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2013-09-18 07:54:56 AM  
18 votes:
Meh, this is rhetoric from a right-wing website trying to push wedges deeper to make religion more of a political issue in hopes of deepening their base. Not that "right-wing news" wasn't a clue.

Dear Right Wing News: I consider myself a Christian. I'll let others take from their religions (Christian or otherwise) what they will, but here's what it means to me: Be good. Be honest. Be kind. Help those in need. Do the right thing when it's difficult. Do what needs to be done because it's the right thing, not because it's the easy thing. Do not judge others, but strive constantly to follow the example that Christ showed: kindness and mercy, charity and humility.

As far as you trying to turn the most private and sensitive part of my life into a political wedge, I can tell you this: no thank you. My religion and my politics will always be separate, and your attempt to make me feel somehow persecuted by it feels hollow and disingenuous. You don't speak for me. So with all due respect, kindly shove it up your ass.
2013-09-18 09:13:30 AM  
8 votes:
OK, lets take a look at this list.

Two guys arrested for reading their Bibles at the DMV.  Well, that does sound shady.  Let's drop their names into the googles and see what else we can find on the case.

Well, it turns out they weren't just reading their Bibles.  They were reading out loud and preaching to everyone who was standing in line.  Yeah, it think that was good bust.  The DMV isn't your church.  I'd expect the cops to arrest anyone in there who starts yelling about sky-wizards, flaming bushes, and zombies.

Oh, and he's even got the Air Force vet who's up on charges for opposing gay marriage.  Or, as you find out if you dig a bit, he's up on charges for refusing to tell one of his junior airmen who was teaching a training class that he can't run off at the mouth about how homo's shouldn't be allowed in the military.  And he's upset that when he talked to investigators they read him his rights.  Because apparently he thinks cops don't do that to everyone they interrogate .
2013-09-18 02:11:06 AM  
5 votes:
It's nothing but "WAAAAH! How dare others tell us that we can't shove our religion down everyone's throats!"
2013-09-18 09:46:16 AM  
4 votes:

randomjsa: 7. Oh my they actually got 1 out of 7 right! They really did find actual honest to goodness discrimination against Christians that was legitimately wrong. I will give them this one. They are actually correct.


Actually, no. Here are the instructions from the lesson the professor was using:

"Have the students write the name JESUS in big letters on a piece of paper," the lesson reads. "Ask the students to stand up and put the paper on the floor in front of them with the name facing up. Ask the students to think about it for a moment. After a brief period of silence instruct them to step on the paper. Most will hesitate. Ask why they can't step on the paper. Discuss the importance of symbols in culture."

The whole point was examine why they didn't want to step on the paper.

The student was actually punished for verbal threats against the professor.
2013-09-18 08:52:35 AM  
4 votes:

iq_in_binary: I'm sorry, are we throwing you farkers to lions for entertainment again? When did I miss that?

Oh we're not? Shut the fark up.


Oddly enough, there is no evidence that the whole feeding christians to the lions thing ever happened.  Christianity has been lying about being oppressed from the start.  The romans could not care less about what gods people worshipped.  Thank god there is nothing in the bible that forbids lying.  As far as i can tell from dealing with christians is that the whole bible is about how much god hates gay people.  They must use a different bible than the one i read growing up.
2013-09-18 08:52:21 AM  
4 votes:

iq_in_binary: I'm sorry, are we throwing you farkers to lions for entertainment again? When did I miss that?

Oh we're not? Shut the fark up.


Again? It never happened the first time.  Early Christians made that up to fill their ever present sense of victimhood.  Some things never change.
2013-09-18 08:44:03 AM  
4 votes:
John Hawkins is fat, stupid, and a waste of oxygen.
2013-09-18 02:14:36 AM  
4 votes:
The first example was ridiculous and it went downhill from there.  Basically a charity was getting subsidised by the taxpayer and cried "we're being persecuted" when Uncle Sam said they can't relabel taxpayer-funded food as "Brought to you by Jesus."
2013-09-18 02:06:38 AM  
4 votes:
For those of you who don't want to click on the link, here it is in all its glory:

"Herpy-derpy-doo."

You're welcome.
2013-09-18 10:24:11 AM  
3 votes:

webron: They must use a different bible than the one i read growing up.


I feel like my copy must be out of date too.

In MY copy Jesus really didn't do all that much hating at all. He helped the poor, the sick, the prostitutes, and all matter of outcast. He seemed all hyped up on love and tolerance and all that hippy liberal crap. You know, judge not, love your neighbor, rich man going to heaven like camel through a needle eye. That stuff.

Sure the Old Testament god was a badass and did a boatload of smiting. But he also said that he and he alone was allowed to judge and or smite.

I'm not sure I want a copy of the new edition. Sounds like they farked it up bad. Prosperity and hate are good. Helping the unfortunate is wrong. Yikes. The sequel always pales compared to the original I guess.
2013-09-18 10:07:13 AM  
3 votes:
It's almost as if someone doesn't understand how the government is supposed to work.

1) Distributing food from a government agency, means that they are in de facto, distributing food for a government agency. The government cannot support one faith over others, and if they want assistance in their cause from a government agency, then they have to support it without regard to religion.

2) The IRS targeted the organization because oddly enough, fraud in international ventures is not terrible uncommon. In fact, it's often used as an excuse to move money overseas for entirely different purposes than humanitarian aid.

3) See the establishment clause again.

4) Maybe folks should consider NOT discriminating against folks? Just a thought. I wonder, do these folks likewise refuse to make cakes for second marriages after divorce? Second marriages after adultery occurred? For folks of differing faiths? They're being civilly sued, but the charge of discrimination is up for attorneys to hash out.

5) A GI is facing the music for not realizing that many of his rights are suspended when he willingly puts on the uniform, and is then an arm for said government. His rights for free speech are likewise impeded for a fair amount of his duties, and could even see him up on charges of treason.

6) It was less a matter of discrimination, than accommodating park users equally. In the same way you sort of need a permit to use public lands for all sorts of other things. You know, like marriages, or otherwise occupying parts of the park, like for camping. It's so that folks know where folks are going to be, to be able to steer folks away so that you're not disturbed by random passers by.

7) This is actually a case where the professor was being a douche. Not discrimination, as much as an incident where a professor was a douche.
2013-09-18 08:57:59 AM  
3 votes:

Gordon Bennett: Lorelle: It's nothing but "WAAAAH! How dare others tell us that we can't shove our religion down everyone's throats!"

Well, half of it is pure paranoia "If it was Muslims they wouldn't be held accountable for their activities they way Christians are!" and the other half is the usual twaddle from a bigot outraged to not be allowed to oppress others in the name of Jesus.


Another reading: half was "waah we're held to the same standards as regular Americans" and half was "waah you can't openly discriminate against gays in public service any more."  I mean, it was bad enough when the government started protecting blacks and Jews, but now gays, too?  Since when can't we openly bash gays FOR THE LORD?
2013-09-18 08:52:01 AM  
3 votes:
Written By : John Hawkins...

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2013-09-18 07:15:45 AM  
3 votes:

Lorelle: It's nothing but "WAAAAH! How dare others tell us that we can't shove our religion down everyone's throats!"


Well, half of it is pure paranoia "If it was Muslims they wouldn't be held accountable for their activities they way Christians are!" and the other half is the usual twaddle from a bigot outraged to not be allowed to oppress others in the name of Jesus.
2013-09-18 12:57:09 AM  
3 votes:
How John Hawkins sees their plight:

www.kingsacademy.com

How everyone else sees their plight:

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2013-09-18 12:14:35 PM  
2 votes:

spongeboob: webron: iq_in_binary: I'm sorry, are we throwing you farkers to lions for entertainment again? When did I miss that?

Oh we're not? Shut the fark up.

Oddly enough, there is no evidence that the whole feeding christians to the lions thing ever happened.  Christianity has been lying about being oppressed from the start.  The romans could not care less about what gods people worshipped.  Thank god there is nothing in the bible that forbids lying.  As far as i can tell from dealing with christians is that the whole bible is about how much god hates gay people.  They must use a different bible than the one i read growing up.

The Bible condems bearing false witness not lying. A bunch of lying liars have turned it into not lying so that their kids don't lie or something.
Bearing False witness seems to be a common thread when comparing the claims this author makes and the truth.


Time to dust off the old list of things that Leviticus forbids in addition to the homoerotica...

1.       Burning any yeast or honey in offerings to God (2:11)
Not a huge problem nowadays.

2.       Failing to include salt in offerings to God (2:13)
Again, not a huge deal to most Christian churches.

3.       Eating fat (3:17)
Southern cuisine is in trouble

4.       Eating blood (3:17)
German cuisine is in trouble.

5.       Failing to testify against any wrongdoing you've witnessed (5:1)
Congress is in trouble.

6.       Failing to testify against any wrongdoing you've been told about (5:1)
Congress is REALLY in trouble

7.       Touching an unclean animal (5:2)
Hope you don't like pork...

8.       Carelessly making an oath (5:4)
Again, Congress is REALLY in trouble

9.       Deceiving a neighbour about something trusted to them (6:2)
HOAs are against God...

10.   Finding lost property and lying about it (6:3)
Much of America is DOOMED...

11.   Bringing unauthorized fire before God (10:1)
The candle trade for saints is apparently DOOOOOOM!

12.   Letting your hair become unkempt (10:6)
Hipsters, teens, and much of Hollywood is DOOOOOMED!

13.   Tearing your clothes (10:6)
Wrasslin' is the work of the Debbil

14.   Drinking alcohol in holy places (10:9)
Catholics, we're looking right at you....

15.   Eating an animal which doesn't both chew cud and has a divided hoof (cf: camel, rabbit, pig) (11:4-7)
Rib joints are the work of the Debbil...

16.   Touching the carcass of any of the above (11:8)
Hope you aren't a fan of football...

17.   Eating - or touching the carcass of - any seafood without fins or scales (11:10-12)
Red Lobster is the work of the Debbil...

18.   Eating - or touching the carcass of - eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, the red kite, any kind of black kite, any kind of raven, the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat. (11:13-19)
In fairness, this means that Newage folks are DOOOOOMED!

19.   Eating - or touching the carcass of - flying insects with four legs, unless those legs are jointed (11:20-22)
Cicadas may be out.

20.   Eating any animal which walks on all four and has paws (11:27)
Roof rabbit may have doomed the entire Greatest Generation...

21.   Eating - or touching the carcass of - the weasel, the rat, any kind of great lizard, the gecko, the monitor lizard, the wall lizard, the skink and the chameleon (11:29)
Hope you haven't had gator bites...

22.   Eating - or touching the carcass of - any creature which crawls on many legs, or its belly (11:41-42)
Rattlesnake BBQ is RIGHT out...

23.   Going to church within 33 days after giving birth to a boy (12:4)
Hope you aren't having that Christening too early, you naughty folks...

24.   Going to church within 66 days after giving birth to a girl (12:5)
See the above, but double time for the girlchil'run...

25.   Having sex with your mother (18:7)
Which is not a bad rule to have, but let's face it, this rule pretty much takes out a good section of 90s day time TV

26.   Having sex with your father's wife (18:8)
Not a bad rule either, but see the above section on reality TV...

27.   Having sex with your sister (18:9)
This one is going to have Kentucky and good sections of the South, and Maine in trouble...

28.   Having sex with your granddaughter (18:10)
Not a bad rule at all, and...ewww...

29.  Having sex with your half-sister (18:11)
See the earlier section on day time TV...

30.   Having sex with your biological aunt (18:12-13)
Again, see the section on day time TV...

31.   Having sex with your uncle's wife (18:14)
Man, Maury would be screwed if we damn everyone for this...

32.   Having sex with your daughter-in-law (18:15)
Maury may have sent a brazillion folks to Hell for this...

33.   Having sex with your sister-in-law (18:16)
Congress may be in trouble here too...

34.   Having sex with a woman and also having sex with her daughter or granddaughter (18:17)
Alan Clarke and Maury are soooo screwed on this.

35.   Marrying your wife's sister while your wife still lives (18:18)
Man, day time TV is just rife with sinfulness. Should we let children watch this smut?

36.   Having sex with a woman during her period (18:19)
Redwings. Apparently, always a bad idea...

37.   Having sex with your neighbour's wife (18:20)
Congress, and a fair amount of middle America is sooooo boned...

38.   Giving your children to be sacrificed to Molek (18:21)
In fairness, I'm all for religious freedom, but this seems like a good, commonsense rule.

39.   Having sex with a man "as one does with a woman" (18:22)
There it is. THIS apparently is THE important one.

40.   Having sex with an animal (18:23)
The Scots apparently have generations of sending kindling to Hell...

41.   Making idols or "metal gods" (19:4)
Catholics, you may be in some trouble here...

42.   Reaping to the very edges of a field (19:9)
Yup. We're supposed to leave stuff for the poor and destitute to glean from the fields...

43.   Picking up grapes that have fallen in your vineyard (19:10)
Factory farming is the work of the Debbil...

44.   Stealing (19:11)
Congress and much of the legal system is so screwed...

45.   Lying (19:11)
Is there anything Congress CAN do then?

46.   Swearing falsely on God's name (19:12)
Pat Robertson and Congress apparently makes Jehovah wroth...

47.   Defrauding your neighbor (19:13)
Real estate and much of America is boned. You'll note how wroth folks are about this one, while being ghey is just the work of the Debbil...

48.   Holding back the wages of an employee overnight (19:13)
Paychecks are the work of the Debbil...

49.   Cursing the deaf or abusing the blind (19:14)
God is hard on douchebags...

50.   Perverting justice, showing partiality to either the poor or the rich (19:15)
Congress in both houses are boned...

51.   Spreading slander (19:16)
As are the tabloids...

52.   Doing anything to endanger a neighbour's life (19:16)
Most of America and the "here, hold my beer" crowd is screwed...

53.   Seeking revenge or bearing a grudge (19:18)
Congress...you are sooooooooo going ALL of you to Hell...

54.   Mixing fabrics in clothing (19:19)
Walmart, Sears, and Target. Agents of Satan...

55.   Cross-breeding animals (19:19)
God IS against GMO husbandry...

56.   Planting different seeds in the same field (19:19)
Put down the basil and the tomatoes. I don't care if they DO complement one another's growth, it's BAD!

57.   Sleeping with another man's slave (19:20)
Seriously. Bad form folks. Bad form.

58.   Eating fruit from a tree within four years of planting it (19:23)
The apple industry is the work of the Debbil...

59.   Practicing divination or seeking omens (tut, tut astrology) (19:26)
Miss Cleo is the work of the Debbil, and here we have this sin IN OUR PAPERS!

60.   Trimming your beard (19:27)
Look at all the dirty bastiches who do this. LOOK AT THEM!

61.   Cutting your hair at the sides (19:27)
The Marines are the work of the Debbil...

62.   Getting tattoos (19:28)
Tramp stamps and memorial tattoos are the work of the Debbil...

63.   Making your daughter prostitute herself (19:29)
Daytime TV is SUCH a sinful place...

64.   Turning to mediums or spiritualists (19:31)
Miss Cleo. Leading a nation into sin and depravity...

65.   Not standing in the presence of the elderly (19:32)
Welp, this one seems right out today...

66.   Mistreating foreigners - "the foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born"  (19:33-34)
Guess that means we can stop those Oathkeepers and Sheriff Joe from being mean to the immigrants then, right? Border fences are the Debbil's chopsticks I guess...

67.   Using dishonest weights and scales (19:35-36)
My industry is boned as a whole, as is pretty much most of the oil industry as well...

68.   Cursing your father or mother (punishable by death) (20:9)
Maury and the rest could have made a few bucks by televising the stonings though...

69.   Marrying a prostitute, divorcee or widow if you are a priest (21:7,13)
Odd, that you don't see more folks incensed by this...

70.   Entering a place where there's a dead body as a priest (21:11)
Which pretty much means that all our chaplains are boned.

71.   Slaughtering a cow/sheep and its young on the same day (22:28)
And in fairness, it's rude too. Eating mama and her babies is just greedy...

72.   Working on the Sabbath (23:3)
Sadly, this means no liquor stores open on Saturday or Sunday...

73.   Blasphemy (punishable by stoning to death) (24:14)
Man, we are going to need a LOT of stones. Just in the State legislatures, and let's not even get onto Congress...

74.   Inflicting an injury; killing someone else's animal; killing a person must be punished in kind (24:17-22)
This WOULD end cockfighting and dogfighting quick though...

75.   Selling land permanently (25:23)
Odd, you don't see more protests and signs around real estate agencies...

76.   Selling an Israelite as a slave (foreigners are fine) (25:42)
So, I guess we should be OK with slaves again?
2013-09-18 09:45:32 AM  
2 votes:

doyner: For those of you who don't want to click on the link, here it is in all its glory:

"Herpy-derpy-doo."

You're welcome.


Herpa, derpa, derpity doo
I've got another scandal for you
Herpa, derpa, derpity dee
If you are stupid you'll listen to me

What do you get when you keep libs around?
They'll push your religion into the ground
American Christians don't have a chance
Libs are making us...as bad...as...France
(But we'll never surrender)

Herpa, derpa, derpity dar
If you're an atheist Muslim you will go far
You won't be killed for expressing a view
Like the herpa derpity derpity do!
2013-09-18 09:33:04 AM  
2 votes:

Mikey1969: 5. This one seems like it hasn't really been established yet. Right now, it's a bunch of He said, She said. Why don't you get back to us when you have a case?


balki1867: OK #4 and #5 were the only ones that sound like discrimination and I'm too lazy to research those further to see if the author omitted some key details.


Regarding the Air Force guy at #5: he wasn't fired, his tour was up, his replacement had arrived a month early, and so they sent him to his next duty station.  In fact, the only place I've heard anything about a court-martial for this guy is from Townhall/WND/Brietbart/other right-wing sites which blatantly discriminate against objective reality and the 9th Commandment.
2013-09-18 09:27:03 AM  
2 votes:
As a Christian, I would just like to say that most of us are decent human beings. Sadly we also have our complete nutjob wack-a-dos who happen to shout far louder than the rest of us.

/Might've done a fist pump when Falwell died.
2013-09-18 09:17:09 AM  
2 votes:
OK, here goes:

1. Yeah, that seems pretty bad. Can we get some more details by any chance? Was this just some misinformed moron, or was this actual policy?

2.    It's well known that the IRS targeted his political enemies in the Tea Party, but the IRS also targeted his Christian enemies in the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association. Actually, what is well  known amongst those with functioning brains, is that the IRS targeted groups on both sides of the aisle. Besides, how often have you been audited, and when was the last time? An audit means nothing assholes, people get audited by the IRS all of the time. Otherwise, a bunch of comedians would have a big hole in their routines.

3. So your problem is that the courts decided that what they were doing is fine. Got it. Ohhhh, it was because they got arrested for reading the Bible. Hope you got your panties in the same bunch when the Occupy people got arrested... Or even better, I hope you were outraged when those protesters in Berkeley got pepper sprayed. You see where this is going, right?

4. Yeah, I'm not happy about this one, whenever some version hits the news. The Folk should be able to find another way to express their displeasure. I find it hilarious though that one of their examples of discrimination is that the business owner couldn't discriminate against someone, that seems to me like you wouldn't want it on the list.

5. This one seems like it hasn't really been established yet. Right now, it's a bunch of He said, She said. Why don't you get back to us when you have a case?

6. Yeah, we have to get permits for everything, assholes. That includes permits to tie up public lands for group events. Man up. I KNOW that you plan your baptism parties in advance, getting a permit is nothing more than what the rest of America goes through.

7. Wait, nobody discriminated because the farking University IMMEDIATELY stopped these proceedings AND suspended the professor involved?

Seriously, you farktards need to learn what discrimination actually is, especially since you're so good at discriminating against other groups... LOL, putting the cake one in is priceless. "I'm being discriminated against because I tried to discriminate against someone first!!!".
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-09-18 09:06:07 AM  
2 votes:

factoryconnection: urbangirl: Local elected officials are responding by doubling down on city council meeting prayers and their attorneys are backing them up.

Everyone likes a theocracy when it is their particular brand in charge.


When "Christian" becomes the official religion then the Baptists will start with the crap that the Catholics aren't real Christians.  It doesn't end.  If you're against genocide then separation of church and state is the only sane policy.
2013-09-18 09:03:09 AM  
2 votes:

SoupGuru: Don't get me started on how awful it is to be a white male in this country.  You have no idea the kinds of things I'm expected to put up with.  I'm certainly not coddled like those knee-grows and messicans.  It's a burden.


"shiat, there ain't a white man in this room that would change places with me. None of you would change places with me. And l'm rich! That's how good it is to be white. There's a white, one-legged busboy in here right now... that won't change places with my black ass. He's going, ''No, man, l don't wanna switch. l wanna ride this white thing out."

s3.amazonaws.com
2013-09-18 08:53:33 AM  
2 votes:

abb3w: The bible-reading court case and the national park baptisms are both interesting. However, the former seems less a case of "Christian persecution" than "cops persecute everyone"; and mass baptisms may well trigger some threshold of "number of people gathered", which would be a neutral and generally applicable rule which applies to religion and non-religion alike.

The others I'd heard more about; and doyner's "Herpy-derpy-doo." seems a fair summary of his descriptions, from what I recollect.


I didn't read the bible reading case, but I suspect 'bible reading' may be a euphemism for 'shouting Leviticus at Teh Gayz' or 'throwing ourselves into people's paths to ask whether they wanted to read the Bible'
2013-09-18 08:50:37 AM  
2 votes:
Which of you farkers posted the "ITS OUR COUNTRY WAHHH" comment on the blog?

I'm guessing subby.
2013-09-18 08:40:31 AM  
2 votes:
20.  We never get any good bands.  We have to listen to Christian rap and then we have to tell people "did you ever listen to DC Talk?  They're really positive."  That's so lame.

21.  All of our celebrities turn out to be whores.  Whether it's Britney, Miley, Beyonce... all of them.  It's all Jesus this and Jesus that and then they turn 19 and they're performing anallingus on national TV with a bear.  It's embarassing.

22.  Have you ever had the misfortune of listening to Christian comedians?  Anything with the word Christian on the front is bound to be bad.  Christian Comedy is like Diet Coke or Sugar-Free Jello.  They tell you it sucks right on the label.
2013-09-18 07:36:54 AM  
2 votes:
Your blog sucks.
2013-09-18 01:56:39 AM  
2 votes:
I'm sorry, are we throwing you farkers to lions for entertainment again? When did I miss that?

Oh we're not? Shut the fark up.
2013-09-18 01:16:13 PM  
1 votes:
fc03.deviantart.net

Hello, Mr. Hawkins. I'd like to play a game.
You list one, actual, contextual, factual instance of Christian DISCRIMINATION in this country.
I will list three against people of other religions. We'll see who runs out first.
2013-09-18 01:01:30 PM  
1 votes:

ole prophet: Brian_of_Nazareth: ole prophet: sprawl15: ole prophet: #4 is completely insane. If some a-hole refuses to make a cake for you because he/she is in fact a a-hole, take your money elsewhere.

If someone refuses to make a cake for you because of your skin color, that's a civil rights violation and can be treated as such.

No it isn't. And it shouldn't be. You posted to public forums, you talk to the media, you mock and ridicule, and take your money elsewhere. A business has the right to refuse service for any reason they see fit.

So you're OK with "No Coloreds" signs?

Cheers.

They didn't have a sign that said that. They refused service for a stupid reason, but it is their call to refuse service. They didn't take money then not deliver; they didn't charge more just because they were homosexual. Those are would be true legal matters. Being stupid and turning down business is not.


You're wrong in both fact and principle. And if I were to open a business and refuse service to Christians, these very same people claiming that right would flip their goddamn lids.

Hell, they thought it was discrimination that people were boycotting Chick-fil-a in protest of the owner's bigotry.
2013-09-18 12:52:27 PM  
1 votes:
Still better than the list of 27,402 examples of discrimination by Christians.
2013-09-18 12:48:04 PM  
1 votes:
FTA - The majority of Americans are Christians, but we're not treated with respect by the culture, the schools, or by our politicians.


"for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." - Galatians 6:7
2013-09-18 12:29:41 PM  
1 votes:

sprawl15: ole prophet: #4 is completely insane. If some a-hole refuses to make a cake for you because he/she is in fact a a-hole, take your money elsewhere.

If someone refuses to make a cake for you because of your skin color, that's a civil rights violation and can be treated as such.


No it isn't. And it shouldn't be. You posted to public forums, you talk to the media, you mock and ridicule, and take your money elsewhere. A business has the right to refuse service for any reason they see fit.
2013-09-18 12:22:02 PM  
1 votes:

wxboy: BMulligan: strathcona: HindiDiscoMonster: d23: factoryconnection: urbangirl: Local elected officials are responding by doubling down on city council meeting prayers and their attorneys are backing them up.

Everyone likes a theocracy when it is their particular brand in charge.

When "Christian" becomes the official religion then the Baptists will start with the crap that the Catholics aren't real Christians.  It doesn't end.  If you're against genocide then separation of church and state is the only sane policy.

well... Catholics aren't Christian. They are Idolaters

Are you retarded?  Just asking.

You've never heard this point of view from an Evangelical Christian? I used to hear it all the time, when my family was identifiably Catholic and I went to school with born-agains.

IIRC from my childhood as an Evangelical, the implication is that Catholics worship Mary and the other saints almost on the same level as God and Jesus, including pilgrimages to holy sites associated with them, and therefore are breaking the 2nd commandment at least, and possibly the 1st.


The thing is: we HAD official state religions. Each state had an official state religion when we got the Articles of Confederation. It led to a lot of folks getting burned out of their homes, run out of the state, and it wasn't just Baptists who joined the fun either. We tried it once, and it led to such "good times" that we scrapped the idea, and got a secular government to avoid such things. It's not that the Founders were against religion entirely, but they saw, first hand, what state supported faiths could do to a very American population: turn neighbor against neighbor and covet their stuff and use faith as a bludgeon...
2013-09-18 12:18:34 PM  
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spongeboob: 4. If the potential year in jail is true that is horrible, got a non-wing nut source on that?


i have never heard of the cake jail story, but it sounds like key facts are being ignored.  not making someone a cake is necessarily a civil, not criminal, dispute.  If someone says, hey do this, and you say no, there is absolutely nothing to dispute, no one has a duty to enter a contract against their will, generally.

so, my theory is that he agreed to make the cake, took the money, found out it was for a gay wedding, and then refused to make the cake.  the couple sued for performance (to make the cake) or breach of contract or return of the money.  and then the court ordered the guy to return the money or make the cake.  when he refused, he was in contempt of court.

contempt of court is the pretty much the only way a civil case can result in jail time.
2013-09-18 11:35:11 AM  
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HMS_Blinkin: John Hawkins is fat, stupid, and a waste of oxygen.


Wombat where I come from (Waste Of Money, Business And Time)
2013-09-18 11:28:23 AM  
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tryptik: This may be the stupidest thing I have ever read.


If some people could be made to understand why they feel stepping on a piece of paper with the word "Jesus" written on it is outrageous, perhaps they could begin to understand why some others my be insulted by things like burning the Quran.
2013-09-18 10:59:46 AM  
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Here's some persecution.  Can we please change our National Motto back to E Pluribus Unum?  I was actually shocked to find out that it's actually "In god we trust."
2013-09-18 10:34:48 AM  
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sweetmelissa31: Oppressed
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Oppressed
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Not Oppressed
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Oppressed
www.godless.biz

Oppressed
thetablet.org

Oppressed
upload.wikimedia.org

Oppressed
wp.patheos.com

Not oppressed:

The constitutions of these seven US states ban atheists from holding public office:

Arkansas:
"No person who denies the being of a God shall hold any office in the civil departments of this State, nor be competent to testify as a witness in any Court."

Maryland:
"That no religious test ought ever to be required as a qualification for any office of profit or trust in this State, other than a declaration of belief in the existence of God; nor shall the Legislature prescribe any other oath of office than the oath prescribed by this Constitution."

Mississippi:
"No person who denies the existence of a Supreme Being shall hold any office in this state."

North Carolina:
"The following persons shall be disqualified for office: First, any person who shall deny the being of Almighty God."

South Carolina:
"No person who denies the existence of a Supreme Being shall hold any office under this Constitution."

Tennessee:
"No person who denies the being of God, or a future state of rewards and punishments, shall hold any office in the civil department of this state."

Texas:
"No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being."An eighth state constitution discriminates against atheists by affording special protection to theists only.

Pennsylvania:
"No person who acknowledges the being of a God and a future state of rewards and punishments shall, on account of his religious sentiments, be disqualified to hold any office or place of trust or profit under this Commonwealth."


It certainly appears the real assh0les here are the theists.
2013-09-18 10:16:43 AM  
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1.bp.blogspot.com

then repeat, repeat, repeat.

I am starting to think throwing them to the lions was a good plan after all.
2013-09-18 09:44:13 AM  
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Christians are not being discriminated against in America. That is all.
2013-09-18 09:36:47 AM  
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Can someone list or give links to a brief summary of these?  I don't want to give this whackjob a page view.
2013-09-18 09:34:34 AM  
1 votes:
I saw this pile of bullshiat on Monday and wondered when it would get greened here.
2013-09-18 09:28:11 AM  
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FourDirections: Meh, this is rhetoric from a right-wing website trying to push wedges deeper to make religion more of a political issue in hopes of deepening their base. Not that "right-wing news" wasn't a clue.

Dear Right Wing News: I consider myself a Christian. I'll let others take from their religions (Christian or otherwise) what they will, but here's what it means to me: Be good. Be honest. Be kind. Help those in need. Do the right thing when it's difficult. Do what needs to be done because it's the right thing, not because it's the easy thing. Do not judge others, but strive constantly to follow the example that Christ showed: kindness and mercy, charity and humility.

As far as you trying to turn the most private and sensitive part of my life into a political wedge, I can tell you this: no thank you. My religion and my politics will always be separate, and your attempt to make me feel somehow persecuted by it feels hollow and disingenuous. You don't speak for me. So with all due respect, kindly shove it up your ass.


Well said. I, too, am a Christian, yet I somehow don't feel the urge to shove that fact down everyone's throat or force those around me to conform to my own personal beliefs. The marriage of politics and religion corrupts both. How this proven statement hasn't been made apparent to all our brothers and sisters in Christ, I will never understand.
2013-09-18 09:27:48 AM  
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webron: iq_in_binary: I'm sorry, are we throwing you farkers to lions for entertainment again? When did I miss that?

Oh we're not? Shut the fark up.

Oddly enough, there is no evidence that the whole feeding christians to the lions thing ever happened.  Christianity has been lying about being oppressed from the start.  The romans could not care less about what gods people worshipped.  Thank god there is nothing in the bible that forbids lying.  As far as i can tell from dealing with christians is that the whole bible is about how much god hates gay people.  They must use a different bible than the one i read growing up.


It's based mostly on cultural memory from a 1950s big-budget MGM movie called "Quo Vadis" in which the lovely Deborah Kerr played a Christian slave who was tied to a stake in the arena and a bull (not a lion) was set to attack and gore her, but then Jethro Bodine's father saved her.
2013-09-18 09:27:13 AM  
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FourDirections: I consider myself a Christian. I'll let others take from their religions (Christian or otherwise) what they will, but here's what it means to me: Be good. Be honest. Be kind. Help those in need. Do the right thing when it's difficult. Do what needs to be done because it's the right thing, not because it's the easy thing. Do not judge others, but strive constantly to follow the example that Christ showed: kindness and mercy, charity and humility.


I'm a non-believer but what you describe is how I try to live. I am not always successful, but it is my aim.
2013-09-18 09:20:53 AM  
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OK #4 and #5 were the only ones that sound like discrimination and I'm too lazy to research those further to see if the author omitted some key details.

#7 is the one that amazed me the most -- as this was an example where the system actually upheld the Christian follower's right to his religious beliefs but somehow he was the one being discriminated against.
2013-09-18 09:16:32 AM  
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Discrimination is not a protected religious activity
2013-09-18 09:01:37 AM  
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factoryconnection: urbangirl: Local elected officials are responding by doubling down on city council meeting prayers and their attorneys are backing them up.

Everyone likes a theocracy when it is their particular brand in charge.


I truly don't see what's so hard to understand about the concept of government neutrality.
2013-09-18 08:59:20 AM  
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urbangirl: Local elected officials are responding by doubling down on city council meeting prayers and their attorneys are backing them up.


Everyone likes a theocracy when it is their particular brand in charge.
2013-09-18 08:43:45 AM  
1 votes:
Only these folks could be offended a court upheld their religious rights.
2013-09-18 08:31:09 AM  
1 votes:
Islamic fundamentalists are also being discriminated against since they can't behead women in public in the US for being educated.
2013-09-18 08:23:05 AM  
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The bible-reading court case and the national park baptisms are both interesting. However, the former seems less a case of "Christian persecution" than "cops persecute everyone"; and mass baptisms may well trigger some threshold of "number of people gathered", which would be a neutral and generally applicable rule which applies to religion and non-religion alike.

The others I'd heard more about; and doyner's "Herpy-derpy-doo." seems a fair summary of his descriptions, from what I recollect.
2013-09-18 08:03:46 AM  
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It's only discrimination if anti-religious stuff is targeted solely at Christians.  And codified.
2013-09-18 06:39:06 AM  
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Yes, there were actually Americans arrested for reading the Bible on public property. What do you think the chances are that two Muslims reading the Quran would have been arrested under the same circumstances?

Those damn Muslins.  They get all the preferential treatment.
 
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