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2013-09-17 12:47:14 PM
Conservative cherry-picking at work here. 1) these comments were in 2010, so kind of irrelevant. 2) Does he actually support any Republican proposal. Hell, I think Obamacare should be scrapped and rewritten, but as single-payer. But no, oogaboogabooga Socialism.
 
2013-09-17 12:53:13 PM
Republicans should take Buffett's words as an invitation to propose a long-overdue Obamacare alternative, one that would lower costs, fix the unfairness in the tax code, deal with the specific problem of preexisting conditions, breathe life into a moribund individual insurance market, and constitute real reform.

When has any Republican ever indicated they wanted to do any of this?
"We've got ours, so fark you" is their proposal.
 
2013-09-17 12:54:12 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: Conservative cherry-picking at work here. 1) these comments were in 2010, so kind of irrelevant. 2) Does he actually support any Republican proposal. Hell, I think Obamacare should be scrapped and rewritten, but as single-payer. But no, oogaboogabooga Socialism.


I see you have all the bases covered. I'll get the lights.
 
2013-09-17 12:55:16 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: Conservative cherry-picking at work here. 1) these comments were in 2010, so kind of irrelevant. 2) Does he actually support any Republican proposal. Hell, I think Obamacare should be scrapped and rewritten, but as single-payer. But no, oogaboogabooga Socialism.


In order for Warren Buffet (or anyone else for that matter) to support a Republican health care plan as an alternative to Obamacare, there must first be a Republican health care plan.

The GOP are not shy about their desire to "repeal and replace," but are oddly silent when asked about the "replace" part. Either they don't have a plan, they haven't thought their cunning plan through to that part, or their plan is to just have non-rich people die in the streets from easily treatable medical conditions.
 
2013-09-17 12:56:37 PM

Lionel Mandrake: breathe life into a moribund individual insurance market


This is my big issue with Obamacare, for the self-employed health insurance has always been expensive, and it will continue to be expensive. I get that a single payer system will not pass, but can we make nationwide health insurance co-ops an option?
 
2013-09-17 12:56:39 PM
Okay, lets scrap it and start over from scratch!

Im sure the millions of uninsured people who now wont be able to get inurance because of pre- existing conditions will be fine.
 
2013-09-17 12:58:34 PM

King Something: PC LOAD LETTER: Conservative cherry-picking at work here. 1) these comments were in 2010, so kind of irrelevant. 2) Does he actually support any Republican proposal. Hell, I think Obamacare should be scrapped and rewritten, but as single-payer. But no, oogaboogabooga Socialism.

In order for Warren Buffet (or anyone else for that matter) to support a Republican health care plan as an alternative to Obamacare, there must first be a Republican health care plan.

The GOP are not shy about their desire to "repeal and replace," but are oddly silent when asked about the "replace" part. Either they don't have a plan, they haven't thought their cunning plan through to that part, or their plan is to just have non-rich people die in the streets from easily treatable medical conditions.


You will get Freedom Vouchers that will allow you to purchase Health Credits in other states that can be applied to a proportion of your bill, but not for abortions or birth control of course, factoring in current litigation costs and the free market and like such as.
 
2013-09-17 01:00:25 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: You will get Freedom Vouchers that will allow you to purchase Health Credits in other states that can be applied to a proportion of your bill, but not for abortions or birth control of course, factoring in current litigation costs and the free market and like such as.


And only at hospitals run by christian organizations.
 
2013-09-17 01:00:46 PM

King Something: PC LOAD LETTER: Conservative cherry-picking at work here. 1) these comments were in 2010, so kind of irrelevant. 2) Does he actually support any Republican proposal. Hell, I think Obamacare should be scrapped and rewritten, but as single-payer. But no, oogaboogabooga Socialism.

In order for Warren Buffet (or anyone else for that matter) to support a Republican health care plan as an alternative to Obamacare, there must first be a Republican health care plan.


There IS a Republican healthcare plan, they've had one for years now.  I think the name was changed a while back though, they're calling it "Obamacare" now.
 
2013-09-17 01:01:09 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: Conservative cherry-picking at work here. 1) these comments were in 2010, so kind of irrelevant. 2) Does he actually support any Republican proposal. Hell, I think Obamacare should be scrapped and rewritten, but as single-payer. But no, oogaboogabooga Socialism.


Is there an actual republican proposal?

And I suspect WB has softened his stance nearly 4 yrs later... He bought a bunch of health care stocks in the last few months.
 
2013-09-17 01:02:15 PM
So ... universal health care and the end to health insurance companies? Please?
 
2013-09-17 01:04:35 PM

Nadie_AZ: So ... universal health care and the end to health insurance companies? Please?


That's the republican plan.
 
2013-09-17 01:08:08 PM

sno man: Is there an actual republican proposal?


It used to be "repeal and replace," although they never actually proposed any replacement.  Now it's "OHMYFARKINGGOD SHUT DOWN TEH GUBBAMINT!!1!!WHARRGARBBLLZZ"
 
2013-09-17 01:08:40 PM
Before clicking the link, I'm going to guess...he wants more socialism?

*click*

Yup.
 
2013-09-17 01:14:54 PM
http://www.upworthy.com/his-first-4-sentences-are-interesting-the-5th - blew-my-mind-and-made-me-a-little-sick-2 

THE ANSWER
1) many things
2) GROUP NEGOTIATION TO LOWER COSTS!!!!

FFS, how about letting the government or a BETTER organization negotiate ONCE for the nation.
Because right now there is effectively zero price shopping.

Hell, let's just use the negotiation done by canada and the UK as a starting point.

/but profits will suffer!!!
 
2013-09-17 01:17:06 PM
Derp?
 
2013-09-17 01:32:21 PM

Lionel Mandrake: When has any Republican ever indicated they wanted to do any of this?


When they say "fix the unfairness in the tax code", what they really mean is "lower the rates on rich people to zero".
 
2013-09-17 01:34:52 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Lionel Mandrake: When has any Republican ever indicated they wanted to do any of this?

When they say "fix the unfairness in the tax code", what they really mean is "lower the rates on rich people to zero".


and remove tax credits for the dirt poor
and more deductions for rich people
rich people REALLY need earned tax credits
 
2013-09-17 01:44:00 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Lionel Mandrake: When has any Republican ever indicated they wanted to do any of this?

When they say "fix the unfairness in the tax code", what they really mean is "lower the rates on rich people to zero".


If I understand conservative economics correctly, lowering the tax rates on rich people to zero will result in infinite jobs.
 
2013-09-17 01:53:50 PM
I will say this:  I agree with one thing in that article.  And that's that the COST of health care needs to be dealt with.  Obamacare is a bandaid.  Sure, it'll help ...for now.

Lionel Mandrake: Marcus Aurelius: Lionel Mandrake: When has any Republican ever indicated they wanted to do any of this?

When they say "fix the unfairness in the tax code", what they really mean is "lower the rates on rich people to zero".

If I understand conservative economics correctly, lowering the tax rates on rich people to zero will result in infinite jobs.


Well, the limit of any number divided by 0 approaches infinity, so yes.  This is correct.  Mathematically.
 
2013-09-17 01:56:38 PM

Lionel Mandrake: sno man: Is there an actual republican proposal?

It used to be "repeal and replace," although they never actually proposed any replacement.  Now it's "OHMYFARKINGGOD SHUT DOWN TEH GUBBAMINT!!1!!WHARRGARBBLLZZ"


There was actually a Republican congresscritter who proposed an alternative not too long ago.  Some no-name guy from Ohio, I think (not Boehner, of course).  I think that's part of the problem right there, though...that very few people know of it; and he's SO famous that I can remember Boehner's name, but not THIS guy.

christ

Of course, that could just be the old age seeping in...
 
2013-09-17 02:13:21 PM

xanadian: Lionel Mandrake: sno man: Is there an actual republican proposal?

It used to be "repeal and replace," although they never actually proposed any replacement.  Now it's "OHMYFARKINGGOD SHUT DOWN TEH GUBBAMINT!!1!!WHARRGARBBLLZZ"

There was actually a Republican congresscritter who proposed an alternative not too long ago.  Some no-name guy from Ohio, I think (not Boehner, of course).  I think that's part of the problem right there, though...that very few people know of it; and he's SO famous that I can remember Boehner's name, but not THIS guy.

christ

Of course, that could just be the old age seeping in...


Was the alternative sponsored?
Was it debated?
Was it voted on?

If any of these are NO, esp the last one, then it was not a real alternative.
Many bills are written and never make it to the floor. They are not real.

I wrote a bill the other day, banning stupid people from voting. Alas, it is still on the roll of TP waiting for a sponsor.
 
2013-09-17 02:17:24 PM

Tom_Slick: Lionel Mandrake: breathe life into a moribund individual insurance market

This is my big issue with Obamacare, for the self-employed health insurance has always been expensive, and it will continue to be expensive. I get that a single payer system will not pass, but can we make nationwide health insurance co-ops an option?


I have some good news for you...
 
2013-09-17 02:17:51 PM

namatad: I wrote a bill the other day, banning stupid people from voting. Alas, it is still on the roll of TP waiting for a sponsor.


That's what that was! Sorry, I'm afraid I've got some crappy news for you...
 
2013-09-17 02:18:07 PM
 fix the unfairness in the tax code

Ahh hahahhahahahaha
 
2013-09-17 02:19:06 PM
Lifelong Republican Warren Buffett is an "Obama fanboy".

The conservative mind at work...
 
2013-09-17 02:20:14 PM
Rich guy supports Derpistan:  He's an economic genius!  I hope his wisdom trickles all over me!

Rich guy supports Obama:  ZOMG soshalizm fanboi!!!

Derp harder, asshats.
 
2013-09-17 02:20:17 PM
I'm glad to see somebody covered the "he wants more socialism in health care" base.
 
2013-09-17 02:20:42 PM

Arkanaut: Lifelong Republican Warren Buffett is an "Obama fanboy".

The conservative mind at work...


I always thought Buffet was a Democrat. But the article is stupid. It's cherry picking what he said and Obamacare does focus on costs.
 
2013-09-17 02:23:09 PM
OK, cons. Here's how it works. Get your notepads out, this may require reading later.

Wanna get rid of ObamaCare? Hey, most of America is right behind you...IF you're replacing it with either a single-payer plan or a public option.
If you just want it to go back to the way it was, STFU and go back to blowing the pharma/insurance lobbyists who brought you here in the first place.
 
2013-09-17 02:23:23 PM
'Attack the costs first, and then worry about expanding coverage,' he said. 'I would much rather see another plan that really attacks costs. And I think that's what the American public wants to see.

That's not what Republicans want to see.
 
2013-09-17 02:25:19 PM

Corvus: Arkanaut: Lifelong Republican Warren Buffett is an "Obama fanboy".

The conservative mind at work...

I always thought Buffet was a Democrat. But the article is stupid. It's cherry picking what he said and Obamacare does focus on costs.


Me too.  Maybe he's fiscally conservative but socially liberal?
 
2013-09-17 02:26:08 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: Conservative cherry-picking at work here. 1) these comments were in 2010, so kind of irrelevant. 2) Does he actually support any Republican proposal. Hell, I think Obamacare should be scrapped and rewritten, but as single-payer. But no, oogaboogabooga Socialism.


You know things are bad for conservatives when they have to dredge for years-old comments from fanboy Warren Buffett.
 
2013-09-17 02:26:16 PM

namatad: xanadian: Lionel Mandrake: sno man: Is there an actual republican proposal?

It used to be "repeal and replace," although they never actually proposed any replacement.  Now it's "OHMYFARKINGGOD SHUT DOWN TEH GUBBAMINT!!1!!WHARRGARBBLLZZ"

There was actually a Republican congresscritter who proposed an alternative not too long ago.  Some no-name guy from Ohio, I think (not Boehner, of course).  I think that's part of the problem right there, though...that very few people know of it; and he's SO famous that I can remember Boehner's name, but not THIS guy.

christ

Of course, that could just be the old age seeping in...

Was the alternative sponsored?
Was it debated?
Was it voted on?

If any of these are NO, esp the last one, then it was not a real alternative.
Many bills are written and never make it to the floor. They are not real.

I wrote a bill the other day, banning stupid people from voting. Alas, it is still on the roll of TP waiting for a sponsor.


Change your bill to read "black" instead of "stupid" and the GOP will get right on it.
 
2013-09-17 02:26:34 PM

Neighborhood Watch: FTFA:  "I mean, the American public is not behind this bill."


Amen.


And that's exactly right.

The hubris shewn by Pelosi and co. is what got her booted from her position as Speaker and it's what got several other then-Congresspeople teabagged.
 
2013-09-17 02:26:58 PM
There's stupid, and there's dishonest. And then there's the Weekly Standard, which is like a Reese's Peanut Butter cup of stupid and dishonest.
 
2013-09-17 02:28:31 PM

Neighborhood Watch: FTFA:  "I mean, the American public is not behind this bill."


Amen.


Fox News has been politicking against the Affordable Healthcare Act for 2 solid years. It's really no wonder why some of our nation's weak willed are against it.
 
2013-09-17 02:29:12 PM

Wooly Bully: There's stupid, and there's dishonest. And then there's the Weekly Standard, which is like a Reese's Peanut Butter cup of stupid and dishonest.


"You got your dishonesty in my stupidity!"

"You got your stupidity in my dishonesty!"
 
2013-09-17 02:29:23 PM
Obamacare needs the younger americans to step an voluntarily pay more $$$ to cover us older Americans.    I really thought young folks were up to the task.... now it seems they are balking??


wtf...

It seems strange now that younger folks don't want to step up and pay higher premiums.    As if they were not listening for several years....
 
2013-09-17 02:30:04 PM
Meanwhile, the GOP still thinks tort reform is the only problem and malpractice victims are the ones driving up costs.
 
2013-09-17 02:30:39 PM
You know why Warren Buffet doesn't just give all of his money to the government? Because he's a value investor, and he has no idea how management in gov't works.
 
2013-09-17 02:30:57 PM

Wooly Bully: There's stupid, and there's dishonest. And then there's the Weekly Standard, which is like a Reese's Peanut Butter cup of stupid and dishonest.


I can't take any article seriously when this ad is jammed right in the middle:


i159.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-17 02:32:23 PM
UPDATE: It appears that Buffett made his anti-Obamacare comments in 2010, thereby showing that he, like most of the American people, has opposed Obamacare since even before it was passed-a point that Mark Hemingway addressed yesterday in response to USA Today's implication that Americans' widespread dislike of Obamacare is mostly attributable to Republicans' efforts to fight it.

Holy whirling dervishes, Batman! I mean, they quote him as saying ""'What we have now is untenable over time,' said Buffett, an early supporter of President Obama. 'That kind of a cost compared to the rest of the world is really like a tapeworm eating, you know, at our economic body.'" and then at the bottom of the article they tell you the "now" that is "untenable" is the shiat we had before Obamacare even passed!.

"Buffett insists that without changes to Obamacare average citizens will suffer. No, he didn't!

Warren Buffett has soured on Obamacare No, he didn't!

Those words come from famed investor Warren Buffett, who said he would scrap Obamacare and start all over. No, he didn't!

and the Money Morning piece it links to is a farking advertisement for a book by Betsy McCaughey!! Does anyone remember her? She's the inventor of the Death Panel bullshiat!

That's it Weekly Standard. You got your click from me and never again. What a trash piece. Someone should be embarrassed.  Someone, I mean, besides me for having read the farking article.
 
2013-09-17 02:32:38 PM

Tomahawk513: Corvus: Arkanaut: Lifelong Republican Warren Buffett is an "Obama fanboy".

The conservative mind at work...

I always thought Buffet was a Democrat. But the article is stupid. It's cherry picking what he said and Obamacare does focus on costs.

Me too.  Maybe he's fiscally conservative but socially liberal?


uh... he publicly endorsed Obama and donated to his campaign. To be sure, he's an Obama fanboy.

Read a book sometime.
 
2013-09-17 02:33:27 PM

netcentric: Obamacare needs the younger americans to step an voluntarily pay more $$$ to cover us older Americans.    I really thought young folks were up to the task.... now it seems they are balking??


wtf...

It seems strange now that younger folks don't want to step up and pay higher premiums.    As if they were not listening for several years....


This is categorically untrue. Younger Americans do actually want health insurance. A large majority of them classify it as a need, and more of them than Americans at large think it is worth the cost to be insured. They simply don't have the money to afford it.
 
2013-09-17 02:34:19 PM

Aristocles: uh... he publicly endorsed Obama and donated to his campaign. To be sure, he's an Obama fanboy.


Maybe he just really hated the Republican alternative.  Like everyone else with a brain.
 
2013-09-17 02:35:44 PM
This a comment from 2010 taken out of context 3 years later.  Way to go Weekly Substandard.
 
2013-09-17 02:36:19 PM

Corvus: Arkanaut: Lifelong Republican Warren Buffett is an "Obama fanboy".

The conservative mind at work...

I always thought Buffet was a Democrat. But the article is stupid. It's cherry picking what he said and Obamacare does focus on costs.


Just googled it, and it appears to be unclear what party he belongs to, if he's registered at all.  He was an Obama donor but was also an adviser to Schwarzenegger when he ran for Governor of California.  My bad on the Republican claim though.
 
2013-09-17 02:36:57 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: Conservative cherry-picking at work here. 1) these comments were in 2010, so kind of irrelevant. 2) Does he actually support any Republican proposal. Hell, I think Obamacare should be scrapped and rewritten, but as single-payer. But no, oogaboogabooga Socialism.


Pretty much. If we all agree to scrap Obamacare, liberals will want full Single Payer and conservatives will want people who can't afford insurance or hospital bills to be reduced to a fine paste and used as fertilizer.
 
2013-09-17 02:37:06 PM
Oh boy!  A **rewrite** by the Daily Standard of a **rewrite** of some Internet rag called the Morning Investor (which specializes in trying to scare the crap out of the uninformed) of a **rewrite** of a 2010 interview with Buffett!

Thanks for keeping us informed.
 
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