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2013-09-18 09:27:19 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: d23: factoryconnection: urbangirl: Local elected officials are responding by doubling down on city council meeting prayers and their attorneys are backing them up.

Everyone likes a theocracy when it is their particular brand in charge.

When "Christian" becomes the official religion then the Baptists will start with the crap that the Catholics aren't real Christians.  It doesn't end.  If you're against genocide then separation of church and state is the only sane policy.

well... Catholics aren't Christian. They are Idolaters


proof.  I rest my case.
 
2013-09-18 09:27:25 AM  

Karac: OK, lets take a look at this list.

Two guys arrested for reading their Bibles at the DMV.  Well, that does sound shady.  Let's drop their names into the googles and see what else we can find on the case.

Well, it turns out they weren't just reading their Bibles.  They were reading out loud and preaching to everyone who was standing in line.  Yeah, it think that was good bust.  The DMV isn't your church.  I'd expect the cops to arrest anyone in there who starts yelling about sky-wizards, flaming bushes, and zombies.

Oh, and he's even got the Air Force vet who's up on charges for opposing gay marriage.  Or, as you find out if you dig a bit, he's up on charges for refusing to tell one of his junior airmen who was teaching a training class that he can't run off at the mouth about how homo's shouldn't be allowed in the military.  And he's upset that when he talked to investigators they read him his rights.  Because apparently he thinks cops don't do that to everyone they interrogate .



It's almost like he has to lie in order to make his "point".

I'm sure if a couple of mooslams started reading the koran out loud in a DMV all the libs would cheer...right?


/telling lies in order to paint yourself as some sort of martyr is pathetic.
//that's some twisted morality you've got there fundies. Hope you fade away soon.
 
2013-09-18 09:27:48 AM  

webron: iq_in_binary: I'm sorry, are we throwing you farkers to lions for entertainment again? When did I miss that?

Oh we're not? Shut the fark up.

Oddly enough, there is no evidence that the whole feeding christians to the lions thing ever happened.  Christianity has been lying about being oppressed from the start.  The romans could not care less about what gods people worshipped.  Thank god there is nothing in the bible that forbids lying.  As far as i can tell from dealing with christians is that the whole bible is about how much god hates gay people.  They must use a different bible than the one i read growing up.


It's based mostly on cultural memory from a 1950s big-budget MGM movie called "Quo Vadis" in which the lovely Deborah Kerr played a Christian slave who was tied to a stake in the arena and a bull (not a lion) was set to attack and gore her, but then Jethro Bodine's father saved her.
 
2013-09-18 09:28:11 AM  

FourDirections: Meh, this is rhetoric from a right-wing website trying to push wedges deeper to make religion more of a political issue in hopes of deepening their base. Not that "right-wing news" wasn't a clue.

Dear Right Wing News: I consider myself a Christian. I'll let others take from their religions (Christian or otherwise) what they will, but here's what it means to me: Be good. Be honest. Be kind. Help those in need. Do the right thing when it's difficult. Do what needs to be done because it's the right thing, not because it's the easy thing. Do not judge others, but strive constantly to follow the example that Christ showed: kindness and mercy, charity and humility.

As far as you trying to turn the most private and sensitive part of my life into a political wedge, I can tell you this: no thank you. My religion and my politics will always be separate, and your attempt to make me feel somehow persecuted by it feels hollow and disingenuous. You don't speak for me. So with all due respect, kindly shove it up your ass.


Well said. I, too, am a Christian, yet I somehow don't feel the urge to shove that fact down everyone's throat or force those around me to conform to my own personal beliefs. The marriage of politics and religion corrupts both. How this proven statement hasn't been made apparent to all our brothers and sisters in Christ, I will never understand.
 
2013-09-18 09:30:33 AM  
So what?  This does not matter.
 
2013-09-18 09:31:24 AM  

randomjsa: 4. That is discrimination... and the Christians were the ones doing the discriminating, but as it was a private business they should have that right. Don't shop there if you don't like it.


I agree with this in principle, but I'll further it by saying that all businesses, Christian or not, are held to the same anti-discrimination standards against protected classes.  In that state, sexual orientation is a protected class just like race, religion, gender, et cetera.  So that they're being held to the same standards as all others is something they see as discrimination.

I was surprised by this when the Seattle florist story came out, though, because I didn't know that states would enforce anti-discrimination policy in customer service.  I figured that was entirely a market/public shaming function.  There I go, flaunting my white privilege again.
 
2013-09-18 09:32:10 AM  
One more time, GIFed.
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-09-18 09:33:04 AM  

Mikey1969: 5. This one seems like it hasn't really been established yet. Right now, it's a bunch of He said, She said. Why don't you get back to us when you have a case?


balki1867: OK #4 and #5 were the only ones that sound like discrimination and I'm too lazy to research those further to see if the author omitted some key details.


Regarding the Air Force guy at #5: he wasn't fired, his tour was up, his replacement had arrived a month early, and so they sent him to his next duty station.  In fact, the only place I've heard anything about a court-martial for this guy is from Townhall/WND/Brietbart/other right-wing sites which blatantly discriminate against objective reality and the 9th Commandment.
 
2013-09-18 09:34:34 AM  
I saw this pile of bullshiat on Monday and wondered when it would get greened here.
 
2013-09-18 09:34:55 AM  

sarajlewis83: Well said. I, too, am a Christian, yet I somehow don't feel the urge to shove that fact down everyone's throat or force those around me to conform to my own personal beliefs. The marriage of politics and religion corrupts both. How this proven statement hasn't been made apparent to all our brothers and sisters in Christ, I will never understand.


A lot of churches constantly push evangelizing as something their parishoners should constantly do, and if you heard this message every Sunday morning for your whole life, it might take root.  Figure that, as an indiscriminate instruction, it is going to be received by a  lot of people that are just terrible at expressing ideas to others, and so you get the blowhard, jam-it-down-your-throat types.

Others just evangelize by, you know, doing good deeds without all the jibbah-jabbah.
 
2013-09-18 09:35:04 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: The disciminaton in this case only stopped because the Govenor became involved.


FTFA:

But, before the system could roll over Rotela, a funny thing happened. The word about what was happening to him got out, Christians became outraged, and suddenly the university's tune quickly changed. "FAU's Senior Vice President for Student Affairs, Dr. Charles Brown, has since issued a groveling formal apology." Next thing you know, the disciplinary action was waved off.

No "Governor" anywhere in that. Wait, here he is:

Now, comes word that the professor, Deandre Poole, has been put on administrative leave following a withering public response, that included complaints from the Governor of Florida, Rick Scott.

According to the article, the Governor is only involved in the cry to get the professor canned.
 
2013-09-18 09:35:16 AM  

rev. dave: So what?  This does not matter.


What doesn't matter?
 
2013-09-18 09:36:47 AM  
Can someone list or give links to a brief summary of these?  I don't want to give this whackjob a page view.
 
2013-09-18 09:37:12 AM  

BSABSVR: I saw this pile of bullshiat on Monday and wondered when it would get greened here.


It served some good: today I learned that "Right Wing News" is news for oppressed conservatives, not news about "oppressed" "conservatives."  I may have them confused with "Right Wing Watch," or maybe I'm not thinking clearly because at 9am someone had already burned popcorn and stunk up the whole office.
 
2013-09-18 09:38:14 AM  

balki1867: OK #4 and #5 were the only ones that sound like discrimination and I'm too lazy to research those further to see if the author omitted some key details.


The 'year in prison' was an attorney for the cake shop talking about the maximum penalty in the worst case:
"The complainants can sue him civilly in the regular courts system or he can potentially be prosecuted by the district attorney for up to twelve months in jail."
In reality:
The complaint seeks to force Masterpiece Cakeshop to "cease and desist" the practice of refusing wedding cakes for gay couples, and to tell the public that their business is open to everyone.
#5 was a case where there was an instructor at Lackland telling his trainees that same sex marriage was comparative to the fall of Rome, and the guy who was "fired" disagreed with his commanding officer's decision to put a stop to it. Later, he was asked about his positions, he said he would refuse to answer. His CO told him that he was no longer permitted to openly disagree with gay marriage and he said "if that were the case, it might be better if he went on leave". She obliged. That's important because he wasn't fired, he was basically sent away a month early for a regular rotation.

Then he went crying to the media, and then cried more when he found out that's a UCMJ violation.
 
2013-09-18 09:38:28 AM  

randomjsa: 1. That's not discrimination. That's somebody finally getting around to enforcing the establishment clause.
2. The IRS scandal, in all its forms, was legitimate government discrimination, but it wasn't against Christians.
3. That's not discrimination. Being an annoying bastard to a captive audience was thought to be a crime, it turns out that it wasn't. This is how the law works.
4. That is discrimination... and the Christians were the ones doing the discriminating, but as it was a private business they should have that right. Don't shop there if you don't like it.
5. The good old 'simple disagreement' defense. If your religion said it was okay to discriminate against people based on race, gender, or religious practices (all of which it does by the way) would it be okay for you as a military officer to advocate it because your religion says so?
6. If you want special and exclusive permission to use a public park for something, then get a permit, otherwise if I show up and start running a jet ski up and down the place which disrupts your baptism, you don't get to complain about it.
7. Oh my they actually got 1 out of 7 right! They really did find actual honest to goodness discrimination against Christians that was legitimately wrong. I will give them this one. They are actually correct.


I'd say that even #7 is questionable, since the dipute seems to have been that the student refused to participate in a class assignment. When people started getting angry, they halted all proceedings against him. I'd bet that there are thousands of people out there who have had disciplinary action taken against them for something equally as silly(For example, refusing to participate in animal dissection) who STILL got booted from school purely because they didn't get to play the "Christian" card.
 
2013-09-18 09:43:54 AM  

Karac: Mikey1969: 5. This one seems like it hasn't really been established yet. Right now, it's a bunch of He said, She said. Why don't you get back to us when you have a case?

balki1867: OK #4 and #5 were the only ones that sound like discrimination and I'm too lazy to research those further to see if the author omitted some key details.

Regarding the Air Force guy at #5: he wasn't fired, his tour was up, his replacement had arrived a month early, and so they sent him to his next duty station.  In fact, the only place I've heard anything about a court-martial for this guy is from Townhall/WND/Brietbart/other right-wing sites which blatantly discriminate against objective reality and the 9th Commandment.


Interesting.... Thanks for the added details.

sprawl15: #5 was a case where there was an instructor at Lackland telling his trainees that same sex marriage was comparative to the fall of Rome, and the guy who was "fired" disagreed with his commanding officer's decision to put a stop to it. Later, he was asked about his positions, he said he would refuse to answer. His CO told him that he was no longer permitted to openly disagree with gay marriage and he said "if that were the case, it might be better if he went on leave". She obliged. That's important because he wasn't fired, he was basically sent away a month early for a regular rotation.

Then he went crying to the media, and then cried more when he found out that's a UCMJ violation.


Thank you as well...
 
2013-09-18 09:44:13 AM  
Christians are not being discriminated against in America. That is all.
 
2013-09-18 09:44:36 AM  
I'm shocked the list wasn't:
1. Gays
2. Gays
3. Gays
4. Gays
5. Gays
6. Gays
7. Abortion.
 
2013-09-18 09:44:45 AM  
My obese golden retriever Dusty is a better writer than John Hawkins.
 
2013-09-18 09:45:32 AM  

doyner: For those of you who don't want to click on the link, here it is in all its glory:

"Herpy-derpy-doo."

You're welcome.


Herpa, derpa, derpity doo
I've got another scandal for you
Herpa, derpa, derpity dee
If you are stupid you'll listen to me

What do you get when you keep libs around?
They'll push your religion into the ground
American Christians don't have a chance
Libs are making us...as bad...as...France
(But we'll never surrender)

Herpa, derpa, derpity dar
If you're an atheist Muslim you will go far
You won't be killed for expressing a view
Like the herpa derpity derpity do!
 
2013-09-18 09:46:14 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: The disciminaton in this case only stopped because the Govenor became involved. The University (had the Govenor not been involved) would have punished the student and the professor would have gotten away scott free. I think the point of that one is that it shouldn't have happened in the first place, nor should that action have been supported by the University in question.


That's the problem.  Christians want to claim there is systematic discrimination against them in this country, but in this case, it really was just one person who was being discriminatory and when the 'system' became aware of it, he was shut down immediately.  It's impossible to shut individuals being bigoted but its critical that the larger system be set up to shut down this sort of bigotry.  In this situation, it worked correctly. Even if you want to consider individual bigotry as the true measure of discrimination in the US, Christians have nothing on their Islamic/Jewish/Hindu/Sikh/whatever counterparts.
 
2013-09-18 09:46:16 AM  

randomjsa: 7. Oh my they actually got 1 out of 7 right! They really did find actual honest to goodness discrimination against Christians that was legitimately wrong. I will give them this one. They are actually correct.


Actually, no. Here are the instructions from the lesson the professor was using:

"Have the students write the name JESUS in big letters on a piece of paper," the lesson reads. "Ask the students to stand up and put the paper on the floor in front of them with the name facing up. Ask the students to think about it for a moment. After a brief period of silence instruct them to step on the paper. Most will hesitate. Ask why they can't step on the paper. Discuss the importance of symbols in culture."

The whole point was examine why they didn't want to step on the paper.

The student was actually punished for verbal threats against the professor.
 
2013-09-18 09:46:52 AM  

Mikey1969: I'd say that even #7 is questionable, since the dipute seems to have been that the student refused to participate in a class assignment. When people started getting angry, they halted all proceedings against him. I'd bet that there are thousands of people out there who have had disciplinary action taken against them for something equally as silly(For example, refusing to participate in animal dissection) who STILL got booted from school purely because they didn't get to play the "Christian" card.


The assignment if I recall correctly was to take a picture of Jesus and step on it, to show the power that symbols have in our culture.  Now, this obviously sent a bunch of students up a tree with discomfort or anger, which the prof had to have anticipated.  That makes the experiment successful, but the prof could have stopped it at any moment and said "see?  Now do some research and write a paper to explain WHY we get so attached to symbols."

So that's one solid point for the oppressed majority to... let me tally this... over 9000 to their hated foes: actually discriminated-against minorities.
 
2013-09-18 09:47:41 AM  

BunkoSquad: doyner: For those of you who don't want to click on the link, here it is in all its glory:

"Herpy-derpy-doo."

You're welcome.

Herpa, derpa, derpity doo
I've got another scandal for you
Herpa, derpa, derpity dee
If you are stupid you'll listen to me

What do you get when you keep libs around?
They'll push your religion into the ground
American Christians don't have a chance
Libs are making us...as bad...as...France
(But we'll never surrender)

Herpa, derpa, derpity dar
If you're an atheist Muslim you will go far
You won't be killed for expressing a view
Like the herpa derpity derpity do!


Shiat, I'm going to be singing this in my head all day now.
 
2013-09-18 09:48:07 AM  

balthan: The whole point was examine why they didn't want to step on the paper.

The student was actually punished for verbal threats against the professor.


Did he force them to step on it?  I've not read the story in a while.
 
2013-09-18 09:48:34 AM  

factoryconnection: BSABSVR: I saw this pile of bullshiat on Monday and wondered when it would get greened here.

It served some good: today I learned that "Right Wing News" is news for oppressed conservatives, not news about "oppressed" "conservatives."  I may have them confused with "Right Wing Watch," or maybe I'm not thinking clearly because at 9am someone had already burned popcorn and stunk up the whole office.


I hate those bastards. They deserve crucifixion.
 
2013-09-18 09:50:00 AM  
Separation of church and government is discrimination.
 
2013-09-18 09:50:04 AM  

bborchar: Shiat, I'm going to be singing this in my head all day now.


Yeah, me too
 
2013-09-18 09:51:33 AM  

factoryconnection: Did he force them to step on it?  I've not read the story in a while.


No, participation was optional.
 
2013-09-18 09:54:28 AM  

factoryconnection: Gordon Bennett: Lorelle: It's nothing but "WAAAAH! How dare others tell us that we can't shove our religion down everyone's throats!"

Well, half of it is pure paranoia "If it was Muslims they wouldn't be held accountable for their activities they way Christians are!" and the other half is the usual twaddle from a bigot outraged to not be allowed to oppress others in the name of Jesus.

Another reading: half was "waah we're held to the same standards as regular Americans" and half was "waah you can't openly discriminate against gays in public service any more."  I mean, it was bad enough when the government started protecting blacks and Jews, but now gays, too?  Since when can't we openly bash gays FOR THE LORD?


I love my state, but sometimes it really pisses me off.
Kind of like that cousin you don't want to invite to stuff: You knows he's a jackass, but he's still family.
 
2013-09-18 09:54:48 AM  

factoryconnection: Mikey1969: I'd say that even #7 is questionable, since the dipute seems to have been that the student refused to participate in a class assignment. When people started getting angry, they halted all proceedings against him. I'd bet that there are thousands of people out there who have had disciplinary action taken against them for something equally as silly(For example, refusing to participate in animal dissection) who STILL got booted from school purely because they didn't get to play the "Christian" card.

The assignment if I recall correctly was to take a picture of Jesus and step on it, to show the power that symbols have in our culture.  Now, this obviously sent a bunch of students up a tree with discomfort or anger, which the prof had to have anticipated.  That makes the experiment successful, but the prof could have stopped it at any moment and said "see?  Now do some research and write a paper to explain WHY we get so attached to symbols."

So that's one solid point for the oppressed majority to... let me tally this... over 9000 to their hated foes: actually discriminated-against minorities.


I still don't think that it's "discrimination", they just used the most popular religion in this country while also making sure that they weren't using the religion that is known to blow people up for this stuff. To me, "discrimination" would have been if they purposely singled out only the Christians and only made them do it.

I agree that they didn't need to carry the experiment all of the way through. They made their point when people started to get uncomfortable.
 
2013-09-18 09:55:51 AM  
Whenever someone tells me, "Merry Christmas" I sneer and correct them, "It's Happy Holidays you liberal commie!" Then I pull the constitution from my pocket and read the second amendment.
 
2013-09-18 09:57:23 AM  
Let me guess, they all involve Christians not being able to impose their beliefs on others.
 
2013-09-18 10:03:17 AM  
Wake me up when people are using them for firewood.
 
2013-09-18 10:05:42 AM  
I got halfway through #1 and realized this man this man has a very different definition of the word "discrimination".
 
2013-09-18 10:06:32 AM  
I expected the list to be pointless complaining, but damn.  For every single one of those I was like "yeah, well that makes sense".

OMG the courts ruled that some jerkoffs were allowed to read the bible aloud in front of the DMV.  WTF are you complaining about? You won.
 
2013-09-18 10:07:13 AM  
It's almost as if someone doesn't understand how the government is supposed to work.

1) Distributing food from a government agency, means that they are in de facto, distributing food for a government agency. The government cannot support one faith over others, and if they want assistance in their cause from a government agency, then they have to support it without regard to religion.

2) The IRS targeted the organization because oddly enough, fraud in international ventures is not terrible uncommon. In fact, it's often used as an excuse to move money overseas for entirely different purposes than humanitarian aid.

3) See the establishment clause again.

4) Maybe folks should consider NOT discriminating against folks? Just a thought. I wonder, do these folks likewise refuse to make cakes for second marriages after divorce? Second marriages after adultery occurred? For folks of differing faiths? They're being civilly sued, but the charge of discrimination is up for attorneys to hash out.

5) A GI is facing the music for not realizing that many of his rights are suspended when he willingly puts on the uniform, and is then an arm for said government. His rights for free speech are likewise impeded for a fair amount of his duties, and could even see him up on charges of treason.

6) It was less a matter of discrimination, than accommodating park users equally. In the same way you sort of need a permit to use public lands for all sorts of other things. You know, like marriages, or otherwise occupying parts of the park, like for camping. It's so that folks know where folks are going to be, to be able to steer folks away so that you're not disturbed by random passers by.

7) This is actually a case where the professor was being a douche. Not discrimination, as much as an incident where a professor was a douche.
 
2013-09-18 10:07:55 AM  

BunkoSquad: doyner: For those of you who don't want to click on the link, here it is in all its glory:

"Herpy-derpy-doo."

You're welcome.

Herpa, derpa, derpity doo
I've got another scandal for you
Herpa, derpa, derpity dee
If you are stupid you'll listen to me

What do you get when you keep libs around?
They'll push your religion into the ground
American Christians don't have a chance
Libs are making us...as bad...as...France
(But we'll never surrender)

Herpa, derpa, derpity dar
If you're an atheist Muslim you will go far
You won't be killed for expressing a view
Like the herpa derpity derpity do!


I want to have your Internet babies.
 
2013-09-18 10:14:24 AM  
FARK needs an INTERDASTING tag.
 
2013-09-18 10:16:43 AM  

1.bp.blogspot.com


then repeat, repeat, repeat.

I am starting to think throwing them to the lions was a good plan after all.
 
2013-09-18 10:19:48 AM  
Oppressed
www.skepticmoney.com

Oppressed
media.pennlive.com

Not Oppressed
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-09-18 10:24:11 AM  

webron: They must use a different bible than the one i read growing up.


I feel like my copy must be out of date too.

In MY copy Jesus really didn't do all that much hating at all. He helped the poor, the sick, the prostitutes, and all matter of outcast. He seemed all hyped up on love and tolerance and all that hippy liberal crap. You know, judge not, love your neighbor, rich man going to heaven like camel through a needle eye. That stuff.

Sure the Old Testament god was a badass and did a boatload of smiting. But he also said that he and he alone was allowed to judge and or smite.

I'm not sure I want a copy of the new edition. Sounds like they farked it up bad. Prosperity and hate are good. Helping the unfortunate is wrong. Yikes. The sequel always pales compared to the original I guess.
 
2013-09-18 10:25:50 AM  
Reading the Bible in a way that leads to disturbing the peace results in charges of Disturbing the Peace, not charges of Reading the Bible.
 
2013-09-18 10:25:59 AM  

sweetmelissa31: Oppressed
[www.skepticmoney.com image 300x225]

Oppressed
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Not Oppressed
[upload.wikimedia.org image 407x434]


Finally!  Someone understands my pain!
 
2013-09-18 10:27:57 AM  

sarajlewis83: FourDirections: Meh, this is rhetoric from a right-wing website trying to push wedges deeper to make religion more of a political issue in hopes of deepening their base. Not that "right-wing news" wasn't a clue.

Dear Right Wing News: I consider myself a Christian. I'll let others take from their religions (Christian or otherwise) what they will, but here's what it means to me: Be good. Be honest. Be kind. Help those in need. Do the right thing when it's difficult. Do what needs to be done because it's the right thing, not because it's the easy thing. Do not judge others, but strive constantly to follow the example that Christ showed: kindness and mercy, charity and humility.

As far as you trying to turn the most private and sensitive part of my life into a political wedge, I can tell you this: no thank you. My religion and my politics will always be separate, and your attempt to make me feel somehow persecuted by it feels hollow and disingenuous. You don't speak for me. So with all due respect, kindly shove it up your ass.

Well said. I, too, am a Christian, yet I somehow don't feel the urge to shove that fact down everyone's throat or force those around me to conform to my own personal beliefs. The marriage of politics and religion corrupts both. How this proven statement hasn't been made apparent to all our brothers and sisters in Christ, I will never understand.


There are a lot of people in this country who call themselves Christians, but they couldn't be further from embodying what Jesus tought and following his example of how to behave with compassion and humility. They are actually members of social organizations which make them feel proud about their hollow sense of self-righteousness and their bumfark backward values.

If there is any such thing as the anti-Christ, these false Christians that live their lives counter to Jesus's example and that are having such a terrible effect on the country are it.
 
2013-09-18 10:30:28 AM  
John Hawkins? Is that the same John Hawkins who tweeted "A white woman voting for Barack Obama is like a black woman voting for the KKK" ?

Because that guy is a pip.
 
2013-09-18 10:31:48 AM  
1. Yes choose either help the poor or give them  a sermon is that so freaking hard,  if you are only helping the poor so you can browbeat them into being good Christians fark off, I am sure no one in Florida would have a problem with a Mosque having the Koran and pictures of Muhamed at it's food center underlined segment is sarcasm
2. Franklin Graham has a problem with responding to the IRS, fine pay your taxes, don't complain about having to provide information to the IRS so that you can function as a tax free orginization.
3. I think the chances of two Muslims reading the Koran on public property being arrested are quite farking high, anybody complaining about churches or Christian social centers being built in NYC?  And dumbass they were found not guilty.
4. If the potential year in jail is true that is horrible, got a non-wing nut source on that?
5. This has already been covered in another Fark thread
6. The governement is not denying churches the right to Baptise they are just asking them to apply to do it on public land, not the same thing.  I guess Christians should just be able to hold Baptisms anywhere anytime on public land, hold up on that swim meet we are going to Baptise sister Eunice again, she has reccently returned to the fold and wishes to make her loyalty to Jesus public, now all of you please bow your heads with us for the prayer.  You know it would happen.
7. How was the Christian persecuted in this story? and do you have a citation for this story you cite your own farking column. okay if I follow the link in your own linked article I find another article from another right wing source that includes this about the student
against Rotela, accusing him of everything from talking back to the professor to threatening his physical safety.
Google lead me to this lesson plan for the class
Have the students write the name JESUS in big letters on a piece of paper," the lesson reads. "Ask the students to stand up and put the paper on the floor in front of them with the name facing up. Ask the students to think about it for a moment. After a brief period of silence instruct them to step on the paper. Most will hesitate. Ask why they can't step on the paper. Discuss the importance of symbols in culture.
 
2013-09-18 10:33:00 AM  
An entire orchestra of teeny tiny violins is required to do that article justice.
 
2013-09-18 10:34:03 AM  

Mikey1969: factoryconnection: Mikey1969: I'd say that even #7 is questionable, since the dipute seems to have been that the student refused to participate in a class assignment. When people started getting angry, they halted all proceedings against him. I'd bet that there are thousands of people out there who have had disciplinary action taken against them for something equally as silly(For example, refusing to participate in animal dissection) who STILL got booted from school purely because they didn't get to play the "Christian" card.

The assignment if I recall correctly was to take a picture of Jesus and step on it, to show the power that symbols have in our culture.  Now, this obviously sent a bunch of students up a tree with discomfort or anger, which the prof had to have anticipated.  That makes the experiment successful, but the prof could have stopped it at any moment and said "see?  Now do some research and write a paper to explain WHY we get so attached to symbols."

So that's one solid point for the oppressed majority to... let me tally this... over 9000 to their hated foes: actually discriminated-against minorities.

I still don't think that it's "discrimination", they just used the most popular religion in this country while also making sure that they weren't using the religion that is known to blow people up for this stuff. To me, "discrimination" would have been if they purposely singled out only the Christians and only made them do it.

I agree that they didn't need to carry the experiment all of the way through. They made their point when people started to get uncomfortable.


If they were bashing gays and allowed both gays and straights to gaybash, would you say all the students were treated equally because it wasn't gays singled out for doing the bashing?
 
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