  A millionaire at 65 could very easily someone middle class without a pension who scraped together a reasonable nest egg for retirement.

So no boomers had trust funds growing up, or got rich quick?  But if they did, they got stingier as they got older?

Are there statistics showing the boomers being this charitable in their 30s and 40s?


You're missing the point.  If you're a millionaire at age 30, you're likely actively making a lot of money  right now, and will continue to be for 20-30 years (and in fact, likely will see your income to continue to increase).   If you're 60 and a millionaire, that likely means that you were simply good at saving money, but had only a modest income - and seeing the economic turmoil of the last couple decades makes you have concerns, given you either already aren't working anymore, or are very soon to not be.

If the 30 year old were facing forced retirement, never allowed to work again (outside of silly jobs like walmart greeter), they would likely be just as non-charitable.

How about we look and see what the charity giving of the boomers were when  they were 30, among those who were millionaires at the time?  That would be substantially more fair of a comparison.
 
2013-09-18 11:42:32 AM  

Bunkyb123: It's not a valid survey unless they factor in age. What were baby boomers giving at the same age? May have been as much. When we are young we are often more idealistic and that's awesome. Kudos to them. After time goes by and year after year you see your paycheck dwindling due to government spending factors, many social, that you have no control over you slow down the giving. On top of that, learning about the massive waste of money most large well-known charities spend on marketing and half-million dollar salaries for top executives slows down spending. I know a lot of people that are baby boomers that give money on grass-roots level - where it's needed and there is no record of that. For example, a person you know that who didn't have money to go see a sick relative - a little cash goes there. I am the last person on earth you will ever see thumping a bible, but one saying has always stuck with me "do not your alms before men". In a nutshell, we give but just because some massive conglomerate hasn't got it on their books doesn't mean it isn't there.
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Taxes are the lowest in decades.  Sorry to spoil your narrative.  I like civilization, so I am okay with paying taxes.  I am NOT okay with that money going to subsidize fat cats, though.
 
2013-09-18 11:42:53 AM  

zeroman987: I know I identify with my grandparents and their values (greatest generation) than my mom or dad (boomers).


The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
 
2013-09-18 11:43:41 AM  

gnosis301: Did he say how?  I'd like to read his reasonings.


They grew up in a period of major economic expansion on the largesse of their parents, took over their parents' jobs and inherited their parents' money, and acted like they earned and built it all on their own while systematically shutting down every venue for future upward mobility, and running up debt, for  their kids in turn. Not quite that eloquently, his childhood was spent a piss-poor, barebones-education, sustenance farmer and that was  before the Depression hit, he went back to the farm after fighting in WWII, and never went to college, but that was the gist of it. He was damned intelligent and heavily involved in local politics, so he knew what was up despite a lack of formal education.

The 1980 election was the last straw for him, when the Boomer vote went to Reagan. Or, as my grandfather called him, "that chickenshiat union-busting son of a biatch who never fired a shot in anger his entire life, and didn't even have the good sense to die when Hinckley shot him". That was when my grandfather felt charitable towards the man -- I remember one time during the S&L crisis that my grandfather told one of his kids to do the country a favor, and drive him to Washington so hecould shoot Reagan and do it right (he was dead serious when he said it, too).
 
2013-09-18 11:43:52 AM  

Gunny Highway: Which generation is the one that doesnt biatch, moan, and belittle?  Can I be a part of that group?


GenX, seems like.  Yay me?
 
2013-09-18 11:45:02 AM  

ikanreed: Serious Black: hasty ambush: ikanreed: I wish there were more trustworthy charities.

"Oh you're raising money for Autism 'Awareness'?  But you're not bothering to actually explain what people need to be aware of?  Sign me up!"

You can check:
http://www.charitynavigator.org/

It gives a breakdown of how charities spend their money.

For example Planned Parenthood  and Catholic Charities USA are both highly ranked with 70%-80% of their contributions going toward their programs and 20%-30% going toward admin, salaries , fund raising etc.

Federal government social welfare programs are normally the reverse (30% programs 70% admin) because of the costs of the large bureaucracies, regulations, one size fits all nature of the programs and high priced government employees  (instead of a lot of volunteers or part timers)

  Nice thing about private charities is you can pick the charities you want to give to-government does not give you that option.  Government is like charity at bayonet point.

Worst. Lie. Ever.

[www.cbpp.org image 450x573]

Yeah, 70% overhead sounded extreme, like a made up number.  Thanks for getting actual data.

Conservatism: lying for no particular reason to protect "charities"

What do Liberals have against Planned Parenthood-a private charity?



";public income redis-tribution agencies are estimated to absorb about two-thirds of each dollar budgeted to them in overhead costs, and in some cases as much as three-quarters of each dollar. Using government data,

Robert L. Woodson Woodson (Breaking the Poverty Cycle: Private Sector Alternatives
to the Welfare State) calculated that, on average, 70 centsof each dollar budgeted for government assistance goes not to the poor, but to the members of the welfare bureaucracy and others serving the poor. Michael Tanner Tanner, Michael. (1996.The End of Welfare) cites regional studies supporting this 70/30 split."

"Welfare as we know it cannot be fixed. Tinkering with it for decades has accomplished little of value. Bureaucracies within bureaucracies have bloomed, mutations of a polluted society. Too many contradictory interests compete at the public trough in the name of poor people....Poor people of our inner cities, small towns, and rural countryside exist in a sprawling banana republic where fighting factions of outsiders -- institutionalized poverty pimps -- battle over which issue, which treatment, what cabal will dominate at any given point in time....

"A major impediment to dismantling the existing social welfare programs is the extent to which they have degenerated into patronage troughs. The government contracts to 'help' are first and foremost political tools to strengthen the base of elected officials at all levels of government." page 261 of Tyranny of Kindness: Dismantling the Welfare System to End Poverty in America -- by Theresa Funiciell[advocate for a guarnateed income]




In 2010, the poverty gap for all households was $152 billion. The pre-welfare poverty gap was $173 billion. Total means-tested spending in that year was $881 billion or five times the pre-welfare poverty gap. Means-tested cash, food and housing was $339 billion or nearly twice what was needed to raise all families out of poverty.


The 79 [FY2011] means-tested programs operated by the federal government provide a wide variety of benefits. The federal welfare state includes:

12 programs providing food aid;
12 programs funding social services;
12 educational assistance programs;
11 housing assistance programs;
10 programs providing cash assistance;
9 vocational training programs;
7 medical assistance programs;
3 energy and utility assistance programs; and,
3 child care and child development programs.

In FY 2011, federal spending on means-tested welfare, plus state contributions to federal programs, reached $927 billion per year. The federal share came to $717 billion or 77 percent; state spending was $210 billion or 23 percent.

Dividing total means-tested aid by all persons in the bottom third of the income distribution results in average welfare spending of $9,040 per person in 2011, or around $36,000 for a family of fou

Means-tested Spending on Families with Children

Another way of examining spending levels is to look at welfare spending on families with children. In FY 2011, total means-tested spending was $927 billion. About half of this spending ($462 billion) will go to families with children. (Around one-third of this spending went to medical care.)

If the $462 billion in welfare spending were divided equally among the lowest-income one-third of families with children (around 14 million families), the result would be around $33,000 per low-income family with children.

In addition, most of these lower-income families have earned income. Average earnings within the whole group are typically about $16,000 per year per family, though in the midst of a recession, earnings will be lower. If average welfare aid and average earnings are combined, the total resources is likely to come to between $40,000 and $46,000 for each lower-income family with children in the U.S
 
2013-09-18 11:46:30 AM  

Serious Black: hasty ambush: ikanreed: I wish there were more trustworthy charities.


Worst. Lie. Ever.

[www.cbpp.org image 450x573]


I don't even see why someone would think this is true and I say this as an anti-government libertarian. The biggest source of overhead is fundraising, government programs have no fundraising issues. They also have well defined rules of distribution and vary little arbitrariness (other causes of overhead).

/Also, people should definitely consider things other than expense ratios when looking at charities.  http://freakonomics.com/2011/06/09/why-ranking-charities-by-administr a tive-expenses-is-a-bad-idea/
 
2013-09-18 11:47:55 AM  
I bought my cousin's self published book.  Does that count as charity?  His kid needs to eat too.
 
2013-09-18 11:48:20 AM  

d23: Taxes are the lowest in decades.  Sorry to spoil your narrative.  I like civilization, so I am okay with paying taxes.  I am NOT okay with that money going to subsidize fat cats, though.


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2013-09-18 11:49:10 AM  
http://www.fark.com/comments/7938278/86540248#c86540248" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Bunkyb123: It's not a valid survey unless they factor in age. What were baby boomers giving at the same age? May have been as much. When we are young we are often more idealistic and that's awesome. Kudos to them. After time goes by and year after year you see your paycheck dwindling due to government spending factors, many social, that you have no control over you slow down the giving. On top of that, learning about the massive waste of money most large well-known charities spend on marketing and half-million dollar salaries for top executives slows down spending. I know a lot of people that are baby boomers that give money on grass-roots level - where it's needed and there is no record of that. For example, a person you know that who didn't have money to go see a sick relative - a little cash goes there. I am the last person on earth you will ever see thumping a bible, but one saying has always stuck with me "do not your alms before men". In a nutshell, we give but just because some massive conglomerate hasn't got it on their books doesn't mean it isn't there.
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Taxes are the lowest in decades. Sorry to spoil your narrative. I like civilization, so I am okay with paying taxes. I am NOT okay with that money going to subsidize fat cats, though


I wish mine were, Federal taxes have gone from 27% to nearly 40% of my check in 5 years. Every time I get a little raise I get less money. I believe in paying taxes, too to support our infrastructure and safety, but the government wastage of the money otherwise would be a wonderfully different grand debate and we'd get too far off track.
 
2013-09-18 11:51:41 AM  
image was adjusted for inflation.   Note that's back when the US was  GAINING global dominance and growing; once the marginal tax rate started dropping, two things happened:  the income divide started growing exponentially, and the economy started tanking.  Not saying that was causal,  but the idea that raising taxes would cause the problem is...stupid.  We were doing better with 90%+ marginal rate.
 
2013-09-18 11:52:36 AM  

ikanreed: zeroman987: Its almost as if the baby boomers projected these qualities on the millenials because the baby boomers actually demonstrate these qualities on a regular basis.

I know I identify with my grandparents and their values (greatest generation) than my mom or dad (boomers).

My grandmother had this to say about the greatest generation.  "They called us the greatest generation, because we went to fight in The War.  But they forget there was a draft.  We didn't want to go."(Obviously she wasn't drafted)


I imagine that there were also a lot of men like my grandfather: being a healthy 17-year-old high school student with average grades and no prospects, connections, or other such circumstances that would make it advantageous for Uncle Sam to keep him at home, he realized that it was pretty much a certainty that he'd end up being drafted, so he enlisted in the Navy simply because he wanted to have some say over which branch of the service he'd be in.

On paper, he might be counted among the many heroic volunteers that stepped up to defend their country in time of need, but he had always said that he enlisted mostly so that he wouldn't be jerked around by the chickenshiat Army bureaucracy the way his older brother had been.

/served honorably until '48 all the same, first in the Pacific, then at the base in Bremerton, WA
//This post is also a bookmark for later when hopefully the flame wars are nice and stoked
 
2013-09-18 11:52:40 AM  

Bunkyb123: It's not a valid survey unless they factor in age. What were baby boomers giving at the same age? May have been as much. When we are young we are often more idealistic and that's awesome. Kudos to them. After time goes by and year after year you see your paycheck dwindling due to government spending factors, many social, that you have no control over you slow down the giving. On top of that, learning about the massive waste of money most large well-known charities spend on marketing and half-million dollar salaries for top executives slows down spending. I know a lot of people that are baby boomers that give money on grass-roots level - where it's needed and there is no record of that. For example, a person you know that who didn't have money to go see a sick relative - a little cash goes there. I am the last person on earth you will ever see thumping a bible, but one saying has always stuck with me "do not your alms before men". In a nutshell, we give but just because some massive conglomerate hasn't got it on their books doesn't mean it isn't there.


How do you propose we do that? Borrow Obama's magical time machine?

And yes, there certainly are ways to donate locally that will never get recorded. I left BWW after the Nebraska game this past weekend with some leftover wings, and I gave them to a guy sitting in a wheelchair with one leg amputated above the knee. That'll never get recorded anywhere other than in my memories. But it's the same kind of argument that people come up with to, say, justify drug tests for welfare beneficiaries even though those tests always show poor people use drugs at a rate lower than the general population. The tests apparently aren't revealing all of the many cases where they really are using drugs. But we can never know. All we can know is what is reported by approved charitable organizations.
 
2013-09-18 11:52:58 AM  

that bosnian sniper: Hell, my grandfather went to his grave (died in '89) swearing the boomers would run the country into the ground. For all the time I spent with him before he died, he did his best to instill his generation's values in me with the warning my generation would be the one to face the consequences and pick up the pieces.


Ain't that the truth. Growing up "early X" was (and really still is) like being just a little too late to the big bash, finding the keg drained to the dregs, everyone either passed out on the floor or trashing the place, the host demanding that we clean up the mess, with the cops en route to bust up what was left of the festivities.

I'm going to draw a sharp line between Boomer and X: November 6, 1962. If you were born any later, you had no say in the 1980 presidential election. "Here's your new President: Ronald Reagan. Enjoy!" It's a shame that the cool people were too cool to show up at the ballot box when it would have mattered most.

My sister falls on the Boomer side of that line, and I fall on the X side. Even when we were growing up, we lived in different worlds. Her crowd and my crowd mixed like oil and water, in spite of just two years' difference. The high school went "closed campus" the year I entered; the drinking age was raised from 19 to 21 shortly before I turned 19, etc. It's that "late to the party" thing, every time.

Social Security will be the next "late to the party" fiasco.
 
2013-09-18 11:53:53 AM  

lordjupiter: So no boomers had trust funds growing up, or got rich quick? But if they did, they got stingier as they got older?

Are there statistics showing the boomers being this charitable in their 30s and 40s?


Sure, some are probably trust fund kids or got rich quick.  But the pool of millionaire baby boomers is going to include a lot of middle/upper middle class people who put away 10% of their salary for 30 or 40 years and are now millionaires right around retirement age, whereas the pool of 30 year old millionaires won't include any of those people.  A 30 year old millionaire is either somewhat stingy on $250k a year or makes a whole lot more than that.  They're comparing the raw dollar donations of people with dramatically different incomes and acting like it's apples to apples.

It'd be one thing if they were comparing whole generations but they're not, they're comparing the millionaire subset of generations and they're not the same groups of people.  If you click through the article to the study it's referencing the Gen X/Y subset has more than 3 times the annual income of the Boomer subset.
 
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