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(News9 Oklahoma)   Not news: County officials train with new sonar device. News: And find a sunken car with three bodies inside. Fark: Next to another sunken car with three bodies inside. Ultrafark: Both are cold case disappearances that happened ten years apart   (news9.com) divider line 114
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2013-09-18 11:17:07 AM  

Gyrfalcon: TheShavingofOccam123: Gyrfalcon: mjjt: Bit surprised that 3 sets of parents of teenagers didn't try harder to figure out where their kids had gone?

You'd think that if they'd gone off the road there would have been some marks, or if they went down the boat ramp that it would be an obvious place to start looking.

Not necessarily, at least not that you might notice. Search methods weren't quite as sophisticated in the 70's and especially the 60's as they are today.

Also--and being from a similar rural area in about the same time frame--the first thing cops used to think of when a carload of kids in their teens went missing was not "They are probably dead in a lake, we better look there." It was "They probably ran away from home, we better check the nearest big city." Especially the ones in the 70's, they probably figured they ran off to be hippies or something.

So while nowadays the lake is an obvious place to look, in the 70's, not so much. People didn't think of kids being dead as much back then.

When the Kingsbury Run Torso Killer was killing people in Cleveland, the authorities found a body on a train between Cleveland and New Castle. So they started dragging the lakes around the tracks. Found plenty of bodies not of which were related to the Torso killings. It must have been a Mafia body dump.

Which is interesting, but has exactly nothing to do with anything under discussion.


Well, actually it does. People didn't assume that the Torso killer even existed until he became so brazen as to leave heads in paint cans in the middle of Cleveland. Then people assumed that it would be a small chance of finding one of his victims in lakes outside of Cleveland only to find there were other murderers leaving bodies strewn around.

Much like what the Tate-LaBianca murders did to California, crimes like these tend to alter the baseline expectations of the general populace. Just as you pointed out the change in police assumptions about missing teens at the time these teens disappeared versus current expectations.
 
2013-09-18 11:23:17 AM  

Anthracite: How deep is that lake? I can't see where going into the water at the edge of a boat ramp would render them invisible.


Getting a hundred mile an hour had start would.
 
2013-09-18 11:48:41 AM  

TheGogmagog: Greek: TheMega: WTH did the cops do to that poor Camaro?!? Mistake it for a bomb and decide to detonate the ass-end of it?!?
Be careful with that shiat! SOME people might have liked to have picked it over for parts!

Oh yeah, RIP dead people.

#1. There's nothing useable on a car that has sat at the bottom of a lake for over 40 years.
#2. The Camaro looks like something big and fast rear- ended it. In my line of work, I see lots of cars that were hit, some of them HARD. (so you don't know what you're talking about) My guess: there's a highway next to the lake. They were on that highway, perhaps slowing down to turn somewhere, and a semi rear- ended them, sending them into the lake. The semi driver decided to just leave. Semis can do that much damage to a car, and have little more than a bent bumper.

or how about a second car plowed into the lake behind them 10 years later?

/ok, probably not that much momentum after hitting the water.


That, and the camaro WAS the second car.

Oh, and I realize the " you don't know what you're talking about" thing could be taken the wrong way. It is a reference to the " getting a kick" meme.
 
2013-09-18 01:17:19 PM  
Dead teenagers in a lake?

i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-18 01:19:55 PM  
Late to the thread, but I remember when NY drained the reservoir across from Dad's house. Apparently close to 100 crimes were linked dating back to the 1940's with the weapons found. Too shallow for cars. Apparently a "family" had a hunting lodge right by the area for years.

We have two "residential" area very deep water that at one time were lannon stone pits that were filled with water. I really would like to see a dive in both to recover items.

tl;dr
And a final story with Police and new equipment. Dad was once stopped by the Wellsley MA police department testing out their new radar system for going 1/2 mile over the speed limit. He just happened to be a mucky at a major DOD contractor at the time, providing equipment to the DEW line. In a show of support, 40 of the engineers that lived nearby showed up late at work to give testimony at traffic court in his defense (he did offer them a chance to sleep in late and promised lunch at the company cafe on him to keep the joke going). Turns out the judge was a friend from years ago in HS, Dad had planned this as a joke on the judge, who was laughing so hard after the tenth engineer was introduced that he dismissed the case, asked to police to only give tickets for a "reasonable" amount over the speed limit and they got together afterwards to "catch up".
 
2013-09-18 01:20:07 PM  
I TOLD you we should have found a deeper lake.
 
2013-09-18 01:28:43 PM  
The Bay Harbor Butcher says "AGAIN?!"
 
2013-09-18 02:36:53 PM  

TheCharmerUnderMe:

* Camero

DIAF Autocorrect



I see what you did their.

 
2013-09-18 03:55:24 PM  
a1.vsoh.com

WHO YELLED CUT?!?!?!?
 
2013-09-18 04:11:21 PM  
"Speculation centered on the Camaro as the vehicle in which three local high school students were riding when they disappeared in 1970."

25.media.tumblr.com

/wanted for questioning.
 
2013-09-18 08:00:36 PM  
There could have been some kind of monster, pagan god or Native American demon in that lake, and the people nearby were required to sacrifice a few young people every now and then so the Bad Thing won't come out of the water and do worse things to them. And maybe it was even better when the victims volunteered, knowingly or not, which could explain the layout of the boat ramp there. And maybe the nearby people were hypnotized or mindfarked somehow so they forgot all about the Evil Critter and the "lost" victims, except when the time for the Sacrifice came they'd snap into a state of mind where they do what's necessary like programmed robots: say the kids have driven drunk around there many times and never went off the ramp or even got their tires wet, but one particular night while they're all staring straight ahead they drive right off the ramp into the lake and drown. And the locals, being mind-controlled too, forget those young people had ever existed, and their photos would vanish and their bedrooms magically become sewing rooms, "man caves" or home offices for Mom's bookkeeping sideline or whatever, and it would seem like it was always like that. If they shared a room with a sibling, say in a bunkbed, presto chango the surviving kid was "always" an only child. Of course it's significant that only bones were found.

And if I ever come across a story like this published somewhere you'd better settle out of court.
 
2013-09-18 09:21:57 PM  

The One True TheDavid: There could have been some kind of monster, pagan god or Native American demon in that lake, and the people nearby were required to sacrifice a few young people every now and then so the Bad Thing won't come out of the water and do worse things to them. And maybe it was even better when the victims volunteered, knowingly or not, which could explain the layout of the boat ramp there. And maybe the nearby people were hypnotized or mindfarked somehow so they forgot all about the Evil Critter and the "lost" victims, except when the time for the Sacrifice came they'd snap into a state of mind where they do what's necessary like programmed robots: say the kids have driven drunk around there many times and never went off the ramp or even got their tires wet, but one particular night while they're all staring straight ahead they drive right off the ramp into the lake and drown. And the locals, being mind-controlled too, forget those young people had ever existed, and their photos would vanish and their bedrooms magically become sewing rooms, "man caves" or home offices for Mom's bookkeeping sideline or whatever, and it would seem like it was always like that. If they shared a room with a sibling, say in a bunkbed, presto chango the surviving kid was "always" an only child. Of course it's significant that only bones were found.

And if I ever come across a story like this published somewhere you'd better settle out of court.


So that's your outline? Have you thought of a title?
 
2013-09-18 10:23:48 PM  
The broken up aspect of both cars could be explained by at minimum 40 years of freeze-thaw cycle. After diving wrecks in the Great Lakes, I have seen ships get reduced to nearly up recognizable lumps. Also, could they have been driving on ice? Great way to die in the Midwest, so...
 
2013-09-18 11:59:57 PM  
I just saw this on CNN. The cars had deteriorated so much that the investigators could pull them apart with their hands.
 
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