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2013-09-17 11:07:01 AM
11 votes:

ZAZ: Karen Strand didn't think she'd get in trouble for having a small container of medical marijuana when she went hiking in Olympic National Park this summer. But a ranger pulled her over on a remote gravel road, and Strand wound up as one of at least 27,700 people cited for having pot on federal land since 2009, according to an Associated Press analysis of federal court data.

Is this a common pothead misconception? A friend of mine acted like Colorado legal = OK to smoke openly on federal land. Luckily no rangers were around.


Wonder how long that stupid word is going to stick around. I guess it makes it easier for you to overlook the fact that the federal government is wasting its time and money busting someone for having a joint?

Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?
2013-09-17 02:11:02 PM
9 votes:
No government agency is going to pass up the opportunity to take money from American citizens.
2013-09-17 12:37:53 PM
4 votes:

ZAZ: I'll call pothead when smoking is a major part of lifestyle rather than an occasional recreational activity.


I tend to draw that line at the point at which it's negatively impacting one's life.

Friday night and no responsibilities, toke up in your own private home?  No issue.
Driving around smoking a blunt because you just can't stand NOT being high, even if you have places to be?  Drug problem.
2013-09-17 05:09:45 PM
3 votes:
This is why national legalization is needed now, because that's just a stupid thing that it can be legal and not legal inside the same state.  Seriously, WTF.

Well, if the motherfreaking Ranger can ski better than me, well he can try and write me a ticket, but seriously, it would be far more productive for him to stalk the snowboarders who leave their empty PBR cans in the woods all winter.

As to the pants wetters, honestly, back in 1972, I thought they would all be dead by now and weed would have been legal by 2000, but no, it seems that the Ainsworth Prohibitionist brigade is still big, strong and in power - well that and the rest of the entrenched interests - those being cops, courts, jailers, lawyers, rehab centers, drug testing companies, drug policy compliance policy development nuts, and etc. and etc.  All of these peoples very reason for living is being taken away from them, and by the very people they want to BELIEVE they are Protecting from the Scourge that is Marijuana.

And the level of derp that exists about Marijuana makes party politics look like a game of Parchiise.

The cops are afraid they won't be able to use that joint in the pocket to intimidate people into flipping their dealer, and so on up the line - the cops might have to WORK for a living now.  What a pity.  And for every Rehab center for marijuana that goes out of business, we should throw a party!
2013-09-17 02:38:20 PM
3 votes:

scottydoesntknow: stirfrybry: ZAZ: I'll call pothead when smoking is a major part of lifestyle rather than an occasional recreational activity.

Like when it's used for medicinal purposes. Those potheads should just deal with their cancer. Eat something already!

That's pretty stupid. Do you call patients needing pain medication "pill-poppers"? No. When it's required to live a somewhat normal life, then it's not a recreational activity.


Unfortunately for you all the recreational smokers claim (gasp) medicinal requirement to the point where no one believes you anymore, the pot culture shot themselves in the foot on that one.
2013-09-17 02:35:01 PM
3 votes:

bluefox3681: Color me surprised that people that were breaking the law before mary jane was legalized will still not give two craps about the law after it is legalized.

Kind of makes you think about the type of character these people have?


Breaking or obeying the law is no indication of character, particularly when the law in question is arbitrary.  It is legal for me to buy investment property and then evict an 80-year-old company after they refuse or cannot  pay my rent increase.    In comparison, selling drugs to other consenting adults is downright saintly, but will land me in jail.
2013-09-17 02:24:27 PM
3 votes:
These rangers must be jerks.  Before it was legal, I used to get caught by the cops on several occassions.  The worst thing that ever happened was they kept my stash.

Rangers are bottom feeders, just above mall cop status.
2013-09-17 02:09:47 PM
3 votes:

factoryconnection: mediablitz: Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?

Smoking pot doesn't make you a pothead.  Being a clueless moron about it makes you a pothead.  I don't smoke but man I would be 100% clear on the laws around it before I ever thought I was "in the clear" doing so.

I guess the paranoia comes naturally for me.


In that sense, it's really no different than making sure that you know what the open-container laws are before you go walking down the street (or through a national park) with a beer in your hand. And alcohol is also pretty tightly controlled in national parks. Some parks prohibit it altogether.
2013-09-17 02:05:57 PM
3 votes:
FTFA:Other concerns on the DOJ's list include keeping marijuana away from kids and cartels, preventing drugged driving and pot-related gun violence, and keeping unregulated marijuana grows from spoiling federal land.

How about we just try to prevent pot-related violence in general and stop trying to inject gun-control verbiage everywhere we can?
2013-09-17 01:25:53 PM
3 votes:
Lot of no-go zones there.


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2013-09-17 12:39:07 PM
3 votes:
Just like I don't want to be hiking in the woods and smell some jack ass smoking a cigarette, I don't want to smell a joint either.
2013-09-17 06:35:24 PM
2 votes:

dywed88: profplump: randomjsa: Ah the age old 'because it's legal somewhere I'm entitled to do it anywhere' idea.

I agree that sentiment isn't a good reflection of the way things actually work, but it's not exactly intuitive to think "If I step 4 inches to the left, the thing I'm doing right now will become illegal even though the people, culture, geography, infrastructure, etc. are all identical" -- the geopolitical boundaries that are part of modern life are very abstract. And the situation isn't helped by the fact that "federal lands", particularly rural sites, typically do not have well-marked boundaries.

There are already thousands upon thousands upon thousands of places in the US where taking one step cause an action to go from innoccuos to illegal. Every municipality and state border, plus many existing rules for Federal land and protected areas.

This doesn't make anything different. And no matter what the state of Washington says, marijuana is still completely illegal in the entirety of that state (even if the Federal government said they would not prioritize enforcing that fact outside of Federal lands).


A: We have a moral obligation to disobey unjust laws.

B: Why do you believe that the will of legislators is more important than the will of the people they represent?

C: Why do you believe that anyone's opinion on marijuana use is more important than an adult who has decided that's the substance they want to inhale with their body? Would you let someone tell you you're not allowed to eat bread or get a tattoo?
2013-09-17 03:45:57 PM
2 votes:
The road to Burning Man was a sea of BLM and Forest Service rangers, with half a dozen officers and a K-9 unit available for every traffic stop, which they would initiate for driving 6mph on the open desert when they stated a 5mph limit (notwithstanding the nonexistence of legal traffic control devices). Cheap pot busts are how they pad their budgets and they're not going to let that go anytime soon.
2013-09-17 03:09:01 PM
2 votes:

meanmutton: Well, all pot-related violence is related to cartels and gangs trying to control it.  It's not like someone tokes up, flies into a rage, and beats his wife or something.


That's exactly how it works. The government told me so. If you smoke pot

You will turn in to a rodent and then smoke poison
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It will turn you in to a worse zombie than meth
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Using teh marijuana will cost you money, jobs, friends, and even your SANITY
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It will even make you associate with jazz musicians (gasp) and get aggressive
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Really it's not surprising the two camps are so far about. Morans (like Sanjay Gupta) belived the government propaganda without questioning it. In there minds it is an evil substance that destroys lives! And to people who have actually TRIED pot and have socialized with high friends it is clear that the government and antidrug warriors are pants-on-head retarded automatons without a shred of common sense.

I know which one I believe, but I have sympathy for those the government and other well-intentioned fools have misled.
2013-09-17 02:48:44 PM
2 votes:

New Slang: These rangers must be jerks.  Before it was legal, I used to get caught by the cops on several occassions.  The worst thing that ever happened was they kept my stash.

Rangers are bottom feeders, just above mall cop status.


Generalizing people is fun!

Some of those "bottom feeders" save a lot of lives. Check into the work they do in Yosemite, the Grand Canyon, and elsewhere.

They're also by far the most likely federal law enforcement personnel to be assaulted and killed. Bonus: Their pay sucks.
2013-09-17 02:44:50 PM
2 votes:

ZAZ: Karen Strand didn't think she'd get in trouble for having a small container of medical marijuana when she went hiking in Olympic National Park this summer. But a ranger pulled her over on a remote gravel road, and Strand wound up as one of at least 27,700 people cited for having pot on federal land since 2009, according to an Associated Press analysis of federal court data.

Is this a common pothead misconception? A friend of mine acted like Colorado legal = OK to smoke openly on federal land. Luckily no rangers were around.


It's a common misconception about all sorts of rules where State and Federal laws collide.  Lots of people who carry weapons when hiking (for defense against wild animals) don't realize that there are very clear differences between State and Federal law that take into effect in a National Park or Forest.
2013-09-17 02:33:25 PM
2 votes:
1.  Don't have an out tail light
2.  Don't smoke in your car.  Go behind a tree or something.  You can then dump your bowl and throw your piece if necessary.
3.  Deny everything

I'm never going to stop smoking in the mountains, so fark you rangers.
2013-09-17 02:29:41 PM
2 votes:
Color me surprised that people that were breaking the law before mary jane was legalized will still not give two craps about the law after it is legalized.

Kind of makes you think about the type of character these people have?
2013-09-17 02:15:19 PM
2 votes:

GanjSmokr: FTFA:Other concerns on the DOJ's list include keeping marijuana away from kids and cartels, preventing drugged driving and pot-related gun violence, and keeping unregulated marijuana grows from spoiling federal land.

How about we just try to prevent pot-related violence in general and stop trying to inject gun-control verbiage everywhere we can?



How about we just prevent violence?

Beer-related gun violence?
2013-09-17 02:14:10 PM
2 votes:
Ah the age old 'because it's legal somewhere I'm entitled to do it anywhere' idea.
2013-09-17 02:11:02 PM
2 votes:
I have nothing against weed, but if you get pulled over and the po-po can smell fresh burned hooch in your car then it should be a violation.

If you have medical condition that requires you smoking out while driving, then you should not be driving.

"dude I gotta get my head straight to go to the store, lets burn one down on the way." is not exactly safe.
2013-09-17 02:09:39 PM
2 votes:
Own, pwn, whatever you want to call it, yes, yes you can.

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2013-09-17 01:20:52 PM
2 votes:

mediablitz: Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?


Smoking pot doesn't make you a pothead.  Being a clueless moron about it makes you a pothead.  I don't smoke but man I would be 100% clear on the laws around it before I ever thought I was "in the clear" doing so.

I guess the paranoia comes naturally for me.
2013-09-17 01:04:27 PM
2 votes:
"It is exceptionally confusing," she said.

Not really.

OtherBrotherDarryl: Is it a federal crime when you are cited on U.S. parks for littering or other petty crimes? Do you have to appear in Federal court? Never thought about this before...


Yes, as a cop in the Army whenever I arrested a civilian it went before a federal judge. It was an interesting process to see first hand. Smaller crimes would first appear before a magistrate but the defendant would have the option of being bound over for trial which meant going to the nearest federal court. Felonies and the like would automatically be bound over to the court (although we typically had a hearing before the magistrate first to set that in motion). I actually did see a defendant (not my case) request a federal judge over a traffic ticket.

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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-09-17 11:29:12 AM
2 votes:
I'll call pothead when smoking is a major part of lifestyle rather than an occasional recreational activity.
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-09-17 11:04:39 AM
2 votes:
OtherBrotherDarryl

Yes, petty crimes go to federal court if a federal LEO cites you. In a few places you can get federal speeding ticket on what looks like an ordinary city street or state highway. The DC area parkways are federal land, for example.

If you get a marijuana citation on federal land some courts will treat it as a real crime. That may mean six months real probation, with regular reporting and testing, if you don't go to jail.
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-09-17 11:00:51 AM
2 votes:
Karen Strand didn't think she'd get in trouble for having a small container of medical marijuana when she went hiking in Olympic National Park this summer. But a ranger pulled her over on a remote gravel road, and Strand wound up as one of at least 27,700 people cited for having pot on federal land since 2009, according to an Associated Press analysis of federal court data.

Is this a common pothead misconception? A friend of mine acted like Colorado legal = OK to smoke openly on federal land. Luckily no rangers were around.
2013-09-17 10:06:06 PM
1 votes:

profplump: I'm not sure you can get across the Cascades without crossing through federal land.


It is true...   I-90,  Hwy-2 & Hwy-12, SR-542,  SR-20  & SR-410 all cross the Cascades and cross federal territory.  All the east-west routes.
2013-09-17 10:04:10 PM
1 votes:
If you are a LEO and you feel you have to arrest someone because they have a little pot, you need to reevaluate your life because, man, you've made a wrong turn somewhere.
2013-09-17 08:11:43 PM
1 votes:

Bandito King: dywed88: Bandito King: dywed88:
First, most of these people probably aren't out in the middle of nowhere. They will be on roads or popular areas.

Second, most people aren't psycopaths.

Third, the size of your gun doesn't matter when you are a few feet away, and he is probably better trained and more experienced.

Fourth, even a very small chance of being caught committing murder is a LOT worse than a citation for having pot.

Fifth, if you don't murder him, he has a good description of you and you will probably see some heavily armed agents in your vicinity in the near future, with charges a lot worse than getting caught with weed.

Need any more?

Honestly, you lost me at 2. I started looking up the differences between socio and psycho pathologies and you might be onto something there.

Gun size thing was a joke dude, I hate guns.

Taking murder off the list of options doesn't improve your situation much. If you are caught you really are better off just cooperating most of the time.

Whoah, there. I said I hate guns, not that I'm limiting options.

In terms of "keeping your head down and getting by" you are of course right that cooperating with armed fascists is the easiest and safest route to take. For now, at least. And we are probably a very long way off from the US becoming some Congo-esque hellhole where you can do whatever you want until you're killed by machete gorillas.

So enjoy doing... whatever it is the government allows you to do today.


Here I thought I was dealing to Internet Tough Guy, but it was really Crazy Idiot.
2013-09-17 07:44:03 PM
1 votes:

liam76: mediablitz: ZAZ: Karen Strand didn't think she'd get in trouble for having a small container of medical marijuana when she went hiking in Olympic National Park this summer. But a ranger pulled her over on a remote gravel road, and Strand wound up as one of at least 27,700 people cited for having pot on federal land since 2009, according to an Associated Press analysis of federal court data.

Is this a common pothead misconception? A friend of mine acted like Colorado legal = OK to smoke openly on federal land. Luckily no rangers were around.

Wonder how long that stupid word is going to stick around. I guess it makes it easier for you to overlook the fact that the federal government is wasting its time and money busting someone for having a joint?

Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?

Using the word pothead for people who can't be assed out to figure out laws that are pretty clear has nothing to with a stance on federal enforcement of said laws.

If somebody needed alcohol so bad they had to bring it to a park where it wasn't allowed then claimed ignorance of laws on alcohol in a park, I hink the alcoholic lable works.


Says the dickwad who has never hiked to the top of a mountain and cracked a beer at the summit. Or puffed a J just because you were out in nature and felt like enjoying a natural drug.

STFU dude - your shiat is weak.

/shiat's weak
2013-09-17 07:36:43 PM
1 votes:

buckeyebrain: abiigdog: scottydoesntknow: stirfrybry: ZAZ: I'll call pothead when smoking is a major part of lifestyle rather than an occasional recreational activity.

Like when it's used for medicinal purposes. Those potheads should just deal with their cancer. Eat something already!

That's pretty stupid. Do you call patients needing pain medication "pill-poppers"? No. When it's required to live a somewhat normal life, then it's not a recreational activity.

Unfortunately for you all the recreational smokers claim (gasp) medicinal requirement to the point where no one believes you anymore, the pot culture shot themselves in the foot on that one.

"Hey, man!  I have cold, man!  Can I get a pot card, Doctor Man?"
"Heeeeey, sure, man!  I can do that over the phone, man!  You don't even need to come to the office, man!"


You haven't been near anyone smoking pot since 1972 have you? Come on, you can admit it.
2013-09-17 07:32:36 PM
1 votes:

Russ1642: James10952001: Don't they have anything better to do? When it comes to pot, I could take it or leave it, but I find it absolutely absurd that someone can get in trouble for possessing a small piece of a naturally occurring plant.

Uranium is naturally occurring. Should it be available at every corner store?



Sure, why not?.  Uranium used to be fairly common in glass and colored glazes.  Natural uranium is mostly U-238, which is mostly as harmless as other heavy metals like lead.  It takes a whole lot of massively expensive and difficult processing to separate out the weaponizable U-235 isotope.

Now plutonium on the other hand, contrary to the expectations of scientists in 1955, probably shouldn't be sold at the corner store.
2013-09-17 07:18:31 PM
1 votes:

Bandito King: ITG time.

Who the fark gets ticketed by a park ranger? That's like getting a citation from a mall cop. I mean, common fear of government force aside, how do you meet someone in the forest miles away from anything and let them boss you around for ID and such?

Pothead: "My gun is bigger and no one knows who I am or that I'm out here."

Ranger: "...I will let you go with a warning."

Or even better, just push him in a river and run. The fed can't find people lost in national parks who want to be found, how the hell are they going to find someone deliberately hiding?


First, most of these people probably aren't out in the middle of nowhere. They will be on roads or popular areas.

Second, most people aren't psycopaths.

Third, the size of your gun doesn't matter when you are a few feet away, and he is probably better trained and more experienced.

Fourth, even a very small chance of being caught committing murder is a LOT worse than a citation for having pot.

Fifth, if you don't murder him, he has a good description of you and you will probably see some heavily armed agents in your vicinity in the near future, with charges a lot worse than getting caught with weed.

Need any more?
2013-09-17 06:43:10 PM
1 votes:

Russ1642: Won't be long before you need a passport to cross into federal land. If the laws are so different there it might as well be another country.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4Ku17CqdZg
2013-09-17 06:26:02 PM
1 votes:

Bandito King: ITG time.

Who the fark gets ticketed by a park ranger? That's like getting a citation from a mall cop. I mean, common fear of government force aside, how do you meet someone in the forest miles away from anything and let them boss you around for ID and such?

Pothead: "My gun is bigger and no one knows who I am or that I'm out here."

Ranger: "...I will let you go with a warning."

Or even better, just push him in a river and run. The fed can't find people lost in national parks who want to be found, how the hell are they going to find someone deliberately hiding?


I encourage you to try exactly this and report back to the class with your results. Please.
2013-09-17 05:36:38 PM
1 votes:
Well, I guess we've solved all the other problems, better go after the hikers getting baked. Shiat like this going on and people wonder why the US is a laughingstock around the world.
2013-09-17 05:29:04 PM
1 votes:

fanbladesaresharp: New Slang: These rangers must be jerks.  Before it was legal, I used to get caught by the cops on several occassions.  The worst thing that ever happened was they kept my stash.

Rangers are bottom feeders, just above mall cop status.

They also have federal backing, which mall cops have none of. Hell even Fish and Game can make your life very, very difficult these days. When you're making opinions, try to stay on this side of the dirt too.

The point is: don't be stupid about it. When you grow on federal land, what methods do you use? How do you get your water? Did you cut down any trees and clear land? How many critters did you kill with all the fertilizers and rodentcide? This shiat happens. A lot, especially in my part of the "free land to be owned by no one". You have squatters in the general sense, and you also have a certain segment of people that will squat on anything, for any reason, and make the arguement "it's my tax dollars! I should be able to do as I please with it!" Believe me, SoOR and NorCal are full of those types. (kind of goes back to that whole State of Jefferson thing with people, but that's for another day).

Again, quit being a moran about it. A lot of fed lands are for the benefit of everyone, not just your damn self and you're grow op and trying to hide behind the ignorance of law. Give it time, and it could become something as simple as getting a permit for gathering firewood or a burn permit for slash burning, or just a fishing permit. But it won't happen unless you start complying with some of the laws, regardless of one's person's opinions about it.

Another actual concern about it, is burning material in forests that are tinderboxes. If you burn your thumb sparking up your fatty or pipe (or a cigarette you're done with), and you toss it to the ground, are you prepared to put out a forest fire? I know that sounds pretty extreme, but it's a real argument around here.

I know of many people who have grown weed or still do that think they ...


Dude, I didn't make the assumption that New Slang was talking about growing weed, just getting caught toking up. Based on that, I agree that Federal LEOs should STFU and GBTW when it comes to personal weed use. I'm with you on fighting against grow ops in Federal forests. Legalization would help; no one is distilling booze in our parks...
2013-09-17 05:20:15 PM
1 votes:
Don't they have anything better to do? When it comes to pot, I could take it or leave it, but I find it absolutely absurd that someone can get in trouble for possessing a small piece of a naturally occurring plant.
2013-09-17 04:31:43 PM
1 votes:

Jument: Strand, 36, was pulled over for having a broken taillight, and the ranger reported that he could smell fresh pot.

If he can smell pot while you are driving, then WTF ARE YOU DOING? Drinking while driving is illegal, even for passengers. Treating pot similarly seems like a no-brainer.


it didn't say smoked pot...
2013-09-17 04:26:55 PM
1 votes:

StreetlightInTheGhetto: your INCREDIBLY LENIENT environment/state/city.


It is remarkable how some areas will now only make you pay a fine for the unbelievable privilege of personal choice.  It does, indeed, defy credulity.  Would you contend that kissing rings expresses adequate gratitude, or would you throw decorum to the wind and just lick their boots?
2013-09-17 04:24:27 PM
1 votes:
Strand, 36, was pulled over for having a broken taillight, and the ranger reported that he could smell fresh pot.

If he can smell pot while you are driving, then WTF ARE YOU DOING? Drinking while driving is illegal, even for passengers. Treating pot similarly seems like a no-brainer.
2013-09-17 04:15:51 PM
1 votes:
To be fair, I begrudgingly have a bit of sympathy for folks driving on normal looking roads that just happen to turn into Federal property.

But as for the lady with the piece on the table - again, it's a tiny fine in my city.  But even so, I made sure my medical card carrying roommate never left any paraphernalia out in the living room.  Because it's common sense, and common courtesy if I have friends/relatives over who don't smoke (I don't have to sweep the damn living room, kitchen, etc.).

If you're done smoking, put it away.  Don't leave stuff out in the open.
2013-09-17 04:12:47 PM
1 votes:
It's decriminalized in my city, but every single f--king year dumbass kids smoke on state university property.  Where it isn't.  They literally could cross the street most of the times and have a (iirc) $15 ticket and nothing on their record.  But instead (again, iirc) they lose access to federal funding for college.  A+ job, folks.

I don't really have sympathy.  It's one thing if you've got a legit medical card and happen to live in subsidized housing and get caught smoking.  It's quite another when you're an able bodied person who can't be assed to figure out where you probably shouldn't smoke in your INCREDIBLY LENIENT environment/state/city.

Sheesh.
2013-09-17 04:04:36 PM
1 votes:

OnlyM3: cgraves67
>>> Rangers are bottom feeders, just above mall cop status.

Not really. They are much braver than most LEOs.
Citation needed

They face armed suspects more than any other LEOs
Citation needed

they often operate outside of radio or cell phone communication, so they can't call in back-up.
Flat out bullshiat.


Let's try this one. The interviewee addresses all of the items I stated:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4709159

Here's another one:

http://work.chron.com/hazards-being-forest-ranger-21162.html

They face more armed people because 1) they check a lot of hunters, 2) because they are in the places where poachers operate, 3) drug smugglers run through Parks, 4) people carry guns where there is wildlife for *usually unnecessary* protection and it's legal to do so in national Parks now, although legality rarely stopped anyone who wanted to in the past.

Furthermore, I infer that they are braver because they have higher risks on the job than other federal LEOs, and are aware of the higher risks, but they choose to perform the necessary job anyway for whatever reason.

And my last part is poorly worded. Allow me to clarify. When Rangers are operating in mountainous regions, radio and cellular contact is sporadic at best. If they are out of radio contact, they may have to move several miles in order to make contact with their base and call for help. That's not easy if they become wounded in the line of duty. It may not even be possible if they are in a situation where a bad person or animal gets the upper hand on them. And as one article states, back-up could be hours away.
2013-09-17 03:59:48 PM
1 votes:
When you're out trying to enjoy nature, don't forget that it's against the law to enjoy nature.
2013-09-17 03:48:11 PM
1 votes:
In other words, if you want to smoke pot, shoot smack, explode IEDs, whatever else on federal land, do so during the last week of August, all the cops have gone to Burning Man.
2013-09-17 03:39:33 PM
1 votes:

mediablitz: ZAZ: Karen Strand didn't think she'd get in trouble for having a small container of medical marijuana when she went hiking in Olympic National Park this summer. But a ranger pulled her over on a remote gravel road, and Strand wound up as one of at least 27,700 people cited for having pot on federal land since 2009, according to an Associated Press analysis of federal court data.

Is this a common pothead misconception? A friend of mine acted like Colorado legal = OK to smoke openly on federal land. Luckily no rangers were around.

Wonder how long that stupid word is going to stick around. I guess it makes it easier for you to overlook the fact that the federal government is wasting its time and money busting someone for having a joint?

Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?


Because they are a moron, and a troll?
2013-09-17 03:37:27 PM
1 votes:
Well, what with the sequester and all, we've got to pay for the parks somehow. Sorry, stoners, you got picked. Don't vote for Republicans, and this won't happen to you.
2013-09-17 03:27:54 PM
1 votes:

cannibalparrot: neversubmit: GanjSmokr: FTFA:Other concerns on the DOJ's list include keeping marijuana away from kids and cartels, preventing drugged driving and pot-related gun violence, and keeping unregulated marijuana grows from spoiling federal land.

How about we just try to prevent pot-related violence in general and stop trying to inject gun-control verbiage everywhere we can?


How about we just prevent violence?

Beer-related gun violence?

Beer- related gun violence is a real thing. It's why it's illegal to carry a gun in a place serving you alcohol in a lot of states.

/pot-related gun violence as a trend is a ridiculous idea, though.


I'd wager (if i were a betting man) that the vast majority of violence tied to cannabis stems (see what i did there?) from its criminalization.  If it were legal, you'd be no more likely to be the victim of a violent crime related to it as you would be likely to be the victim of a random act of violence.
2013-09-17 03:20:42 PM
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Strik3r: SpectroBoy: Sanjay Gupta

He must have had a change of heart at some point. He seems to be advocating for it somewhat now....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tShnVEmdS2o


Yes. Recently he basically realized he had been duped and apologized for his mistake. I can respect that.

But I would respect it more if he hadn't spent YEARS advocating the wrong side, as a doctor, without ever questioning the government party line.

Still he did the right thing and corrected his error best he could.
2013-09-17 03:20:01 PM
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neversubmit: GanjSmokr: FTFA:Other concerns on the DOJ's list include keeping marijuana away from kids and cartels, preventing drugged driving and pot-related gun violence, and keeping unregulated marijuana grows from spoiling federal land.

How about we just try to prevent pot-related violence in general and stop trying to inject gun-control verbiage everywhere we can?


How about we just prevent violence?

Beer-related gun violence?


Beer- related gun violence is a real thing. It's why it's illegal to carry a gun in a place serving you alcohol in a lot of states.

/pot-related gun violence as a trend is a ridiculous idea, though.
2013-09-17 03:10:47 PM
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BigNumber12: "I've never been arrested in my life, and now I'm being threatened with six months in jail and a $5,000 fine for using my medicine?" she said. "It was my understanding the government was not going to mess with individual patients."


Oh, honey...

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2013-09-17 03:09:21 PM
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monoski: OtherBrotherDarryl: Is it a federal crime when you are cited on U.S. parks for littering or other petty crimes? Do you have to appear in Federal court? Never thought about this before...

I had a girlfriend who got busted smoking weed at the Statue of Liberty and it is indeed a federal crime but often treated as a summary offense so if you don't contest it, you can pay a fine and go on your way. That is the way Stacy's dumb adventure went.


So, it is just a fund raiser, eh?
2013-09-17 03:08:42 PM
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AdamK: patrick767: New Slang: These rangers must be jerks.  Before it was legal, I used to get caught by the cops on several occassions.  The worst thing that ever happened was they kept my stash.

Rangers are bottom feeders, just above mall cop status.

Generalizing people is fun!

Some of those "bottom feeders" save a lot of lives. Check into the work they do in Yosemite, the Grand Canyon, and elsewhere.

They're also by far the most likely federal law enforcement personnel to be assaulted and killed. Bonus: Their pay sucks.

yeah that's a bull farking shiat statement from patrick767


Go fark yourself.
2013-09-17 03:00:20 PM
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mediablitz: ZAZ: Karen Strand didn't think she'd get in trouble for having a small container of medical marijuana when she went hiking in Olympic National Park this summer. But a ranger pulled her over on a remote gravel road, and Strand wound up as one of at least 27,700 people cited for having pot on federal land since 2009, according to an Associated Press analysis of federal court data.

Is this a common pothead misconception? A friend of mine acted like Colorado legal = OK to smoke openly on federal land. Luckily no rangers were around.

Wonder how long that stupid word is going to stick around. I guess it makes it easier for you to overlook the fact that the federal government is wasting its time and money busting someone for having a joint?

Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?


Using the word pothead for people who can't be assed out to figure out laws that are pretty clear has nothing to with a stance on federal enforcement of said laws.

If somebody needed alcohol so bad they had to bring it to a park where it wasn't allowed then claimed ignorance of laws on alcohol in a park, I hink the alcoholic lable works.
2013-09-17 02:57:28 PM
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Odd Bird

I doubt the administration is micro-managing.
At least that's your stance now that bush is out and until the next R takes zero's spot.
2013-09-17 02:47:32 PM
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Drilling for oil is still OK though, right?
2013-09-17 02:43:57 PM
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bluefox3681: Color me surprised that people that were breaking the law before mary jane was legalized will still not give two craps about the law after it is legalized.

Kind of makes you think about the type of character these people have?


It's no worse than the character of the people who made it illegal so they could profit..
It's no worse than the character of the people who parrot drug propaganda from the 60s to re-enforce their cause.
And it's definitely no worse than ruining otherwise productive lives to punish something that causes much less harm than alcohol to our society.

Sometimes the most momentum in breaking down an unjust law comes from simply ignoring it. There are plenty of laws on the books with very little purpose in modern life, and I suspect the pot laws will go that same route.
2013-09-17 02:41:51 PM
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New Slang: These rangers must be jerks.  Before it was legal, I used to get caught by the cops on several occassions.  The worst thing that ever happened was they kept my stash.

Rangers are bottom feeders, just above mall cop status.


Not really. They are much braver than most LEOs. They face armed suspects more than any other LEOs, they work alone almost exclusively, and they often operate outside of radio or cell phone communication, so they can't call in back-up.
2013-09-17 02:41:04 PM
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If park rangers have enough time to be ticketing people for their pot there are too many park rangers and they need to have their budget cut.
2013-09-17 02:30:32 PM
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Perhaps this could be resolved by adapting the open-container rule already used with alcohol.  Pot growers/dispensers should vacuum seal their goods, and as long as everything is still sealed during a law enforcement encounter on federal land no violation will be issued (on the additional conditions, of course, that the person driving isn't impaired and there isn't intent to transport marijuana out-of-state).
2013-09-17 02:25:22 PM
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0.1 grams?
Normal (and NORML) people call that being out of pot.
2013-09-17 02:17:46 PM
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FTA:  Defendants say being prosecuted for having tiny amounts of pot on U.S. land ... belies the administration's assertions that going after people who comply with state marijuana laws is not a priority. The DOJ first announced that position in a 2009 memo, though the fine print also made clear that pot isn't welcome on federal property.

I doubt the administration is micro-managing.
Obama administration:  "we're not all that concerned about you, we have other things to do".
Coast Guard:  "damn right we do".
DEA:  "same here for the most part.  Local agents may have more time to harass you."
Park Rangers:  "uh, we have some free time and you smell like a blunt"
2013-09-17 02:11:00 PM
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factoryconnection: mediablitz: Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?

Smoking pot doesn't make you a pothead.  Being a clueless moron about it makes you a pothead.  I don't smoke but man I would be 100% clear on the laws around it before I ever thought I was "in the clear" doing so.

I guess the paranoia comes naturally for me.


that makes sense, along the lines of casually referring to someone committing a dui as a "drunk"
2013-09-17 02:08:03 PM
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bachelorhell.files.wordpress.com
2013-09-17 11:13:09 AM
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mediablitz: ZAZ: Karen Strand didn't think she'd get in trouble for having a small container of medical marijuana when she went hiking in Olympic National Park this summer. But a ranger pulled her over on a remote gravel road, and Strand wound up as one of at least 27,700 people cited for having pot on federal land since 2009, according to an Associated Press analysis of federal court data.

Is this a common pothead misconception? A friend of mine acted like Colorado legal = OK to smoke openly on federal land. Luckily no rangers were around.

Wonder how long that stupid word is going to stick around. I guess it makes it easier for you to overlook the fact that the federal government is wasting its time and money busting someone for having a joint?

Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?


Ehhh, I've always interpreted it as: Drinker = Smoker. Alcoholic = Pothead. I've always thought potheads are the ones who are stoned all the time, can barely hold a conversation, etc.
 
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