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(Pro Football Talk)   Throwback week just got 20% duller after NFL bans use of throwback helmets with throwback uniforms   (profootballtalk.nbcsports.com) divider line 59
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2013-09-17 06:20:09 PM
No Fun League strikes again
 
2013-09-17 06:21:58 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

/I'd love some throwback code red.
 
2013-09-17 06:23:08 PM
I like the Creamsicle uniforms.
 
2013-09-17 06:25:35 PM
That's an odd situation.

I can see it being a problem if they wanted to use helmets that were functionally similar to those from the throwback years, but if it's just a paint job on an otherwise modern helmet, why is it a problem?
 
2013-09-17 07:17:21 PM

TuteTibiImperes: That's an odd situation.

I can see it being a problem if they wanted to use helmets that were functionally similar to those from the throwback years, but if it's just a paint job on an otherwise modern helmet, why is it a problem?



Because, they apparently use different helments (presumably the same model/etc, but different physical helments), rather than just repainting the players' usual helmets.  Considering how important it is that the helmet fit properly, and how helmets tend to 'mold' to one's head, I could see how using a different helmet, even of the same model, could make a difference.
 
2013-09-17 07:20:18 PM

El_Perro: TuteTibiImperes: That's an odd situation.

I can see it being a problem if they wanted to use helmets that were functionally similar to those from the throwback years, but if it's just a paint job on an otherwise modern helmet, why is it a problem?


Because, they apparently use different helments (presumably the same model/etc, but different physical helments), rather than just repainting the players' usual helmets.  Considering how important it is that the helmet fit properly, and how helmets tend to 'mold' to one's head, I could see how using a different helmet, even of the same model, could make a difference.


Yeah, I guess I could see that, though I imagine with the budgets NFL teams it wouldn't be hard to have helmets custom fitted and designed for each player.

I'm actually sort of surprised they use the same helmet for the whole season, doesn't the material that absorbs the impact degrade over time?  I remember being told that if you wipe out on a bike and the helmet hits the ground hard you're supposed to replace it because the shock from the impact may make it less effective in the future.
 
2013-09-17 08:21:18 PM
Everybody has to put a helmet on for the first time. Seems silly.
 
2013-09-17 08:29:57 PM
Why don't the teams just use that material they wrap cars in to change the looks of their helmets? I've seen a black car turn yellow with a wrap.
 
2013-09-17 09:27:57 PM
Throwback Week - A fashion show for NFL merchandise.

/worst fashion show ever
 
2013-09-17 09:28:54 PM
Kinda keep the branding up.
 
2013-09-17 09:29:29 PM

Tom_Slick: Why don't the teams just use that material they wrap cars in to change the looks of their helmets? I've seen a black car turn yellow with a wrap.


It's a great idea, which is why no one in the NFL marketing department's ever heard of it.
 
2013-09-17 09:31:33 PM
Trifecta complete!  :D
 
2013-09-17 09:35:27 PM
"The outside of the helmet can be modified by removing or replacing decals, but the helmet itself must stay the same."


I don't see the problem.
 
2013-09-17 09:46:33 PM
What's 20% of 0 ?
 
2013-09-17 09:48:46 PM

balki1867: What's 20% of 0 ?


You are getting dangerously close to dividing by 0
 
2013-09-17 09:54:35 PM
Perhaps they should make the throwback helmets with modern design?  I dunno, just a thought.
 
2013-09-17 09:55:39 PM

IlGreven: Perhaps they should make the throwback helmets with modern design?  I dunno, just a thought.


That is what they were doing but new NFL rules require a player to wear the same helmet all season.
 
2013-09-17 10:01:40 PM

TuteTibiImperes: I remember being told that if you wipe out on a bike and the helmet hits the ground hard you're supposed to replace it because the shock from the impact may make it less effective in the future.


That's primarily due to how bike helmets are constructed- the "protection" comes from a rather stiff, styrofoam-like filler, with a thin plastic shell and felt inserts for comfort. All of this is designed to be as light as possible, so functionally, bike helmets are disposable. A football helmet, by design, is supposed to stand up to hundreds, if not thousands, of punishing collisions. The outer plastic is much, much harder (and thicker), the inserts are gel/foam and the protection/cushion material is much denser and sturdier.

Completely different design philosophies, though I'm sure football helmets get replaced at the very least, every season. Wouldn't shock me if teams chose to replace them during week 8 or 9. (Or at least, refurbish them. They certainly get cleaned and polished regularly.)
 
2013-09-17 10:03:26 PM
So if a player's helmet cracks does he have to sit out the rest of the season?

Seems like there is still going to be a bunch of new helmets. Just have them practice in them that week, paint them on Saturday night and be done with it.
 
2013-09-17 10:03:50 PM

FriarReb98: Tom_Slick: Why don't the teams just use that material they wrap cars in to change the looks of their helmets? I've seen a black car turn yellow with a wrap.

It's a great idea, which is why no one in the NFL marketing department's ever heard of it.


While in conjecture it sounds like it, the fact that if any of these head-first lunging defensive players lead with their head, they might chip or tear that vinyl-wrap that would cover the helmet. Thus leading to uniform violations. Thus leading to another asinine reason for Emperor Goodell to further control these things.

This whole thing is stupid. I'm upset that I don't get to see these this season:

cdn.bleacherreport.net
 
2013-09-17 10:13:11 PM
I, too, was under the impression that the NFL was so flush with cash that they just had multiple helmets so when the patriots wear the one helmet with the guy snapping the ball it wasnt a paint job, but another helmet.  The article makes it sound like they are wearing Riddell helmets from 1985.
 
2013-09-17 10:17:30 PM
Give em leather.

/hellbent
//hellbentforleather
 
2013-09-17 10:21:04 PM

DemoKnite: I, too, was under the impression that the NFL was so flush with cash that they just had multiple helmets so when the patriots wear the one helmet with the guy snapping the ball it wasnt a paint job, but another helmet.  The article makes it sound like they are wearing Riddell helmets from 1985.


I don't think the article explains it well.  They can make new helmets with old logos, but helmets are customized and fitted for each individual player so they don't want to fit multiple helmets for each player because it increases the likelihood one player ends up with a poorly-fitted helmet.  Of course there are incidences where this is unavoidable (i.e. the helmet is no longer deemed safe because of use), but those can be dealt with on an ad-hoc basis.

The reason throwbacks fit into this, is because some teams have throwbacks that are significantly different from their current helmet.  With most teams (Bears, Bills) the throwback is the same base color as the helmet, so its an issue of just repainting a player's helmet.  In the case of the Bucs, the old base color (white) is different from their current base (pewter), so for the throwback to work, they'd have to manufacture a different helmet for each player and fit each one from scratch.  It's extra work and there is a chance to get it wrong.

I don't completely get the logic behind this, but I at least see where they are trying to go.
 
2013-09-17 10:47:43 PM
I don't understand. They are not using the actual throwback helmets. To come out & say "no more throwback helmets," it makes it sound like.... well, no throwback helmets. When really what they mean is no old-style helmets, right?

And they couldn't find a better picture? REALLY?
 
2013-09-17 10:56:02 PM
A MUCH better picture would've been this one where Aaron Rodgers is wearing a helmet that may actually be what the NFL is talking about.

i27.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-17 11:06:21 PM
No bucco bruce? Bummer!
 
2013-09-17 11:14:24 PM
As though the existing helmets are part of the solution to the concussion problems.
 
2013-09-17 11:26:13 PM
Retahded.
 
2013-09-17 11:48:27 PM

Di Atribe: I don't understand. They are not using the actual throwback helmets. To come out & say "no more throwback helmets," it makes it sound like.... well, no throwback helmets. When really what they mean is no old-style helmets, right?

And they couldn't find a better picture? REALLY?


At a guess they are going to test every motherfarking helmet after the end of the year to see what they go through and how to make em better. Or destroy them so theres no evidence. Either way.
 
2013-09-17 11:50:05 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Trifecta complete!  :D


Yes, but not everyone will notice without the pictures.
 
2013-09-18 12:00:25 AM
Put them back in leather helmets. That will put an end to all this "leading with the head" and "using the helmet as a weapon" nonsense.
 
2013-09-18 12:02:49 AM

degenerate-afro: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Trifecta complete!  :D

Yes, but not everyone will notice without the pictures.


Fair point.  :)

Three pony threads?  In the sports tab?!

fc08.deviantart.net
 
2013-09-18 12:13:05 AM
How is this thread ponies? It's about helmets, you dorks.
 
2013-09-18 12:16:31 AM

Di Atribe: How is this thread ponies? It's about helmets, you dorks.


The headline is an inverted pun on the '20% Cooler' meme.  Reference
 
2013-09-18 12:17:20 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Di Atribe: How is this thread ponies? It's about helmets, you dorks.

The headline is an inverted pun on the '20% Cooler' meme.  Reference


OOOOOOH dammit how did I miss that. Tsk tsk on me. Carry on.
 
2013-09-18 12:17:52 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Di Atribe: How is this thread ponies? It's about helmets, you dorks.

The headline is an inverted pun on the '20% Cooler' meme.  Reference


Ack, Fark ate my link:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=20%25%20cooler
 
2013-09-18 12:17:56 AM
You guys are still dorks, though.
 
2013-09-18 12:20:02 AM

Di Atribe: You guys are still dorks, though.


yep, lulz.  All in good fun though.  Someone pointed out the trifecta as in play after the 'goaltending is magic' and 'Jim Irsay wants a pony' headlines.  So, I searched for a 3rd candidate.  I'm honestly surprised that I got a green for this.  :D
 
2013-09-18 12:22:31 AM
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I understand their point.  Wait...  Do they not have the money to manufacture backup helmets?  Well maybe the NFL should raise ticket prices!
 
2013-09-18 12:22:31 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Di Atribe: You guys are still dorks, though.

yep, lulz.  All in good fun though.  Someone pointed out the trifecta as in play after the 'goaltending is magic' and 'Jim Irsay wants a pony' headlines.  So, I searched for a 3rd candidate.  I'm honestly surprised that I got a green for this.  :D


Ha! I'm not. It's very silly. I like silly things.
 
2013-09-18 12:28:26 AM

El_Perro: and how helmets tend to 'mold' to one's head, I could see how using a different helmet, even of the same model, could make a difference.


Not really. Here's an example of one newer-type helmet.  http://www.xenith.com/products/football-helmets/x2-varsity-football-h e lmet/ I'm pretty sure that thing's gonna be fine on the first wear or the 100th. And even the older ones use air bladders that are frequently adjusted and it's not like it molds to their head. This is the NFL being stupid for the sake of being stupid.

Tom_Slick: Why don't the teams just use that material they wrap cars in to change the looks of their helmets? I've seen a black car turn yellow with a wrap.


Or just have different helmets. Kinda funny that Oregon can maintain multiple different helmets and they're a college, so they have way more players each year (and they HAVE to have guys rotating through each year) yet apparently the NFL can't do such things.

Interesting how the NFL can find all kinds of ways of bilking people of money, but let it come to spending even a (relatively) tiny amount for something like this? F*ck no!
 
2013-09-18 01:37:20 AM

TuteTibiImperes: That's an odd situation.

I can see it being a problem if they wanted to use helmets that were functionally similar to those from the throwback years, but if it's just a paint job on an otherwise modern helmet, why is it a problem?


It's the former not the latter. They wanted to use old leather helmets or whatever. Safety issue.
 
2013-09-18 01:51:31 AM
Would rather not see the bumblebee stillers unis again, they were pretty bad

/freudian slipped "bumblebeer"
 
2013-09-18 06:58:23 AM
I've been doing this in madden for years
 
2013-09-18 07:02:45 AM
Screw this throwback uniform shiat. I want a throwback playing field.

i2.cdn.turner.com
 
2013-09-18 07:09:38 AM

Gulper Eel: Screw this throwback uniform shiat. I want a throwback playing field.


They have those in Washington.
 
2013-09-18 07:24:15 AM

Gulper Eel: Screw this throwback uniform shiat. I want a throwback playing field.

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When did the Packers play the Ravens in throwback jerseys?
 
2013-09-18 08:52:38 AM

WhiskeySticks: Give em leather.

/hellbent
//hellbentforleather


There's many who tried to prove that they're faster
But they didn't last and they died as they tried.
 
2013-09-18 08:54:10 AM
I don't care about the Throwback Week so long as Pittsburgh's gawd-awful bumble bee outfits are banninated.
 
2013-09-18 09:46:16 AM
No more Creamsicles and no more Pat Patriot. Truly a sad day for this nation.
 
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