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(The Atlantic Wire)   "The next mass shooting will take place on Feb. 12, 2014, in Spokane, Washington, by an emotionally disturbed, 38-year-old white man who will kill 7 people and wound 6 where he used to work using a semi-auto handgun he purchased legally in-state"   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 206
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2013-09-17 08:30:03 PM  
Fail. You're not going to have to wait that long
 
2013-09-17 08:36:06 PM  
Well, if you lived in Spokane, what else is there to do?   At least on the other side of the mountains, you can write software to make far more people suffer?
 
2013-09-17 09:13:52 PM  
That whole week isn't going to work for me, I have a circumcision thread and an abortion thread going on and I'm expecting a sudden death in the family. Can we either push it back a week or move it up a few days?
 
2013-09-17 09:16:35 PM  

Barfmaker: That whole week isn't going to work for me, I have a circumcision thread and an abortion thread going on and I'm expecting a sudden death in the family. Can we either push it back a week or move it up a few days?


Why be so passive? Take matters into your own hands.
 
2013-09-17 09:29:08 PM  
So are we starting a pool or...?
 
2013-09-17 09:30:39 PM  

And that whiter man will hate these cans!


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2013-09-17 09:33:21 PM  
You'd only be able to predict something like that if you were the shooter or you had information about the government's conspiracy to fan the flames of anti-gun sentiment and fear.
 
2013-09-17 09:34:05 PM  
What's the over/under?
 
2013-09-17 09:34:53 PM  
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2013-09-17 09:35:32 PM  
Sponge?
 
2013-09-17 09:35:46 PM  
There will be another shooting when MK Ultra says there will be.
 
2013-09-17 09:36:02 PM  
"The next mass shooting will take place on Feb. 12, 2014, in Spokane, Washington, by an emotionally disturbed, 38-year-old white man who will kill 7 people and wound 6 where he used to work using a semi-auto handgun he purchased legally in-state......" ~Liberal Media

to which it added after a few-second pause:

"Pleaseohpleaseohpleasewehopewehopewehope pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze don't let it be another person of color or mooslim and don't let it be a gun that was illegally obtained in a city with strict gun laws!! Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze! "
 
2013-09-17 09:36:34 PM  
Five months?

Since America can barely go a week without a mass shooting, workplace shooting, school shooting, mall shooting or other random mass violence from gun-toting retards, crazies and fanatics I think it's safe to say there will be a mass shooting much sooner than five months from now.
 
2013-09-17 09:37:09 PM  
Hahahahahahah I will still be 33 on Feb 12. Lol you got the age so wrong.
 
2013-09-17 09:39:08 PM  
that was actually kindof a cool article, something different.
 
2013-09-17 09:39:49 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: You'd only be able to predict something like that if you were the shooter or you had information about the government's conspiracy to fan the flames of anti-gun sentiment and fear.


Or be cheap and average every single piece of data you can... because science... which is exactly what they did.

People don't actually understand how this math thing works.
 
2013-09-17 09:40:11 PM  
Let's further stigmatize the emotionally fragile loner white guys that already struggle to build a decent support group so they feel more isolated and less attached to the people around them.  Brilliant.
 
2013-09-17 09:40:34 PM  
Nope.

In three weeks, I'll be shooting up my workplace with a double-barreled shotgun and a pair of cap and ball LeMat revolvers.
 
2013-09-17 09:41:29 PM  
not unless there's a good guy with a gun in Spokane because we all know the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun
 
2013-09-17 09:43:26 PM  
The vast majority of guns used in mass killings were obtained legally - 81.8 percent. Advocates of gun control will note that this bolsters the case for tighter restrictions, particularly given the overlap between those with mental health issues and those able to buy guns.  Opponents of gun control will note that nearly a fifth of shootings used illegally obtained guns, suggesting that new controls won't prevent such shootings.
 

Well, except possibly four out of five.
 
2013-09-17 09:44:47 PM  

yourmomlovestetris: "The next mass shooting will take place on Feb. 12, 2014, in Spokane, Washington, by an emotionally disturbed, 38-year-old white man who will kill 7 people and wound 6 where he used to work using a semi-auto handgun he purchased legally in-state......" ~Liberal Media

to which it added after a few-second pause:

"Pleaseohpleaseohpleasewehopewehopewehope pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze don't let it be another person of color or mooslim and don't let it be a gun that was illegally obtained in a city with strict gun laws!! Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze! "


You sound white, and 38. And to be honest a little emotionally disturbed.
 
2013-09-17 09:45:26 PM  
Nah, Syria will need a distraction long before then
 
2013-09-17 09:45:42 PM  

Barfmaker: That whole week isn't going to work for me, I have a circumcision thread and an abortion thread going on and I'm expecting a sudden death in the family. Can we either push it back a week or move it up a few days?


If you live in Spokane I suppose you could move it up easily enough.
 
2013-09-17 09:45:50 PM  
I'm pretty sure the next mass shooting will take place October 1st once someone has to sign up for healthcare on a state exchange and realizes how much of a clusterfark it is
 
2013-09-17 09:45:52 PM  
Really? I had plans for that day.
 
2013-09-17 09:46:43 PM  
Well damn, arrest the guy already.
 
2013-09-17 09:47:08 PM  
I see several people here desire a visit from the Feds. I don't. Which is why my plans remain secret.

/actually, they remain secret because they involve a can of spaghettios, a handful of Kleenex and a photo of your mom
//at least for tonight
///tomorrow my plans expand to include a rubber chicken
 
2013-09-17 09:47:29 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: You'd only be able to predict something like that if you were the shooter or you had information about the government's conspiracy to fan the flames of anti-gun sentiment and fear.


do you doubt that there will be another mass shooting, or do you doubt that the government isn't behind them all?
 
2013-09-17 09:48:00 PM  

Creoena: I'm pretty sure the next mass shooting will take place October 1st once someone has to sign up for healthcare on a state exchange and realizes how much of a clusterfark it is


Nope. October 31, a kid in a costume, not enough candy, and a semi-auto.
 
2013-09-17 09:48:21 PM  
Okay, if you're so psychic, what's the killer doing right now?

somecamerunning.typepad.com

"He is preparing a great abundance of food."
 
2013-09-17 09:48:27 PM  

jcooli09: AverageAmericanGuy: You'd only be able to predict something like that if you were the shooter or you had information about the government's conspiracy to fan the flames of anti-gun sentiment and fear.

do you doubt that there will be another mass shooting, or do you doubt that the government isn't behind them all?


I'm only commenting to the specificity of the prediction.
 
2013-09-17 09:49:48 PM  
I don't usually trust the BCS computers. I'll wait to see what the AP poll thinks.
 
2013-09-17 09:50:10 PM  
The next child shooting will take place on September 20th, 2013, in Chicago, Illinois, by a drug-dealing teenaged black male in a neighborhood near his home using a semi-automatic handgun he purchased illegally.
 
2013-09-17 09:52:03 PM  
Btw I am from Alabama. Anyone know what type of waiting period I will be dealing with in Washington. I mean should I get an extend stay hotel or is the Holiday Inn okay?
 
2013-09-17 09:52:39 PM  
Nearly two-thirds of the 67 incidents - 65.7 percent - were at the hands of a white person. Only one was committed by a female. It is indisputable: white men are most likely to commit such acts, though not exclusively.

This is a misunderstanding of the statistics.  Men are most likely to commit such acts, white people aren't.  2/3 of the shootings were by white people, but 2/3 of the country is white.  Saying that white people are most likely to commit mass shootings is like saying that white people are most likely to breathe and eat food.  It's most likely that a mass shooter will turn out to be white, but white people are no more likely to commit mass shootings than those of other races.  There are just more of them.
 
2013-09-17 09:53:35 PM  

Creoena: I'm pretty sure the next mass shooting will take place October 1st once someone has to sign up for healthcare on a state exchange and realizes how much of a clusterfark it is


Lucky, my state doesn't even have one of those exchanges.

If the next mass shooting is 5 months from now, that would be a farking miracle!
 
2013-09-17 09:54:13 PM  
"The next mass shooting - which will happen somewhere, sometime - will almost certainly not be in that place at that time."

They are sooo close to inventing the Improbability Drive!
 
2013-09-17 09:55:08 PM  

simplicimus: Well, if you lived in Spokane, what else is there to do?   At least on the other side of the mountains, you can write software to make far more people suffer?


Given that pot is legal there now, I'd have to provide an answer to your first question that also makes the headline rather unlikely.
 
2013-09-17 09:55:35 PM  
I am going for the long shot here and am going to guess it will be a 78 year old Hispanic woman dual wielding 7- shot S&W 686+ revolvers. She will kill 13, wound 7, reloading twice.
 
2013-09-17 09:55:46 PM  

CygnusDarius: Really? I had plans for that day.


Damn it.
25.media.tumblr.com
Me too.

/like it will stop me.
 
2013-09-17 09:55:46 PM  
It depends on what you're calling a mass shooting. If you use the standard of "four or more people injured or killed by gunshots in one event," it'll happen about 25 hours after the last one. So we're already overdue, although quite possibly one has happened that hasn't been widely reported on.

Source. (247 mass shootings in 2013, 260 days elapsed through today)

If you mean the kind of mass shooting that CNN secretly fantasizes about, then yeah, February is probably about right.
 
2013-09-17 09:55:47 PM  

VegetableManWhereAreYou: not unless there's a good guy with a gun in Spokane because we all know the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun


Well, to be fair, the shooter will be a good guy with a gun right up until the moment that that first round finds its target.
 
2013-09-17 09:58:00 PM  

RatMaster999: Nope.

In three weeks, I'll be shooting up my workplace with a double-barreled shotgun and a pair of cap and ball LeMat revolvers.


Oh yeah?  In two weeks I'm going to be shooting up MY workplace with the gastrointestinal effects of eating Chinese that is loaded with those friggin' purple peppers, after a night of heavy drinking.

Your guns only make holes in things.  What I'm bringing is much worse.
 
2013-09-17 09:58:07 PM  
Oh, full disclosure: white male, but I don't live in the Pacific Northwest, and I don't turn 38 until March. Whew!

/srsly
//as for "emotionally disturbed"... eh, that's a judgment call
 
2013-09-17 09:58:25 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Five months?

Since America can barely go a week without a mass shooting, workplace shooting, school shooting, mall shooting or other random mass violence from gun-toting retards, crazies and fanatics I think it's safe to say there will be a mass shooting much sooner than five months from now.


Agreed, on the edge crazies are always emboldened to copy cat this sort of thing. I give it 60days.
 
2013-09-17 09:58:33 PM  
What's with all this "gun free zone" crap everyone keeps spouting? This last one just had the guy shoot a security guard and took his gun. Why is there this belief that the shooters target "gun free zones"? I don't see the pattern to support that assertion.
 
2013-09-17 09:58:38 PM  

Barfmaker: That whole week isn't going to work for me, I have a circumcision thread and an abortion thread going on and I'm expecting a sudden death in the family. Can we either push it back a week or move it up a few days?


Ironically, it's the confluence of those events that will spark your murderous rage. Enjoy!
 
2013-09-17 09:58:38 PM  
I'm hoping for a shooter that has hit shiat together and takes out a hundred or so assholes such as lawyers.  A full takedown of an entire scumbag law firm.  That would be fun.
 
2013-09-17 09:59:35 PM  

semiotix: It depends on what you're calling a mass shooting. If you use the standard of "four or more people injured or killed by gunshots in one event," it'll happen about 25 hours after the last one. So we're already overdue, although quite possibly one has happened that hasn't been widely reported on.

Source. (247 mass shootings in 2013, 260 days elapsed through today)

If you mean the kind of mass shooting that CNN secretly fantasizes about, then yeah, February is probably about right.


Can the shooter wait a few more weeks? Because the Sochi Winter Olympics are going on during that time and that thing will most likely suck up the news cycle if it turns out to be the clusterfark it's setting itself up to be.
 
2013-09-17 10:00:50 PM  

TotallyHeadless: What's with all this "gun free zone" crap everyone keeps spouting? This last one just had the guy shoot a security guard and took his gun. Why is there this belief that the shooters target "gun free zones"? I don't see the pattern to support that assertion.


They're morons?

From what I heard, anyone in the Navy Yard could carry a gun so hopefully that retarded assumption is disproven and put to rest.

/Doubtful though
 
2013-09-17 10:00:51 PM  
Can we find a way to ban psychos on mind altering drugs from buying  guns, while not punishing the tens of millions of gun buyers who are not hearing voices?

There has to be a way.  This would fix the headlines.

Failing that, let's put criminals in jail for a long time when they use guns, which fixes the bulk of the problem but not the headlines.
 
2013-09-17 10:01:02 PM  
We must euthanize any man that will be 38 in 2014.
 
2013-09-17 10:01:25 PM  

semiotix: It depends on what you're calling a mass shooting. If you use the standard of "four or more people injured or killed by gunshots in one event," it'll happen about 25 hours after the last one. So we're already overdue, although quite possibly one has happened that hasn't been widely reported on.

Source. (247 mass shootings in 2013, 260 days elapsed through today)

If you mean the kind of mass shooting that CNN secretly fantasizes about, then yeah, February is probably about right.


Well, we have had two three fatality shootings in the Metro Atlanta area in the last 72 hours.
 
2013-09-17 10:01:27 PM  
FTA:

"White man

"Looking at the past 30-plus years of spree- and mass-shootings, this is the easiest trend to spot. Nearly two-thirds of the 67 incidents -  65.7 percent - were at the hands of a white person."


Well, considering that over most of the the past 30 years, whites have made up more than 65.7% of the population, I'd say that "whites" are not doing their fair share of the mass shootings.

Tighten up, you white SLACKERS!
 
2013-09-17 10:04:28 PM  

Amos Quito: FTA:

"White man

"Looking at the past 30-plus years of spree- and mass-shootings, this is the easiest trend to spot. Nearly two-thirds of the 67 incidents -  65.7 percent - were at the hands of a white person."


Well, considering that over most of the the past 30 years, whites have made up more than 65.7% of the population, I'd say that "whites" are not doing their fair share of the mass shootings.

Tighten up, you white SLACKERS!


Something something illegals doing the work that citizens won't do, something.

Crap, it's so stupid that I can't even snark it.
 
2013-09-17 10:04:29 PM  
Colonel Mustard in Spokane with the gun  for the win!
 
2013-09-17 10:05:30 PM  
That'll be the eighth anniversary of the day I kicked The Girl out of the house. I'm sure there will be better ways to celebrate.
 
2013-09-17 10:06:59 PM  
Can we at least freshen this up? Representative opens fire during legislative session?
 
2013-09-17 10:07:34 PM  
OK white folks, you have your orders, you are supposed to be the evil doers.
 
2013-09-17 10:07:41 PM  
The vast majority of guns used in mass killings were obtained legally - 81.8 percent. Advocates of gun control will note that this bolsters the case for tighter restrictions, particularly given the overlap between those with mental health issues and those able to buy guns. Opponents of gun control will note that nearly a fifth of shootings used illegally obtained guns, suggesting that new controls won't prevent such shootings.

So the argument against gun control is that we can't prevent 20% of these mass killings, so we shouldn't try to prevent the other 80%.

Now, if after such laws were passed, the percentages were flipped, but the amount the same, I would agree with them.  But if the number of illegal mass killings stayed the same while the number of legal mass killings dropped, then that would be a sign that gun control works.  But of course we'll never know, 'cuz OBAMMER GUN TAKE ARE GUNZZZZ!
 
2013-09-17 10:09:13 PM  
It's too early for divorced white male rage, that's a holidays thing. And way too early for a failed graduate student rage - that's more of a spring summer thing. I think we are entering the murderous Texas High School Cheerleader mom season which precedes homecoming/prom. Chicago gang style hits run 365 except that it slacks off a bit in the winter as the weather puts a chill on cruising.

/approximately.
 
2013-09-17 10:10:57 PM  
So will that be the first official Seldon Crisis?
 
2013-09-17 10:11:30 PM  
Aww SOB and i thought my planning was going so good...well I guess I still got it covered that I'm in Texas, So I have that going still...
 
2013-09-17 10:12:16 PM  

semiotix: It depends on what you're calling a mass shooting. If you use the standard of "four or more people injured or killed by gunshots in one event," it'll happen about 25 hours after the last one. So we're already overdue, although quite possibly one has happened that hasn't been widely reported on.

Source. (247 mass shootings in 2013, 260 days elapsed through today)

If you mean the kind of mass shooting that CNN secretly fantasizes about, then yeah, February is probably about right.


Thanks for the source link there.  Funny how online conservatives wail about Chicago, yet there are many, many other places listed there that are nowhere near Chicago.
 
2013-09-17 10:14:00 PM  

simplicimus: Can we at least freshen this up? Representative opens fire during legislative session?


It's been done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DKV-fGjLU0
 
2013-09-17 10:14:19 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: You'd only be able to predict something like that if you were the shooter or you had information about the government's conspiracy to fan the flames of anti-gun sentiment and fear.




No need for a conspiracy, just wager on government incompetence.

To predict the next shooting we first need a list of single people who've been failed by the system and happen to take certain medications. Double points if they've got a record for violence and recently suffered some form of economic misfortune.

Second we need to understand that, while Government proposes it can control guns, there is never a "we should have done our farking job" follow up. One that covers all of the missed signs and failures to report obvious problems.
This isn't a gun control or background check problem, its a failure to document so existing checks and balances can work.

Where the trend of poor paperwork meets a hard luck story, your likely to find your future suspects.
 
2013-09-17 10:15:38 PM  
I think it's too early to be too early to discuss gun control.
 
2013-09-17 10:15:59 PM  

way south: AverageAmericanGuy: You'd only be able to predict something like that if you were the shooter or you had information about the government's conspiracy to fan the flames of anti-gun sentiment and fear.

No need for a conspiracy, just wager on government incompetence.

To predict the next shooting we first need a list of single people who've been failed by the system and happen to take certain medications. Double points if they've got a record for violence and recently suffered some form of economic misfortune.

Second we need to understand that, while Government proposes it can control guns, there is never a "we should have done our farking job" follow up. One that covers all of the missed signs and failures to report obvious problems.
This isn't a gun control or background check problem, its a failure to document so existing checks and balances can work.

Where the trend of poor paperwork meets a hard luck story, your likely to find your future suspects.


This must be why I have you farkied as "Government Counterintelligence Plant"...
 
2013-09-17 10:17:24 PM  
And according to his voting history, he voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012.
 
2013-09-17 10:19:34 PM  

Caller Number 5: So will that be the first official Seldon Crisis?


Perhaps, but Hari is unavailable for comment.
 
2013-09-17 10:19:38 PM  

IlGreven: So the argument against gun control is that we can't prevent 20% of these mass killings, so we shouldn't try to prevent the other 80%.


The argument is that we should look at the causes not the tools.

In practically all if not all of the mass shootings in the last 20+ years the shooter has been using a government approved product of the pharmaceutical industry which has known side effects that include violent behavior. But big pharma and the medical cartel that puts people on these drugs is untouchable and damn near unmentionable.

Why isn't this common thread addressed? These are mind altering substances made by insider companies approved by a government agency. They are big money makers. It does not serve those in government to address it. But taking away weapons from the population? That's what all rulers would like to do.
 
2013-09-17 10:21:25 PM  
Sure and this is the first attack on a military base right CNN?
 
2013-09-17 10:26:09 PM  
Have diane feinstein and piers moran blamed it on an ar15 yet?
 
2013-09-17 10:26:10 PM  

BadReligion: I am going for the long shot here and am going to guess it will be a 78 year old Hispanic woman dual wielding 7- shot S&W 686+ revolvers. She will kill 13, wound 7, reloading twice.


you know, if it actually happens this way you're going to get a knock on your door.
 
2013-09-17 10:26:13 PM  

way south: No need for a conspiracy, just wager on government incompetence.


Ever notice that government incompetence results in rewarding government with more money and power?
 
2013-09-17 10:26:43 PM  
Can we instead put criminals who use guns in jail for, say, 5 years mandatory?  Just to see how keeping the bad guys out of society helps things?  Just a thought...  (google Project Exile please).
 
2013-09-17 10:27:36 PM  

VegetableManWhereAreYou
2013-09-17 09:41:29 PM


not unless there's a good guy with a gun in Spokane because we all know the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun

It's a shame the mods delete lists where that's exactly how criminals were stopped.


But hey when you ban the opposing side from speaking it's easier to win the debate, so troll on skippy.
 
2013-09-17 10:28:01 PM  

OnlyM3: Have diane feinstein and piers moran blamed it on an ar15 yet?


The ar15 shotgun.
http://minx.cc/?post=343456
 
2013-09-17 10:31:09 PM  
I thought we were all supposed to fire our shotguns off in the air according to Sheriff Joe Biden?
 
2013-09-17 10:32:14 PM  
When the mods don't like the current news they find news on hypothetical crackers with hypothetical guns doing hypothetical things.
 
2013-09-17 10:32:39 PM  

TotallyHeadless: What's with all this "gun free zone" crap everyone keeps spouting? This last one just had the guy shoot a security guard and took his gun. Why is there this belief that the shooters target "gun free zones"? I don't see the pattern to support that assertion.


Because in gun-free zones, the common, law-abiding person is unable to defend himself, instead relying on hired, sometimes incompetent, security if it exists at all.  Schools, theaters, military offices are all "gun free zones" and have been the recent locations of mass casualty shootings.
 
2013-09-17 10:33:12 PM  

Mrtraveler01: simplicimus: Can we at least freshen this up? Representative opens fire during legislative session?

It's been done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DKV-fGjLU0


I want to see it IRL on CSPAN.
 
2013-09-17 10:34:02 PM  

SithLord: TotallyHeadless: What's with all this "gun free zone" crap everyone keeps spouting? This last one just had the guy shoot a security guard and took his gun. Why is there this belief that the shooters target "gun free zones"? I don't see the pattern to support that assertion.

Because in gun-free zones, the common, law-abiding person is unable to defend himself, instead relying on hired, sometimes incompetent, security if it exists at all.  Schools, theaters, military offices are all "gun free zones" and have been the recent locations of mass casualty shootings.


So how come the Navy Yard shooting didn't happen in one of these "gun free zones"?
 
2013-09-17 10:34:15 PM  
Editor: Okay...so...we have really zero to report about this mass shooting because...well...it really caught everyone by surprise. I mean, who the fark thought it would be some actually insane black dude that stole weapons to kill? WTF do we do?
Staffer: Hypothetical?
Editor: Hypothetical.
 
2013-09-17 10:35:00 PM  
Oh, great, my birthday. Thanks for killing the mood, Spokane area man.
 
2013-09-17 10:36:03 PM  

leadmetal: The argument is that we should look at the causes, not the tools.


Who will watch FOX News then?
 
2013-09-17 10:36:45 PM  

Mrtraveler01: SithLord: TotallyHeadless: What's with all this "gun free zone" crap everyone keeps spouting? This last one just had the guy shoot a security guard and took his gun. Why is there this belief that the shooters target "gun free zones"? I don't see the pattern to support that assertion.

Because in gun-free zones, the common, law-abiding person is unable to defend himself, instead relying on hired, sometimes incompetent, security if it exists at all.  Schools, theaters, military offices are all "gun free zones" and have been the recent locations of mass casualty shootings.

So how come the Navy Yard shooting didn't happen in one of these "gun free zones"?


Because he grabbed the guns of the only people the government allows to have guns at the location?
 
2013-09-17 10:37:48 PM  

JonnyBGoode: [img.gawkerassets.com image 740x500]


*golf clap*

/Thread ovar!
 
2013-09-17 10:38:46 PM  

Mrtraveler01: TotallyHeadless: What's with all this "gun free zone" crap everyone keeps spouting? This last one just had the guy shoot a security guard and took his gun. Why is there this belief that the shooters target "gun free zones"? I don't see the pattern to support that assertion.

They're morons?

From what I heard, anyone in the Navy Yard could carry a gun so hopefully that retarded assumption is disproven and put to rest.

/Doubtful though


It seems almost everywhere you go is a gun free zone. This and people freak out if someone is open carrying because the public is pretty ignorant about laws, so we don't bother.  If they see a compent civilian carrying they freak out, but if they see an armed cop (who may be half nuts or an inbred halfwit), no big deal.

I had thought it kind of silly that some follks have taken to wearing empty holsters in gun free zones, but really, maybe it would make more of the public understand that there are many, many gun owners out there that aren't shooting up schools and workplaces.

Gun free zones are a joke though.  It makes those who want to carry discretely subject to getting fired if discovered.  Does nothing to stop some asshole from shooting everyone he encounters.
 
2013-09-17 10:39:02 PM  

ole prophet: Mrtraveler01: SithLord: TotallyHeadless: What's with all this "gun free zone" crap everyone keeps spouting? This last one just had the guy shoot a security guard and took his gun. Why is there this belief that the shooters target "gun free zones"? I don't see the pattern to support that assertion.

Because in gun-free zones, the common, law-abiding person is unable to defend himself, instead relying on hired, sometimes incompetent, security if it exists at all.  Schools, theaters, military offices are all "gun free zones" and have been the recent locations of mass casualty shootings.

So how come the Navy Yard shooting didn't happen in one of these "gun free zones"?

Because he grabbed the guns of the only people the government allows to have guns at the location?


It was DC wasn't it?  You can't have a shell casing there legally.
 
2013-09-17 10:40:13 PM  

FarkingReading: I see several people here desire a visit from the Feds. I don't. Which is why my plans remain secret.

/actually, they remain secret because they involve a can of spaghettios, a handful of Kleenex and a photo of your mom
//at least for tonight
///tomorrow my plans expand to include a rubber chicken


rubber chickens do not lke spaghettios
 
2013-09-17 10:42:15 PM  
Heh. Blogging must be taking its toll these days..
 
2013-09-17 10:42:35 PM  

ole prophet: Mrtraveler01: SithLord: TotallyHeadless: What's with all this "gun free zone" crap everyone keeps spouting? This last one just had the guy shoot a security guard and took his gun. Why is there this belief that the shooters target "gun free zones"? I don't see the pattern to support that assertion.

Because in gun-free zones, the common, law-abiding person is unable to defend himself, instead relying on hired, sometimes incompetent, security if it exists at all.  Schools, theaters, military offices are all "gun free zones" and have been the recent locations of mass casualty shootings.

So how come the Navy Yard shooting didn't happen in one of these "gun free zones"?

Because he grabbed the guns of the only people the government allows to have guns at the location?


Isn't this the exact same thing the NRA wanted to do with our schools to prevent shootings there?
 
2013-09-17 10:44:38 PM  
well I didn't plan on having a murderous psychotic break from reality, but I really want to help skew their data set.
 
2013-09-17 10:45:30 PM  
It really boggles my mind and/or offends me that my repeated suggestions that we put criminals who use guns in jail for 5 years minimum, typically get NO responses.

Supporters, please comment.  Detractors, please think, and if you have a coherent point, please comment.

I would really love to see a judicial system where criminals who are convicted of crimes, and who used a gun in said crime, would spend 5 years minimum in jail, mandatory.  I'd be interested in ANYONE who can tell me that this proposal would not benefit society.
 
2013-09-17 10:47:29 PM  
images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-09-17 10:47:55 PM  
Man the chicken firkin gun grabbers are really reaching.

Have you people sought help?

Oh, that's right this is FARK.

DIAF BIH GR DIAF.
 
2013-09-17 10:48:51 PM  

Mrtraveler01: ole prophet: Mrtraveler01: SithLord: TotallyHeadless: What's with all this "gun free zone" crap everyone keeps spouting? This last one just had the guy shoot a security guard and took his gun. Why is there this belief that the shooters target "gun free zones"? I don't see the pattern to support that assertion.

Because in gun-free zones, the common, law-abiding person is unable to defend himself, instead relying on hired, sometimes incompetent, security if it exists at all.  Schools, theaters, military offices are all "gun free zones" and have been the recent locations of mass casualty shootings.

So how come the Navy Yard shooting didn't happen in one of these "gun free zones"?

Because he grabbed the guns of the only people the government allows to have guns at the location?

Isn't this the exact same thing the NRA wanted to do with our schools to prevent shootings there?


Nice sock puppet work.  Neither statement makes sense so I assume the bud is good at the DNC headquarters.
 
2013-09-17 10:50:16 PM  

djh0101010: It really boggles my mind and/or offends me that my repeated suggestions that we put criminals who use guns in jail for 5 years minimum, typically get NO responses.

Supporters, please comment.  Detractors, please think, and if you have a coherent point, please comment.

I would really love to see a judicial system where criminals who are convicted of crimes, and who used a gun in said crime, would spend 5 years minimum in jail, mandatory.  I'd be interested in ANYONE who can tell me that this proposal would not benefit society.


I'm ok with that.  Make it 20.
 
2013-09-17 10:50:57 PM  

djh0101010: It really boggles my mind and/or offends me that my repeated suggestions that we put criminals who use guns in jail for 5 years minimum, typically get NO responses.

Supporters, please comment.  Detractors, please think, and if you have a coherent point, please comment.

I would really love to see a judicial system where criminals who are convicted of crimes, and who used a gun in said crime, would spend 5 years minimum in jail, mandatory.  I'd be interested in ANYONE who can tell me that this proposal would not benefit society.


Mandatory minimums take power from judges and jury to decide what punishment fits the crime and puts in in the hands of the legislative branch. I don't like congress making one fits all solutions.
 
2013-09-17 10:51:12 PM  

bestie1: Mrtraveler01: ole prophet: Mrtraveler01: SithLord: TotallyHeadless: What's with all this "gun free zone" crap everyone keeps spouting? This last one just had the guy shoot a security guard and took his gun. Why is there this belief that the shooters target "gun free zones"? I don't see the pattern to support that assertion.

Because in gun-free zones, the common, law-abiding person is unable to defend himself, instead relying on hired, sometimes incompetent, security if it exists at all.  Schools, theaters, military offices are all "gun free zones" and have been the recent locations of mass casualty shootings.

So how come the Navy Yard shooting didn't happen in one of these "gun free zones"?

Because he grabbed the guns of the only people the government allows to have guns at the location?

Isn't this the exact same thing the NRA wanted to do with our schools to prevent shootings there?

Nice sock puppet work.  Neither statement makes sense so I assume the bud is good at the DNC headquarters.


How so?

The NRA's plan to stop school shootings is to have armed guard stationed in the school just like at the Navy Yard.

Obviously there is a flaw in this strategy.
 
2013-09-17 10:51:20 PM  
pbs.twimg.com
 
2013-09-17 10:51:24 PM  
I'm so sick of seeing that same old cherry-picked Mother Jones list.
 
2013-09-17 10:52:50 PM  
"Looking at the past 30-plus years of spree- and mass-shootings, this is the easiest trend to spot. Nearly two-thirds of the 67 incidents - 65.7 percent - were at the hands of a white person. Only one was committed by a female. It is indisputable: white men are most likely to commit such acts, though not exclusively. "

You grasp of probability and how stats work is, however, very disputable.
 
2013-09-17 10:54:33 PM  
The next mass multiple shooting. Knock it off with the mass, massive, massively crap.
 
2013-09-17 10:55:19 PM  
newstoshows.com
Just post these two outside of his work in Spokane that day. Everything will be fine.
 
2013-09-17 10:55:37 PM  
The article failed to mention the obvious. He will be a polite, but quiet neighbor that kept to himself. Also, he will go by 3 names with a 46.3% chance that Wayne will be in there somewhere.
 
2013-09-17 10:56:34 PM  

Mrtraveler01: bestie1: Mrtraveler01: ole prophet: Mrtraveler01: SithLord: TotallyHeadless: What's with all this "gun free zone" crap everyone keeps spouting? This last one just had the guy shoot a security guard and took his gun. Why is there this belief that the shooters target "gun free zones"? I don't see the pattern to support that assertion.

Because in gun-free zones, the common, law-abiding person is unable to defend himself, instead relying on hired, sometimes incompetent, security if it exists at all.  Schools, theaters, military offices are all "gun free zones" and have been the recent locations of mass casualty shootings.

So how come the Navy Yard shooting didn't happen in one of these "gun free zones"?

Because he grabbed the guns of the only people the government allows to have guns at the location?

Isn't this the exact same thing the NRA wanted to do with our schools to prevent shootings there?

Nice sock puppet work.  Neither statement makes sense so I assume the bud is good at the DNC headquarters.

How so?

The NRA's plan to stop school shootings is to have armed guard stationed in the school just like at the Navy Yard.

Obviously there is a flaw in this strategy.

Was it legal to possess that gun in DC?  Did it matter?

Did the perpetrator really go through a security scan or was he allowed through without scrutiny because he had the right govt. ID.  I know the answer to the last part.  I work post 911 for the fed and if you have a badge for the specific Bureau who's building you were entering then you can go through the bypass lanes.  Flash the badge to the desk guard and you are through.
 
2013-09-17 10:56:38 PM  

way south: Second we need to understand that, while Government proposes it can control guns, there is never a "we should have done our farking job" follow up. One that covers all of the missed signs and failures to report obvious problems.
This isn't a gun control or background check problem, its a failure to document so existing checks and balances can work.


No kidding.  Jesus, if a server goes down at work for over five minutes we have to write an After Action report demonstrating how we're not going to fark up again.
 
2013-09-17 11:01:21 PM  
They're way off, I won't be 38 till June, I am more of a shotgun shooter and I have never been to Spokane, WA.  I don't have plans yet for Feb. 12, 14, so we'll see.

/I'ld rather not
//I'll continue the trend of letting others do it.
 
2013-09-17 11:01:30 PM  
Christmas, Salt Lake City, senile Korean War vet, 6 dead, 1 wounded, rocket launcher legally purchased in Somalia.
 
2013-09-17 11:01:53 PM  

Mrtraveler01: TotallyHeadless: What's with all this "gun free zone" crap everyone keeps spouting? This last one just had the guy shoot a security guard and took his gun. Why is there this belief that the shooters target "gun free zones"? I don't see the pattern to support that assertion.

They're morons?

From what I heard, anyone in the Navy Yard could carry a gun so hopefully that retarded assumption is disproven and put to rest.

/Doubtful though


Only law enforcement, MP, and those otherwise cleared to carry (high level of clearance req'd for this -- high level officer, secret service, etc...) could legally carry there. This is the same thing that happened in the Ft. Hood shooting. D.C. itself is the last jurisdiction in the U.S. that does not have a pathway to allow legal carry for its citizens. It is in-effect a "gun-free" zone. The base is also a "gun-free" zone. So what we have is the X-Zibit effect.

"Gun free" zones are soft targets. Any place that doesn't allow people to legallycarry and has limited armed security fits this bill. Once inside, a shooter can do as he pleases. Apparently, all this sicko needed was a Remington 870 pump-action shotgun (most popular shotgun in the U.S. and usually never the target of attempted bans) and a decent enough knowledge of where the guards were. The fact that there were so few armed people in a military installation is asinine.

Background checks didn't stop him. D.C's and the Navy's gun restrictions didn't stop him. Ammo capacity didn't stop him. The few armed guards in the building didn't stop him. In the end, it was more guns that finally stopped him -- 30 to 60 minutes after he started.
 
2013-09-17 11:03:21 PM  

yourmomlovestetris: "The next mass shooting will take place on Feb. 12, 2014, in Spokane, Washington, by an emotionally disturbed, 38-year-old white man who will kill 7 people and wound 6 where he used to work using a semi-auto handgun he purchased legally in-state......" ~Liberal Media

to which it added after a few-second pause:

"Pleaseohpleaseohpleasewehopewehopewehope pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze don't let it be another person of color or mooslim and don't let it be a gun that was illegally obtained in a city with strict gun laws!! Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze! "


It's pretty clear that someone here is feeling pretty anxious, but I don't think it's the liberal media.
 
2013-09-17 11:03:23 PM  
I guess they didn't see the earlier Fark post from tonight about Lansing.

But maybe 4 doesn't count as a "mass shooting" any more in the U.S.
 
2013-09-17 11:05:01 PM  
Article was pretty good. Pret-ty good.
 
2013-09-17 11:05:15 PM  
White, 48, has probably worked in Spokane, unstable?
You tell me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

/there is a chance
 
2013-09-17 11:05:23 PM  
"But as we noted on Monday, the pace of shootings has increased dramatically recently. Since the first shooting in 2004, incidents have occurred about once every 149 days. (This is actually less frequently than they've occurred since 2009 alone. Since Obama became president, there's been a shooting every three months, as noted above.)"

So by using the same sort of logic the author(s) use, it can safely be stated that these incidents have increased while Obama has been in office.  Can we not then inversely attribute this as a causality? Or does using their form of specious statistical analysis and inference not apply in this case?
 
2013-09-17 11:05:24 PM  
This is just as racist as someone saying 'if you get mugged, it'll most likely be by a black guy'.
 
2013-09-17 11:05:44 PM  

bestie1: djh0101010: It really boggles my mind and/or offends me that my repeated suggestions that we put criminals who use guns in jail for 5 years minimum, typically get NO responses.

Supporters, please comment.  Detractors, please think, and if you have a coherent point, please comment.

I would really love to see a judicial system where criminals who are convicted of crimes, and who used a gun in said crime, would spend 5 years minimum in jail, mandatory.  I'd be interested in ANYONE who can tell me that this proposal would not benefit society.

I'm ok with that.  Make it 20.


20 is fine.  How about death?  I'm fine with any of these. Queue some leftist idiot subterfuging my point, in 3, 2, 1, ...
 
2013-09-17 11:06:37 PM  
I can give a "for instance".  My budy worked for DOI.  We reported to work every day and flashed our badges.  When we went up to DOJ to look at a system they were shopping around my buddy raised alarms because of his pocket knife. 
He'd been caring it into DOI for a year because no one ever said you can't do that and no one ever bothered checking.  I could have carried kilos of Peruvian marching powder into MIB whenever I wanted to and no one would have ever checked as long as as I had a DOI badge and that was in 2012 - 2014 or so.
 
2013-09-17 11:07:14 PM  

comhcinc: djh01


And there it is.  You don't think these people deserve to die? Am I right?  Can you please justify and explain your point of view?
 
2013-09-17 11:07:17 PM  

Mrtraveler01: ole prophet: Mrtraveler01: SithLord: TotallyHeadless: What's with all this "gun free zone" crap everyone keeps spouting? This last one just had the guy shoot a security guard and took his gun. Why is there this belief that the shooters target "gun free zones"? I don't see the pattern to support that assertion.

Because in gun-free zones, the common, law-abiding person is unable to defend himself, instead relying on hired, sometimes incompetent, security if it exists at all.  Schools, theaters, military offices are all "gun free zones" and have been the recent locations of mass casualty shootings.

So how come the Navy Yard shooting didn't happen in one of these "gun free zones"?

Because he grabbed the guns of the only people the government allows to have guns at the location?

Isn't this the exact same thing the NRA wanted to do with our schools to prevent shootings there?


My point is this is the worse case scenario for all parties involved. The guy tried to buy a "scary gun" and was turned away; so he bought a gun that wasn't a "scary gun" killed two people who some people feel should only have guns in what should be the most secure "'Merica Fark Yeah" of all places and continued to kill 12 others.

Both sides really want to drop it and wait to blame the next Teabagger/Muslim/Insane person.
 
2013-09-17 11:08:09 PM  

bestie1: I can give a "for instance".  My budy worked for DOI.  We reported to work every day and flashed our badges.  When we went up to DOJ to look at a system they were shopping around my buddy raised alarms because of his pocket knife. 
He'd been caring it into DOI for a year because no one ever said you can't do that and no one ever bothered checking.  I could have carried kilos of Peruvian marching powder into MIB whenever I wanted to and no one would have ever checked as long as as I had a DOI badge and that was in 2012 - 2014 or so.


I meant 2002-2004.
 
2013-09-17 11:09:56 PM  
Well it's either that or buy a Valentine's Day gift.
 
2013-09-17 11:11:48 PM  

ElFugawz: White, 48, has probably worked in Spokane, unstable?
You tell me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

/there is a chance


or how about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neal_Chase
Neal Chase (born January 30, 1966) is the disputed leader of a small Bahá'í sect known as the Bahá'ís Under the Provisions of the Covenant (BUPC), which was last known to have fewer than 100 members in 1990, mostly concentrated in Montana...

/probably that guy
//then we would get to see people scramble to figure out where we should bomb
 
2013-09-17 11:11:57 PM  

Mrtraveler01: SithLord: TotallyHeadless: What's with all this "gun free zone" crap everyone keeps spouting? This last one just had the guy shoot a security guard and took his gun. Why is there this belief that the shooters target "gun free zones"? I don't see the pattern to support that assertion.

Because in gun-free zones, the common, law-abiding person is unable to defend himself, instead relying on hired, sometimes incompetent, security if it exists at all.  Schools, theaters, military offices are all "gun free zones" and have been the recent locations of mass casualty shootings.

So how come the Navy Yard shooting didn't happen in one of these "gun free zones"?


Actually, the shooting happened on a US armed forces base, US Navy Yard, where, because of a law signed by Pres. Bill Clinton, all US Military bases in the USA were declared "gun-free" zones for safety.  The logic being, why would US military people need protection from US military people.  The unintended, (or maybe the intended) consequence of this, is that US Military personnel, trained in marksmanship and safe weapons handling are unarmed targets for terrorists, among others.
 
2013-09-17 11:12:26 PM  

Wadded Beef: The vast majority of guns used in mass killings were obtained legally - 81.8 percent. Advocates of gun control will note that this bolsters the case for tighter restrictions, particularly given the overlap between those with mental health issues and those able to buy guns.  Opponents of gun control will note that nearly a fifth of shootings used illegally obtained guns, suggesting that new controls won't prevent such shootings.
 

Well, except possibly four out of five.


Well what we need to do is prevent all legal gun purchases, because, well we all no that nobody is talking about banning all guns, you stupid 2nd amendment freaks.
 
2013-09-17 11:13:51 PM  

djh0101010: comhcinc: djh01

And there it is.  You don't think these people deserve to die? Am I right?  Can you please justify and explain your point of view?


I was in prison. I have known people who used guns when they committed crimes. Some were scum some were people who had made dumb mistakes. People deserve a second chance.
 
2013-09-17 11:15:23 PM  
And they left out the part where he'll have a history of mental problems but nobody gave a shiat.
 
2013-09-17 11:16:07 PM  
Wait, has anyone checked how old the author will be in 2014?
 
2013-09-17 11:18:04 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Wadded Beef: The vast majority of guns used in mass killings were obtained legally - 81.8 percent. Advocates of gun control will note that this bolsters the case for tighter restrictions, particularly given the overlap between those with mental health issues and those able to buy guns.  Opponents of gun control will note that nearly a fifth of shootings used illegally obtained guns, suggesting that new controls won't prevent such shootings.
 

Well, except possibly four out of five.

Well what we need to do is prevent all legal gun purchases, because, well we all no that nobody is talking about banning all guns, you stupid 2nd amendment freaks.


Was it legal to possess even a shell casing in DC?  Did the perp violate the laws by bring the gun to work? 

The real reason he got the gun into the facility was that he was allowed to.  Why was he allowed to?  Why isn't every govt, employee required to pass through a metal detector?  It's not that hard I did it a bunch when I forgot my badge?  What large federal employee organization could actually oppose that kind of safety measure?  It's a mystery!
 
2013-09-17 11:20:16 PM  
Sooooooo drive by's and gang shootouts don't count as mass shootings??? I'm sure the PD's of Detroit, Chicago, DC, Atlanta...etc etc blah  blah would disagree.

/CSB Worked with a former Vice squad member in Atlanta who said they would spend new years under a bridge because the gangs in Atlanta had more hardware than the national guard...didn't believe him till I heard the fire on New Years myself...
//Definitely don't go to the Peach drop anymore
 
2013-09-17 11:20:38 PM  

Flash_NYC: Actually, the shooting happened on a US armed forces base, US Navy Yard, where, because of a law signed by Pres. Bill Clinton, all US Military bases in the USA were declared "gun-free" zones for safety.  The logic being, why would US military people need protection from US military people.  The unintended, (or maybe the intended) consequence of this, is that US Military personnel, trained in marksmanship and safe weapons handling are unarmed targets for terrorists, among others.


It's like jacking directly into the echo chamber line out feed. No, this is wrong. It is not right. Incorrect. False.
 
2013-09-17 11:22:32 PM  
Well I guess we know where and when our next fark party isn't.
 
2013-09-17 11:23:55 PM  
Next shooting should be at a Catholic church service in Massachusettes.

Then it could be a Mass. Mass Mass Shooting.
 
2013-09-17 11:26:25 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Flash_NYC: Actually, the shooting happened on a US armed forces base, US Navy Yard, where, because of a law signed by Pres. Bill Clinton, all US Military bases in the USA were declared "gun-free" zones for safety.  The logic being, why would US military people need protection from US military people.  The unintended, (or maybe the intended) consequence of this, is that US Military personnel, trained in marksmanship and safe weapons handling are unarmed targets for terrorists, among others.

It's like jacking directly into the echo chamber line out feed. No, this is wrong. It is not right. Incorrect. False.


Bullshiat.  If you pass the gate with the correct ID your in.  Then it's a soft target inside.  Fix the gate security and harden the inside.
 
2013-09-17 11:28:43 PM  
Next shooting will be a Haitian immigrant with a lisp named Alfonso.  He'll use a bugasalt gun to tickle the asses of the nuns of a convent in San Jose.
 
2013-09-17 11:29:24 PM  

Mrtraveler01: The NRA's plan to stop school shootings is to have armed guard stationed in the school just like at the Navy Yard.

Obviously there is a flaw in this strategy.



Allow teachers who want to carry concealed to do so.
 
2013-09-17 11:30:46 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Wadded Beef: The vast majority of guns used in mass killings were obtained legally - 81.8 percent. Advocates of gun control will note that this bolsters the case for tighter restrictions, particularly given the overlap between those with mental health issues and those able to buy guns.  Opponents of gun control will note that nearly a fifth of shootings used illegally obtained guns, suggesting that new controls won't prevent such shootings.
 

Well, except possibly four out of five.

Well what we need to do is prevent all legal gun purchases, because, well we all no that nobody is talking about banning all guns, you stupid 2nd amendment freaks.


The problem is, he was smart. He LEGALLY obtained a gun to ILLEGALLY steal guns to cause the most damage. I wouldn't be surprised if this cat died with two middle fingers in the air and the ultimate troll face just knowing he crushed everyone talking points.
 
2013-09-17 11:30:50 PM  

knbwhite: Mrtraveler01: The NRA's plan to stop school shootings is to have armed guard stationed in the school just like at the Navy Yard.

Obviously there is a flaw in this strategy.


Allow teachers who want to carry concealed to do so.


Take away TFGs secret service detail and hope for happy puppies to save the world.
 
2013-09-17 11:31:43 PM  

djh0101010: I would really love to see a judicial system where criminals who are convicted of crimes, and who used a gun in said crime, would spend 5 years minimum in jail, mandatory.  I'd be interested in ANYONE who can tell me that this proposal would not benefit society.


So someone who bags a deer without the correct tag would get 5 years in jail?

Or how about someone at an airport in New York state who didn't understand that they can't check in their pistol as they do in their home state? Happens all the time. 5 year minimum for them?

The person who proposed blanket rules such as this, is generally not the type who thinks deep, or considers the entire spectrum of possibillities.
 
2013-09-17 11:32:33 PM  
When it's over I will be at Mootsy's.
 
2013-09-17 11:33:21 PM  
The "cost" of gun ownership is still worth it.
 
2013-09-17 11:33:41 PM  

corronchilejano: AverageAmericanGuy: You'd only be able to predict something like that if you were the shooter or you had information about the government's conspiracy to fan the flames of anti-gun sentiment and fear.

Or be cheap and average every single piece of data you can... because science... which is exactly what they did.

People don't actually understand how this math thing works.


Exhibit A.
 
2013-09-17 11:36:53 PM  
Fark, Mother Jones and the left-leaning Internet "news" organizations are flogging the crap out of this data set Mother Jones has built. We've got another article based on it sitting the queue.

It's a horrendously flawed dataset, and it doesn't prove what everyone and their mother is claiming it proves.

Not to mention the horrendous approach to "statistics" taken in the article - an undergraduate could do a better job of analysis than this.

I don't mind legitimate debate on gun control but this dataset and all of the commentary that goes with it is atrocious.
 
2013-09-17 11:37:39 PM  

bestie1: Bullshiat.  If you pass the gate with the correct ID your in.  Then it's a soft target inside.  Fix the gate security and harden the inside.


This was not a gun free zone. The gunman shot a security guard and then took his handgun. Military bases are not gun free zones.
 
2013-09-17 11:39:44 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Flash_NYC: Actually, the shooting happened on a US armed forces base, US Navy Yard, where, because of a law signed by Pres. Bill Clinton, all US Military bases in the USA were declared "gun-free" zones for safety.  The logic being, why would US military people need protection from US military people.  The unintended, (or maybe the intended) consequence of this, is that US Military personnel, trained in marksmanship and safe weapons handling are unarmed targets for terrorists, among others.

It's like jacking directly into the echo chamber line out feed. No, this is wrong. It is not right. Incorrect. False.


A: You linked to a site with pop up shiat soooo.....
B: http://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/pdf/r190_14.pdf  I suppose we blame that one on Bush eh?
 
2013-09-17 11:40:57 PM  

SithLord: TotallyHeadless: What's with all this "gun free zone" crap everyone keeps spouting? This last one just had the guy shoot a security guard and took his gun. Why is there this belief that the shooters target "gun free zones"? I don't see the pattern to support that assertion.

Because in gun-free zones, the common, law-abiding person is unable to defend himself, instead relying on hired, sometimes incompetent, security if it exists at all.  Schools, theaters, military offices are all "gun free zones" and have been the recent locations of mass casualty shootings.


Correlation doesn't prove causation. Is there proof that the reason shooters pick those locations because they are "gun free zones"? Or could it be for another reason such as these places are crowded with a lot of people? Or that these places represent something that the shooters have a perceived grievance against?  Just saying that "gun free zones" are the issue is not convincing.

Also, when is the last time someone check for guns at a theater? Nobody would know if you had a gun or not.
 
2013-09-17 11:41:03 PM  

djh0101010: It really boggles my mind and/or offends me that my repeated suggestions that we put criminals who use guns in jail for 5 years minimum, typically get NO responses.

Supporters, please comment.  Detractors, please think, and if you have a coherent point, please comment.

I would really love to see a judicial system where criminals who are convicted of crimes, and who used a gun in said crime, would spend 5 years minimum in jail, mandatory.  I'd be interested in ANYONE who can tell me that this proposal would not benefit society.


Move to Florida. Mandatory 10-20-life for felonies committed with a gun.
i.imgur.com

Something tells me most Farkers would object to modeling their state's laws on Florida law, however.
 
2013-09-17 11:44:24 PM  

ignoramous: B: http://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/pdf/r190_14.pdf  I suppose we blame that one on Bush eh?


I'm not sure what you think this says. The gunman shot a security guard and took his gun. Because it wasn't a gun free zone. Military bases are not gun free zones.
 
2013-09-17 11:48:02 PM  

bestie1: knbwhite: Mrtraveler01: The NRA's plan to stop school shootings is to have armed guard stationed in the school just like at the Navy Yard.

Obviously there is a flaw in this strategy.


Allow teachers who want to carry concealed to do so.

Take away TFGs secret service detail and hope for happy puppies to save the world.


No, I'm just skeptical that "more guns" are the answer.
 
2013-09-17 11:49:57 PM  

Plant Rights Activist: Let's further stigmatize the emotionally fragile loner white guys that already struggle to build a decent support group so they feel more isolated and less attached to the people around them.  Brilliant.


Uh...white guys are not stigmatized in the slightest...but if you're talking about  schizophrenics, who have made up a disproportionate number of the shootings lately, yes, they need a PSA program saying 'if you hear voices and feel like people are out to get you, check with your doctor'.
 
2013-09-17 11:50:57 PM  

Elegy: djh0101010: It really boggles my mind and/or offends me that my repeated suggestions that we put criminals who use guns in jail for 5 years minimum, typically get NO responses.

Supporters, please comment.  Detractors, please think, and if you have a coherent point, please comment.

I would really love to see a judicial system where criminals who are convicted of crimes, and who used a gun in said crime, would spend 5 years minimum in jail, mandatory.  I'd be interested in ANYONE who can tell me that this proposal would not benefit society.

Move to Florida. Mandatory 10-20-life for felonies committed with a gun.
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Something tells me most Farkers would object to modeling their state's laws on Florida law, however.


Well, it is Florida. If I was dying a horrid, painful death from cancer and scientists employed by the State of Florida found a cure that was not only painless and free and could only be administered by having sex with Miss America 2014 I would still probably decline because, you know, Florida and all that.
 
2013-09-17 11:51:10 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: bestie1: Bullshiat.  If you pass the gate with the correct ID your in.  Then it's a soft target inside.  Fix the gate security and harden the inside.

This was not a gun free zone. The gunman shot a security guard and then took his handgun. Military bases are not gun free zones.

Unless you are actually an MP you can't carry a weapon.  So he went through a heavily secured area using his badge, then in a less secured zone he found an MP in a less defended area and killed him.  The reality is he could have used a machete at that point to obtain the MP's weapon.  I just assumed most fark posters are smart enough to understand what he did.  A civilian contractor walked through security using a govt. badge because the Fed Union doesn't like to be hassled by metal detectors.  He then isolated a target with a better weapon inside the soft interior and used that to kill 11 more  people.
 
2013-09-17 11:53:11 PM  

Mrtraveler01: semiotix: It depends on what you're calling a mass shooting. If you use the standard of "four or more people injured or killed by gunshots in one event," it'll happen about 25 hours after the last one. So we're already overdue, although quite possibly one has happened that hasn't been widely reported on.

Source. (247 mass shootings in 2013, 260 days elapsed through today)

If you mean the kind of mass shooting that CNN secretly fantasizes about, then yeah, February is probably about right.

Can the shooter wait a few more weeks? Because the Sochi Winter Olympics are going on during that time and that thing will most likely suck up the news cycle if it turns out to be the clusterfark it's setting itself up to be.


I'm already buying stock in popcorn in anticipation of the Winter Olympics.
 
2013-09-17 11:53:22 PM  

Mrtraveler01: bestie1: knbwhite: Mrtraveler01: The NRA's plan to stop school shootings is to have armed guard stationed in the school just like at the Navy Yard.

Obviously there is a flaw in this strategy.


Allow teachers who want to carry concealed to do so.

Take away TFGs secret service detail and hope for happy puppies to save the world.

No, I'm just skeptical that "more guns" are the answer.


Were there armed guards at this Navy Yard?
 
2013-09-17 11:54:50 PM  

bestie1: Unless you are actually an MP you can't carry a weapon.


Yes. It isn't a gun free zone. That is what I am saying. We are agreeing.
 
2013-09-17 11:56:57 PM  
This will happen during the administration of our next president, Yelnik McWawa
 
2013-09-17 11:57:15 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: bestie1: Unless you are actually an MP you can't carry a weapon.

Yes. It isn't a gun free zone. That is what I am saying. We are agreeing.


Campus police carry weapons.

Does that mean they were lying to me when they said the university campus nearby is a gun free zone?
 
2013-09-17 11:57:16 PM  
Monday was my British fiancé's first day back at work after visiting me in Austin for a week and a half. The first question his co-workers asked was "Did you bring back any guns?"  The second was "Did you see any mass shootings?"

The Navy Yard shootings turned up on BBC News shortly thereafter.

/Looking forward to living somewhere slightly less shooty
 
2013-09-17 11:59:14 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: bestie1: Bullshiat.  If you pass the gate with the correct ID your in.  Then it's a soft target inside.  Fix the gate security and harden the inside.

This was not a gun free zone. The gunman shot a security guard and then took his handgun. Military bases are not gun free zones.


They are as much of a gun free zone as schools.
 
2013-09-18 12:00:48 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: bestie1: Unless you are actually an MP you can't carry a weapon.

Yes. It isn't a gun free zone. That is what I am saying. We are agreeing.


Your being intentionally obtuse.  How many people inside the base actually were allowed to carry guns?  3 ... 5...?  I'm not talking about the gate which is defended.  He bypassed the gate with his ID.  That is the real problem.  A simple security check at the gate would have prevented the entire incident.  Why wasn't it performed?  Was it because the Fed. Union objects?
 
2013-09-18 12:02:46 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: bestie1: Unless you are actually an MP you can't carry a weapon.

Yes. It isn't a gun free zone. That is what I am saying. We are agreeing.


Following that logic.. Schools are not gun free zone because when the cops show up to investigate a shooting, they bring their guns.
 
2013-09-18 12:04:27 AM  
That is actually a good argument against gun free zones.  Walk into one with a knife, kill a cop and suddenly boom boom boom.
 
2013-09-18 12:07:20 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: Fail. You're not going to have to wait that long


Hell, there are some angry armed nutters on FARK as I type.
 
2013-09-18 12:09:43 AM  

djh0101010: Can we find a way to ban psychos on mind altering drugs from buying  guns, while not punishing the tens of millions of gun buyers who are not hearing voices?

There has to be a way.  This would fix the headlines.

Failing that, let's put criminals in jail for a long time when they use guns, which fixes the bulk of the problem but not the headlines.


The problem with trying to keep "crazy" people from having access to guns, or otherwise restricting them, is that it discourages people who might have psychological problems from seeking help.  I'm not saying that you're wrong or that we shouldn't do what you propose, merely pointing out that there may be unfortunate side effects.
 
2013-09-18 12:11:24 AM  

Caller Number 5: So will that be the first official Seldon Crisis?


Depends.  Has The Mule been born yet?
 
2013-09-18 12:11:30 AM  

stuffy: And they left out the part where he'll have a history of mental problems but nobody gave a shiat.


No no, they more or less included that:

While mental health issues are often tricky to diagnose, it's clear that there exists a correlation between a pattern of mental illness and involvement in mass shootings.

I was going to just post "THANK YOU CAPTAIN OBVIOUS."
 
2013-09-18 12:13:34 AM  
It's a fact guys. This wasn't a gun free zone. Military bases are not gun free zones. Someone claimed the opposite. I was just correcting them. I'm not sure how simple I can make it. A good guy with a gun confronted the bad guy with a gun and the bad guy with the gun shot the good guy with the gun and then took the good guy's gun. That is what happened.
 
2013-09-18 12:16:38 AM  
I predict that before the bodies of the victims are even cold, the conspiritards will be calling the incident a "false flag.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzon72J21YQ

/Derp.
 
2013-09-18 12:21:24 AM  
My high school was a gun-free zone when I was there. Yet, we had two armed county police officers.
When I go to the local movie theaters, there are no-gun signs there, but there is private armed security and usually a police officer or two there on busy nights. When I was being processed for military service at Ft. Meade, the only armed presence I saw were the MPs at the gate.
 
2013-09-18 12:26:06 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: It's a fact guys. This wasn't a gun free zone. Military bases are not gun free zones. Someone claimed the opposite. I was just correcting them. I'm not sure how simple I can make it. A good guy with a gun confronted the bad guy with a gun and the bad guy with the gun shot the good guy with the gun and then took the good guy's gun. That is what happened.


It was by definition a gun free zone.  Only the cops (MPs) had guns and they were concentrated at the gates.  He by-passed those MPs because he had a govt. id and the unions don't like metal detectors so he never had to go through one.  Then when inside a less secure area he isolated a lone MP and killed him for his weapon.  He could have done the same with a box cutter at that point.  With the MPs weapon he then killed another 10 people.
So I'm just going to copy this over to my clip board now so I can comment on your next repost of the same shiat.
 
2013-09-18 12:28:02 AM  

2chris2: Nearly two-thirds of the 67 incidents - 65.7 percent - were at the hands of a white person. Only one was committed by a female. It is indisputable: white men are most likely to commit such acts, though not exclusively.

This is a misunderstanding of the statistics.  Men are most likely to commit such acts, white people aren't.  2/3 of the shootings were by white people, but 2/3 of the country is white.  Saying that white people are most likely to commit mass shootings is like saying that white people are most likely to breathe and eat food.  It's most likely that a mass shooter will turn out to be white, but white people are no more likely to commit mass shootings than those of other races.  There are just more of them.


Wait till you see the stats on suicides by white, 40-55 male gun owners. The numbers are truly depressing.
 
2013-09-18 12:32:22 AM  

gglibertine: Monday was my British fiancé's first day back at work after visiting me in Austin for a week and a half. The first question his co-workers asked was "Did you bring back any guns?"  The second was "Did you see any mass shootings?"

The Navy Yard shootings turned up on BBC News shortly thereafter.

/Looking forward to living somewhere slightly less shooty


Just do not sing Kung Fu Fighting in front of Asian people.  You can get arrested for that.  Oh, and no racially insensitive comments, even in jest, because you can go to jail for that.  So yeah, you are less likely to get shot, but you will be a hell of a lot less free over there.
 
2013-09-18 12:33:40 AM  

bestie1: It was by definition a gun free zone.  Only the cops (MPs) had guns


Is this guy farking with me? Is this some sort of weird interactive internet performance art?
 
2013-09-18 12:35:33 AM  
Please, please, please ... move the Atlantic Wire's publishing offices to Spokane. Please.
 
2013-09-18 12:37:41 AM  

MisterTweak: 2chris2: Nearly two-thirds of the 67 incidents - 65.7 percent - were at the hands of a white person. Only one was committed by a female. It is indisputable: white men are most likely to commit such acts, though not exclusively.

This is a misunderstanding of the statistics.  Men are most likely to commit such acts, white people aren't.  2/3 of the shootings were by white people, but 2/3 of the country is white.  Saying that white people are most likely to commit mass shootings is like saying that white people are most likely to breathe and eat food.  It's most likely that a mass shooter will turn out to be white, but white people are no more likely to commit mass shootings than those of other races.  There are just more of them.

Wait till you see the stats on suicides by white, 40-55 male gun owners. The numbers are truly depressing.


If I were to commit suicide I think I would do it by jumping out of an airplane and instead of packing a chute I would pack forks.  And my reserve would be packed with old issues of Playboy (from when women still had hairy bushes!).  And I would have a pogo stick and would attempt to get a good bounce when I hit.  And I would be naked.  And pained bright blue.  That would at least ensure I was not just another statistic.

/Not planning on doing this.
//But if I was, might as well make it unique.
 
2013-09-18 12:37:54 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: bestie1: It was by definition a gun free zone.  Only the cops (MPs) had guns

Is this guy farking with me? Is this some sort of weird interactive internet performance art?


It was by definition a gun free zone.  Only the cops (MPs) had guns and they were concentrated at the gates.  He by-passed those MPs because he had a govt. id and the unions don't like metal detectors so he never had to go through one.  Then when inside a less secure area he isolated a lone MP and killed him for his weapon.  He could have done the same with a box cutter at that point.  With the MPs weapon he then killed another 10 people.
So I'm just going to copy this over to my clip board now so I can comment on your next repost of the same shiat.
 
2013-09-18 12:39:40 AM  

bestie1: It was by definition a gun free zone.


Except for the guys with guns!
 
2013-09-18 12:41:26 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: bestie1: It was by definition a gun free zone.

Except for the guys with guns!


It was by definition a gun free zone.  Only the cops (MPs) had guns and they were concentrated at the gates.  He by-passed those MPs because he had a govt. id and the unions don't like metal detectors so he never had to go through one.  Then when inside a less secure area he isolated a lone MP and killed him for his weapon.  He could have done the same with a box cutter at that point.  With the MPs weapon he then killed another 10 people.
So I'm just going to copy this over to my clip board now so I can comment on your next repost of the same shiat.
 
2013-09-18 12:42:38 AM  

bestie1: Dusk-You-n-Me: It's a fact guys. This wasn't a gun free zone. Military bases are not gun free zones. Someone claimed the opposite. I was just correcting them. I'm not sure how simple I can make it. A good guy with a gun confronted the bad guy with a gun and the bad guy with the gun shot the good guy with the gun and then took the good guy's gun. That is what happened.

It was by definition a gun free zone.  Only the cops (MPs) had guns and they were concentrated at the gates.  He by-passed those MPs because he had a govt. id and the unions don't like metal detectors so he never had to go through one.  Then when inside a less secure area he isolated a lone MP and killed him for his weapon.  He could have done the same with a box cutter at that point.  With the MPs weapon he then killed another 10 people.
So I'm just going to copy this over to my clip board now so I can comment on your next repost of the same shiat.


B-b-b-buht its the military! They have guns!
 
2013-09-18 12:43:50 AM  

djh0101010: It really boggles my mind and/or offends me that my repeated suggestions that we put criminals who use guns in jail for 5 years minimum, typically get NO responses.

Supporters, please comment.  Detractors, please think, and if you have a coherent point, please comment.

I would really love to see a judicial system where criminals who are convicted of crimes, and who used a gun in said crime, would spend 5 years minimum in jail, mandatory.  I'd be interested in ANYONE who can tell me that this proposal would not benefit society.



Define the types of "crimes" and he use of guns, please.

Should a hunter who wandered onto property with NO TRESSPASSING signs do 5 years?

What about a woman who gets busted with a gram of weed who has a pistol in her home? 5 years minimum mandatory?


/Reality is rarely like your fantasy
 
2013-09-18 12:44:09 AM  
This is one for the record books.
 
2013-09-18 12:51:03 AM  
Here in MD, an amendment was proposed by Del. Mike Smigiel to the recently passed gun laws that would have introduced 5-year mandatory sentences for those who commit a "crime of violence" with a firearm. It was the only part of SB281 that would have negatively effected criminals.

It originally passed in house committee, but the chairman (Vallerio) didn't like that at all. He called for a re-vote. The vote ended in a tie, which killed it. It was re-introduced on 4/3 to the House floor and it was narrowly defeated there as well. Representatives in Baltimore City claimed that they couldn't afford to lock up all of these people and used that as grounds for killing the amendment.

The politicians here are sick.
 
2013-09-18 12:54:12 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: This is one for the record books.


It was by definition a gun free zone.  Only the cops (MPs) had guns and they were concentrated at the gates.  He by-passed those MPs because he had a govt. id and the unions don't like metal detectors so he never had to go through one.  Then when inside a less secure area he isolated a lone MP and killed him for his weapon.  He could have done the same with a box cutter at that point.  With the MPs weapon he then killed another 10 people.
So I'm just going to copy this over to my clip board now so I can comment on your next repost of the same shiat.
 
I assume your flirting with me at this point.
 
2013-09-18 01:04:46 AM  

Mock26: If I were to commit suicide I think I would do it by jumping out of an airplane and instead of packing a chute I would pack forks. And my reserve would be packed with old issues of Playboy (from when women still had hairy bushes!). And I would have a pogo stick and would attempt to get a good bounce when I hit. And I would be naked. And pained bright blue. That would at least ensure I was not just another statistic.


I hope you don't kill yourself, because I want your suicide philosophy to become a national phenomenon.

I want it to be a point of pride for the newly self-offed to have the anchors on the nightly news be completely unable to relate the death of the freshly deceased to the death of ANYONE else.

"In other news, a local man had a threesome with a midget man, an albino woman and a third asian, third black, third native-american pre-operative transgender um, man/woman, then upon failing to climax, jumped out the window into an already running wood chipper, a perfectly executed swan dive, which sprayed the remains over the parking lot which had been strategically treated with repellant chemicals so the blood and gore wouldn't settle into the stenciled words, 'SURRENDER, DOROTHY'.  The coroner, sheriff and curator of the local art museum award the deceased a 9.3 for execution of a innovative suicide."
 
2013-09-18 01:09:29 AM  

Kiriyama9000: Here in MD, an amendment was proposed by Del. Mike Smigiel to the recently passed gun laws that would have introduced 5-year mandatory sentences for those who commit a "crime of violence" with a firearm. It was the only part of SB281 that would have negatively effected criminals.

It originally passed in house committee, but the chairman (Vallerio) didn't like that at all. He called for a re-vote. The vote ended in a tie, which killed it. It was re-introduced on 4/3 to the House floor and it was narrowly defeated there as well. Representatives in Baltimore City claimed that they couldn't afford to lock up all of these people and used that as grounds for killing the amendment.

The politicians here are sick.


Mandatory minimums are often less desirable than you would think. They have the effect of taking the judge out of the sentencing equation - which is one of the primary reasons we have judges - and sending people who barely qualify to overly long sentences for their actions.

See also: Ronald Thompson in Florida.

Be careful what you wish for.
 
2013-09-18 01:44:58 AM  

bestie1: djh0101010: It really boggles my mind and/or offends me that my repeated suggestions that we put criminals who use guns in jail for 5 years minimum, typically get NO responses.

Supporters, please comment.  Detractors, please think, and if you have a coherent point, please comment.

I would really love to see a judicial system where criminals who are convicted of crimes, and who used a gun in said crime, would spend 5 years minimum in jail, mandatory.  I'd be interested in ANYONE who can tell me that this proposal would not benefit society.

I'm ok with that.  Make it 20.


If the crime is already a 20 year bit, a tacked on bit won't make a difference in the mind of the person doing it, the risk is worth the reward, plus the whole idea is that they will get away with it.

Also this will stop mass death shootings how? The people doing these aren't really doing the long term survival thing, much less "I might have to do 5 years on top of the being put to death for killing 20 people"

Adding years makes you feel good but the crimes people commit with guns usually have long sentences.
 
2013-09-18 02:44:50 AM  

leadmetal: IlGreven: So the argument against gun control is that we can't prevent 20% of these mass killings, so we shouldn't try to prevent the other 80%.

The argument is that we should look at the causes not the tools.

In practically all if not all of the mass shootings in the last 20+ years the shooter has been using a government approved product of the pharmaceutical industry which has known side effects that include violent behavior. But big pharma and the medical cartel that puts people on these drugs is untouchable and damn near unmentionable.

Why isn't this common thread addressed? These are mind altering substances made by insider companies approved by a government agency. They are big money makers. It does not serve those in government to address it. But taking away weapons from the population? That's what all rulers would like to do.


...but wouldn't that just be looking at another "tool" rather than a cause?  Taking away someone's access to easily killing people would stop them just as sure as taking them off of medication.  Plus, not only is there no guarantee they wouldn't go on a deadly shooting rampage if we took their lithium away, but there is every indication that this would increase the number of these shootings (and the number of violent death incidents in general as the untreated crazy people get a hold of anything sharp or heavy in their manic phases.)
 
2013-09-18 02:47:48 AM  
Awesome, I'm up for a challenge. Although the part where I 'formally worked' at whatever location I happen to pick that day might be a bit of a stretch if no-one in washington wants to hire me.
 
2013-09-18 02:50:18 AM  

farkingismybusiness: What's the over/under?


The bear is over.......
 
2013-09-18 06:44:18 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: This is one for the record books.


Why don't you just say "In the US there is no such thing as a gun free zone, anywhere, at any time. Because the cops carry guns everywhere they go"?
 
2013-09-18 06:58:10 AM  

Ready-set: This is just as racist as someone saying 'if you get mugged, it'll most likely be by a black guy'.


Oh no. If Farkfront has taught me anything it's that statistics are NEVER racist. Regardless of context and no matter how many times they're cited in any thread. Even Bryant Gumbel threads.
 
2013-09-18 06:58:43 AM  

Mrtraveler01: From what I heard, anyone in the Navy Yard could carry a gun so hopefully that retarded assumption is disproven and put to rest


So you "heard" that the home of the Chief of Naval Operations, the headquarters of the Naval Sea Systems Command, the U.S. Navy's Military Sealift Command, the Marine Corp institute, and the U.S. Navy Judge Advocate General's Corps allows anyone who wants to to carry a gun, and thought that was reasonable?

Nevermind it being in DC with the strictest gun laws in the nation?

Is there any subject you can talk about where your glaring stupidity doesn't shine through?
 
2013-09-18 07:16:29 AM  

Elegy: Move to Florida. Mandatory 10-20-life for felonies committed with a gun


I think I could get behind florida on this one.

pedobearapproved: If the crime is already a 20 year bit, a tacked on bit won't make a difference in the mind of the person doing it, the risk is worth the reward, plus the whole idea is that they will get away with it.

Also this will stop mass death shootings how?


I am curious in what crimes guns are most used in.
You are right with kidnapping bank robbery and othe rmajor crimes, but I think they may make people re-think using or having a gun with minor crimes.
 
2013-09-18 11:06:59 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: It's a fact guys. This wasn't a gun free zone. Military bases are not gun free zones. Someone claimed the opposite. I was just correcting them. I'm not sure how simple I can make it. A good guy with a gun confronted the bad guy with a gun and the bad guy with the gun shot the good guy with the gun and then took the good guy's gun. That is what happened.


Wow, are you really that dense?  A gun-free zone doesn't mean no guns at all, as it's been pointed out by many others.  It means that except for law-enforcement, (cops on duty, MPs on duty, armed security on duty), no one is allowed to legally possess a gun.

So to recap:
Colorado Theatre, gun-free zone? even with an armed guard ............. Yes.
Local school, gun-free zone? even with an armed guard ............. Yes.
Military base, gun-free zone? even with an armed MPs ............. Yes.

The point being that on-duty cops, MPs, armed security DO carry guns, freely into "gun-free" zones, yet they are still "gun-free" as other members of the general public, or in the case of the Military Base, trained soldiers who are competent shooters who have knowledge about proper weapon safety cannot carry their own weapons, thus rendering them as soft a target as those ordinary people listed in the theatres, schools and bases discussed.

I don't know why you insist on labeling facilities which are legally marked as "Gun Free" as not.
 
2013-09-18 11:07:46 AM  
So if that day is drawing to a close, and no one has done any shooting, one of you farkers will need to step up, so that we don't have a time paradox.

BTW, in most states (except for federal property) "Gun Free" zones are more of a suggestion than a law. Some states (texas, I think) enforce those signs for private property, but most do not.

In VA, if you carry in a private property "gun free" zone, and someone finds out, they most they can do is ask you do leave. If you do not, then you can be charged with tresspassing. but if they see you have a gun, and call the cops, the cops will show up and ask "Did he threaten anyone? Did you ask him to leave?" and if the answer is no to both, the cop will shrug his shoulders, walk up to you and say ""Hey look, they don't want you to have a gun here. You gotta go or I will have to charge you with tresspassing." (Or you could just get lucky and get that one cop who is out of vacations days and hasn't shot anyone for almost three weeks).

But of course if you are doing concealed carry correctly, they will never know in the first place.

/Local mall that I have been going to for 7 years suddenly decided it was "gun free". I still carry. Fark em.
// Not a hero. I hope I never have to use it.
///Make sure your state and locality doesn't enforce those laws though, or you may be looking at a misdemeanor
 
2013-09-18 11:16:02 AM  

Wrencher: Dusk-You-n-Me: This is one for the record books.

Why don't you just say "In the US there is no such thing as a gun free zone, anywhere, at any time. Because the cops carry guns everywhere they go"?


Why don't you say, "In the US there is no such thing as speed limits, anywhere, at any time. Because the cops speed everywhere they go"?

They're "Gun Free" for you and me.  Not for the Active Duty Law enforcement or armed security.  Supposedly, citizens with guns will kill everyone they see just for looking at them, anytime, anywhere, and cannot be trusted with guns.  Or large sugary soft-drinks.  Or certain cold medicines.  Or liquids of any kind over 3oz on airplanes.
 
2013-09-18 11:25:43 AM  

Mock26: gglibertine: /Looking forward to living somewhere slightly less shooty

Just do not sing Kung Fu Fighting in front of Asian people.  You can get arrested for that.  Oh, and no racially insensitive comments, even in jest, because you can go to jail for that.  So yeah, you are less likely to get shot, but you will be a hell of a lot less free over there.


Since I'm not a racist or an asshole, I don't expect that to be an issue for me.
 
2013-09-18 12:05:37 PM  

gglibertine: Mock26: gglibertine: /Looking forward to living somewhere slightly less shooty

Just do not sing Kung Fu Fighting in front of Asian people.  You can get arrested for that.  Oh, and no racially insensitive comments, even in jest, because you can go to jail for that.  So yeah, you are less likely to get shot, but you will be a hell of a lot less free over there.

Since I'm not a racist or an asshole, I don't expect that to be an issue for me.


The Kung Fu Fighting incident happened at a bar where a man was singing karaoke.  He was not being a racist or an asshole.  He was just singing a song that he liked.
 
2013-09-18 01:44:11 PM  

Mock26: gglibertine: Mock26: gglibertine: /Looking forward to living somewhere slightly less shooty

Just do not sing Kung Fu Fighting in front of Asian people.  You can get arrested for that.  Oh, and no racially insensitive comments, even in jest, because you can go to jail for that.  So yeah, you are less likely to get shot, but you will be a hell of a lot less free over there.

Since I'm not a racist or an asshole, I don't expect that to be an issue for me.

The Kung Fu Fighting incident happened at a bar where a man was singing karaoke.  He was not being a racist or an asshole.  He was just singing a song that he liked.


Newsflash: sometimes cops have to go through the formalities when someone makes a ridiculous complaint.

Found the story on BBC. The guy wasn't even taken to the police station. Since there's zero followup news that I can find (even Snopes doesn't have it), I strongly suspect the whole thing got dropped, since it was obviously either a misunderstanding or general assholery on the part of the complainant.

However, I would welcome any evidence that the gentleman in question was subjected to anything worse than the minor inconvenience of having to talk to the police, who probably found the whole thing hilarious. I'd probably have found it hilarious if it happened to me, too.

I've turned this over to my intrepid fiancé for further investigation. I'm pretty sure he's also going to find it hilarious.
 
2013-09-18 01:50:14 PM  

gglibertine: I've turned this over to my intrepid fiancé for further investigation. I'm pretty sure he's also going to find it hilarious.


P.S. He can see the Isle of Wight from his house.
 
2013-09-18 02:21:00 PM  
Since Obama became president Mylie Cyrus turned 16, there's been a shooting every three months, . . .
 
2013-09-18 06:34:15 PM  

Mrtraveler01: TotallyHeadless: What's with all this "gun free zone" crap everyone keeps spouting? This last one just had the guy shoot a security guard and took his gun. Why is there this belief that the shooters target "gun free zones"? I don't see the pattern to support that assertion.

They're morons?

From what I heard, anyone in the Navy Yard could carry a gun so hopefully that retarded assumption is disproven and put to rest.

/Doubtful though


Actually, no.
 
2013-09-18 08:09:29 PM  

ciberido: corronchilejano: AverageAmericanGuy: You'd only be able to predict something like that if you were the shooter or you had information about the government's conspiracy to fan the flames of anti-gun sentiment and fear.

Or be cheap and average every single piece of data you can... because science... which is exactly what they did.

People don't actually understand how this math thing works.

Exhibit A.


You could've at least try to get the point.
 
2013-09-19 12:08:41 AM  

gglibertine: Mock26: gglibertine: Mock26: gglibertine: /Looking forward to living somewhere slightly less shooty

Just do not sing Kung Fu Fighting in front of Asian people.  You can get arrested for that.  Oh, and no racially insensitive comments, even in jest, because you can go to jail for that.  So yeah, you are less likely to get shot, but you will be a hell of a lot less free over there.

Since I'm not a racist or an asshole, I don't expect that to be an issue for me.

The Kung Fu Fighting incident happened at a bar where a man was singing karaoke.  He was not being a racist or an asshole.  He was just singing a song that he liked.

Newsflash: sometimes cops have to go through the formalities when someone makes a ridiculous complaint.

Found the story on BBC. The guy wasn't even taken to the police station. Since there's zero followup news that I can find (even Snopes doesn't have it), I strongly suspect the whole thing got dropped, since it was obviously either a misunderstanding or general assholery on the part of the complainant.

However, I would welcome any evidence that the gentleman in question was subjected to anything worse than the minor inconvenience of having to talk to the police, who probably found the whole thing hilarious. I'd probably have found it hilarious if it happened to me, too.

I've turned this over to my intrepid fiancé for further investigation. I'm pretty sure he's also going to find it hilarious.


If I remember correctly he turned himself in after the police contacted him.  And, Yes, I am aware that sometimes the police have to go through stupid schitt like that because someone makes a stupid complaint.  But I was not attacking the police.
 
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