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(Nola.com)   Bad: New Orleans cops blow an arm off, fire on and kill unarmed citizens, including a retarded man. Good: Cops get convicted. FARK: Judge overturns convictions because prosecutors made online comments on a news website   (nola.com) divider line 116
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2013-09-18 08:59:18 AM  
Just kill the cops. Easy peasy. Frog march 'em to a noose, ask them to put it on, two to the head if the don't.
 
2013-09-18 09:13:41 AM  
Isn't it nice how NOLA cops are beyond the reach of the justice they serve?
 
2013-09-18 09:14:11 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-18 09:15:00 AM  
If they hadn't been cops, they would be on death row now.
 
2013-09-18 09:16:38 AM  
So you're saying in case of major emergency I should just make sure that we shoot all the cops we see?
 
2013-09-18 09:21:47 AM  
The people in the proescuters office should be punished.

But I don't think you can blame a jury verdict on bad PR.
 
2013-09-18 09:23:48 AM  
These men are heroes. The police told me so.
www.upl.co

www.upl.co

In before boot lickers claim isolated incident.
 
2013-09-18 09:25:04 AM  
i1168.photobucket.com

"Cops absolved of any wrongdoing.  Film at eleven"
 
2013-09-18 09:26:39 AM  
...prosecutors in Letten's office had authored disparaging comments on NOLA.com about defendants in several criminal cases, including the Danziger case.

Uh... that's not exactly a "put the staple on the wrong side of the stack" type technical error, that's pretty brazen and willful misconduct.

The evidence is still the same as it was before, presumably the outcome should still be the same. Hopefully this time the prosecution finds some professionals to put forward its case.
 
2013-09-18 09:29:10 AM  
I'm so glad the first piece of news I read today makes me want to vomit. It'll help me with my diet.
 
2013-09-18 09:29:12 AM  
Isolated incident!
 
2013-09-18 09:31:17 AM  
All were tried and convicted of civil rights violations

Wait. That's all they were charged with?
 
2013-09-18 09:31:29 AM  

OnlyM3: In before boot lickers claim isolated incident


How about isolated to police depts?
 
2013-09-18 09:32:51 AM  
So, just like that? Cops convicted of murder and covering up their crimes, even with overwhelming evidence, and it's all flushed down the toilet because of some Internet comments?

This is why I teach my kids that law enforcement is a darkness and never to trust the police.
 
2013-09-18 09:32:53 AM  

abhorrent1: All were tried and convicted of civil rights violations

Wait. That's all they were charged with?


You didn't know cops can get away with murder?
 
2013-09-18 09:33:40 AM  

buttcat: This is why I teach my kids that law enforcement is a darkness and never to trust the police.


Because you're dumb as a brick and illiterate to boot? Was that your point?
 
2013-09-18 09:33:49 AM  

OnlyM3: These men are heroes. The police told me so.




In before boot lickers claim isolated incident.


There is in fact, just the one incident.

/isolated but large.
 
2013-09-18 09:35:20 AM  
I don't know.  I agree that the prosecution was stupid to be posting comments on message boards, but what does that really have to do with the case itself?  They still presented the evidence, a jury still found them guilty.  The jury was not swayed by these comments, and they were not accused of speaking with the jury.

There was misconduct there, but why should the verdict be thrown out?  I think it's a bit of an overreaction by the judge and a nice excuse for him to take care of his cop buddies...
 
2013-09-18 09:35:33 AM  

buttcat: So, just like that? Cops convicted of murder and covering up their crimes, even with overwhelming evidence, and it's all flushed down the toilet because of some Internet comments?

This is why I teach my kids that law enforcement is a darkness and never to trust the police.


I believe there will be another trial.
 
2013-09-18 09:37:40 AM  

buttcat: This is why I teach my kids that law enforcement is a darkness and never to trust the police.


this is probably good information to give your kids in this day and age, not necessarily that the police are evil but for sure absolutely do not trust the police and make sure to steer clear of them because they are erratic and have absolute power over you.
 
2013-09-18 09:40:49 AM  

SeesWhatYouDidThere: I don't know.  I agree that the prosecution was stupid to be posting comments on message boards, but what does that really have to do with the case itself?  They still presented the evidence, a jury still found them guilty.  The jury was not swayed by these comments, and they were not accused of speaking with the jury.

There was misconduct there, but why should the verdict be thrown out?  I think it's a bit of an overreaction by the judge and a nice excuse for him to take care of his cop buddies...


The prosecution no doubt did some retarded stuff but yeah, I'm not sure what difference a new trial is supposed to make.
 
2013-09-18 09:41:36 AM  
This is a travesty.
 
2013-09-18 09:42:53 AM  
Cops are protected class now. That's why I hope anyone on the jury of someone accused of harming a cop thinks twice before they vote to convict. There has to be some accountability and justice.
 
2013-09-18 09:44:41 AM  
liam76
2013-09-18 09:31:29 AM


OnlyM3: In before boot lickers claim isolated incident

How about isolated to police depts?

A fair try, but that crowd you see in those photos consists of members of multiple departments from neighboring city cops, to sheriff deputies.
 
2013-09-18 09:45:18 AM  

buttcat: So, just like that? Cops convicted of murder and covering up their crimes, even with overwhelming evidence, and it's all flushed down the toilet because of some Internet comments?

This is why I teach my kids that law enforcement is a darkness and never to trust the police.


You sound brown.  Or paranoid.  It's really a matter of necessity vs politics.
 
2013-09-18 09:45:44 AM  

abhorrent1: All were tried and convicted of civil rights violations

Wait. That's all they were charged with?


Yup. The only federal charges that could be pressed. No state charges because the state couldn't or wouldn't get it's shiat in a pile to prosecute them.
 
2013-09-18 09:46:19 AM  

Ned Stark: OnlyM3: These men are heroes. The police told me so.

In before boot lickers claim isolated incident.

There is in fact, just the one incident.

/isolated but large.


If referring to the prosecutors it is not.  On NPR yesterday they explained how during the investigation they discovered this entire office was corrupt and had on numerous occasions done similar things and this has been going on for years.
 
2013-09-18 09:46:20 AM  

OnlyM3: liam76
2013-09-18 09:31:29 AM


OnlyM3: In before boot lickers claim isolated incident

How about isolated to police depts?
A fair try, but that crowd you see in those photos consists of members of multiple departments from neighboring city cops, to sheriff deputies.


So... no one who ISN'T in a police department?
 
2013-09-18 09:46:24 AM  
Woohoo! Can't wait till all the convicts file appeals based on this case!
 
2013-09-18 09:48:33 AM  
If you're enough of a dumbass to post anonymous snarky comments about the case you are prosecuting on a website. . well, have I got a website for you.

shop.fark.com
 
2013-09-18 09:49:30 AM  
Hmmm....The article doesn't say "retarded man" or "retarded" at all.

I wonder why?
 
2013-09-18 09:50:45 AM  

buttcat: So, just like that? Cops convicted of murder and covering up their crimes, even with overwhelming evidence, and it's all flushed down the toilet because of some Internet comments?

This is why I teach my kids that law enforcement is a darkness and never to trust the police.


And you're correct.
 
2013-09-18 09:54:14 AM  
FTA: "Bowen, who opened fire with an AK-47 and Gisevius, who opened fire with an M-4 rifle, were each given 40 years. Villavasso, who fired with an AK-47 was given 38 years."

Are AK-47s standard issue in the NOPD?
 
2013-09-18 09:54:39 AM  
I want to join the NOPD, somewhat...
But I know that I would be fighting against such brazen disregard for life and that might make me a few enemies on the force.
 
2013-09-18 09:56:13 AM  

SeesWhatYouDidThere: I don't know. I agree that the prosecution was stupid to be posting comments on message boards, but what does that really have to do with the case itself? They still presented the evidence, a jury still found them guilty. The jury was not swayed by these comments, and they were not accused of speaking with the jury.


Two senior prosecutors in the US Attorney's office, posted hundreds, maybe thousands of angry screeds, under several aliases, about the case, about the NOPD, about the city, etc., in the months leading up to the trial. (Also note that these two attorneys were not prosecuting the case, but were senior prosecutors in the same office.)

Click for the full opinion from the judge.

Also, the investigation found a DC-based DOJ Civil rights attorney doing the same thing. This attorney was the head of the 'taint team,' tasked with (essentially) making sure the cops' due process was scrupulously observed, so that nothing could later tank the case on appeal.  (Page 58 of the opinion.)  The judge also alludes to the fact that there was probably one or more other persons in the office doing the same.

So: Several senior federal prosecutors were constantly posting angry, derisive comments on the metro area's most-viewed website about this and other open cases, as well as grand jury information, and other posts directed at the NOPD, city leaders, judges, etc.  It was either monumental stupidity, or a blatant attempt to sway any potential jury pool. (Jury pools for this US District comprise 13 parishes (counties,) not just Orleans Parish.)

The ensuing scandal was big enough that US Attorney Jim Letten resigned in disgrace.  He was a singularly well-regarded US Attorney...a no-nonsense, (seemingly)   'tough as nails' prosecutor who had been appointed by Bush, and re-nominated by Obama...that's extremely rare for someone to survive a transition in presidents of a different party.

/The irony of me posting in a semi-anonymous fashion about this in a comment thread is not lost on me.  Nola Farkers know I work for a local news organization.
 
2013-09-18 09:57:19 AM  

skozlaw: ...prosecutors in Letten's office had authored disparaging comments on NOLA.com about defendants in several criminal cases, including the Danziger case.

Uh... that's not exactly a "put the staple on the wrong side of the stack" type technical error, that's pretty brazen and willful misconduct.

The evidence is still the same as it was before, presumably the outcome should still be the same. Hopefully this time the prosecution finds some professionals to put forward its case.


Well, they already used the best guys for the first run, so clearly they'll be going with second-stringers for the retrial. So don't be surprised if those prosecutors make some rookie mistake that causes them to lose the trial. I mean, public pressure would destroy them if they failed to prosecute, but if they prosecute and lose because of a screwup by one of the back-benchers? Well, they'll promise to do better next time they have to prosecute one of their boys in blue
 
2013-09-18 09:59:11 AM  

ristst: [i1168.photobucket.com image 200x150]

"Cops absolved of any wrongdoing.  Film at eleven"


New trials, Oprah style. So yeah, they're probably getting off.
 
2013-09-18 10:04:24 AM  

skozlaw: Uh... that's not exactly a "put the staple on the wrong side of the stack" type technical error, that's pretty brazen and willful misconduct.


Yeah.  Someone THAT dumb would almost have to be TRYING to force a retrial.
 
2013-09-18 10:06:14 AM  

vudukungfu: If they hadn't been cops, they would be on death row now.


This.
 
2013-09-18 10:07:51 AM  
I love Fark hypocrisy.

If anyone would bother to read the ruling, they'd see some textbook worthy examples of blatant proprietorial misconduct and possible perjury.  In any other trial, they'd be screaming about justice for the defendants.  In this case since the defendants are cops they say screw it, the defendants are clearly guilty so why are we worried about their stupid constitutional rights.

Just absolutely beautiful stuff.

In all honesty, the case should probably have been dismissed with prejudice.  I suspect the only reason it wasn't is because the cops do indeed appear to be guilty as sin and no judge really wants to let murdering cops walk because the prosecutors were this farking stupid.
 
2013-09-18 10:08:24 AM  
There could be some skewed reporting going on here.

Engelhardt's order Tuesday referenced portions of the Horn reports, which unearthed the third anonymous poster from the Justice Department. Dobinski, a veteran member of the Civil Rights division was tasked with ensuring the rights of a police officer - Bowen -- were not violated during the course of the federal investigation as he had given certain testimony in the state case that could not be used against him.

NPR reported that the judges ruling was heavily focused on her because she was supposed to be protecting the rights of the police officers and she was the most aggressive poster on NOLA -- a massive conflict of interest.
 
2013-09-18 10:08:42 AM  

OnlyM3: These men are heroes. The police told me so.
[www.upl.co image 610x420]

[www.upl.co image 485x364]

In before boot lickers claim isolated incident.


Thin blue line man.

If cops don't protect other cops even when they MURDER INNOCENT CIVILIANS then the entire civilization will crumble? Don't you understand? Cops are heroes and citizens are zero. It's us versus them.

So what if a few civilians get gunned down. Cops gotta protect cops right or wrong.

But there are only a few bad eggs. If by bad eggs you only include the ones that pulled the trigger and got caught. Of course there is no reason to count all the other piggies who help cover up criminal cops deeds everyday. They are just "getting each other's back".

Try to keep up. Don't make me send them over there to cop-splain it to you with batons.
 
2013-09-18 10:10:05 AM  
How about using a term that seems to be ignored here. It's straight up JURY TAMPERING!

It's not just so simple as posting comments on a website, it's anonymously posting information that is confidential and serves only to influence the pool of potential jurors. For a prosecuting agency, this is serious misconduct.

That being said, these officers are guilty as sin and it's unfortunate the tax payers will have to foot the bill for a new trial, but it's still the right thing to do. Precedence needs to be set so the next guy who really is 'not guilty' has the right to a new trial when this type of prosecutorial misconduct occurs.

/LEO
 
2013-09-18 10:11:01 AM  

Headso: this is probably good information to give your kids in this day and age, not necessarily that the police are evil but for sure absolutely do not trust the police and make sure to steer clear of them because they are erratic and have absolute power over you.


I agree. Don't teach them all cops are evil. Just teach them that "The cops are not your friends. You must not assume they are trying to help you. They are like dynamite; Unstable, dangerous, and should be dealt with carefully and as little as possible."

Sure, sometimes dynamite is the right tool for the job. But when you don't need it you want it as far fro you as possible.
 
2013-09-18 10:13:56 AM  
I heard this on NPR this morning but wasn't paying it much attention on the drive into work.  That is some terrible judging.
 
2013-09-18 10:14:15 AM  

doglover: Just kill the cops. Easy peasy. Frog march 'em to a noose, ask them to put it on, two to the head if the don't.


I'd take two to the head any day. Beats swinging on the rope. Plus it's a bigger mess for them to clean up. Plus there's a chance the bullet goes through and hits someone else. Won't they look stupid then?
 
2013-09-18 10:16:23 AM  

fireclown: skozlaw: Uh... that's not exactly a "put the staple on the wrong side of the stack" type technical error, that's pretty brazen and willful misconduct.

Yeah.  Someone THAT dumb would almost have to be TRYING to force a retrial.


Absolutely.    An attorney working for Eric Holder/Thomas Perez in the Washington, DC Civil Rights Division of the DOJ is clearly going to intentionally commit willful prosecutorial misconduct and possible perjury that could well cost them their ability to ever serve as a prosecutor again if not lose their law license entirely in an effort to get NOLA cops off the hook.

You need more tinfoil.  The signals from your TV are seeping through.

No, what they were doing was at best being very, very stupid.  At worst, they were attempting to influence the outcome of the trial by disparaging the defendants and defendant's counsel through social media.
 
2013-09-18 10:19:09 AM  

OnlyM3: liam76
2013-09-18 09:31:29 AM


OnlyM3: In before boot lickers claim isolated incident

How about isolated to police depts?
A fair try, but that crowd you see in those photos consists of members of multiple departments from neighboring city cops, to sheriff deputies.


Yeah, I was saying it was isolated to police depts, as in it is seen in moste police depts and not seen out of police depts.


Cup Check: How about using a term that seems to be ignored here. It's straight up JURY TAMPERING!

It's not just so simple as posting comments on a website, it's anonymously posting information that is confidential and serves only to influence the pool of potential jurors. For a prosecuting agency, this is serious misconduct.



Did they release anything confidential? I thought they hadn't and could be wrong.

As i said above if bad PR can sway the jury than every high profile case shoudl be tossed.
 
2013-09-18 10:27:53 AM  
Almost makes you wonder if the prosecutors weren't doing it on purpose to get the verdict thrown out.
 
2013-09-18 10:33:04 AM  

buttcat: So, just like that? Cops convicted of murder and covering up their crimes, even with overwhelming evidence, and it's all flushed down the toilet because of some Internet comments?

This is why I teach my kids that law enforcement is a darkness and never to trust the police.


No, just like that they get tried again for the same crimes.
Same witnesses, same evidence, just more professional (hopefully) prosecutors.
 
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