Shrink: Carn: Nobody owns the water, it's God's water.What if someone walks onto your beach, right? Like, let's say you do own it...
OnlyM3: cgraves67>>> Rangers are bottom feeders, just above mall cop status.Not really. They are much braver than most LEOs.Citation neededThey face armed suspects more than any other LEOsCitation neededthey often operate outside of radio or cell phone communication, so they can't call in back-up.Flat out bullshiat.
mediablitz: ZAZ: Karen Strand didn't think she'd get in trouble for having a small container of medical marijuana when she went hiking in Olympic National Park this summer. But a ranger pulled her over on a remote gravel road, and Strand wound up as one of at least 27,700 people cited for having pot on federal land since 2009, according to an Associated Press analysis of federal court data.Is this a common pothead misconception? A friend of mine acted like Colorado legal = OK to smoke openly on federal land. Luckily no rangers were around.Wonder how long that stupid word is going to stick around. I guess it makes it easier for you to overlook the fact that the federal government is wasting its time and money busting someone for having a joint?Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?
Sleeping Monkey: No government agency is going to pass up the opportunity to take money from American citizens.
Tom_Slick: Just like I don't want to be hiking in the woods and smell some jack ass smoking a cigarette, I don't want to smell a joint either.
T.rex: said it was for all intents and purposes, a methamphetimine, and wasn't comfortable prescribing it.
If your state's laws do not align with federal laws, stop visiting federal land.
Sybarite: Lot of no-go zones there.[www.worldofmaps.net image 850x647]
StreetlightInTheGhetto: your INCREDIBLY LENIENT environment/state/city.
Jument: Strand, 36, was pulled over for having a broken taillight, and the ranger reported that he could smell fresh pot.If he can smell pot while you are driving, then WTF ARE YOU DOING? Drinking while driving is illegal, even for passengers. Treating pot similarly seems like a no-brainer.
give me doughnuts: 0.1 grams?Normal (and NORML) people call that being out of pot.
Lerxst2k: [upload.wikimedia.org image 850x653]This land is their land.
OtherBrotherDarryl: Is it a federal crime when you are cited on U.S. parks for littering or other petty crimes? Do you have to appear in Federal court? Never thought about this before...
fanbladesaresharp: New Slang: These rangers must be jerks. Before it was legal, I used to get caught by the cops on several occassions. The worst thing that ever happened was they kept my stash.Rangers are bottom feeders, just above mall cop status.They also have federal backing, which mall cops have none of. Hell even Fish and Game can make your life very, very difficult these days. When you're making opinions, try to stay on this side of the dirt too.The point is: don't be stupid about it. When you grow on federal land, what methods do you use? How do you get your water? Did you cut down any trees and clear land? How many critters did you kill with all the fertilizers and rodentcide? This shiat happens. A lot, especially in my part of the "free land to be owned by no one". You have squatters in the general sense, and you also have a certain segment of people that will squat on anything, for any reason, and make the arguement "it's my tax dollars! I should be able to do as I please with it!" Believe me, SoOR and NorCal are full of those types. (kind of goes back to that whole State of Jefferson thing with people, but that's for another day).Again, quit being a moran about it. A lot of fed lands are for the benefit of everyone, not just your damn self and you're grow op and trying to hide behind the ignorance of law. Give it time, and it could become something as simple as getting a permit for gathering firewood or a burn permit for slash burning, or just a fishing permit. But it won't happen unless you start complying with some of the laws, regardless of one's person's opinions about it.Another actual concern about it, is burning material in forests that are tinderboxes. If you burn your thumb sparking up your fatty or pipe (or a cigarette you're done with), and you toss it to the ground, are you prepared to put out a forest fire? I know that sounds pretty extreme, but it's a real argument around here.I know of many people who have grown weed or still do that think they ...
captcurt: Dyslexia caused me to be a finalist in America's Next Pot Model.
randomjsa: Ah the age old 'because it's legal somewhere I'm entitled to do it anywhere' idea.
FormlessOne: I know I won't be visiting a national park any time soon, that's for damned sure.
ZAZ: OtherBrotherDarrylYes, petty crimes go to federal court if a federal LEO cites you. In a few places you can get federal speeding ticket on what looks like an ordinary city street or state highway. The DC area parkways are federal land, for example.If you get a marijuana citation on federal land some courts will treat it as a real crime. That may mean six months real probation, with regular reporting and testing, if you don't go to jail.
profplump: randomjsa: Ah the age old 'because it's legal somewhere I'm entitled to do it anywhere' idea.I agree that sentiment isn't a good reflection of the way things actually work, but it's not exactly intuitive to think "If I step 4 inches to the left, the thing I'm doing right now will become illegal even though the people, culture, geography, infrastructure, etc. are all identical" -- the geopolitical boundaries that are part of modern life are very abstract. And the situation isn't helped by the fact that "federal lands", particularly rural sites, typically do not have well-marked boundaries.
Mr_Fabulous: Lerxst2k: [upload.wikimedia.org image 850x653]This land is their land.I'm looking at that map, and damn near half of Colorado appears to be federally controlled land. Recreational retail cannabis sales become a reality in about 3.5 months there... up to a full ounce, IIRC.An understanding of some sort will need to be reached. Soon.
James10952001: Don't they have anything better to do? When it comes to pot, I could take it or leave it, but I find it absolutely absurd that someone can get in trouble for possessing a small piece of a naturally occurring plant.
stewbert: Dude, I didn't make the assumption that New Slang was talking about growing weed, just getting caught toking up. Based on that, I agree that Federal LEOs should STFU and GBTW when it comes to personal weed use. I'm with you on fighting against grow ops in Federal forests. Legalization would help; no one is distilling booze in our parks...
dywed88: There are already thousands upon thousands upon thousands of places in the US where taking one step cause an action to go from innoccuos to illegal. Every municipality and state border, plus many existing rules for Federal land and protected areas. This doesn't make anything different.
xevian: ZAZ: OtherBrotherDarrylYes, petty crimes go to federal court if a federal LEO cites you. In a few places you can get federal speeding ticket on what looks like an ordinary city street or state highway. The DC area parkways are federal land, for example.If you get a marijuana citation on federal land some courts will treat it as a real crime. That may mean six months real probation, with regular reporting and testing, if you don't go to jail.Makes me happy that in my state, the good land belongs to the state, while the crappy parts no one goes on except to hunt, belong to the feds.
ZAZ: Who watches I-90: park rangers or state patrol?
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