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2013-09-18 12:57:09 AM  
How John Hawkins sees their plight:

www.kingsacademy.com

How everyone else sees their plight:

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2013-09-18 01:08:00 AM  
Oh look, another article from the esteemed mind that brought us '5 reasons cats are inferior to dogs', '7 types of chicks who annoy everyone by their very existence', '5 reasons Barack Obama is a creep', and, 'Is American life really slanted in favor of women more than men?' (And yes, he argues exactly what you'd expect him to in that last one).
 
2013-09-18 01:08:17 AM  
I read that and feel stupider for having done so.
 
2013-09-18 01:10:51 AM  
www.atheistinfundyland.com
 
2013-09-18 01:11:12 AM  
Was Tayvon Martin on the list?  Because I'm pretty sure he was a Christian.
 
2013-09-18 01:56:39 AM  
I'm sorry, are we throwing you farkers to lions for entertainment again? When did I miss that?

Oh we're not? Shut the fark up.
 
2013-09-18 02:00:53 AM  

iq_in_binary: I'm sorry, are we throwing you farkers to lions for entertainment again? When did I miss that?

Oh we're not? Shut the fark up.


This is what happens when you feed middle American Christians to lions:

4.bp.blogspot.com

That cat is just a six pack away from watching fox news all day.
 
2013-09-18 02:06:38 AM  
For those of you who don't want to click on the link, here it is in all its glory:

"Herpy-derpy-doo."

You're welcome.
 
2013-09-18 02:11:06 AM  
It's nothing but "WAAAAH! How dare others tell us that we can't shove our religion down everyone's throats!"
 
2013-09-18 02:14:36 AM  
The first example was ridiculous and it went downhill from there.  Basically a charity was getting subsidised by the taxpayer and cried "we're being persecuted" when Uncle Sam said they can't relabel taxpayer-funded food as "Brought to you by Jesus."
 
2013-09-18 06:29:57 AM  

doyner: For those of you who don't want to click on the link, here it is in all its glory:

"Herpy-derpy-doo."

You're welcome.


Thank you. Very succinct.
 
2013-09-18 06:39:06 AM  
Yes, there were actually Americans arrested for reading the Bible on public property. What do you think the chances are that two Muslims reading the Quran would have been arrested under the same circumstances?

Those damn Muslins.  They get all the preferential treatment.
 
2013-09-18 07:15:45 AM  

Lorelle: It's nothing but "WAAAAH! How dare others tell us that we can't shove our religion down everyone's throats!"


Well, half of it is pure paranoia "If it was Muslims they wouldn't be held accountable for their activities they way Christians are!" and the other half is the usual twaddle from a bigot outraged to not be allowed to oppress others in the name of Jesus.
 
2013-09-18 07:36:54 AM  
Your blog sucks.
 
2013-09-18 07:54:56 AM  
Meh, this is rhetoric from a right-wing website trying to push wedges deeper to make religion more of a political issue in hopes of deepening their base. Not that "right-wing news" wasn't a clue.

Dear Right Wing News: I consider myself a Christian. I'll let others take from their religions (Christian or otherwise) what they will, but here's what it means to me: Be good. Be honest. Be kind. Help those in need. Do the right thing when it's difficult. Do what needs to be done because it's the right thing, not because it's the easy thing. Do not judge others, but strive constantly to follow the example that Christ showed: kindness and mercy, charity and humility.

As far as you trying to turn the most private and sensitive part of my life into a political wedge, I can tell you this: no thank you. My religion and my politics will always be separate, and your attempt to make me feel somehow persecuted by it feels hollow and disingenuous. You don't speak for me. So with all due respect, kindly shove it up your ass.
 
2013-09-18 08:03:46 AM  
It's only discrimination if anti-religious stuff is targeted solely at Christians.  And codified.
 
2013-09-18 08:06:08 AM  

doyner: For those of you who don't want to click on the link, here it is in all its glory:

"Herpy-derpy-doo."

You're welcome.


It's not news, it's RightWingBlogNewsThingy.com.
 
2013-09-18 08:23:05 AM  
The bible-reading court case and the national park baptisms are both interesting. However, the former seems less a case of "Christian persecution" than "cops persecute everyone"; and mass baptisms may well trigger some threshold of "number of people gathered", which would be a neutral and generally applicable rule which applies to religion and non-religion alike.

The others I'd heard more about; and doyner's "Herpy-derpy-doo." seems a fair summary of his descriptions, from what I recollect.
 
2013-09-18 08:31:09 AM  
Islamic fundamentalists are also being discriminated against since they can't behead women in public in the US for being educated.
 
2013-09-18 08:40:31 AM  
20.  We never get any good bands.  We have to listen to Christian rap and then we have to tell people "did you ever listen to DC Talk?  They're really positive."  That's so lame.

21.  All of our celebrities turn out to be whores.  Whether it's Britney, Miley, Beyonce... all of them.  It's all Jesus this and Jesus that and then they turn 19 and they're performing anallingus on national TV with a bear.  It's embarassing.

22.  Have you ever had the misfortune of listening to Christian comedians?  Anything with the word Christian on the front is bound to be bad.  Christian Comedy is like Diet Coke or Sugar-Free Jello.  They tell you it sucks right on the label.
 
2013-09-18 08:42:47 AM  
I don't see why people have to attack timeless principles all the time.  There is nothing wrong with living according to the principles that Jesus modled.   Cast the first stone if you must.
 
2013-09-18 08:43:10 AM  
Should be posted again...

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2013-09-18 08:43:45 AM  
Only these folks could be offended a court upheld their religious rights.
 
2013-09-18 08:44:03 AM  
John Hawkins is fat, stupid, and a waste of oxygen.
 
2013-09-18 08:44:19 AM  
Don't get me started on how awful it is to be a white male in this country.  You have no idea the kinds of things I'm expected to put up with.  I'm certainly not coddled like those knee-grows and messicans.  It's a burden.
 
2013-09-18 08:48:56 AM  

doyner: For those of you who don't want to click on the link, here it is in all its glory:

"Herpy-derpy-doo."

You're welcome.


I figured as much, and I'll take your word for it as I dislike giving attention whores page views.  I appreciate your sacrifice.
 
2013-09-18 08:50:37 AM  
Which of you farkers posted the "ITS OUR COUNTRY WAHHH" comment on the blog?

I'm guessing subby.
 
2013-09-18 08:52:01 AM  
Written By : John Hawkins...

farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2013-09-18 08:52:21 AM  

iq_in_binary: I'm sorry, are we throwing you farkers to lions for entertainment again? When did I miss that?

Oh we're not? Shut the fark up.


Again? It never happened the first time.  Early Christians made that up to fill their ever present sense of victimhood.  Some things never change.
 
2013-09-18 08:52:35 AM  

iq_in_binary: I'm sorry, are we throwing you farkers to lions for entertainment again? When did I miss that?

Oh we're not? Shut the fark up.


Oddly enough, there is no evidence that the whole feeding christians to the lions thing ever happened.  Christianity has been lying about being oppressed from the start.  The romans could not care less about what gods people worshipped.  Thank god there is nothing in the bible that forbids lying.  As far as i can tell from dealing with christians is that the whole bible is about how much god hates gay people.  They must use a different bible than the one i read growing up.
 
2013-09-18 08:52:56 AM  

iq_in_binary: I'm sorry, are we throwing you farkers to lions for entertainment again? When did I miss that?

Oh we're not? Shut the fark up.


we stopped since it gives them gas.
 
2013-09-18 08:53:33 AM  

abb3w: The bible-reading court case and the national park baptisms are both interesting. However, the former seems less a case of "Christian persecution" than "cops persecute everyone"; and mass baptisms may well trigger some threshold of "number of people gathered", which would be a neutral and generally applicable rule which applies to religion and non-religion alike.

The others I'd heard more about; and doyner's "Herpy-derpy-doo." seems a fair summary of his descriptions, from what I recollect.


I didn't read the bible reading case, but I suspect 'bible reading' may be a euphemism for 'shouting Leviticus at Teh Gayz' or 'throwing ourselves into people's paths to ask whether they wanted to read the Bible'
 
2013-09-18 08:53:39 AM  
I want my 2 1/2 minutes back.
 
2013-09-18 08:56:27 AM  
Here in Kentucky, there's currently a rather large kerfuffle because the state School Board send letters to the locals telling them they can't allow Gideons to hand out Bibles to second graders IN SCHOOL DURING SCHOOL HOURS.  Evidently this has been going on for years and someone finally complained to the ACLU.

Local elected officials are responding by doubling down on city council meeting prayers and their attorneys are backing them up.
 
2013-09-18 08:57:59 AM  

Gordon Bennett: Lorelle: It's nothing but "WAAAAH! How dare others tell us that we can't shove our religion down everyone's throats!"

Well, half of it is pure paranoia "If it was Muslims they wouldn't be held accountable for their activities they way Christians are!" and the other half is the usual twaddle from a bigot outraged to not be allowed to oppress others in the name of Jesus.


Another reading: half was "waah we're held to the same standards as regular Americans" and half was "waah you can't openly discriminate against gays in public service any more."  I mean, it was bad enough when the government started protecting blacks and Jews, but now gays, too?  Since when can't we openly bash gays FOR THE LORD?
 
2013-09-18 08:58:50 AM  

webron: Thank god there is nothing in the bible that forbids lying.


There is the bit about bearing false witness....
 
2013-09-18 08:59:20 AM  

urbangirl: Local elected officials are responding by doubling down on city council meeting prayers and their attorneys are backing them up.


Everyone likes a theocracy when it is their particular brand in charge.
 
2013-09-18 08:59:25 AM  
John Hawkins is discriminated against when they put the fat-free mayonnaise on a higher shelf forcing him to buy the 5 gallon tub of the regular
 
2013-09-18 09:01:37 AM  

factoryconnection: urbangirl: Local elected officials are responding by doubling down on city council meeting prayers and their attorneys are backing them up.

Everyone likes a theocracy when it is their particular brand in charge.


I truly don't see what's so hard to understand about the concept of government neutrality.
 
2013-09-18 09:03:09 AM  

SoupGuru: Don't get me started on how awful it is to be a white male in this country.  You have no idea the kinds of things I'm expected to put up with.  I'm certainly not coddled like those knee-grows and messicans.  It's a burden.


"shiat, there ain't a white man in this room that would change places with me. None of you would change places with me. And l'm rich! That's how good it is to be white. There's a white, one-legged busboy in here right now... that won't change places with my black ass. He's going, ''No, man, l don't wanna switch. l wanna ride this white thing out."

s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-09-18 09:05:41 AM  
Well, I've met my pseudo-christian derp quota for the day.

I really shouldn't have read that right after breakfast.
 
2013-09-18 09:06:07 AM  

factoryconnection: urbangirl: Local elected officials are responding by doubling down on city council meeting prayers and their attorneys are backing them up.

Everyone likes a theocracy when it is their particular brand in charge.


When "Christian" becomes the official religion then the Baptists will start with the crap that the Catholics aren't real Christians.  It doesn't end.  If you're against genocide then separation of church and state is the only sane policy.
 
2013-09-18 09:13:13 AM  

clancifer: How everyone else sees their plight:


Waka waka waka
 
2013-09-18 09:13:30 AM  
OK, lets take a look at this list.

Two guys arrested for reading their Bibles at the DMV.  Well, that does sound shady.  Let's drop their names into the googles and see what else we can find on the case.

Well, it turns out they weren't just reading their Bibles.  They were reading out loud and preaching to everyone who was standing in line.  Yeah, it think that was good bust.  The DMV isn't your church.  I'd expect the cops to arrest anyone in there who starts yelling about sky-wizards, flaming bushes, and zombies.

Oh, and he's even got the Air Force vet who's up on charges for opposing gay marriage.  Or, as you find out if you dig a bit, he's up on charges for refusing to tell one of his junior airmen who was teaching a training class that he can't run off at the mouth about how homo's shouldn't be allowed in the military.  And he's upset that when he talked to investigators they read him his rights.  Because apparently he thinks cops don't do that to everyone they interrogate .
 
2013-09-18 09:16:32 AM  
Discrimination is not a protected religious activity
 
2013-09-18 09:17:09 AM  
OK, here goes:

1. Yeah, that seems pretty bad. Can we get some more details by any chance? Was this just some misinformed moron, or was this actual policy?

2.    It's well known that the IRS targeted his political enemies in the Tea Party, but the IRS also targeted his Christian enemies in the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association. Actually, what is well  known amongst those with functioning brains, is that the IRS targeted groups on both sides of the aisle. Besides, how often have you been audited, and when was the last time? An audit means nothing assholes, people get audited by the IRS all of the time. Otherwise, a bunch of comedians would have a big hole in their routines.

3. So your problem is that the courts decided that what they were doing is fine. Got it. Ohhhh, it was because they got arrested for reading the Bible. Hope you got your panties in the same bunch when the Occupy people got arrested... Or even better, I hope you were outraged when those protesters in Berkeley got pepper sprayed. You see where this is going, right?

4. Yeah, I'm not happy about this one, whenever some version hits the news. The Folk should be able to find another way to express their displeasure. I find it hilarious though that one of their examples of discrimination is that the business owner couldn't discriminate against someone, that seems to me like you wouldn't want it on the list.

5. This one seems like it hasn't really been established yet. Right now, it's a bunch of He said, She said. Why don't you get back to us when you have a case?

6. Yeah, we have to get permits for everything, assholes. That includes permits to tie up public lands for group events. Man up. I KNOW that you plan your baptism parties in advance, getting a permit is nothing more than what the rest of America goes through.

7. Wait, nobody discriminated because the farking University IMMEDIATELY stopped these proceedings AND suspended the professor involved?

Seriously, you farktards need to learn what discrimination actually is, especially since you're so good at discriminating against other groups... LOL, putting the cake one in is priceless. "I'm being discriminated against because I tried to discriminate against someone first!!!".
 
2013-09-18 09:20:53 AM  
OK #4 and #5 were the only ones that sound like discrimination and I'm too lazy to research those further to see if the author omitted some key details.

#7 is the one that amazed me the most -- as this was an example where the system actually upheld the Christian follower's right to his religious beliefs but somehow he was the one being discriminated against.
 
2013-09-18 09:25:08 AM  
1. That's not discrimination. That's somebody finally getting around to enforcing the establishment clause.
2. The IRS scandal, in all its forms, was legitimate government discrimination, but it wasn't against Christians.
3. That's not discrimination. Being an annoying bastard to a captive audience was thought to be a crime, it turns out that it wasn't. This is how the law works.
4. That is discrimination... and the Christians were the ones doing the discriminating, but as it was a private business they should have that right. Don't shop there if you don't like it.
5. The good old 'simple disagreement' defense. If your religion said it was okay to discriminate against people based on race, gender, or religious practices (all of which it does by the way) would it be okay for you as a military officer to advocate it because your religion says so?
6. If you want special and exclusive permission to use a public park for something, then get a permit, otherwise if I show up and start running a jet ski up and down the place which disrupts your baptism, you don't get to complain about it.
7. Oh my they actually got 1 out of 7 right! They really did find actual honest to goodness discrimination against Christians that was legitimately wrong. I will give them this one. They are actually correct.
 
2013-09-18 09:27:03 AM  
As a Christian, I would just like to say that most of us are decent human beings. Sadly we also have our complete nutjob wack-a-dos who happen to shout far louder than the rest of us.

/Might've done a fist pump when Falwell died.
 
2013-09-18 09:27:13 AM  

FourDirections: I consider myself a Christian. I'll let others take from their religions (Christian or otherwise) what they will, but here's what it means to me: Be good. Be honest. Be kind. Help those in need. Do the right thing when it's difficult. Do what needs to be done because it's the right thing, not because it's the easy thing. Do not judge others, but strive constantly to follow the example that Christ showed: kindness and mercy, charity and humility.


I'm a non-believer but what you describe is how I try to live. I am not always successful, but it is my aim.
 
2013-09-18 09:27:19 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: d23: factoryconnection: urbangirl: Local elected officials are responding by doubling down on city council meeting prayers and their attorneys are backing them up.

Everyone likes a theocracy when it is their particular brand in charge.

When "Christian" becomes the official religion then the Baptists will start with the crap that the Catholics aren't real Christians.  It doesn't end.  If you're against genocide then separation of church and state is the only sane policy.

well... Catholics aren't Christian. They are Idolaters


proof.  I rest my case.
 
2013-09-18 09:27:25 AM  

Karac: OK, lets take a look at this list.

Two guys arrested for reading their Bibles at the DMV.  Well, that does sound shady.  Let's drop their names into the googles and see what else we can find on the case.

Well, it turns out they weren't just reading their Bibles.  They were reading out loud and preaching to everyone who was standing in line.  Yeah, it think that was good bust.  The DMV isn't your church.  I'd expect the cops to arrest anyone in there who starts yelling about sky-wizards, flaming bushes, and zombies.

Oh, and he's even got the Air Force vet who's up on charges for opposing gay marriage.  Or, as you find out if you dig a bit, he's up on charges for refusing to tell one of his junior airmen who was teaching a training class that he can't run off at the mouth about how homo's shouldn't be allowed in the military.  And he's upset that when he talked to investigators they read him his rights.  Because apparently he thinks cops don't do that to everyone they interrogate .



It's almost like he has to lie in order to make his "point".

I'm sure if a couple of mooslams started reading the koran out loud in a DMV all the libs would cheer...right?


/telling lies in order to paint yourself as some sort of martyr is pathetic.
//that's some twisted morality you've got there fundies. Hope you fade away soon.
 
2013-09-18 09:27:48 AM  

webron: iq_in_binary: I'm sorry, are we throwing you farkers to lions for entertainment again? When did I miss that?

Oh we're not? Shut the fark up.

Oddly enough, there is no evidence that the whole feeding christians to the lions thing ever happened.  Christianity has been lying about being oppressed from the start.  The romans could not care less about what gods people worshipped.  Thank god there is nothing in the bible that forbids lying.  As far as i can tell from dealing with christians is that the whole bible is about how much god hates gay people.  They must use a different bible than the one i read growing up.


It's based mostly on cultural memory from a 1950s big-budget MGM movie called "Quo Vadis" in which the lovely Deborah Kerr played a Christian slave who was tied to a stake in the arena and a bull (not a lion) was set to attack and gore her, but then Jethro Bodine's father saved her.
 
2013-09-18 09:28:11 AM  

FourDirections: Meh, this is rhetoric from a right-wing website trying to push wedges deeper to make religion more of a political issue in hopes of deepening their base. Not that "right-wing news" wasn't a clue.

Dear Right Wing News: I consider myself a Christian. I'll let others take from their religions (Christian or otherwise) what they will, but here's what it means to me: Be good. Be honest. Be kind. Help those in need. Do the right thing when it's difficult. Do what needs to be done because it's the right thing, not because it's the easy thing. Do not judge others, but strive constantly to follow the example that Christ showed: kindness and mercy, charity and humility.

As far as you trying to turn the most private and sensitive part of my life into a political wedge, I can tell you this: no thank you. My religion and my politics will always be separate, and your attempt to make me feel somehow persecuted by it feels hollow and disingenuous. You don't speak for me. So with all due respect, kindly shove it up your ass.


Well said. I, too, am a Christian, yet I somehow don't feel the urge to shove that fact down everyone's throat or force those around me to conform to my own personal beliefs. The marriage of politics and religion corrupts both. How this proven statement hasn't been made apparent to all our brothers and sisters in Christ, I will never understand.
 
2013-09-18 09:30:33 AM  
So what?  This does not matter.
 
2013-09-18 09:31:24 AM  

randomjsa: 4. That is discrimination... and the Christians were the ones doing the discriminating, but as it was a private business they should have that right. Don't shop there if you don't like it.


I agree with this in principle, but I'll further it by saying that all businesses, Christian or not, are held to the same anti-discrimination standards against protected classes.  In that state, sexual orientation is a protected class just like race, religion, gender, et cetera.  So that they're being held to the same standards as all others is something they see as discrimination.

I was surprised by this when the Seattle florist story came out, though, because I didn't know that states would enforce anti-discrimination policy in customer service.  I figured that was entirely a market/public shaming function.  There I go, flaunting my white privilege again.
 
2013-09-18 09:32:10 AM  
One more time, GIFed.
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-09-18 09:33:04 AM  

Mikey1969: 5. This one seems like it hasn't really been established yet. Right now, it's a bunch of He said, She said. Why don't you get back to us when you have a case?


balki1867: OK #4 and #5 were the only ones that sound like discrimination and I'm too lazy to research those further to see if the author omitted some key details.


Regarding the Air Force guy at #5: he wasn't fired, his tour was up, his replacement had arrived a month early, and so they sent him to his next duty station.  In fact, the only place I've heard anything about a court-martial for this guy is from Townhall/WND/Brietbart/other right-wing sites which blatantly discriminate against objective reality and the 9th Commandment.
 
2013-09-18 09:34:34 AM  
I saw this pile of bullshiat on Monday and wondered when it would get greened here.
 
2013-09-18 09:34:55 AM  

sarajlewis83: Well said. I, too, am a Christian, yet I somehow don't feel the urge to shove that fact down everyone's throat or force those around me to conform to my own personal beliefs. The marriage of politics and religion corrupts both. How this proven statement hasn't been made apparent to all our brothers and sisters in Christ, I will never understand.


A lot of churches constantly push evangelizing as something their parishoners should constantly do, and if you heard this message every Sunday morning for your whole life, it might take root.  Figure that, as an indiscriminate instruction, it is going to be received by a  lot of people that are just terrible at expressing ideas to others, and so you get the blowhard, jam-it-down-your-throat types.

Others just evangelize by, you know, doing good deeds without all the jibbah-jabbah.
 
2013-09-18 09:35:04 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: The disciminaton in this case only stopped because the Govenor became involved.


FTFA:

But, before the system could roll over Rotela, a funny thing happened. The word about what was happening to him got out, Christians became outraged, and suddenly the university's tune quickly changed. "FAU's Senior Vice President for Student Affairs, Dr. Charles Brown, has since issued a groveling formal apology." Next thing you know, the disciplinary action was waved off.

No "Governor" anywhere in that. Wait, here he is:

Now, comes word that the professor, Deandre Poole, has been put on administrative leave following a withering public response, that included complaints from the Governor of Florida, Rick Scott.

According to the article, the Governor is only involved in the cry to get the professor canned.
 
2013-09-18 09:35:16 AM  

rev. dave: So what?  This does not matter.


What doesn't matter?
 
2013-09-18 09:36:47 AM  
Can someone list or give links to a brief summary of these?  I don't want to give this whackjob a page view.
 
2013-09-18 09:37:12 AM  

BSABSVR: I saw this pile of bullshiat on Monday and wondered when it would get greened here.


It served some good: today I learned that "Right Wing News" is news for oppressed conservatives, not news about "oppressed" "conservatives."  I may have them confused with "Right Wing Watch," or maybe I'm not thinking clearly because at 9am someone had already burned popcorn and stunk up the whole office.
 
2013-09-18 09:38:14 AM  

balki1867: OK #4 and #5 were the only ones that sound like discrimination and I'm too lazy to research those further to see if the author omitted some key details.


The 'year in prison' was an attorney for the cake shop talking about the maximum penalty in the worst case:
"The complainants can sue him civilly in the regular courts system or he can potentially be prosecuted by the district attorney for up to twelve months in jail."
In reality:
The complaint seeks to force Masterpiece Cakeshop to "cease and desist" the practice of refusing wedding cakes for gay couples, and to tell the public that their business is open to everyone.
#5 was a case where there was an instructor at Lackland telling his trainees that same sex marriage was comparative to the fall of Rome, and the guy who was "fired" disagreed with his commanding officer's decision to put a stop to it. Later, he was asked about his positions, he said he would refuse to answer. His CO told him that he was no longer permitted to openly disagree with gay marriage and he said "if that were the case, it might be better if he went on leave". She obliged. That's important because he wasn't fired, he was basically sent away a month early for a regular rotation.

Then he went crying to the media, and then cried more when he found out that's a UCMJ violation.
 
2013-09-18 09:38:28 AM  

randomjsa: 1. That's not discrimination. That's somebody finally getting around to enforcing the establishment clause.
2. The IRS scandal, in all its forms, was legitimate government discrimination, but it wasn't against Christians.
3. That's not discrimination. Being an annoying bastard to a captive audience was thought to be a crime, it turns out that it wasn't. This is how the law works.
4. That is discrimination... and the Christians were the ones doing the discriminating, but as it was a private business they should have that right. Don't shop there if you don't like it.
5. The good old 'simple disagreement' defense. If your religion said it was okay to discriminate against people based on race, gender, or religious practices (all of which it does by the way) would it be okay for you as a military officer to advocate it because your religion says so?
6. If you want special and exclusive permission to use a public park for something, then get a permit, otherwise if I show up and start running a jet ski up and down the place which disrupts your baptism, you don't get to complain about it.
7. Oh my they actually got 1 out of 7 right! They really did find actual honest to goodness discrimination against Christians that was legitimately wrong. I will give them this one. They are actually correct.


I'd say that even #7 is questionable, since the dipute seems to have been that the student refused to participate in a class assignment. When people started getting angry, they halted all proceedings against him. I'd bet that there are thousands of people out there who have had disciplinary action taken against them for something equally as silly(For example, refusing to participate in animal dissection) who STILL got booted from school purely because they didn't get to play the "Christian" card.
 
2013-09-18 09:43:54 AM  

Karac: Mikey1969: 5. This one seems like it hasn't really been established yet. Right now, it's a bunch of He said, She said. Why don't you get back to us when you have a case?

balki1867: OK #4 and #5 were the only ones that sound like discrimination and I'm too lazy to research those further to see if the author omitted some key details.

Regarding the Air Force guy at #5: he wasn't fired, his tour was up, his replacement had arrived a month early, and so they sent him to his next duty station.  In fact, the only place I've heard anything about a court-martial for this guy is from Townhall/WND/Brietbart/other right-wing sites which blatantly discriminate against objective reality and the 9th Commandment.


Interesting.... Thanks for the added details.

sprawl15: #5 was a case where there was an instructor at Lackland telling his trainees that same sex marriage was comparative to the fall of Rome, and the guy who was "fired" disagreed with his commanding officer's decision to put a stop to it. Later, he was asked about his positions, he said he would refuse to answer. His CO told him that he was no longer permitted to openly disagree with gay marriage and he said "if that were the case, it might be better if he went on leave". She obliged. That's important because he wasn't fired, he was basically sent away a month early for a regular rotation.

Then he went crying to the media, and then cried more when he found out that's a UCMJ violation.


Thank you as well...
 
2013-09-18 09:44:13 AM  
Christians are not being discriminated against in America. That is all.
 
2013-09-18 09:44:36 AM  
I'm shocked the list wasn't:
1. Gays
2. Gays
3. Gays
4. Gays
5. Gays
6. Gays
7. Abortion.
 
2013-09-18 09:44:45 AM  
My obese golden retriever Dusty is a better writer than John Hawkins.
 
2013-09-18 09:45:32 AM  

doyner: For those of you who don't want to click on the link, here it is in all its glory:

"Herpy-derpy-doo."

You're welcome.


Herpa, derpa, derpity doo
I've got another scandal for you
Herpa, derpa, derpity dee
If you are stupid you'll listen to me

What do you get when you keep libs around?
They'll push your religion into the ground
American Christians don't have a chance
Libs are making us...as bad...as...France
(But we'll never surrender)

Herpa, derpa, derpity dar
If you're an atheist Muslim you will go far
You won't be killed for expressing a view
Like the herpa derpity derpity do!
 
2013-09-18 09:46:14 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: The disciminaton in this case only stopped because the Govenor became involved. The University (had the Govenor not been involved) would have punished the student and the professor would have gotten away scott free. I think the point of that one is that it shouldn't have happened in the first place, nor should that action have been supported by the University in question.


That's the problem.  Christians want to claim there is systematic discrimination against them in this country, but in this case, it really was just one person who was being discriminatory and when the 'system' became aware of it, he was shut down immediately.  It's impossible to shut individuals being bigoted but its critical that the larger system be set up to shut down this sort of bigotry.  In this situation, it worked correctly. Even if you want to consider individual bigotry as the true measure of discrimination in the US, Christians have nothing on their Islamic/Jewish/Hindu/Sikh/whatever counterparts.
 
2013-09-18 09:46:16 AM  

randomjsa: 7. Oh my they actually got 1 out of 7 right! They really did find actual honest to goodness discrimination against Christians that was legitimately wrong. I will give them this one. They are actually correct.


Actually, no. Here are the instructions from the lesson the professor was using:

"Have the students write the name JESUS in big letters on a piece of paper," the lesson reads. "Ask the students to stand up and put the paper on the floor in front of them with the name facing up. Ask the students to think about it for a moment. After a brief period of silence instruct them to step on the paper. Most will hesitate. Ask why they can't step on the paper. Discuss the importance of symbols in culture."

The whole point was examine why they didn't want to step on the paper.

The student was actually punished for verbal threats against the professor.
 
2013-09-18 09:46:52 AM  

Mikey1969: I'd say that even #7 is questionable, since the dipute seems to have been that the student refused to participate in a class assignment. When people started getting angry, they halted all proceedings against him. I'd bet that there are thousands of people out there who have had disciplinary action taken against them for something equally as silly(For example, refusing to participate in animal dissection) who STILL got booted from school purely because they didn't get to play the "Christian" card.


The assignment if I recall correctly was to take a picture of Jesus and step on it, to show the power that symbols have in our culture.  Now, this obviously sent a bunch of students up a tree with discomfort or anger, which the prof had to have anticipated.  That makes the experiment successful, but the prof could have stopped it at any moment and said "see?  Now do some research and write a paper to explain WHY we get so attached to symbols."

So that's one solid point for the oppressed majority to... let me tally this... over 9000 to their hated foes: actually discriminated-against minorities.
 
2013-09-18 09:47:41 AM  

BunkoSquad: doyner: For those of you who don't want to click on the link, here it is in all its glory:

"Herpy-derpy-doo."

You're welcome.

Herpa, derpa, derpity doo
I've got another scandal for you
Herpa, derpa, derpity dee
If you are stupid you'll listen to me

What do you get when you keep libs around?
They'll push your religion into the ground
American Christians don't have a chance
Libs are making us...as bad...as...France
(But we'll never surrender)

Herpa, derpa, derpity dar
If you're an atheist Muslim you will go far
You won't be killed for expressing a view
Like the herpa derpity derpity do!


Shiat, I'm going to be singing this in my head all day now.
 
2013-09-18 09:48:07 AM  

balthan: The whole point was examine why they didn't want to step on the paper.

The student was actually punished for verbal threats against the professor.


Did he force them to step on it?  I've not read the story in a while.
 
2013-09-18 09:48:34 AM  

factoryconnection: BSABSVR: I saw this pile of bullshiat on Monday and wondered when it would get greened here.

It served some good: today I learned that "Right Wing News" is news for oppressed conservatives, not news about "oppressed" "conservatives."  I may have them confused with "Right Wing Watch," or maybe I'm not thinking clearly because at 9am someone had already burned popcorn and stunk up the whole office.


I hate those bastards. They deserve crucifixion.
 
2013-09-18 09:50:00 AM  
Separation of church and government is discrimination.
 
2013-09-18 09:50:04 AM  

bborchar: Shiat, I'm going to be singing this in my head all day now.


Yeah, me too
 
2013-09-18 09:51:33 AM  

factoryconnection: Did he force them to step on it?  I've not read the story in a while.


No, participation was optional.
 
2013-09-18 09:54:28 AM  

factoryconnection: Gordon Bennett: Lorelle: It's nothing but "WAAAAH! How dare others tell us that we can't shove our religion down everyone's throats!"

Well, half of it is pure paranoia "If it was Muslims they wouldn't be held accountable for their activities they way Christians are!" and the other half is the usual twaddle from a bigot outraged to not be allowed to oppress others in the name of Jesus.

Another reading: half was "waah we're held to the same standards as regular Americans" and half was "waah you can't openly discriminate against gays in public service any more."  I mean, it was bad enough when the government started protecting blacks and Jews, but now gays, too?  Since when can't we openly bash gays FOR THE LORD?


I love my state, but sometimes it really pisses me off.
Kind of like that cousin you don't want to invite to stuff: You knows he's a jackass, but he's still family.
 
2013-09-18 09:54:48 AM  

factoryconnection: Mikey1969: I'd say that even #7 is questionable, since the dipute seems to have been that the student refused to participate in a class assignment. When people started getting angry, they halted all proceedings against him. I'd bet that there are thousands of people out there who have had disciplinary action taken against them for something equally as silly(For example, refusing to participate in animal dissection) who STILL got booted from school purely because they didn't get to play the "Christian" card.

The assignment if I recall correctly was to take a picture of Jesus and step on it, to show the power that symbols have in our culture.  Now, this obviously sent a bunch of students up a tree with discomfort or anger, which the prof had to have anticipated.  That makes the experiment successful, but the prof could have stopped it at any moment and said "see?  Now do some research and write a paper to explain WHY we get so attached to symbols."

So that's one solid point for the oppressed majority to... let me tally this... over 9000 to their hated foes: actually discriminated-against minorities.


I still don't think that it's "discrimination", they just used the most popular religion in this country while also making sure that they weren't using the religion that is known to blow people up for this stuff. To me, "discrimination" would have been if they purposely singled out only the Christians and only made them do it.

I agree that they didn't need to carry the experiment all of the way through. They made their point when people started to get uncomfortable.
 
2013-09-18 09:55:51 AM  
Whenever someone tells me, "Merry Christmas" I sneer and correct them, "It's Happy Holidays you liberal commie!" Then I pull the constitution from my pocket and read the second amendment.
 
2013-09-18 09:57:23 AM  
Let me guess, they all involve Christians not being able to impose their beliefs on others.
 
2013-09-18 10:03:17 AM  
Wake me up when people are using them for firewood.
 
2013-09-18 10:05:42 AM  
I got halfway through #1 and realized this man this man has a very different definition of the word "discrimination".
 
2013-09-18 10:06:32 AM  
I expected the list to be pointless complaining, but damn.  For every single one of those I was like "yeah, well that makes sense".

OMG the courts ruled that some jerkoffs were allowed to read the bible aloud in front of the DMV.  WTF are you complaining about? You won.
 
2013-09-18 10:07:13 AM  
It's almost as if someone doesn't understand how the government is supposed to work.

1) Distributing food from a government agency, means that they are in de facto, distributing food for a government agency. The government cannot support one faith over others, and if they want assistance in their cause from a government agency, then they have to support it without regard to religion.

2) The IRS targeted the organization because oddly enough, fraud in international ventures is not terrible uncommon. In fact, it's often used as an excuse to move money overseas for entirely different purposes than humanitarian aid.

3) See the establishment clause again.

4) Maybe folks should consider NOT discriminating against folks? Just a thought. I wonder, do these folks likewise refuse to make cakes for second marriages after divorce? Second marriages after adultery occurred? For folks of differing faiths? They're being civilly sued, but the charge of discrimination is up for attorneys to hash out.

5) A GI is facing the music for not realizing that many of his rights are suspended when he willingly puts on the uniform, and is then an arm for said government. His rights for free speech are likewise impeded for a fair amount of his duties, and could even see him up on charges of treason.

6) It was less a matter of discrimination, than accommodating park users equally. In the same way you sort of need a permit to use public lands for all sorts of other things. You know, like marriages, or otherwise occupying parts of the park, like for camping. It's so that folks know where folks are going to be, to be able to steer folks away so that you're not disturbed by random passers by.

7) This is actually a case where the professor was being a douche. Not discrimination, as much as an incident where a professor was a douche.
 
2013-09-18 10:07:55 AM  

BunkoSquad: doyner: For those of you who don't want to click on the link, here it is in all its glory:

"Herpy-derpy-doo."

You're welcome.

Herpa, derpa, derpity doo
I've got another scandal for you
Herpa, derpa, derpity dee
If you are stupid you'll listen to me

What do you get when you keep libs around?
They'll push your religion into the ground
American Christians don't have a chance
Libs are making us...as bad...as...France
(But we'll never surrender)

Herpa, derpa, derpity dar
If you're an atheist Muslim you will go far
You won't be killed for expressing a view
Like the herpa derpity derpity do!


I want to have your Internet babies.
 
2013-09-18 10:14:24 AM  
FARK needs an INTERDASTING tag.
 
2013-09-18 10:16:43 AM  

1.bp.blogspot.com


then repeat, repeat, repeat.

I am starting to think throwing them to the lions was a good plan after all.
 
2013-09-18 10:19:48 AM  
Oppressed
www.skepticmoney.com

Oppressed
media.pennlive.com

Not Oppressed
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-09-18 10:24:11 AM  

webron: They must use a different bible than the one i read growing up.


I feel like my copy must be out of date too.

In MY copy Jesus really didn't do all that much hating at all. He helped the poor, the sick, the prostitutes, and all matter of outcast. He seemed all hyped up on love and tolerance and all that hippy liberal crap. You know, judge not, love your neighbor, rich man going to heaven like camel through a needle eye. That stuff.

Sure the Old Testament god was a badass and did a boatload of smiting. But he also said that he and he alone was allowed to judge and or smite.

I'm not sure I want a copy of the new edition. Sounds like they farked it up bad. Prosperity and hate are good. Helping the unfortunate is wrong. Yikes. The sequel always pales compared to the original I guess.
 
2013-09-18 10:25:50 AM  
Reading the Bible in a way that leads to disturbing the peace results in charges of Disturbing the Peace, not charges of Reading the Bible.
 
2013-09-18 10:25:59 AM  

sweetmelissa31: Oppressed
[www.skepticmoney.com image 300x225]

Oppressed
[media.pennlive.com image 380x249]

Not Oppressed
[upload.wikimedia.org image 407x434]


Finally!  Someone understands my pain!
 
2013-09-18 10:27:57 AM  

sarajlewis83: FourDirections: Meh, this is rhetoric from a right-wing website trying to push wedges deeper to make religion more of a political issue in hopes of deepening their base. Not that "right-wing news" wasn't a clue.

Dear Right Wing News: I consider myself a Christian. I'll let others take from their religions (Christian or otherwise) what they will, but here's what it means to me: Be good. Be honest. Be kind. Help those in need. Do the right thing when it's difficult. Do what needs to be done because it's the right thing, not because it's the easy thing. Do not judge others, but strive constantly to follow the example that Christ showed: kindness and mercy, charity and humility.

As far as you trying to turn the most private and sensitive part of my life into a political wedge, I can tell you this: no thank you. My religion and my politics will always be separate, and your attempt to make me feel somehow persecuted by it feels hollow and disingenuous. You don't speak for me. So with all due respect, kindly shove it up your ass.

Well said. I, too, am a Christian, yet I somehow don't feel the urge to shove that fact down everyone's throat or force those around me to conform to my own personal beliefs. The marriage of politics and religion corrupts both. How this proven statement hasn't been made apparent to all our brothers and sisters in Christ, I will never understand.


There are a lot of people in this country who call themselves Christians, but they couldn't be further from embodying what Jesus tought and following his example of how to behave with compassion and humility. They are actually members of social organizations which make them feel proud about their hollow sense of self-righteousness and their bumfark backward values.

If there is any such thing as the anti-Christ, these false Christians that live their lives counter to Jesus's example and that are having such a terrible effect on the country are it.
 
2013-09-18 10:30:28 AM  
John Hawkins? Is that the same John Hawkins who tweeted "A white woman voting for Barack Obama is like a black woman voting for the KKK" ?

Because that guy is a pip.
 
2013-09-18 10:31:48 AM  
1. Yes choose either help the poor or give them  a sermon is that so freaking hard,  if you are only helping the poor so you can browbeat them into being good Christians fark off, I am sure no one in Florida would have a problem with a Mosque having the Koran and pictures of Muhamed at it's food center underlined segment is sarcasm
2. Franklin Graham has a problem with responding to the IRS, fine pay your taxes, don't complain about having to provide information to the IRS so that you can function as a tax free orginization.
3. I think the chances of two Muslims reading the Koran on public property being arrested are quite farking high, anybody complaining about churches or Christian social centers being built in NYC?  And dumbass they were found not guilty.
4. If the potential year in jail is true that is horrible, got a non-wing nut source on that?
5. This has already been covered in another Fark thread
6. The governement is not denying churches the right to Baptise they are just asking them to apply to do it on public land, not the same thing.  I guess Christians should just be able to hold Baptisms anywhere anytime on public land, hold up on that swim meet we are going to Baptise sister Eunice again, she has reccently returned to the fold and wishes to make her loyalty to Jesus public, now all of you please bow your heads with us for the prayer.  You know it would happen.
7. How was the Christian persecuted in this story? and do you have a citation for this story you cite your own farking column. okay if I follow the link in your own linked article I find another article from another right wing source that includes this about the student
against Rotela, accusing him of everything from talking back to the professor to threatening his physical safety.
Google lead me to this lesson plan for the class
Have the students write the name JESUS in big letters on a piece of paper," the lesson reads. "Ask the students to stand up and put the paper on the floor in front of them with the name facing up. Ask the students to think about it for a moment. After a brief period of silence instruct them to step on the paper. Most will hesitate. Ask why they can't step on the paper. Discuss the importance of symbols in culture.
 
2013-09-18 10:33:00 AM  
An entire orchestra of teeny tiny violins is required to do that article justice.
 
2013-09-18 10:34:03 AM  

Mikey1969: factoryconnection: Mikey1969: I'd say that even #7 is questionable, since the dipute seems to have been that the student refused to participate in a class assignment. When people started getting angry, they halted all proceedings against him. I'd bet that there are thousands of people out there who have had disciplinary action taken against them for something equally as silly(For example, refusing to participate in animal dissection) who STILL got booted from school purely because they didn't get to play the "Christian" card.

The assignment if I recall correctly was to take a picture of Jesus and step on it, to show the power that symbols have in our culture.  Now, this obviously sent a bunch of students up a tree with discomfort or anger, which the prof had to have anticipated.  That makes the experiment successful, but the prof could have stopped it at any moment and said "see?  Now do some research and write a paper to explain WHY we get so attached to symbols."

So that's one solid point for the oppressed majority to... let me tally this... over 9000 to their hated foes: actually discriminated-against minorities.

I still don't think that it's "discrimination", they just used the most popular religion in this country while also making sure that they weren't using the religion that is known to blow people up for this stuff. To me, "discrimination" would have been if they purposely singled out only the Christians and only made them do it.

I agree that they didn't need to carry the experiment all of the way through. They made their point when people started to get uncomfortable.


If they were bashing gays and allowed both gays and straights to gaybash, would you say all the students were treated equally because it wasn't gays singled out for doing the bashing?
 
2013-09-18 10:34:48 AM  

sweetmelissa31: Oppressed
[www.skepticmoney.com image 300x225]

Oppressed
[media.pennlive.com image 380x249]

Not Oppressed
[upload.wikimedia.org image 407x434]


Oppressed
www.godless.biz

Oppressed
thetablet.org

Oppressed
upload.wikimedia.org

Oppressed
wp.patheos.com

Not oppressed:

The constitutions of these seven US states ban atheists from holding public office:

Arkansas:
"No person who denies the being of a God shall hold any office in the civil departments of this State, nor be competent to testify as a witness in any Court."

Maryland:
"That no religious test ought ever to be required as a qualification for any office of profit or trust in this State, other than a declaration of belief in the existence of God; nor shall the Legislature prescribe any other oath of office than the oath prescribed by this Constitution."

Mississippi:
"No person who denies the existence of a Supreme Being shall hold any office in this state."

North Carolina:
"The following persons shall be disqualified for office: First, any person who shall deny the being of Almighty God."

South Carolina:
"No person who denies the existence of a Supreme Being shall hold any office under this Constitution."

Tennessee:
"No person who denies the being of God, or a future state of rewards and punishments, shall hold any office in the civil department of this state."

Texas:
"No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being."An eighth state constitution discriminates against atheists by affording special protection to theists only.

Pennsylvania:
"No person who acknowledges the being of a God and a future state of rewards and punishments shall, on account of his religious sentiments, be disqualified to hold any office or place of trust or profit under this Commonwealth."


It certainly appears the real assh0les here are the theists.
 
2013-09-18 10:36:22 AM  

SoupGuru: Don't get me started on how awful it is to be a white male in this country.  You have no idea the kinds of things I'm expected to put up with.  I'm certainly not coddled like those knee-grows and messicans.  It's a burden.


I think this is the best explanation of the white man's burden. (Caution: YouTube auto-launches.)
 
2013-09-18 10:39:03 AM  

Zeno-25: sarajlewis83: FourDirections: Meh, this is rhetoric from a right-wing website trying to push wedges deeper to make religion more of a political issue in hopes of deepening their base. Not that "right-wing news" wasn't a clue.

Dear Right Wing News: I consider myself a Christian. I'll let others take from their religions (Christian or otherwise) what they will, but here's what it means to me: Be good. Be honest. Be kind. Help those in need. Do the right thing when it's difficult. Do what needs to be done because it's the right thing, not because it's the easy thing. Do not judge others, but strive constantly to follow the example that Christ showed: kindness and mercy, charity and humility.

As far as you trying to turn the most private and sensitive part of my life into a political wedge, I can tell you this: no thank you. My religion and my politics will always be separate, and your attempt to make me feel somehow persecuted by it feels hollow and disingenuous. You don't speak for me. So with all due respect, kindly shove it up your ass.

Well said. I, too, am a Christian, yet I somehow don't feel the urge to shove that fact down everyone's throat or force those around me to conform to my own personal beliefs. The marriage of politics and religion corrupts both. How this proven statement hasn't been made apparent to all our brothers and sisters in Christ, I will never understand.

There are a lot of people in this country who call themselves Christians, but they couldn't be further from embodying what Jesus tought and following his example of how to behave with compassion and humility. They are actually members of social organizations which make them feel proud about their hollow sense of self-righteousness and their bumfark backward values.

If there is any such thing as the anti-Christ, these false Christians that live their lives counter to Jesus's example and that are having such a terrible effect on the country are it.


I'd say it's about 90% of self identified Christians don't even try to follow the rules.  Sure nobody is perfect, but you need to at least try to follow what you claim to believe.
 
2013-09-18 10:42:20 AM  

doyner: For those of you who don't want to click on the link, here it is in all its glory:

"Herpy-derpy-doo."

You're welcome.


msg-ctrl.com
 
2013-09-18 10:53:36 AM  

balthan: Actually, no. Here are the instructions from the lesson the professor was using:

"Have the students write the name JESUS in big letters on a piece of paper," the lesson reads. "Ask the students to stand up and put the paper on the floor in front of them with the name facing up. Ask the students to think about it for a moment. After a brief period of silence instruct them to step on the paper. Most will hesitate. Ask why they can't step on the paper. Discuss the importance of symbols in culture."


This may be the stupidest thing I have ever read.
 
2013-09-18 10:54:01 AM  

sarajlewis83: FourDirections: Meh, this is rhetoric from a right-wing website trying to push wedges deeper to make religion more of a political issue in hopes of deepening their base. Not that "right-wing news" wasn't a clue.

Dear Right Wing News: I consider myself a Christian. I'll let others take from their religions (Christian or otherwise) what they will, but here's what it means to me: Be good. Be honest. Be kind. Help those in need. Do the right thing when it's difficult. Do what needs to be done because it's the right thing, not because it's the easy thing. Do not judge others, but strive constantly to follow the example that Christ showed: kindness and mercy, charity and humility.

As far as you trying to turn the most private and sensitive part of my life into a political wedge, I can tell you this: no thank you. My religion and my politics will always be separate, and your attempt to make me feel somehow persecuted by it feels hollow and disingenuous. You don't speak for me. So with all due respect, kindly shove it up your ass.

Well said. I, too, am a Christian, yet I somehow don't feel the urge to shove that fact down everyone's throat or force those around me to conform to my own personal beliefs. The marriage of politics and religion corrupts both. How this proven statement hasn't been made apparent to all our brothers and sisters in Christ, I will never understand.


Probably because most of them aren't actually religious - religion is just a way of getting to insert any desired policy they want into their platform without having to actually justify it on any grounds, as long as they claim their religion tells them to, for example, ban gays marrying, that is seen by many as a perfectly reasonable basis to campaign on (even in some cases when they disagree with you).
 
2013-09-18 10:59:46 AM  
Here's some persecution.  Can we please change our National Motto back to E Pluribus Unum?  I was actually shocked to find out that it's actually "In god we trust."
 
2013-09-18 11:08:14 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Oh look, another article from the esteemed mind that brought us '5 reasons cats are inferior to dogs', '7 types of chicks who annoy everyone by their very existence', '5 reasons Barack Obama is a creep', and, 'Is American life really slanted in favor of women more than men?' (And yes, he argues exactly what you'd expect him to in that last one).


He also authored "Why Hot Chicks Should Totally Date Fat Losers With Thigh Acne".
 
2013-09-18 11:12:37 AM  

webron: iq_in_binary: I'm sorry, are we throwing you farkers to lions for entertainment again? When did I miss that?

Oh we're not? Shut the fark up.

Oddly enough, there is no evidence that the whole feeding christians to the lions thing ever happened.  Christianity has been lying about being oppressed from the start.  The romans could not care less about what gods people worshipped.  Thank god there is nothing in the bible that forbids lying.  As far as i can tell from dealing with christians is that the whole bible is about how much god hates gay people.  They must use a different bible than the one i read growing up.


From what I've read the Romans banned two religions: Christians and Druids. Christians because they kept telling everyone else that they were worshiping demons, and Druids because they were into human sacrifice.
 
2013-09-18 11:15:55 AM  
#4 is completely insane. If some a-hole refuses to make a cake for you because he/she is in fact a a-hole, take your money elsewhere.

#7 is about the only one that could be really used in a way the author is looking to.

The rest, meh.
 
2013-09-18 11:21:55 AM  

sarajlewis83: FourDirections: Meh, this is rhetoric from a right-wing website trying to push wedges deeper to make religion more of a political issue in hopes of deepening their base. Not that "right-wing news" wasn't a clue.

Dear Right Wing News: I consider myself a Christian. I'll let others take from their religions (Christian or otherwise) what they will, but here's what it means to me: Be good. Be honest. Be kind. Help those in need. Do the right thing when it's difficult. Do what needs to be done because it's the right thing, not because it's the easy thing. Do not judge others, but strive constantly to follow the example that Christ showed: kindness and mercy, charity and humility.

As far as you trying to turn the most private and sensitive part of my life into a political wedge, I can tell you this: no thank you. My religion and my politics will always be separate, and your attempt to make me feel somehow persecuted by it feels hollow and disingenuous. You don't speak for me. So with all due respect, kindly shove it up your ass.

Well said. I, too, am a Christian, yet I somehow don't feel the urge to shove that fact down everyone's throat or force those around me to conform to my own personal beliefs. The marriage of politics and religion corrupts both. How this proven statement hasn't been made apparent to all our brothers and sisters in Christ, I will never understand.


Exactly.  You can actually do all of the above even as *GASP* an atheist.  I'm a lot more concerned about how I live my life than about what deity I follow.
 
2013-09-18 11:22:29 AM  

ole prophet: #4 is completely insane. If some a-hole refuses to make a cake for you because he/she is in fact a a-hole, take your money elsewhere.


If someone refuses to make a cake for you because of your skin color, that's a civil rights violation and can be treated as such.
 
2013-09-18 11:28:23 AM  

tryptik: This may be the stupidest thing I have ever read.


If some people could be made to understand why they feel stepping on a piece of paper with the word "Jesus" written on it is outrageous, perhaps they could begin to understand why some others my be insulted by things like burning the Quran.
 
2013-09-18 11:31:41 AM  

ole prophet: #4 is completely insane. If some a-hole refuses to make a cake for you because he/she is in fact a a-hole, take your money elsewhere.


Illegal to discriminate against people based on the sexual orientation. What you are proposing would allow a business to not cater to people based on other factors like race, religion, disability etc...
 
2013-09-18 11:32:52 AM  

Irving Maimway: I read that and feel stupider for having done so.


I red that and stoop.. I did hurr.. ugh.. where can I buy a lottery ticket?
 
2013-09-18 11:34:58 AM  

balthan: tryptik: This may be the stupidest thing I have ever read.

If some people could be made to understand why they feel stepping on a piece of paper with the word "Jesus" written on it is outrageous, perhaps they could begin to understand why some others my be insulted by things like burning the Quran.


If they have enough empathy to put them in a Muslim's place.
If
 
2013-09-18 11:35:11 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: John Hawkins is fat, stupid, and a waste of oxygen.


Wombat where I come from (Waste Of Money, Business And Time)
 
2013-09-18 11:38:34 AM  
Isn't it about time we modernized the first amendment?  It seems sort of silly that, right out of the gate, one of the first things we decided to protect was... bronze-age superstitions and invisible friends.
 
2013-09-18 11:39:26 AM  

Mrfusticle: HMS_Blinkin: John Hawkins is fat, stupid, and a waste of oxygen.

Wombat where I come from (Waste Of Money, Business And Time)


That's lovely.  Mind if I borrow it?
 
2013-09-18 11:43:43 AM  

INeedAName: As a Christian, I would just like to say that most of us are decent human beings. Sadly we also have our complete nutjob wack-a-dos who happen to shout far louder than the rest of us.

/Might've done a fist pump when Falwell died.


No most of you are not decent human beings. Most of you think you are, but you are wrong. It is not a minority that a nutjob wack-a-dos, but the majority.
 
2013-09-18 11:48:18 AM  

ginandbacon: doyner: For those of you who don't want to click on the link, here it is in all its glory:

"Herpy-derpy-doo."

You're welcome.

Thank you. Very succinct.


And accurate.
 
2013-09-18 11:48:57 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: d23: factoryconnection: urbangirl: Local elected officials are responding by doubling down on city council meeting prayers and their attorneys are backing them up.

Everyone likes a theocracy when it is their particular brand in charge.

When "Christian" becomes the official religion then the Baptists will start with the crap that the Catholics aren't real Christians.  It doesn't end.  If you're against genocide then separation of church and state is the only sane policy.

well... Catholics aren't Christian. They are Idolaters


Are you retarded?  Just asking.
 
2013-09-18 11:49:28 AM  

FourDirections: Dear Right Wing News: I consider myself a Christian. I'll let others take from their religions (Christian or otherwise) what they will, but here's what it means to me: Be good. Be honest. Be kind. Help those in need. Do the right thing when it's difficult. Do what needs to be done because it's the right thing, not because it's the easy thing. Do not judge others, but strive constantly to follow the example that Christ showed: kindness and mercy, charity and humility.

As far as you trying to turn the most private and sensitive part of my life into a political wedge, I can tell you this: no thank you. My religion and my politics will always be separate, and your attempt to make me feel somehow persecuted


*gassho*
 
2013-09-18 11:50:52 AM  

Mikey1969: 1. Yeah, that seems pretty bad. Can we get some more details by any chance? Was this just some misinformed moron, or was this actual policy?


What I was able to find:

http://mediamatters.org/mobile/blog/2013/09/11/foxs-starnes-fearmonge r s-about-christian-groups/195830

Almost everything on Google was from a "patriot" blog or evangelical Christian sites. That, in itself, is telling. The original Fox story quotes a USDA agent saying, "under current law, organizations that receive USDA nutrition assistance can still engage in religious activities so long as the activity is not used to create a barrier to eligible individuals receiving food."

It sounds as if the church might have been handing out paid-for-with-tax-dollars cheese if people agreed to listen to some preaching. That is a no-no.
 
2013-09-18 11:51:26 AM  

tryptik: balthan: Actually, no. Here are the instructions from the lesson the professor was using:

"Have the students write the name JESUS in big letters on a piece of paper," the lesson reads. "Ask the students to stand up and put the paper on the floor in front of them with the name facing up. Ask the students to think about it for a moment. After a brief period of silence instruct them to step on the paper. Most will hesitate. Ask why they can't step on the paper. Discuss the importance of symbols in culture."

This may be the stupidest thing I have ever read.


You probably should expand on that statement.  I'm having trouble understanding why an activity intended to create an emotional response related to a symbol is a stupid way to start a group discussion on the impact of symbols.  It wouldn't work nearly so well outside the US (from out here, the US fangasms over their versions of Jesus are a bit scary).  It's not substantially dissimilar from the story a few weeks back about a teacher that did the same thing with a flag.

Cheers.
 
2013-09-18 11:54:26 AM  

tryptik: balthan: Actually, no. Here are the instructions from the lesson the professor was using:

"Have the students write the name JESUS in big letters on a piece of paper," the lesson reads. "Ask the students to stand up and put the paper on the floor in front of them with the name facing up. Ask the students to think about it for a moment. After a brief period of silence instruct them to step on the paper. Most will hesitate. Ask why they can't step on the paper. Discuss the importance of symbols in culture."

This may be the stupidest thing I have ever read.


I know. Jesus is a landscaping genius around my work complex.
 
2013-09-18 11:54:40 AM  
Hawkins is a hack, even when it comes to pseudo-Christian whining about persecution in the US.

Here's how you do it son:

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2013-09-18 11:55:02 AM  

webron: iq_in_binary: I'm sorry, are we throwing you farkers to lions for entertainment again? When did I miss that?

Oh we're not? Shut the fark up.

Oddly enough, there is no evidence that the whole feeding christians to the lions thing ever happened.  Christianity has been lying about being oppressed from the start.  The romans could not care less about what gods people worshipped.  Thank god there is nothing in the bible that forbids lying.  As far as i can tell from dealing with christians is that the whole bible is about how much god hates gay people.  They must use a different bible than the one i read growing up.


The Bible condems bearing false witness not lying. A bunch of lying liars have turned it into not lying so that their kids don't lie or something.
Bearing False witness seems to be a common thread when comparing the claims this author makes and the truth.
 
2013-09-18 11:55:30 AM  

tryptik: balthan: Actually, no. Here are the instructions from the lesson the professor was using:

"Have the students write the name JESUS in big letters on a piece of paper," the lesson reads. "Ask the students to stand up and put the paper on the floor in front of them with the name facing up. Ask the students to think about it for a moment. After a brief period of silence instruct them to step on the paper. Most will hesitate. Ask why they can't step on the paper. Discuss the importance of symbols in culture."

This may be the stupidest thing I have ever read.


Well, if that was the lesson, then I rescind my comment about the professor being a douche. It was a springboard into discussion that the student lost the perspective upon.
 
2013-09-18 11:57:41 AM  

randomjsa: 1. That's not discrimination. That's somebody finally getting around to enforcing the establishment clause.
2. The IRS scandal, in all its forms, was legitimate government discrimination, but it wasn't against Christians.
3. That's not discrimination. Being an annoying bastard to a captive audience was thought to be a crime, it turns out that it wasn't. This is how the law works.
4. That is discrimination... and the Christians were the ones doing the discriminating, but as it was a private business they should have that right. Don't shop there if you don't like it.
5. The good old 'simple disagreement' defense. If your religion said it was okay to discriminate against people based on race, gender, or religious practices (all of which it does by the way) would it be okay for you as a military officer to advocate it because your religion says so?
6. If you want special and exclusive permission to use a public park for something, then get a permit, otherwise if I show up and start running a jet ski up and down the place which disrupts your baptism, you don't get to complain about it.
7. Oh my they actually got 1 out of 7 right! They really did find actual honest to goodness discrimination against Christians that was legitimately wrong. I will give them this one. They are actually correct.


So Vote Democrat?
 
2013-09-18 12:02:47 PM  

DeaH: Mikey1969: 1. Yeah, that seems pretty bad. Can we get some more details by any chance? Was this just some misinformed moron, or was this actual policy?

What I was able to find:

http://mediamatters.org/mobile/blog/2013/09/11/foxs-starnes-fearmonge r s-about-christian-groups/195830

Almost everything on Google was from a "patriot" blog or evangelical Christian sites. That, in itself, is telling. The original Fox story quotes a USDA agent saying, "under current law, organizations that receive USDA nutrition assistance can still engage in religious activities so long as the activity is not used to create a barrier to eligible individuals receiving food."

It sounds as if the church might have been handing out paid-for-with-tax-dollars cheese if people agreed to listen to some preaching. That is a no-no.


Interesting... Thanks for the info. Not discrimination at all if this is what was happening.
 
2013-09-18 12:04:20 PM  

strathcona: Are you retarded? Just asking.


Well by the very definition I don't think that he'd know.
 
2013-09-18 12:05:34 PM  

strathcona: HindiDiscoMonster: d23: factoryconnection: urbangirl: Local elected officials are responding by doubling down on city council meeting prayers and their attorneys are backing them up.

Everyone likes a theocracy when it is their particular brand in charge.

When "Christian" becomes the official religion then the Baptists will start with the crap that the Catholics aren't real Christians.  It doesn't end.  If you're against genocide then separation of church and state is the only sane policy.

well... Catholics aren't Christian. They are Idolaters

Are you retarded?  Just asking.


You've never heard this point of view from an Evangelical Christian? I used to hear it all the time, when my family was identifiably Catholic and I went to school with born-agains.
 
2013-09-18 12:10:00 PM  
Hey, give Christians a break. They've got the Devil, all the demons in hell, the anti-Christ, eternal judgement, all kinds of things to worry about without people piling on with requests for gay cake.
 
2013-09-18 12:12:22 PM  
I have a few solutions to their "we shouldn't have to get a permit to perform baptisms in public waters" problem.

They can use certain public waters without a permit.

For instance, they are absolutely free to use the waters of Yosemite Creek anywhere in the area extending 100 yards north from the lip of Upper Yosemite Falls without a permit during the months of March-July each year.

They may also freely use any of the waters in and around the Anhinga Trail area of Everglades National Park without a permit at any time.

Similarly, they may conduct baptisms without a permit in any of the waters in the Upper, Lower, West Thumb, Norris, Midway or Monument Geyser Basins in Yellowstone National Park at any time.

The waters above and below Brooks Falls in Katmai National Park may also be used without a permit during the summer salmon spawning runs.

There - Problem solved!
 
2013-09-18 12:14:35 PM  

spongeboob: webron: iq_in_binary: I'm sorry, are we throwing you farkers to lions for entertainment again? When did I miss that?

Oh we're not? Shut the fark up.

Oddly enough, there is no evidence that the whole feeding christians to the lions thing ever happened.  Christianity has been lying about being oppressed from the start.  The romans could not care less about what gods people worshipped.  Thank god there is nothing in the bible that forbids lying.  As far as i can tell from dealing with christians is that the whole bible is about how much god hates gay people.  They must use a different bible than the one i read growing up.

The Bible condems bearing false witness not lying. A bunch of lying liars have turned it into not lying so that their kids don't lie or something.
Bearing False witness seems to be a common thread when comparing the claims this author makes and the truth.


Time to dust off the old list of things that Leviticus forbids in addition to the homoerotica...

1.       Burning any yeast or honey in offerings to God (2:11)
Not a huge problem nowadays.

2.       Failing to include salt in offerings to God (2:13)
Again, not a huge deal to most Christian churches.

3.       Eating fat (3:17)
Southern cuisine is in trouble

4.       Eating blood (3:17)
German cuisine is in trouble.

5.       Failing to testify against any wrongdoing you've witnessed (5:1)
Congress is in trouble.

6.       Failing to testify against any wrongdoing you've been told about (5:1)
Congress is REALLY in trouble

7.       Touching an unclean animal (5:2)
Hope you don't like pork...

8.       Carelessly making an oath (5:4)
Again, Congress is REALLY in trouble

9.       Deceiving a neighbour about something trusted to them (6:2)
HOAs are against God...

10.   Finding lost property and lying about it (6:3)
Much of America is DOOMED...

11.   Bringing unauthorized fire before God (10:1)
The candle trade for saints is apparently DOOOOOOM!

12.   Letting your hair become unkempt (10:6)
Hipsters, teens, and much of Hollywood is DOOOOOMED!

13.   Tearing your clothes (10:6)
Wrasslin' is the work of the Debbil

14.   Drinking alcohol in holy places (10:9)
Catholics, we're looking right at you....

15.   Eating an animal which doesn't both chew cud and has a divided hoof (cf: camel, rabbit, pig) (11:4-7)
Rib joints are the work of the Debbil...

16.   Touching the carcass of any of the above (11:8)
Hope you aren't a fan of football...

17.   Eating - or touching the carcass of - any seafood without fins or scales (11:10-12)
Red Lobster is the work of the Debbil...

18.   Eating - or touching the carcass of - eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, the red kite, any kind of black kite, any kind of raven, the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat. (11:13-19)
In fairness, this means that Newage folks are DOOOOOMED!

19.   Eating - or touching the carcass of - flying insects with four legs, unless those legs are jointed (11:20-22)
Cicadas may be out.

20.   Eating any animal which walks on all four and has paws (11:27)
Roof rabbit may have doomed the entire Greatest Generation...

21.   Eating - or touching the carcass of - the weasel, the rat, any kind of great lizard, the gecko, the monitor lizard, the wall lizard, the skink and the chameleon (11:29)
Hope you haven't had gator bites...

22.   Eating - or touching the carcass of - any creature which crawls on many legs, or its belly (11:41-42)
Rattlesnake BBQ is RIGHT out...

23.   Going to church within 33 days after giving birth to a boy (12:4)
Hope you aren't having that Christening too early, you naughty folks...

24.   Going to church within 66 days after giving birth to a girl (12:5)
See the above, but double time for the girlchil'run...

25.   Having sex with your mother (18:7)
Which is not a bad rule to have, but let's face it, this rule pretty much takes out a good section of 90s day time TV

26.   Having sex with your father's wife (18:8)
Not a bad rule either, but see the above section on reality TV...

27.   Having sex with your sister (18:9)
This one is going to have Kentucky and good sections of the South, and Maine in trouble...

28.   Having sex with your granddaughter (18:10)
Not a bad rule at all, and...ewww...

29.  Having sex with your half-sister (18:11)
See the earlier section on day time TV...

30.   Having sex with your biological aunt (18:12-13)
Again, see the section on day time TV...

31.   Having sex with your uncle's wife (18:14)
Man, Maury would be screwed if we damn everyone for this...

32.   Having sex with your daughter-in-law (18:15)
Maury may have sent a brazillion folks to Hell for this...

33.   Having sex with your sister-in-law (18:16)
Congress may be in trouble here too...

34.   Having sex with a woman and also having sex with her daughter or granddaughter (18:17)
Alan Clarke and Maury are soooo screwed on this.

35.   Marrying your wife's sister while your wife still lives (18:18)
Man, day time TV is just rife with sinfulness. Should we let children watch this smut?

36.   Having sex with a woman during her period (18:19)
Redwings. Apparently, always a bad idea...

37.   Having sex with your neighbour's wife (18:20)
Congress, and a fair amount of middle America is sooooo boned...

38.   Giving your children to be sacrificed to Molek (18:21)
In fairness, I'm all for religious freedom, but this seems like a good, commonsense rule.

39.   Having sex with a man "as one does with a woman" (18:22)
There it is. THIS apparently is THE important one.

40.   Having sex with an animal (18:23)
The Scots apparently have generations of sending kindling to Hell...

41.   Making idols or "metal gods" (19:4)
Catholics, you may be in some trouble here...

42.   Reaping to the very edges of a field (19:9)
Yup. We're supposed to leave stuff for the poor and destitute to glean from the fields...

43.   Picking up grapes that have fallen in your vineyard (19:10)
Factory farming is the work of the Debbil...

44.   Stealing (19:11)
Congress and much of the legal system is so screwed...

45.   Lying (19:11)
Is there anything Congress CAN do then?

46.   Swearing falsely on God's name (19:12)
Pat Robertson and Congress apparently makes Jehovah wroth...

47.   Defrauding your neighbor (19:13)
Real estate and much of America is boned. You'll note how wroth folks are about this one, while being ghey is just the work of the Debbil...

48.   Holding back the wages of an employee overnight (19:13)
Paychecks are the work of the Debbil...

49.   Cursing the deaf or abusing the blind (19:14)
God is hard on douchebags...

50.   Perverting justice, showing partiality to either the poor or the rich (19:15)
Congress in both houses are boned...

51.   Spreading slander (19:16)
As are the tabloids...

52.   Doing anything to endanger a neighbour's life (19:16)
Most of America and the "here, hold my beer" crowd is screwed...

53.   Seeking revenge or bearing a grudge (19:18)
Congress...you are sooooooooo going ALL of you to Hell...

54.   Mixing fabrics in clothing (19:19)
Walmart, Sears, and Target. Agents of Satan...

55.   Cross-breeding animals (19:19)
God IS against GMO husbandry...

56.   Planting different seeds in the same field (19:19)
Put down the basil and the tomatoes. I don't care if they DO complement one another's growth, it's BAD!

57.   Sleeping with another man's slave (19:20)
Seriously. Bad form folks. Bad form.

58.   Eating fruit from a tree within four years of planting it (19:23)
The apple industry is the work of the Debbil...

59.   Practicing divination or seeking omens (tut, tut astrology) (19:26)
Miss Cleo is the work of the Debbil, and here we have this sin IN OUR PAPERS!

60.   Trimming your beard (19:27)
Look at all the dirty bastiches who do this. LOOK AT THEM!

61.   Cutting your hair at the sides (19:27)
The Marines are the work of the Debbil...

62.   Getting tattoos (19:28)
Tramp stamps and memorial tattoos are the work of the Debbil...

63.   Making your daughter prostitute herself (19:29)
Daytime TV is SUCH a sinful place...

64.   Turning to mediums or spiritualists (19:31)
Miss Cleo. Leading a nation into sin and depravity...

65.   Not standing in the presence of the elderly (19:32)
Welp, this one seems right out today...

66.   Mistreating foreigners - "the foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born"  (19:33-34)
Guess that means we can stop those Oathkeepers and Sheriff Joe from being mean to the immigrants then, right? Border fences are the Debbil's chopsticks I guess...

67.   Using dishonest weights and scales (19:35-36)
My industry is boned as a whole, as is pretty much most of the oil industry as well...

68.   Cursing your father or mother (punishable by death) (20:9)
Maury and the rest could have made a few bucks by televising the stonings though...

69.   Marrying a prostitute, divorcee or widow if you are a priest (21:7,13)
Odd, that you don't see more folks incensed by this...

70.   Entering a place where there's a dead body as a priest (21:11)
Which pretty much means that all our chaplains are boned.

71.   Slaughtering a cow/sheep and its young on the same day (22:28)
And in fairness, it's rude too. Eating mama and her babies is just greedy...

72.   Working on the Sabbath (23:3)
Sadly, this means no liquor stores open on Saturday or Sunday...

73.   Blasphemy (punishable by stoning to death) (24:14)
Man, we are going to need a LOT of stones. Just in the State legislatures, and let's not even get onto Congress...

74.   Inflicting an injury; killing someone else's animal; killing a person must be punished in kind (24:17-22)
This WOULD end cockfighting and dogfighting quick though...

75.   Selling land permanently (25:23)
Odd, you don't see more protests and signs around real estate agencies...

76.   Selling an Israelite as a slave (foreigners are fine) (25:42)
So, I guess we should be OK with slaves again?
 
2013-09-18 12:14:59 PM  
It's articles like this that make me want to be that asshole atheist, you know, the one that's supposedly as bad as fundamentalist religious folk.
 
2013-09-18 12:15:28 PM  

BMulligan: strathcona: HindiDiscoMonster: d23: factoryconnection: urbangirl: Local elected officials are responding by doubling down on city council meeting prayers and their attorneys are backing them up.

Everyone likes a theocracy when it is their particular brand in charge.

When "Christian" becomes the official religion then the Baptists will start with the crap that the Catholics aren't real Christians.  It doesn't end.  If you're against genocide then separation of church and state is the only sane policy.

well... Catholics aren't Christian. They are Idolaters

Are you retarded?  Just asking.

You've never heard this point of view from an Evangelical Christian? I used to hear it all the time, when my family was identifiably Catholic and I went to school with born-agains.


IIRC from my childhood as an Evangelical, the implication is that Catholics worship Mary and the other saints almost on the same level as God and Jesus, including pilgrimages to holy sites associated with them, and therefore are breaking the 2nd commandment at least, and possibly the 1st.
 
2013-09-18 12:18:34 PM  

spongeboob: 4. If the potential year in jail is true that is horrible, got a non-wing nut source on that?


i have never heard of the cake jail story, but it sounds like key facts are being ignored.  not making someone a cake is necessarily a civil, not criminal, dispute.  If someone says, hey do this, and you say no, there is absolutely nothing to dispute, no one has a duty to enter a contract against their will, generally.

so, my theory is that he agreed to make the cake, took the money, found out it was for a gay wedding, and then refused to make the cake.  the couple sued for performance (to make the cake) or breach of contract or return of the money.  and then the court ordered the guy to return the money or make the cake.  when he refused, he was in contempt of court.

contempt of court is the pretty much the only way a civil case can result in jail time.
 
2013-09-18 12:19:41 PM  
BunkoSquad:

Herpa, derpa, derpity doo
I've got another scandal for you
Herpa, derpa, derpity dee
If you are stupid you'll listen to me

What do you get when you keep libs around?
They'll push your religion into the ground
American Christians don't have a chance
Libs are making us...as bad...as...France
(But we'll never surrender)

Herpa, derpa, derpity dar
If you're an atheist Muslim you will go far
You won't be killed for expressing a view
Like the herpa derpity derpity do!


[applause.gif]

+1 would read again
 
2013-09-18 12:21:16 PM  

Rapmaster2000: 20.  We never get any good bands.  We have to listen to Christian rap and then we have to tell people "did you ever listen to DC Talk?  They're really positive."  That's so lame.

21.  All of our celebrities turn out to be whores.  Whether it's Britney, Miley, Beyonce... all of them.  It's all Jesus this and Jesus that and then they turn 19 and they're performing anallingus on national TV with a bear.  It's embarassing.

22.  Have you ever had the misfortune of listening to Christian comedians?  Anything with the word Christian on the front is bound to be bad.  Christian Comedy is like Diet Coke or Sugar-Free Jello.  They tell you it sucks right on the label.


There used to be a punk rock band in Carbondale Illinois called Diet Christ. I believe atleast one member is a farker.
 
2013-09-18 12:22:02 PM  

wxboy: BMulligan: strathcona: HindiDiscoMonster: d23: factoryconnection: urbangirl: Local elected officials are responding by doubling down on city council meeting prayers and their attorneys are backing them up.

Everyone likes a theocracy when it is their particular brand in charge.

When "Christian" becomes the official religion then the Baptists will start with the crap that the Catholics aren't real Christians.  It doesn't end.  If you're against genocide then separation of church and state is the only sane policy.

well... Catholics aren't Christian. They are Idolaters

Are you retarded?  Just asking.

You've never heard this point of view from an Evangelical Christian? I used to hear it all the time, when my family was identifiably Catholic and I went to school with born-agains.

IIRC from my childhood as an Evangelical, the implication is that Catholics worship Mary and the other saints almost on the same level as God and Jesus, including pilgrimages to holy sites associated with them, and therefore are breaking the 2nd commandment at least, and possibly the 1st.


The thing is: we HAD official state religions. Each state had an official state religion when we got the Articles of Confederation. It led to a lot of folks getting burned out of their homes, run out of the state, and it wasn't just Baptists who joined the fun either. We tried it once, and it led to such "good times" that we scrapped the idea, and got a secular government to avoid such things. It's not that the Founders were against religion entirely, but they saw, first hand, what state supported faiths could do to a very American population: turn neighbor against neighbor and covet their stuff and use faith as a bludgeon...
 
2013-09-18 12:26:03 PM  
A swimming pool of Preperation H could not calm this guys butthurt.

Why is it that the people most violently scared of Sharia law are the ones attempting to create a Christian version of it here?  Then when they don't get their way it's persecution and war on them.  The same people who claim they have a constitutional right to practice their religion, but when someone else asserts theirs or the lack thereof it's violating their constitutional rights.  Don't get me wrong, not all Christians are bad, you guys just have a lot of very vocal members who think the C in Christianity stands for Cognitive Dissonance.
 
2013-09-18 12:29:41 PM  

sprawl15: ole prophet: #4 is completely insane. If some a-hole refuses to make a cake for you because he/she is in fact a a-hole, take your money elsewhere.

If someone refuses to make a cake for you because of your skin color, that's a civil rights violation and can be treated as such.


No it isn't. And it shouldn't be. You posted to public forums, you talk to the media, you mock and ridicule, and take your money elsewhere. A business has the right to refuse service for any reason they see fit.
 
2013-09-18 12:30:55 PM  

hubiestubert: 16. Touching the carcass of any of the above (11:8)
Hope you aren't a fan of football...


Modern American footballs, despite being called 'pigskins', are actually made of steer hides.
 
2013-09-18 12:37:16 PM  

ole prophet: sprawl15: ole prophet: #4 is completely insane. If some a-hole refuses to make a cake for you because he/she is in fact a a-hole, take your money elsewhere.

If someone refuses to make a cake for you because of your skin color, that's a civil rights violation and can be treated as such.

No it isn't. And it shouldn't be. You posted to public forums, you talk to the media, you mock and ridicule, and take your money elsewhere. A business has the right to refuse service for any reason they see fit.


So you're OK with "No Coloreds" signs?

Cheers.
 
2013-09-18 12:37:57 PM  

doyner: For those of you who don't want to click on the link, here it is in all its glory:

"Herpy-derpy-doo."

You're welcome.


Wow, these Right-Wing screes are usually text walls, but that is very well put!
 
2013-09-18 12:41:24 PM  

Karac: hubiestubert: 16. Touching the carcass of any of the above (11:8)
Hope you aren't a fan of football...

Modern American footballs, despite being called 'pigskins', are actually made of steer hides.


They're also not really "foot" balls

www.augmentedplanet.com
 
2013-09-18 12:41:50 PM  

wxboy: BMulligan: strathcona: HindiDiscoMonster: d23: factoryconnection: urbangirl: Local elected officials are responding by doubling down on city council meeting prayers and their attorneys are backing them up.

Everyone likes a theocracy when it is their particular brand in charge.

When "Christian" becomes the official religion then the Baptists will start with the crap that the Catholics aren't real Christians.  It doesn't end.  If you're against genocide then separation of church and state is the only sane policy.

well... Catholics aren't Christian. They are Idolaters

Are you retarded?  Just asking.

You've never heard this point of view from an Evangelical Christian? I used to hear it all the time, when my family was identifiably Catholic and I went to school with born-agains.

IIRC from my childhood as an Evangelical, the implication is that Catholics worship Mary and the other saints almost on the same level as God and Jesus, including pilgrimages to holy sites associated with them, and therefore are breaking the 2nd commandment at least, and possibly the 1st.


I still go to a Baptist church.  Every so often, I'll see a preacher go off on a rant about other denominations which are not actually 'Christian'.  The following are the reasons usually given (I take no personal responsibility for any inaccuracies, I am merely repeating what I've heard):

Catholics: saying a Hail Mary proves they are worshiping Mary instead of God.  Also, using religious icons of the saints counts as idolatry.
Jehovah's Witnesses: they believe Jesus made the Earth instead of God, in direct contravention to the very first sentence in the Bible
Mormoms: they deny the divinity of Christ and believe that all Christians can evolve into being their own 'god'.
Methodists: they use something other than Welch's grape juice as the Blood of Christ when enacting the Lord's Supper.  Plus occasional disagreements over whether dancing is a sin.

And if you don't think that these distinctions mean anything - don't forget that JFK had to all but swear that the Pope wouldn't be giving him orders before he was elected to the Presidency.
 
2013-09-18 12:44:58 PM  

Brian_of_Nazareth: ole prophet: sprawl15: ole prophet: #4 is completely insane. If some a-hole refuses to make a cake for you because he/she is in fact a a-hole, take your money elsewhere.

If someone refuses to make a cake for you because of your skin color, that's a civil rights violation and can be treated as such.

No it isn't. And it shouldn't be. You posted to public forums, you talk to the media, you mock and ridicule, and take your money elsewhere. A business has the right to refuse service for any reason they see fit.

So you're OK with "No Coloreds" signs?

Cheers.


I wouldn't patronize a business with such a sign, but I'm pretty sure enough  other people wouldn't patronize it, as well, that the problem would rapidly correct itself.  We don't need the law to handle every farking thing someone isn't "okay" with.
 
2013-09-18 12:47:46 PM  

urbangirl: Here in Kentucky, there's currently a rather large kerfuffle because the state School Board send letters to the locals telling them they can't allow Gideons to hand out Bibles to second graders IN SCHOOL DURING SCHOOL HOURS.  Evidently this has been going on for years and someone finally complained to the ACLU.

Local elected officials are responding by doubling down on city council meeting prayers and their attorneys are backing them up.


What/who are Gideons?  I'm well aware that they deposit bibles at all the hotels (I assume this is some kind of building code thing, or something), but I can't say that I've ever met someone who has labelled themself a Gideon.

Has anyone ever met a "Gideon"?  Are they mysterious cloaked figures who stay just out of eyesight and memory?
 
2013-09-18 12:48:04 PM  
FTA - The majority of Americans are Christians, but we're not treated with respect by the culture, the schools, or by our politicians.


"for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." - Galatians 6:7
 
2013-09-18 12:49:21 PM  
will someone please tell these people God isn't read?
 
2013-09-18 12:49:47 PM  

UncomfortableSilence: Why is it that the people most violently scared of Sharia law are the ones attempting to create a Christian version of it here?


Because if we can make it a crime to belong to a particular ethnic group, which Islam is as far as flyover America is concerned, then we are that little bit closer to eventually, someday bringing back Jim Crow in all his inbred glory.
 
2013-09-18 12:49:56 PM  

pacified: will someone please tell these people God isn't read real?


I'll show myself out...
 
2013-09-18 12:50:08 PM  

ole prophet: sprawl15: ole prophet: #4 is completely insane. If some a-hole refuses to make a cake for you because he/she is in fact a a-hole, take your money elsewhere.

If someone refuses to make a cake for you because of your skin color, that's a civil rights violation and can be treated as such.

No it isn't. And it shouldn't be. You posted to public forums, you talk to the media, you mock and ridicule, and take your money elsewhere. A business has the right to refuse service for any reason they see fit.


I refer you to Title II of the Civil Rights Act. Public accommodations fall under Federal civil rights protections.
 
2013-09-18 12:51:44 PM  

China White Tea: Brian_of_Nazareth: ole prophet: sprawl15: ole prophet: #4 is completely insane. If some a-hole refuses to make a cake for you because he/she is in fact a a-hole, take your money elsewhere.

If someone refuses to make a cake for you because of your skin color, that's a civil rights violation and can be treated as such.

No it isn't. And it shouldn't be. You posted to public forums, you talk to the media, you mock and ridicule, and take your money elsewhere. A business has the right to refuse service for any reason they see fit.

So you're OK with "No Coloreds" signs?

Cheers.

I wouldn't patronize a business with such a sign, but I'm pretty sure enough  other people wouldn't patronize it, as well, that the problem would rapidly correct itself.  We don't need the law to handle every farking thing someone isn't "okay" with.


It took something like 100 years AND a law to eliminate that.  You think things would be different now?
 
2013-09-18 12:52:27 PM  
Still better than the list of 27,402 examples of discrimination by Christians.
 
2013-09-18 12:52:46 PM  

China White Tea: Brian_of_Nazareth: ole prophet: sprawl15: ole prophet: #4 is completely insane. If some a-hole refuses to make a cake for you because he/she is in fact a a-hole, take your money elsewhere.

If someone refuses to make a cake for you because of your skin color, that's a civil rights violation and can be treated as such.

No it isn't. And it shouldn't be. You posted to public forums, you talk to the media, you mock and ridicule, and take your money elsewhere. A business has the right to refuse service for any reason they see fit.

So you're OK with "No Coloreds" signs?

Cheers.

I wouldn't patronize a business with such a sign, but I'm pretty sure enough  other people wouldn't patronize it, as well, that the problem would rapidly correct itself.  We don't need the law to handle every farking thing someone isn't "okay" with.


Except, of course, that it didn't.

If you open a business taking advantage of the infrastructure provided by our government, the contract enforcement and legal protections provided by our government, and the fire and police protection provided by our government, then you don't get to use that business to treat anyone who helps pay for that government and those services like a second-class citizen.
 
2013-09-18 12:53:11 PM  

Nuclear Monk: urbangirl: Here in Kentucky, there's currently a rather large kerfuffle because the state School Board send letters to the locals telling them they can't allow Gideons to hand out Bibles to second graders IN SCHOOL DURING SCHOOL HOURS.  Evidently this has been going on for years and someone finally complained to the ACLU.

Local elected officials are responding by doubling down on city council meeting prayers and their attorneys are backing them up.

What/who are Gideons?  I'm well aware that they deposit bibles at all the hotels (I assume this is some kind of building code thing, or something), but I can't say that I've ever met someone who has labelled themself a Gideon.

Has anyone ever met a "Gideon"?  Are they mysterious cloaked figures who stay just out of eyesight and memory?


My girlfriend saw one give a lecture, I think at the Baptist church her grandmother went to. Her recollection was that there are no female Gideons, and that the guy was a dick.
 
2013-09-18 12:54:02 PM  

ole prophet: sprawl15: ole prophet: #4 is completely insane. If some a-hole refuses to make a cake for you because he/she is in fact a a-hole, take your money elsewhere.

If someone refuses to make a cake for you because of your skin color, that's a civil rights violation and can be treated as such.

No it isn't. And it shouldn't be. You posted to public forums, you talk to the media, you mock and ridicule, and take your money elsewhere. A business has the right to refuse service for any reason they see fit.


The law disagrees with you.
 
2013-09-18 12:54:04 PM  

Brian_of_Nazareth: ole prophet: sprawl15: ole prophet: #4 is completely insane. If some a-hole refuses to make a cake for you because he/she is in fact a a-hole, take your money elsewhere.

If someone refuses to make a cake for you because of your skin color, that's a civil rights violation and can be treated as such.

No it isn't. And it shouldn't be. You posted to public forums, you talk to the media, you mock and ridicule, and take your money elsewhere. A business has the right to refuse service for any reason they see fit.

So you're OK with "No Coloreds" signs?

Cheers.


They didn't have a sign that said that. They refused service for a stupid reason, but it is their call to refuse service. They didn't take money then not deliver; they didn't charge more just because they were homosexual. Those are would be true legal matters. Being stupid and turning down business is not.
 
2013-09-18 12:54:18 PM  

Karac: wxboy: BMulligan: strathcona: HindiDiscoMonster: d23: factoryconnection: urbangirl: Local elected officials are responding by doubling down on city council meeting prayers and their attorneys are backing them up.

Everyone likes a theocracy when it is their particular brand in charge.

When "Christian" becomes the official religion then the Baptists will start with the crap that the Catholics aren't real Christians.  It doesn't end.  If you're against genocide then separation of church and state is the only sane policy.

well... Catholics aren't Christian. They are Idolaters

Are you retarded?  Just asking.

You've never heard this point of view from an Evangelical Christian? I used to hear it all the time, when my family was identifiably Catholic and I went to school with born-agains.

IIRC from my childhood as an Evangelical, the implication is that Catholics worship Mary and the other saints almost on the same level as God and Jesus, including pilgrimages to holy sites associated with them, and therefore are breaking the 2nd commandment at least, and possibly the 1st.

I still go to a Baptist church.  Every so often, I'll see a preacher go off on a rant about other denominations which are not actually 'Christian'.  The following are the reasons usually given (I take no personal responsibility for any inaccuracies, I am merely repeating what I've heard):

Catholics: saying a Hail Mary proves they are worshiping Mary instead of God.  Also, using religious icons of the saints counts as idolatry.
Jehovah's Witnesses: they believe Jesus made the Earth instead of God, in direct contravention to the very first sentence in the Bible
Mormoms: they deny the divinity of Christ and believe that all Christians can evolve into being their own 'god'.
Methodists: they use something other than Welch's grape juice as the Blood of Christ when enacting the Lord's Supper.  Plus occasional disagreements over whether dancing is a sin.

And if you don't think that these distinctions mea ...


I thought Jesus was supposed to be god?  Some sort of trinity thing?
 
2013-09-18 12:57:16 PM  

wxboy: China White Tea: Brian_of_Nazareth: ole prophet: sprawl15: ole prophet: #4 is completely insane. If some a-hole refuses to make a cake for you because he/she is in fact a a-hole, take your money elsewhere.

If someone refuses to make a cake for you because of your skin color, that's a civil rights violation and can be treated as such.

No it isn't. And it shouldn't be. You posted to public forums, you talk to the media, you mock and ridicule, and take your money elsewhere. A business has the right to refuse service for any reason they see fit.

So you're OK with "No Coloreds" signs?

Cheers.

I wouldn't patronize a business with such a sign, but I'm pretty sure enough  other people wouldn't patronize it, as well, that the problem would rapidly correct itself.  We don't need the law to handle every farking thing someone isn't "okay" with.

It took something like 100 years AND a law to eliminate that.  You think things would be different now?



http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/05/burn-in-hell-you-racist-p ig s-christian-baker-who-refused-to-make-lesbian-couples-wedding-cake-det ails-creepy-alleged-break-in-ongoing-challenges/

Kinda looks like it's working so far, yeah.
 
2013-09-18 12:58:40 PM  

iq_in_binary: I'm sorry, are we throwing you farkers to lions for entertainment again? When did I miss that?

Oh we're not? Shut the fark up.


Interesting fact.  Christians weren't thrown to the lions for believing in Christ.  Christians had a reputation for disruption, vandalism and sowing rebellion.  It was those factors that got them tossed to the lions.

 Rome had to maintain its bread and circuses.  There were no rights of the accused, and all criminals where subjected to summary judgments to entertain the masses.
 
2013-09-18 12:59:16 PM  

hubiestubert: 19.   Eating - or touching the carcass of - flying insects with four legs, unless those legs are jointed (11:20-22)
Cicadas may be out.


Four Legged insects?

72.   Working on the Sabbath (23:3)
Sadly, this means no liquor stores open on Saturday or Sunday...

Ignoring that the Sabbath is Saturday and at best Sunday is the Lord's Day,  Not working means a heck of a lot more than no open liquor stores, it means no  one works no restaurants to visit no pizza delivered and no one can cook so pop tarts. No open stores, no tv no radio etc.

Great list you had that ready to post right, didn't type it from memory?
 
2013-09-18 01:01:30 PM  

ole prophet: Brian_of_Nazareth: ole prophet: sprawl15: ole prophet: #4 is completely insane. If some a-hole refuses to make a cake for you because he/she is in fact a a-hole, take your money elsewhere.

If someone refuses to make a cake for you because of your skin color, that's a civil rights violation and can be treated as such.

No it isn't. And it shouldn't be. You posted to public forums, you talk to the media, you mock and ridicule, and take your money elsewhere. A business has the right to refuse service for any reason they see fit.

So you're OK with "No Coloreds" signs?

Cheers.

They didn't have a sign that said that. They refused service for a stupid reason, but it is their call to refuse service. They didn't take money then not deliver; they didn't charge more just because they were homosexual. Those are would be true legal matters. Being stupid and turning down business is not.


You're wrong in both fact and principle. And if I were to open a business and refuse service to Christians, these very same people claiming that right would flip their goddamn lids.

Hell, they thought it was discrimination that people were boycotting Chick-fil-a in protest of the owner's bigotry.
 
2013-09-18 01:02:13 PM  

sprawl15: ole prophet: sprawl15: ole prophet: #4 is completely insane. If some a-hole refuses to make a cake for you because he/she is in fact a a-hole, take your money elsewhere.

If someone refuses to make a cake for you because of your skin color, that's a civil rights violation and can be treated as such.

No it isn't. And it shouldn't be. You posted to public forums, you talk to the media, you mock and ridicule, and take your money elsewhere. A business has the right to refuse service for any reason they see fit.

I refer you to Title II of the Civil Rights Act. Public accommodations fall under Federal civil rights protections.


Public accommodations are making sure there is wheelchair ramp. Unless there is a gay force field door put up that restricts access homosexuals, I think you are just grabbing at straws.
 
2013-09-18 01:04:11 PM  

China White Tea: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/05/burn-in-hell-you-racist-p ig s-christian-baker-who-refused-to-make-lesbian-couples-wedding-cake-det ails-creepy-alleged-break-in-ongoing-challenges/

Kinda looks like it's working so far, yeah.

"Maybe your god will send you some cat food to eat when you are living on the street?"


i512.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-18 01:05:16 PM  

spongeboob: hubiestubert: 19.   Eating - or touching the carcass of - flying insects with four legs, unless those legs are jointed (11:20-22)
Cicadas may be out.

Four Legged insects?

72.   Working on the Sabbath (23:3)
Sadly, this means no liquor stores open on Saturday or Sunday...
Ignoring that the Sabbath is Saturday and at best Sunday is the Lord's Day,  Not working means a heck of a lot more than no open liquor stores, it means no  one works no restaurants to visit no pizza delivered and no one can cook so pop tarts. No open stores, no tv no radio etc.

Great list you had that ready to post right, didn't type it from memory?


It does go back to football again, since how many folks work in those dang stadiums?  Why aren't people threatening to burn down their local network affiliates?
 
2013-09-18 01:07:13 PM  

ole prophet: sprawl15: ole prophet: sprawl15: ole prophet: #4 is completely insane. If some a-hole refuses to make a cake for you because he/she is in fact a a-hole, take your money elsewhere.

If someone refuses to make a cake for you because of your skin color, that's a civil rights violation and can be treated as such.

No it isn't. And it shouldn't be. You posted to public forums, you talk to the media, you mock and ridicule, and take your money elsewhere. A business has the right to refuse service for any reason they see fit.

I refer you to Title II of the Civil Rights Act. Public accommodations fall under Federal civil rights protections.

Public accommodations are making sure there is wheelchair ramp. Unless there is a gay force field door put up that restricts access homosexuals, I think you are just grabbing at straws.


No. A public accommodation is an entity open to the public.accessible to those with handicaps. But, that is not what defines a "public accommodation."

"Within US law, public accommodations are generally defined as entities, both public and private, that are used by the public. Examples include retail stores, rental establishments and service establishments, as well as educational institutions, recreation facilities and service centers. Private clubs and religious institutions are exempt. Public accommodation must be handicap-accessible and must not discriminate on the basis of race, color, religion, or national origin. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_accommodations
 
2013-09-18 01:08:48 PM  

China White Tea: Brian_of_Nazareth: ole prophet: sprawl15: ole prophet: #4 is completely insane. If some a-hole refuses to make a cake for you because he/she is in fact a a-hole, take your money elsewhere.

If someone refuses to make a cake for you because of your skin color, that's a civil rights violation and can be treated as such.

No it isn't. And it shouldn't be. You posted to public forums, you talk to the media, you mock and ridicule, and take your money elsewhere. A business has the right to refuse service for any reason they see fit.

So you're OK with "No Coloreds" signs?

Cheers.

I wouldn't patronize a business with such a sign, but I'm pretty sure enough  other people wouldn't patronize it, as well, that the problem would rapidly correct itself.  We don't need the law to handle every farking thing someone isn't "okay" with.


Are you a racist or do you really not understand the implications of your position?  I ask only so I know what comment to add when I Farky you in "Twit Grey".

Cheers.
 
2013-09-18 01:08:58 PM  
er. "No. A public accommodation is an entity open to the public. Yes, they must be accessible to those with handicaps. But, that is not what defines a "public accommodation."
 
2013-09-18 01:10:00 PM  

ole prophet: sprawl15: ole prophet: sprawl15: ole prophet: #4 is completely insane. If some a-hole refuses to make a cake for you because he/she is in fact a a-hole, take your money elsewhere.

If someone refuses to make a cake for you because of your skin color, that's a civil rights violation and can be treated as such.

No it isn't. And it shouldn't be. You posted to public forums, you talk to the media, you mock and ridicule, and take your money elsewhere. A business has the right to refuse service for any reason they see fit.

I refer you to Title II of the Civil Rights Act. Public accommodations fall under Federal civil rights protections.

Public accommodations are making sure there is wheelchair ramp. Unless there is a gay force field door put up that restricts access homosexuals, I think you are just grabbing at straws.


So it wouldn't be OK if the owner's put up a force field to keep gays from using their business, but restricting their access by just telling them to fark off (but not with each other) would be OK?
 
2013-09-18 01:13:10 PM  

technicolor-misfit: ole prophet: sprawl15: ole prophet: sprawl15: ole prophet: #4 is completely insane. If some a-hole refuses to make a cake for you because he/she is in fact a a-hole, take your money elsewhere.

If someone refuses to make a cake for you because of your skin color, that's a civil rights violation and can be treated as such.

No it isn't. And it shouldn't be. You posted to public forums, you talk to the media, you mock and ridicule, and take your money elsewhere. A business has the right to refuse service for any reason they see fit.

I refer you to Title II of the Civil Rights Act. Public accommodations fall under Federal civil rights protections.

Public accommodations are making sure there is wheelchair ramp. Unless there is a gay force field door put up that restricts access homosexuals, I think you are just grabbing at straws.

No. A public accommodation is an entity open to the public.accessible to those with handicaps. But, that is not what defines a "public accommodation."

"Within US law, public accommodations are generally defined as entities, both public and private, that are used by the public. Examples include retail stores, rental establishments and service establishments, as well as educational institutions, recreation facilities and service centers. Private clubs and religious institutions are exempt. Public accommodation must be handicap-accessible and must not discriminate on the basis of race, color, religion, or national origin. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_accommodations


And, to head the next post off at the pass, homosexuality has been included under Title VII several times now, making the case that it's a violation of Title II to deny service based on sexual orientation an absolutely viable one (assuming there isn't already precedence).
 
2013-09-18 01:15:03 PM  
"Why do people keep saying my shat stinks? I'm being persecuted!!!"
 
2013-09-18 01:15:03 PM  

Rapmaster2000: 20.  We never get any good bands.  We have to listen to Christian rap and then we have to tell people "did you ever listen to DC Talk?  They're really positive."  That's so lame.

21.  All of our celebrities turn out to be whores.  Whether it's Britney, Miley, Beyonce... all of them.  It's all Jesus this and Jesus that and then they turn 19 and they're performing anallingus on national TV with a bear.  It's embarassing.

22.  Have you ever had the misfortune of listening to Christian comedians?  Anything with the word Christian on the front is bound to be bad.  Christian Comedy is like Diet Coke or Sugar-Free Jello.  They tell you it sucks right on the label.


I'm actually a fan of DC Talk's rock/alternative stuff (Jesus Freak, Welcome to the Freakshow, Supernatural). Third Day does pretty good Southern Rock. Jennifer Knapp's a good folk rock singer, though after she came out a large chunk of the Christian community shunned her. Plumb has good alternative albums (Plumb & Chaotic Resolve).
 
2013-09-18 01:16:13 PM  
fc03.deviantart.net

Hello, Mr. Hawkins. I'd like to play a game.
You list one, actual, contextual, factual instance of Christian DISCRIMINATION in this country.
I will list three against people of other religions. We'll see who runs out first.
 
2013-09-18 01:16:14 PM  

Oxygen_Thief: There is nothing wrong with living according to the principles that Jesus modled.


In fact, that would be a really cool thing for Christians to do.  Has it ever happened in the US?
 
2013-09-18 01:16:38 PM  
"You can support gay marriage or you can be Christian, but you can't do both."

Really Jesus? Is that true? Really? Ok, well thanks for clarifying. PS: I didn't know you were fat.
 
2013-09-18 01:16:44 PM  
FTFA:     "4) You can support gay marriage or you can be Christian, but you can't do both."

That is completely unsubstantiated .
 
2013-09-18 01:17:24 PM  

wxboy: It took something like 100 years AND a law to eliminate that. You think things would be different now?


There is a subset of libertarianism that believes that discriminatory business practices would virtually go away  if businesses were not forced to accommodate, due to the fact that most people wouldn't want to do business or be seen doing business with Stormfront McGee's White Pride Bakery.  This isn't based on any real-world examples other than the general philosophy that any government action on a business is always going to be a net negative.

It's also frequently advanced by upper middle class white dudes who see to have an unhealthy obsession with having the freedom to keep black people out of their stores (not my store, totes asking for a friend).
 
2013-09-18 01:17:33 PM  

Brian_of_Nazareth: China White Tea: Brian_of_Nazareth: ole prophet: sprawl15: ole prophet: #4 is completely insane. If some a-hole refuses to make a cake for you because he/she is in fact a a-hole, take your money elsewhere.

If someone refuses to make a cake for you because of your skin color, that's a civil rights violation and can be treated as such.

No it isn't. And it shouldn't be. You posted to public forums, you talk to the media, you mock and ridicule, and take your money elsewhere. A business has the right to refuse service for any reason they see fit.

So you're OK with "No Coloreds" signs?

Cheers.

I wouldn't patronize a business with such a sign, but I'm pretty sure enough  other people wouldn't patronize it, as well, that the problem would rapidly correct itself.  We don't need the law to handle every farking thing someone isn't "okay" with.

Are you a racist or do you really not understand the implications of your position?  I ask only so I know what comment to add when I Farky you in "Twit Grey".

Cheers.


Ah.  The good old false dichotomy - last bastion of the simpleton farker.
 
2013-09-18 01:19:35 PM  

China White Tea: Brian_of_Nazareth: ole prophet: sprawl15: ole prophet: #4 is completely insane. If some a-hole refuses to make a cake for you because he/she is in fact a a-hole, take your money elsewhere.

If someone refuses to make a cake for you because of your skin color, that's a civil rights violation and can be treated as such.

No it isn't. And it shouldn't be. You posted to public forums, you talk to the media, you mock and ridicule, and take your money elsewhere. A business has the right to refuse service for any reason they see fit.

So you're OK with "No Coloreds" signs?

Cheers.

I wouldn't patronize a business with such a sign, but I'm pretty sure enough  other people wouldn't patronize it, as well, that the problem would rapidly correct itself.  We don't need the law to handle every farking thing someone isn't "okay" with.


Before the Civil Rights act (of 1964?) African Americans were routinely denied access to restaurants, hotels, stores, etc.  The Whites Only signs didn't cause those businesses to fail back then.  Are you so sure that it would play out differently today?  Are you willing to risk the lives and well-being of racial minorities on it?
 
2013-09-18 01:21:30 PM  

ole prophet: sprawl15: ole prophet: #4 is completely insane. If some a-hole refuses to make a cake for you because he/she is in fact a a-hole, take your money elsewhere.

If someone refuses to make a cake for you because of your skin color, that's a civil rights violation and can be treated as such.

No it isn't. And it shouldn't be. You posted to public forums, you talk to the media, you mock and ridicule, and take your money elsewhere. A business has the right to refuse service for any reason they see fit.


People who thought like you were the reason there were "sundown towns" and why African-Americans had to create the "Negro Motorist Green Book."
If you hold yourself out an a public accomodation, then you serve all the public instead of just the ones you think are the right color, or go to the right church, etc.
 
2013-09-18 01:24:04 PM  

hubiestubert: Time to dust off the old list of things that Leviticus forbids in addition to the homoerotica...


Why? It's a thread about Christians.
 
2013-09-18 01:25:17 PM  

China White Tea: Brian_of_Nazareth: China White Tea: Brian_of_Nazareth: ole prophet: sprawl15: ole prophet: #4 is completely insane. If some a-hole refuses to make a cake for you because he/she is in fact a a-hole, take your money elsewhere.

If someone refuses to make a cake for you because of your skin color, that's a civil rights violation and can be treated as such.

No it isn't. And it shouldn't be. You posted to public forums, you talk to the media, you mock and ridicule, and take your money elsewhere. A business has the right to refuse service for any reason they see fit.

So you're OK with "No Coloreds" signs?

Cheers.

I wouldn't patronize a business with such a sign, but I'm pretty sure enough  other people wouldn't patronize it, as well, that the problem would rapidly correct itself.  We don't need the law to handle every farking thing someone isn't "okay" with.

Are you a racist or do you really not understand the implications of your position?  I ask only so I know what comment to add when I Farky you in "Twit Grey".

Cheers.

Ah.  The good old false dichotomy - last bastion of the simpleton farker.


Well then, ignore his false dichotomy and just answer the question.  If discrimination was so damaging to businesses, then how did places with 'no coloreds' signs stay open so long?
 
2013-09-18 01:25:19 PM  

Graffito: Before the Civil Rights act (of 1964?) African Americans were routinely denied access to restaurants, hotels, stores, etc.  The Whites Only signs didn't cause those businesses to fail back then.  Are you so sure that it would play out differently today?  Are you willing to risk the lives and well-being of racial minorities on it?


Before the civil rights after of 1964, we didn't have a critical mass of people who actually believed that shiat isn't okay.  There are still some noisy holdouts (especially in the south) but have you  seen how pissed people get whenever one of these stories comes up?  Even the instances that have involved a court have been rendered largely irrelevant long before they made it there, due to the angry fist of the tweeterverse that came down on the heads of the transgressors.

It's really difficult to raise a proper bigot these days, and the ones we have are graciously dying of old age at a pretty good clip.
 
2013-09-18 01:26:17 PM  

Brian_of_Nazareth: You probably should expand on that statement.  I'm having trouble understanding why an activity intended to create an emotional response related to a symbol is a stupid way to start a group discussion on the impact of symbols.  It wouldn't work nearly so well outside the US (from out here, the US fangasms over their versions of Jesus are a bit scary).  It's not substantially dissimilar from the story a few weeks back about a teacher that did the same thing with a flag.


I don't see why creating an emotional response is necessary to teach this lesson.  Jesus is not guaranteed to be a meaningful symbol to all people; the depiction of his name on a piece of paper is not guaranteed to be a meaningful symbol; and if one person does not regard it as a meaningful symbol out of fear that others around them do and will take offense, then the whole lesson is for shiat.

There is plenty of empirical evidence that meaningful symbols exist for people and that desecration or exaltation of said symbols elicits an emotional response in those to whom those symbols are important without some kind of grandstanding.

If you're going to do this exercise, at least ask people to choose a symbol important to them personally.
 
2013-09-18 01:30:29 PM  

China White Tea: I wouldn't patronize a business with such a sign, but I'm pretty sure enough other people wouldn't patronize it, as well, that the problem would rapidly correct itself. We don't need the law to handle every farking thing someone isn't "okay" with.


You are either trolling, lying, or completely ignorant of America.  Blatant racism has become more acceptable in parts of the south than it used to be a couple decades ago.  If there were no legal penalties, some businesses would go "white only" and be able to charge higher prices of the customers who desire "white only" service.  Some public institutions would probably follow suit as well.
 
2013-09-18 01:31:05 PM  

Karac: Jehovah's Witnesses: they believe Jesus made the Earth instead of God, in direct contravention to the very first sentence in the Bible


Well I guess these Baptists aren't Christians either then
 
2013-09-18 01:31:51 PM  
Karac:

Well then, ignore his false dichotomy and just answer the question.  If discrimination was so damaging to businesses, then how did places with 'no coloreds' signs stay open so long?

Because the social environment was completely different in 1964 and there were plenty of people who actually agreed that a "no coloreds" policy was good and just.  Call me a starry-eyed idealist, but when a company gets run out of business because they wouldn't bake a cake for a gay wedding, I have a hard time buying that the Civil Rights Act is the only thing keeping discrimination at bay today.
 
2013-09-18 01:32:25 PM  

tryptik: Brian_of_Nazareth: You probably should expand on that statement.  I'm having trouble understanding why an activity intended to create an emotional response related to a symbol is a stupid way to start a group discussion on the impact of symbols.  It wouldn't work nearly so well outside the US (from out here, the US fangasms over their versions of Jesus are a bit scary).  It's not substantially dissimilar from the story a few weeks back about a teacher that did the same thing with a flag.

I don't see why creating an emotional response is necessary to teach this lesson.  Jesus is not guaranteed to be a meaningful symbol to all people; the depiction of his name on a piece of paper is not guaranteed to be a meaningful symbol; and if one person does not regard it as a meaningful symbol out of fear that others around them do and will take offense, then the whole lesson is for shiat.

There is plenty of empirical evidence that meaningful symbols exist for people and that desecration or exaltation of said symbols elicits an emotional response in those to whom those symbols are important without some kind of grandstanding.

If you're going to do this exercise, at least ask people to choose a symbol important to them personally.


Considering how many people are, and have been, named "Jesus", I really don't see why anyone would hesitate to step on a peice of paper with that written on it.
Of course, a teacher was threatened with death and had to flee to a different country after her class of school-children named a teddybear "Mohammad".  It didn't matter that the children named the bear in honor of one of their classmates who was in the hospital.
 
2013-09-18 01:37:04 PM  

China White Tea: Graffito: Before the Civil Rights act (of 1964?) African Americans were routinely denied access to restaurants, hotels, stores, etc.  The Whites Only signs didn't cause those businesses to fail back then.  Are you so sure that it would play out differently today?  Are you willing to risk the lives and well-being of racial minorities on it?

Before the civil rights after of 1964, we didn't have a critical mass of people who actually believed that shiat isn't okay.  There are still some noisy holdouts (especially in the south) but have you  seen how pissed people get whenever one of these stories comes up?  Even the instances that have involved a court have been rendered largely irrelevant long before they made it there, due to the angry fist of the tweeterverse that came down on the heads of the transgressors.

It's really difficult to raise a proper bigot these days, and the ones we have are graciously dying of old age at a pretty good clip.


Are you seriously trying to say that nowadays we have a critical mass of people who believe discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation is not OK.  Because if you are, allow me to retort:

thinkprogress.org
 
2013-09-18 01:38:40 PM  

China White Tea: Brian_of_Nazareth: China White Tea: Brian_of_Nazareth: ole prophet: sprawl15: ole prophet: #4 is completely insane. If some a-hole refuses to make a cake for you because he/she is in fact a a-hole, take your money elsewhere.

If someone refuses to make a cake for you because of your skin color, that's a civil rights violation and can be treated as such.

No it isn't. And it shouldn't be. You posted to public forums, you talk to the media, you mock and ridicule, and take your money elsewhere. A business has the right to refuse service for any reason they see fit.

So you're OK with "No Coloreds" signs?

Cheers.

I wouldn't patronize a business with such a sign, but I'm pretty sure enough  other people wouldn't patronize it, as well, that the problem would rapidly correct itself.  We don't need the law to handle every farking thing someone isn't "okay" with.

Are you a racist or do you really not understand the implications of your position?  I ask only so I know what comment to add when I Farky you in "Twit Grey".

Cheers.

Ah.  The good old false dichotomy - last bastion of the simpleton farker.


I guess both could be an option.  But seriously, I tried to give you a graceful way out of that statement, you chose not to take it.  My question: answered.

Cheers.
 
2013-09-18 01:39:58 PM  

spongeboob: Karac: Jehovah's Witnesses: they believe Jesus made the Earth instead of God, in direct contravention to the very first sentence in the Bible

Well I guess these Baptists aren't Christians either then


Like I said, I was merely repeating what I've heard said from the pulpit, usually right before I took out a piece of paper and started putting together a grocery list.  From what was said Jehovah's Witnesses believe that God and Jesus are separate being, not part of a united Trinity, and that the Father Himself played no role in the creation.
 
2013-09-18 01:50:45 PM  

China White Tea: Graffito: Before the Civil Rights act (of 1964?) African Americans were routinely denied access to restaurants, hotels, stores, etc.  The Whites Only signs didn't cause those businesses to fail back then.  Are you so sure that it would play out differently today?  Are you willing to risk the lives and well-being of racial minorities on it?

Before the civil rights after of 1964, we didn't have a critical mass of people who actually believed that shiat isn't okay.  There are still some noisy holdouts (especially in the south) but have you  seen how pissed people get whenever one of these stories comes up?  Even the instances that have involved a court have been rendered largely irrelevant long before they made it there, due to the angry fist of the tweeterverse that came down on the heads of the transgressors.

It's really difficult to raise a proper bigot these days, and the ones we have are graciously dying of old age at a pretty good clip.


So... you think anti-discrimination laws are unnecessary because this one thing (discrimination against blacks) has improved tremendously after a civil war, a decade of civil rights protests (which resulted in beatings, intimidation, murders, unjust imprisonment, etc.), legal battles over the Voting Rights Act/Civil Rights Act, and then nearly 40 years of normalization whereupon we arrive at a point where there is still a farkton of discrimination against blacks...

Yeah, I suppose you might have a point if there weren't new waves of discrimination still popping up. I mean, I'm sure no one would love to hang a sign up in their restaurant that said "No Sand-Ni**ers Allowed." And if folks jumped up to protest it, and boycott them, I'm sure there wouldn't be a line of Bible-thumping Dittohead retards wrapped around the building to show their support and stick it to the AY-rabs and libtards.
 
2013-09-18 01:56:25 PM  

spongeboob: Well I guess these Baptists aren't Christians either then


Of course not.  There is only one holy Catholic and apostolic church, and the Baptists ain't it.
 
2013-09-18 01:58:46 PM  

China White Tea: Karac:

Well then, ignore his false dichotomy and just answer the question.  If discrimination was so damaging to businesses, then how did places with 'no coloreds' signs stay open so long?

Because the social environment was completely different in 1964 and there were plenty of people who actually agreed that a "no coloreds" policy was good and just.  Call me a starry-eyed idealist, but when a company gets run out of business because they wouldn't bake a cake for a gay wedding, I have a hard time buying that the Civil Rights Act is the only thing keeping discrimination at bay today.


The getting run out of business thing happened in the Pacific Northwest, IIRC.  In the south, they would have got more business from people who wanted to show their support.
 
2013-09-18 01:59:53 PM  
Karac:

Are you seriously trying to say that nowadays we have a critical mass of people who believe discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation is not OK.  Because if you are, allow me to retort:

A few things.

1.  I can google up a pic of an absolute shiatton of people at a Mitt Romney campaign event.  He still lost, and pretty handily.  A picture of a few hundred assholes crowding around one doesn't really have any statistical meaning and is not a representative sample of the US.

2.  You're moving the goalposts for "discrimination" here, a bit.  We seem to have jumped from, "Civil rights act violations" to "holding unpopular opinions".  The initial cause of the controversy was the fact that CFA donated to "traditional family values" type organizations, and it was exacerbated by Dan Cathy reaffirming that position.  Neither of these actions violate the civil rights act and are, in fact, protected under the first amendment.  Were they wrong?  Yes.  Is Dan Cathy an asshole?  But here's the good part!

3.  As a result of that controversy, CFA ceased donating to the "traditional christian family"/anti-LGBT organizations, which was what instigated the entire thing in the first place.  So, as face-palm worthy as a bunch of bigoted assholes crowding around a Chick-Fil-A to support hate is, it turns out that they  didn't actually receive enough support to maintain their position.
 
2013-09-18 02:07:03 PM  

China White Tea: Karac:

Are you seriously trying to say that nowadays we have a critical mass of people who believe discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation is not OK.  Because if you are, allow me to retort:

A few things.

1.  I can google up a pic of an absolute shiatton of people at a Mitt Romney campaign event.  He still lost, and pretty handily.  A picture of a few hundred assholes crowding around one doesn't really have any statistical meaning and is not a representative sample of the US.

2.  You're moving the goalposts for "discrimination" here, a bit.  We seem to have jumped from, "Civil rights act violations" to "holding unpopular opinions".  The initial cause of the controversy was the fact that CFA donated to "traditional family values" type organizations, and it was exacerbated by Dan Cathy reaffirming that position.  Neither of these actions violate the civil rights act and are, in fact, protected under the first amendment.  Were they wrong?  Yes.  Is Dan Cathy an asshole?  But here's the good part!

3.   As a result of that controversy, CFA ceased donating to the "traditional christian family"/anti-LGBT organizations, which was what instigated the entire thing in the first place.  So, as face-palm worthy as a bunch of bigoted assholes crowding around a Chick-Fil-A to support hate is, it turns out that they  didn't actually receive enough support to maintain their position.



Incorrect.


Memo To Media: Chick-Fil-A Hasn't Ended Its Anti-Gay Donations
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/01/29/memo-to-media-chick- fil-a-hasn t-ended-its-anti/192434
 
2013-09-18 02:10:04 PM  

China White Tea: Karac:

Are you seriously trying to say that nowadays we have a critical mass of people who believe discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation is not OK.  Because if you are, allow me to retort:

A few things.

1.  I can google up a pic of an absolute shiatton of people at a Mitt Romney campaign event.  He still lost, and pretty handily.  A picture of a few hundred assholes crowding around one doesn't really have any statistical meaning and is not a representative sample of the US.

2.  You're moving the goalposts for "discrimination" here, a bit.  We seem to have jumped from, "Civil rights act violations" to "holding unpopular opinions".  The initial cause of the controversy was the fact that CFA donated to "traditional family values" type organizations, and it was exacerbated by Dan Cathy reaffirming that position.  Neither of these actions violate the civil rights act and are, in fact, protected under the first amendment.  Were they wrong?  Yes.  Is Dan Cathy an asshole?  But here's the good part!

3.  As a result of that controversy, CFA ceased donating to the "traditional christian family"/anti-LGBT organizations, which was what instigated the entire thing in the first place.  So, as face-palm worthy as a bunch of bigoted assholes crowding around a Chick-Fil-A to support hate is, it turns out that they  didn't actually receive enough support to maintain their position.


1: I provided one picture of a few hundred people.  But unless you didn't catch the news that day, that picture was merely one location out of thousands where the same thing occurred.  600,000 people signed up on Huckabee's facebook page for Chik-Fil-A appreciation day.  Implying that bigots came out in droves at only the one place I pictured is either plain dishonesty at worst, or blind stupidity for thinking discrimination against gays isn't accepted at best.

2: I moved no goalposts.  You seemed to say that discriminating against gays would prove to be so unprofitable that business would be forced to close.  I provided an example of how discriminating against gays caused them to get so many customers that the line ran out the door and around the block.
 
2013-09-18 02:19:38 PM  
I like the Smokey the Bear ad on that site. Taking money the Govt stole from citizens to promote fire safety? Doesn't sound very bootstrappy. The Papa John's ads didn't surprise me. Several of us have convinced a rather large organization I work with to NOT order Papa John's for Friday lunches any more. FU John, u stole ur business from Pizza Hut anyways.
 
2013-09-18 02:27:13 PM  

swaniefrmreddeer: One more time, GIFed.

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Can you do it again with this?

img33.imageshack.us
 
2013-09-18 02:32:28 PM  
I'd say John's argument has some holes in it, namely one in either hand.
 
2013-09-18 02:40:37 PM  
Oh noes! You had to deal with  bureaucracy and  other people being different! How will you poor dears  ever cope with such  heavy burdens? Will your suffering  never end? Thank the gods your Jesus gives you a thick skin, smiling face, and generous heart to deal with such atrocities!
 
2013-09-18 02:43:00 PM  
2: I moved no goalposts.  You seemed to say that discriminating against gays would prove to be so unprofitable that business would be forced to close.

You broadened the definition of "discrimination" from "discrimination under the CRA" to "holding a discriminatory opinion".  That's moving the goalposts.

I provided an example of how discriminating against gays caused them to get so many customers that the line ran out the door and around the block.

What percentage of the actual population do you think still believes that shiat's okay?  Just out of curiosity.  Suppose in some alternate universe, Chick-Fil-A decided to ban all GBLT people from all Chick-Fil-As forever.  It's really easy to think that that photo is representative when it's an acute situation.  Do you think it would hold over in a chronic one, though?   Would there be rednecks lined up around the building every dayready to harden their arteries because they love Jesus, America, and Dan Cathy so much?
 
2013-09-18 02:54:04 PM  

China White Tea: 2: I moved no goalposts.  You seemed to say that discriminating against gays would prove to be so unprofitable that business would be forced to close.

You broadened the definition of "discrimination" from "discrimination under the CRA" to "holding a discriminatory opinion".  That's moving the goalposts.

I provided an example of how discriminating against gays caused them to get so many customers that the line ran out the door and around the block.

What percentage of the actual population do you think still believes that shiat's okay?  Just out of curiosity.  Suppose in some alternate universe, Chick-Fil-A decided to ban all GBLT people from all Chick-Fil-As forever.  It's really easy to think that that photo is representative when it's an acute situation.  Do you think it would hold over in a chronic one, though?   Would there be rednecks lined up around the building every dayready to harden their arteries because they love Jesus, America, and Dan Cathy so much?


How many people would agree that gays should be discriminated against?  47.20%
As for whether that's an acute percentage, in 2008 it was 45.65%, but in 2004 it was 48.27%
 
2013-09-18 03:01:46 PM  
Digging a bit deeper into #7, turns out that,

a) The exercise wasn't to get the students to actually stomp on "Jesus" written on a piece of paper, but instead to get them to contemplate why they would hesitate to do so. According to the lesson plan, "Have the students write the name JESUS in big letters on a piece of paper. Ask the students to stand up and put the paper on the floor in front of them with the name facing up. Ask the students to think about it for a moment. After a brief period of silence instruct them to step on the paper. Most will hesitate. Ask why they can't step on the paper. Discuss the importance of symbols in culture." Link (to Fox, no less)

b) The student wasn't suspended for refusing to stomp on Jesus, but rather because he made threats against the instructor
 
2013-09-18 03:18:19 PM  

China White Tea: 2: I moved no goalposts.  You seemed to say that discriminating against gays would prove to be so unprofitable that business would be forced to close.

You broadened the definition of "discrimination" from "discrimination under the CRA" to "holding a discriminatory opinion".  That's moving the goalposts.

I provided an example of how discriminating against gays caused them to get so many customers that the line ran out the door and around the block.

What percentage of the actual population do you think still believes that shiat's okay?  Just out of curiosity.  Suppose in some alternate universe, Chick-Fil-A decided to ban all GBLT people from all Chick-Fil-As forever.  It's really easy to think that that photo is representative when it's an acute situation.  Do you think it would hold over in a chronic one, though?   Would there be rednecks lined up around the building every dayready to harden their arteries because they love Jesus, America, and Dan Cathy so much?



No... but likewise, do you really believe the bulk of people would boycott them (and all other discriminatory businesses) forever if the situation were a chronic one?

Moreover, why are we even debating it? To what purpose would we say "Okay, fark the CRA. If hoss here says 'no ni**ers allowed,' then you coloreds best be movin' along unless you want me to cart you off to jail for trespassin'."

Why do people argue for allowing discriminatory business practices, say they're not in favor of discriminatory business practices, and then swear up and down that the free market will eliminate discriminatory business practices?

The CRA is already quite handily eliminating the bulk of discriminatory business practices. Why do it the hard way just so some shiathead feels empowered to treat other people like second class citizens.

Don't we have better issues to address as a society than whether or not Bubba is being oppressed by being prevented from oppressing people in his public business which receives numerous operational benefits directly from the public, such as court-enforced contracts and the ability to collect debts or block others from infringing on his trademarks, copyrights, and other intellectual property, police/fire protection, roads and utilities, federal depository insurance, and if he's smart, a business structure which allows him to keep his business debts separated from his personal finances?

I say given the support the U.S. provides as a veritable business incubator, forsaking the power to stick it to the queers and ni*ras and towel-heads is a small price to pay. If anyone disagrees, they're free to start a business that is NOT a public accommodation or move to a country more to their liking.

www.vh1.com
 
2013-09-18 03:23:03 PM  

Exception Collection: Rapmaster2000: 20.  We never get any good bands.  We have to listen to Christian rap and then we have to tell people "did you ever listen to DC Talk?  They're really positive."  That's so lame.

21.  All of our celebrities turn out to be whores.  Whether it's Britney, Miley, Beyonce... all of them.  It's all Jesus this and Jesus that and then they turn 19 and they're performing anallingus on national TV with a bear.  It's embarassing.

22.  Have you ever had the misfortune of listening to Christian comedians?  Anything with the word Christian on the front is bound to be bad.  Christian Comedy is like Diet Coke or Sugar-Free Jello.  They tell you it sucks right on the label.

I'm actually a fan of DC Talk's rock/alternative stuff (Jesus Freak, Welcome to the Freakshow, Supernatural). Third Day does pretty good Southern Rock. Jennifer Knapp's a good folk rock singer, though after she came out a large chunk of the Christian community shunned her. Plumb has good alternative albums (Plumb & Chaotic Resolve).


As an atheist, I don't care if the content is religious as long as it's funny. There are some funny Christian comics. Good Christian rock is really hard to find. My wife listens to shiat that makes me want to stab baby Jesus.
 
2013-09-18 03:34:52 PM  
The proof of American discrimination against christians is the overrepresentation of muslims and atheists in our highest executive and legislative offices.

Oh, wait.
 
2013-09-18 04:32:18 PM  
I think that if modern "Christians" in America actually knew what it was like to be oppressed and discriminated against, they might have a different view of their treatment of gays.  Perhaps if they'd felt the sting of whips just for being born a certain way...or had their faces beaten in with the butt of a rifle for holding a bible...perhaps if they experienced what black people felt in Jim Crowe, Perhaps a shiate in Sunni country...perhaps experience life as a single woman in rural India...or the Native Americans felt during the 'trail of tears'...perhaps experienced something like apartheid in South Africa....THEN they might know what it's like to be "oppressed".

(I used the quotes because very few of those who call themselves 'Christians' are actively pursuing any kind of spiritual betterment or personal growth other than spending all week trying to get into hell, then asking for holy forgiveness on Sunday mornings.  Apologies to those who take your personal spiritual path seriously...I'm aiming for the self-absorbed retards, here...)
 
2013-09-18 04:38:46 PM  

flondrix: spongeboob: Well I guess these Baptists aren't Christians either then

Of course not.  There is only one holy Catholic and apostolic church, and the Baptists ain't it.


Sorry to burst your bubble bout The True Catholic Church end in 2009
 
2013-09-18 05:04:25 PM  
Oh boy, here we go.  I'm going to dive in and summarize each point:

1. The government won't subsidize a charity unless it stops pushing its religion on people.
2. The IRS audited an organization to make sure it qualified for tax exempt status.  It just so happened they were Christian.
3.  Some people were arrested when it was believed they needed a permit, but they were acquitted because they didn't actually need one.
4.  Businesses can't discriminate against gay people in CO.
5.  Military members can't discriminate against gays or provide false statements to the media.
6.  Churches don't get special treatment and have to get a permit for holding large events in public parks, just like everyone else.
7.  A professor somewhere dared to make people think about why they wouldn't want to step on a paper with "Jesus" written on it.
 
2013-09-18 05:10:11 PM  

threedingers: Digging a bit deeper into #7, turns out that,

a) The exercise wasn't to get the students to actually stomp on "Jesus" written on a piece of paper, but instead to get them to contemplate why they would hesitate to do so. According to the lesson plan, "Have the students write the name JESUS in big letters on a piece of paper. Ask the students to stand up and put the paper on the floor in front of them with the name facing up. Ask the students to think about it for a moment. After a brief period of silence instruct them to step on the paper. Most will hesitate. Ask why they can't step on the paper. Discuss the importance of symbols in culture." Link (to Fox, no less)

b) The student wasn't suspended for refusing to stomp on Jesus, but rather because he made threats against the instructor


Pretty much why I retracted my previous statement. Odd how our Dear Author neglected those details, inn'it?
 
2013-09-18 05:48:50 PM  

monoski: "ole prophet: #4 is completely insane. If some a-hole refuses to make a cake for you because he/she is in fact a a-hole, take your money elsewhere.

Illegal to discriminate against people based on the sexual orientation. What you are proposing would allow a business to not cater to people based on other factors like race, religion, disability etc..."



Huh? No he isn't -- at all. The baker owned a business that offered a service: creation of props (cakes) for particular ceremonies, including the celebration of a civil union between a man and a woman. If a gay customer asked him to bake a cake for such a ceremony and he refused, THAT would be discrimination based on sexual orientation.

But that's not what happened: a straight customer came in and asked the baker to provide a service that was, by his definition, different - the creation of a prop for a different ceremony. He refused on the grounds that this was a service he didn't, and refused to, offer. Personally, I'm repulsed by the baker's beliefs and I think he's a bigoted ass, but legally speaking it doesn't matter what I think. The fact remains that he would have (in all likelihood) created a cake for a straight wedding for  any customer, gay or straight, who asked for it. No (legal) discrimination took place - it's not illegal to make/sell props for one ceremony but not another.

A business has no obligation of inclusivity in its product or service line. In the eyes of the law Voodoo is a religion no less protected than Christianity, but a doll maker has every right to make a baby Jesus doll for one customer and refuse to make a Voodoo doll for another. Why do you believe this is legally different?
 
2013-09-18 06:13:00 PM  

spmkk: The fact remains that he would have (in all likelihood) created a cake for a straight wedding for any customer, gay or straight, who asked for it. No (legal) discrimination took place - it's not illegal to make/sell props for one ceremony but not another.


I was all set to type up a serious reply explaining just how wrong you were until I got to this part and figured out what you were going for. All in all it's a pretty solid, if unusually worded, satire on the "Gay and straight people both have the right to marry someone of the opposite sex" brand of argument.
 
2013-09-18 06:33:31 PM  

spmkk: monoski: "ole prophet: #4 is completely insane. If some a-hole refuses to make a cake for you because he/she is in fact a a-hole, take your money elsewhere.

Illegal to discriminate against people based on the sexual orientation. What you are proposing would allow a business to not cater to people based on other factors like race, religion, disability etc..."


Huh? No he isn't -- at all. The baker owned a business that offered a service: creation of props (cakes) for particular ceremonies, including the celebration of a civil union between a man and a woman. If a gay customer asked him to bake a cake for such a ceremony and he refused, THAT would be discrimination based on sexual orientation.

But that's not what happened: a straight customer came in and asked the baker to provide a service that was, by his definition, different - the creation of a prop for a different ceremony. He refused on the grounds that this was a service he didn't, and refused to, offer. Personally, I'm repulsed by the baker's beliefs and I think he's a bigoted ass, but legally speaking it doesn't matter what I think. The fact remains that he would have (in all likelihood) created a cake for a straight wedding for  any customer, gay or straight, who asked for it. No (legal) discrimination took place - it's not illegal to make/sell props for one ceremony but not another.

A business has no obligation of inclusivity in its product or service line. In the eyes of the law Voodoo is a religion no less protected than Christianity, but a doll maker has every right to make a baby Jesus doll for one customer and refuse to make a Voodoo doll for another. Why do you believe this is legally different?


I don't believe it's any different.  Mainly because I also believe there's no difference between heterosexual and homosexual marriage.
The baker was offering a service of baking wedding cakes.  He refused to do so because of a someone sexual orientation, which is against the law.
 
2013-09-18 08:54:25 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: wxboy: BMulligan: strathcona: HindiDiscoMonster: d23: factoryconnection: urbangirl: Local elected officials are responding by doubling down on city council meeting prayers and their attorneys are backing them up.

Everyone likes a theocracy when it is their particular brand in charge.

When "Christian" becomes the official religion then the Baptists will start with the crap that the Catholics aren't real Christians.  It doesn't end.  If you're against genocide then separation of church and state is the only sane policy.

well... Catholics aren't Christian. They are Idolaters

Are you retarded?  Just asking.

You've never heard this point of view from an Evangelical Christian? I used to hear it all the time, when my family was identifiably Catholic and I went to school with born-agains.

IIRC from my childhood as an Evangelical, the implication is that Catholics worship Mary and the other saints almost on the same level as God and Jesus, including pilgrimages to holy sites associated with them, and therefore are breaking the 2nd commandment at least, and possibly the 1st.

we have a winner!


Catholics are Christians. They've got the apostle Peter's bones buried under their clubhouse and everything.
 
2013-09-18 09:39:21 PM  

webron: iq_in_binary: I'm sorry, are we throwing you farkers to lions for entertainment again? When did I miss that?

Oh we're not? Shut the fark up.

Oddly enough, there is no evidence that the whole feeding christians to the lions thing ever happened.  Christianity has been lying about being oppressed from the start.  The romans could not care less about what gods people worshipped.  Thank god there is nothing in the bible that forbids lying.  As far as i can tell from dealing with christians is that the whole bible is about how much god hates gay people.  They must use a different bible than the one i read growing up.


Nero did a pretty good job of blaming the Christians for things. Of course, he needed some handy scapegoats with no power that nobody liked, and at the time (1st Century), Christians were anxious for martyrdom so they could get to heaven quickly before Judgement day. So under Nero, and a bit under the next couple of Emperors, Christians got persecuted pretty good; but probably no feeding to lions, because the gladiators did most of that.
 
2013-09-18 11:49:39 PM  

tryptik: Brian_of_Nazareth: You probably should expand on that statement.  I'm having trouble understanding why an activity intended to create an emotional response related to a symbol is a stupid way to start a group discussion on the impact of symbols.  It wouldn't work nearly so well outside the US (from out here, the US fangasms over their versions of Jesus are a bit scary).  It's not substantially dissimilar from the story a few weeks back about a teacher that did the same thing with a flag.

I don't see why creating an emotional response is necessary to teach this lesson.  Jesus is not guaranteed to be a meaningful symbol to all people; the depiction of his name on a piece of paper is not guaranteed to be a meaningful symbol; and if one person does not regard it as a meaningful symbol out of fear that others around them do and will take offense, then the whole lesson is for shiat.

There is plenty of empirical evidence that meaningful symbols exist for people and that desecration or exaltation of said symbols elicits an emotional response in those to whom those symbols are important without some kind of grandstanding.

If you're going to do this exercise, at least ask people to choose a symbol important to them personally.


I suggest that your interpretation of this is exactly the reason using such a symbol is relevant.

The fact that some people will not have such an emotional response is just as important as the 'emotional response' you are focused on. The contrasts in responses are exactly the point of the exercise.

The fact that you dismiss this as 'for shiat', well ....
 
2013-09-19 08:33:21 AM  
Maybe I don't have all the details, but how is it possible to go to jail over denying a customer service?

I know there are laws against certain types of discrimination, but I thought those mostly dealt with employee-employer relations. Even then, I didn't think these were prison-level offenses anyway. If I went to a store and was denied service, I'd expect a person to be fired at the absolute worst.

Not that I'm defending the store's actions.
 
2013-09-19 09:22:40 AM  

Girl Pants: Maybe I don't have all the details, but how is it possible to go to jail over denying a customer service?


sprawl15: If someone refuses to make a cake for you because of your skin color, that's a civil rights violation and can be treated as such.

 
2013-09-19 11:51:21 AM  

Girl Pants: Maybe I don't have all the details, but how is it possible to go to jail over denying a customer service?


The Colorado statute that forbids discrimination in places of public accommodation makes such discrimination a misdemeanor, punishable by a fine of 50-500 dollars and up to a year in jail.  This whole situation is like someone getting charged with as a Disorderly Person for being too noisy near somebody's house. In that case, the penalties include a fine of up to $1,000, up to six months in jail, or both.

If some jerkoff got charged with "disorderly conduct"  and subsequently hired a lawyer who started doing interviews with partisan bloggers pissing and moaning about how his client was "facing six months in jail just for playing some loud music in his house" we would all immediately recognize it for the hyperbolic wailing of a wannabe martyr with a victimization complex  that it really was. This particular case is exactly that.
 
2013-09-19 04:22:18 PM  

flondrix: Blatant racism has become more acceptable in parts of the south than it used to be a couple decades ago.


Plausible, but [Citation Needed]

Karac: How many people would agree that gays should be discriminated against? 47.20%


The presidential election is a lousy proxy. For businesses offering public accommodations, try more like 15% -- see page 4 (but check the fine print on the methodology at the end).
 
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