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(Yahoo)   WA stoners: "You can't, like, own nature, man." Federal park rangers: "Yes, yes we can"   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 201
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2013-09-17 10:59:58 AM  
Is it a federal crime when you are cited on U.S. parks for littering or other petty crimes? Do you have to appear in Federal court? Never thought about this before...
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-09-17 11:00:51 AM  
Karen Strand didn't think she'd get in trouble for having a small container of medical marijuana when she went hiking in Olympic National Park this summer. But a ranger pulled her over on a remote gravel road, and Strand wound up as one of at least 27,700 people cited for having pot on federal land since 2009, according to an Associated Press analysis of federal court data.

Is this a common pothead misconception? A friend of mine acted like Colorado legal = OK to smoke openly on federal land. Luckily no rangers were around.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-09-17 11:04:39 AM  
OtherBrotherDarryl

Yes, petty crimes go to federal court if a federal LEO cites you. In a few places you can get federal speeding ticket on what looks like an ordinary city street or state highway. The DC area parkways are federal land, for example.

If you get a marijuana citation on federal land some courts will treat it as a real crime. That may mean six months real probation, with regular reporting and testing, if you don't go to jail.
 
2013-09-17 11:07:01 AM  

ZAZ: Karen Strand didn't think she'd get in trouble for having a small container of medical marijuana when she went hiking in Olympic National Park this summer. But a ranger pulled her over on a remote gravel road, and Strand wound up as one of at least 27,700 people cited for having pot on federal land since 2009, according to an Associated Press analysis of federal court data.

Is this a common pothead misconception? A friend of mine acted like Colorado legal = OK to smoke openly on federal land. Luckily no rangers were around.


Wonder how long that stupid word is going to stick around. I guess it makes it easier for you to overlook the fact that the federal government is wasting its time and money busting someone for having a joint?

Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?
 
2013-09-17 11:13:09 AM  

mediablitz: ZAZ: Karen Strand didn't think she'd get in trouble for having a small container of medical marijuana when she went hiking in Olympic National Park this summer. But a ranger pulled her over on a remote gravel road, and Strand wound up as one of at least 27,700 people cited for having pot on federal land since 2009, according to an Associated Press analysis of federal court data.

Is this a common pothead misconception? A friend of mine acted like Colorado legal = OK to smoke openly on federal land. Luckily no rangers were around.

Wonder how long that stupid word is going to stick around. I guess it makes it easier for you to overlook the fact that the federal government is wasting its time and money busting someone for having a joint?

Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?


Ehhh, I've always interpreted it as: Drinker = Smoker. Alcoholic = Pothead. I've always thought potheads are the ones who are stoned all the time, can barely hold a conversation, etc.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-09-17 11:29:12 AM  
I'll call pothead when smoking is a major part of lifestyle rather than an occasional recreational activity.
 
2013-09-17 12:37:53 PM  

ZAZ: I'll call pothead when smoking is a major part of lifestyle rather than an occasional recreational activity.


I tend to draw that line at the point at which it's negatively impacting one's life.

Friday night and no responsibilities, toke up in your own private home?  No issue.
Driving around smoking a blunt because you just can't stand NOT being high, even if you have places to be?  Drug problem.
 
2013-09-17 12:39:07 PM  
Just like I don't want to be hiking in the woods and smell some jack ass smoking a cigarette, I don't want to smell a joint either.
 
2013-09-17 01:04:27 PM  
"It is exceptionally confusing," she said.

Not really.

OtherBrotherDarryl: Is it a federal crime when you are cited on U.S. parks for littering or other petty crimes? Do you have to appear in Federal court? Never thought about this before...


Yes, as a cop in the Army whenever I arrested a civilian it went before a federal judge. It was an interesting process to see first hand. Smaller crimes would first appear before a magistrate but the defendant would have the option of being bound over for trial which meant going to the nearest federal court. Felonies and the like would automatically be bound over to the court (although we typically had a hearing before the magistrate first to set that in motion). I actually did see a defendant (not my case) request a federal judge over a traffic ticket.

www.globalsecurity.org
 
2013-09-17 01:15:35 PM  
On an aside, I watched the movie, Thunderheart back in the day. It was mediocre, but I was impressed when the First Nation cop issued a ticket to the lead character on federal land and it was on an 1805. The property master for the production actually got that detail correct although I may be only one of ten people that noticed.
 
2013-09-17 01:20:52 PM  

mediablitz: Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?


Smoking pot doesn't make you a pothead.  Being a clueless moron about it makes you a pothead.  I don't smoke but man I would be 100% clear on the laws around it before I ever thought I was "in the clear" doing so.

I guess the paranoia comes naturally for me.
 
2013-09-17 01:25:47 PM  

factoryconnection: Smoking pot doesn't make you a pothead. Being a clueless moron about it makes you a pothead. I don't smoke but man I would be 100% clear on the laws around it before I ever thought I was "in the clear" doing so.


Agreed. I smoke a couple times each year. Usually at a poker night or on holiday with a few guys that do. I like it. Which reminds me- Ima 'bout due for a poker night.
/they're not potheads either
 
2013-09-17 01:25:53 PM  
Lot of no-go zones there.


www.worldofmaps.net
 
2013-09-17 02:05:57 PM  
FTFA:Other concerns on the DOJ's list include keeping marijuana away from kids and cartels, preventing drugged driving and pot-related gun violence, and keeping unregulated marijuana grows from spoiling federal land.

How about we just try to prevent pot-related violence in general and stop trying to inject gun-control verbiage everywhere we can?
 
2013-09-17 02:06:30 PM  
So wait.  If I commit a felony, I might be prosecuted?
 
2013-09-17 02:07:57 PM  
i.qkme.me
 
2013-09-17 02:09:39 PM  
Own, pwn, whatever you want to call it, yes, yes you can.

www.fasthorseinc.com
 
2013-09-17 02:09:44 PM  
FTA...Strand, 36, was pulled over for having a broken taillight, and the ranger reported that he could smell fresh pot.

Dude, get yourself a decent container and hide that shiat better. The good stuff reeks like crazy.


OregonVet:
Agreed. I smoke a couple times each year. Usually at a poker night or on holiday with a few guys that do. I like it. Which reminds me- Ima 'bout due for a poker night.
/they're not potheads either


We have a guy at our poker game, he smells like a walking grow.
 
2013-09-17 02:09:47 PM  

factoryconnection: mediablitz: Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?

Smoking pot doesn't make you a pothead.  Being a clueless moron about it makes you a pothead.  I don't smoke but man I would be 100% clear on the laws around it before I ever thought I was "in the clear" doing so.

I guess the paranoia comes naturally for me.


In that sense, it's really no different than making sure that you know what the open-container laws are before you go walking down the street (or through a national park) with a beer in your hand. And alcohol is also pretty tightly controlled in national parks. Some parks prohibit it altogether.
 
2013-09-17 02:11:00 PM  

factoryconnection: mediablitz: Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?

Smoking pot doesn't make you a pothead.  Being a clueless moron about it makes you a pothead.  I don't smoke but man I would be 100% clear on the laws around it before I ever thought I was "in the clear" doing so.

I guess the paranoia comes naturally for me.


that makes sense, along the lines of casually referring to someone committing a dui as a "drunk"
 
2013-09-17 02:11:02 PM  
I have nothing against weed, but if you get pulled over and the po-po can smell fresh burned hooch in your car then it should be a violation.

If you have medical condition that requires you smoking out while driving, then you should not be driving.

"dude I gotta get my head straight to go to the store, lets burn one down on the way." is not exactly safe.
 
2013-09-17 02:11:02 PM  
No government agency is going to pass up the opportunity to take money from American citizens.
 
2013-09-17 02:11:26 PM  

mediablitz: ZAZ: Karen Strand didn't think she'd get in trouble for having a small container of medical marijuana when she went hiking in Olympic National Park this summer. But a ranger pulled her over on a remote gravel road, and Strand wound up as one of at least 27,700 people cited for having pot on federal land since 2009, according to an Associated Press analysis of federal court data.

Is this a common pothead misconception? A friend of mine acted like Colorado legal = OK to smoke openly on federal land. Luckily no rangers were around.

Wonder how long that stupid word is going to stick around. I guess it makes it easier for you to overlook the fact that the federal government is wasting its time and money busting someone for having a joint?

Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?


Because, man, they're like, the man.

/Man.
 
2013-09-17 02:11:42 PM  
Came for Futurama's vegetarian lion, leaving satisfied.
 
2013-09-17 02:11:55 PM  
I fail to see the news in this story.
 
2013-09-17 02:14:10 PM  
Ah the age old 'because it's legal somewhere I'm entitled to do it anywhere' idea.
 
2013-09-17 02:15:19 PM  

GanjSmokr: FTFA:Other concerns on the DOJ's list include keeping marijuana away from kids and cartels, preventing drugged driving and pot-related gun violence, and keeping unregulated marijuana grows from spoiling federal land.

How about we just try to prevent pot-related violence in general and stop trying to inject gun-control verbiage everywhere we can?



How about we just prevent violence?

Beer-related gun violence?
 
2013-09-17 02:15:29 PM  

randomjsa: Ah the age old 'because it's legal somewhere I'm entitled to do it anywhere' idea.


And by somewhere, you mean the state that they're in.
 
2013-09-17 02:17:01 PM  

mediablitz: I guess it makes it easier for you to overlook the fact that the federal government is wasting its time and money busting someone for having a joint?


These are just regular officers doing their daily job, not SWAT teams busting down doors or sweeping the forests. Kind of an important difference there - it's still illegal on the federal level, so of course you're going to get busted if you're caught.
=Smidge=
 
2013-09-17 02:17:46 PM  
FTA:  Defendants say being prosecuted for having tiny amounts of pot on U.S. land ... belies the administration's assertions that going after people who comply with state marijuana laws is not a priority. The DOJ first announced that position in a 2009 memo, though the fine print also made clear that pot isn't welcome on federal property.

I doubt the administration is micro-managing.
Obama administration:  "we're not all that concerned about you, we have other things to do".
Coast Guard:  "damn right we do".
DEA:  "same here for the most part.  Local agents may have more time to harass you."
Park Rangers:  "uh, we have some free time and you smell like a blunt"
 
2013-09-17 02:17:49 PM  

neversubmit: GanjSmokr: FTFA:Other concerns on the DOJ's list include keeping marijuana away from kids and cartels, preventing drugged driving and pot-related gun violence, and keeping unregulated marijuana grows from spoiling federal land.

How about we just try to prevent pot-related violence in general and stop trying to inject gun-control verbiage everywhere we can?


How about we just prevent violence?

Beer-related gun violence?


I'm good with this. We should try to prevent all violence-related violence.
 
2013-09-17 02:19:50 PM  

GanjSmokr: neversubmit: GanjSmokr: FTFA:Other concerns on the DOJ's list include keeping marijuana away from kids and cartels, preventing drugged driving and pot-related gun violence, and keeping unregulated marijuana grows from spoiling federal land.

How about we just try to prevent pot-related violence in general and stop trying to inject gun-control verbiage everywhere we can?


How about we just prevent violence?

Beer-related gun violence?

I'm good with this. We should try to prevent all violence related-violence.


Fixed.
 
2013-09-17 02:24:27 PM  
These rangers must be jerks.  Before it was legal, I used to get caught by the cops on several occassions.  The worst thing that ever happened was they kept my stash.

Rangers are bottom feeders, just above mall cop status.
 
2013-09-17 02:25:03 PM  

ZAZ: I'll call pothead when smoking is a major part of lifestyle rather than an occasional recreational activity.


Like when it's used for medicinal purposes. Those potheads should just deal with their cancer. Eat something already!
 
2013-09-17 02:25:22 PM  
0.1 grams?
Normal (and NORML) people call that being out of pot.
 
2013-09-17 02:27:49 PM  

stirfrybry: ZAZ: I'll call pothead when smoking is a major part of lifestyle rather than an occasional recreational activity.

Like when it's used for medicinal purposes. Those potheads should just deal with their cancer. Eat something already!


That's pretty stupid. Do you call patients needing pain medication "pill-poppers"? No. When it's required to live a somewhat normal life, then it's not a recreational activity.
 
2013-09-17 02:29:07 PM  

Cybernetic: factoryconnection: mediablitz: Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?

Smoking pot doesn't make you a pothead.  Being a clueless moron about it makes you a pothead.  I don't smoke but man I would be 100% clear on the laws around it before I ever thought I was "in the clear" doing so.

I guess the paranoia comes naturally for me.

In that sense, it's really no different than making sure that you know what the open-container laws are before you go walking down the street (or through a national park) with a beer in your hand. And alcohol is also pretty tightly controlled in national parks. Some parks prohibit it altogether.


I was just going to bring up alcohol. It is banned in most federal parks around here. I'm sure pot is too.
 
2013-09-17 02:29:41 PM  
Color me surprised that people that were breaking the law before mary jane was legalized will still not give two craps about the law after it is legalized.

Kind of makes you think about the type of character these people have?
 
2013-09-17 02:30:32 PM  
Perhaps this could be resolved by adapting the open-container rule already used with alcohol.  Pot growers/dispensers should vacuum seal their goods, and as long as everything is still sealed during a law enforcement encounter on federal land no violation will be issued (on the additional conditions, of course, that the person driving isn't impaired and there isn't intent to transport marijuana out-of-state).
 
2013-09-17 02:30:46 PM  

scottydoesntknow: stirfrybry: ZAZ: I'll call pothead when smoking is a major part of lifestyle rather than an occasional recreational activity.

Like when it's used for medicinal purposes. Those potheads should just deal with their cancer. Eat something already!

That's pretty stupid. Do you call patients needing pain medication "pill-poppers"? No. When it's required to live a somewhat normal life, then it's not a recreational activity.


Sorry, should've used a sarcasm font
 
2013-09-17 02:33:00 PM  
Nobody owns the water, it's God's water.
 
2013-09-17 02:33:25 PM  
1.  Don't have an out tail light
2.  Don't smoke in your car.  Go behind a tree or something.  You can then dump your bowl and throw your piece if necessary.
3.  Deny everything

I'm never going to stop smoking in the mountains, so fark you rangers.
 
2013-09-17 02:33:36 PM  
Could be worse.  Here in TX there are border patrol checkpoints on all the highways leading away from the parks near the border.  Having pot on you when stopped at one of those puts you in jail for the rest of the day... or worse, depending on how much it is.
 
2013-09-17 02:33:50 PM  

Federal park rangers: "Yes, yes we can"


Something something penniless hippies.
 
2013-09-17 02:34:43 PM  

stirfrybry: scottydoesntknow: stirfrybry: ZAZ: I'll call pothead when smoking is a major part of lifestyle rather than an occasional recreational activity.

Like when it's used for medicinal purposes. Those potheads should just deal with their cancer. Eat something already!

That's pretty stupid. Do you call patients needing pain medication "pill-poppers"? No. When it's required to live a somewhat normal life, then it's not a recreational activity.

Sorry, should've used a sarcasm font


I know you were being sarcastic. I just like to have the line drawn between recreational and medicinal. It needs to be drawn so people who the plant would actually benefit and improve their way of life (beyond being high and happy) actually get access to it.

Full legalization will still be a slow process, so allowing those who are legitimately suffering to have access is very important. If it happens to show others how beneficial it can be, that's a great byproduct.

/Didn't mean to come off like a dick, I apologize for that
 
2013-09-17 02:35:01 PM  

bluefox3681: Color me surprised that people that were breaking the law before mary jane was legalized will still not give two craps about the law after it is legalized.

Kind of makes you think about the type of character these people have?


Breaking or obeying the law is no indication of character, particularly when the law in question is arbitrary.  It is legal for me to buy investment property and then evict an 80-year-old company after they refuse or cannot  pay my rent increase.    In comparison, selling drugs to other consenting adults is downright saintly, but will land me in jail.
 
2013-09-17 02:36:05 PM  

mediablitz: ZAZ: Karen Strand didn't think she'd get in trouble for having a small container of medical marijuana when she went hiking in Olympic National Park this summer. But a ranger pulled her over on a remote gravel road, and Strand wound up as one of at least 27,700 people cited for having pot on federal land since 2009, according to an Associated Press analysis of federal court data.

Is this a common pothead misconception? A friend of mine acted like Colorado legal = OK to smoke openly on federal land. Luckily no rangers were around.

Wonder how long that stupid word is going to stick around. I guess it makes it easier for you to overlook the fact that the federal government is wasting its time and money busting someone for having a joint?

Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?


"Potheads" are marijuana users too dumb to pay attention to laws about using marijuana.

Just like drinkers who are too dumb to pay attention to laws about alcohol use are labelled "drunks," "sots," "rednecks," "lush," "farking kids," "useless goddamn bums," or "uncle ralph."
 
2013-09-17 02:38:20 PM  

scottydoesntknow: stirfrybry: ZAZ: I'll call pothead when smoking is a major part of lifestyle rather than an occasional recreational activity.

Like when it's used for medicinal purposes. Those potheads should just deal with their cancer. Eat something already!

That's pretty stupid. Do you call patients needing pain medication "pill-poppers"? No. When it's required to live a somewhat normal life, then it's not a recreational activity.


Unfortunately for you all the recreational smokers claim (gasp) medicinal requirement to the point where no one believes you anymore, the pot culture shot themselves in the foot on that one.
 
2013-09-17 02:38:24 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: Could be worse.  Here in TX there are border patrol checkpoints on all the highways leading away from the parks near the border.  Having pot on you when stopped at one of those puts you in jail for the rest of the day... or worse, depending on how much it is.


I remember my friends and I crossing the border one night to go party. Had a great time, got black-out drunk, and my buddy ended up buying some ditch brick from a guy on a bike (who I could swear he pulled out his ass, but I was black-out). Anyway, next morning we're crossing back over, and they flag down our truck for a random search. Everyone starts sweating their asses off because no one could remember what happened to the little baggie.

Dogs come, do a sweep, and then nothing.

As they start walking away, my other friend busts out laughing saying he flushed that shiat right before we left and just wanted to see us freak out.

/CSB
 
2013-09-17 02:41:04 PM  
If park rangers have enough time to be ticketing people for their pot there are too many park rangers and they need to have their budget cut.
 
2013-09-17 02:41:23 PM  

OtherBrotherDarryl: Is it a federal crime when you are cited on U.S. parks for littering or other petty crimes? Do you have to appear in Federal court? Never thought about this before...


I believe so.

I got a speeding ticket in a national park a couple years ago.  I was able to get out of it by talking to the prosecutor who probably had bigger cases to worry about, but I still had to go to federal court.
 
2013-09-17 02:41:51 PM  

New Slang: These rangers must be jerks.  Before it was legal, I used to get caught by the cops on several occassions.  The worst thing that ever happened was they kept my stash.

Rangers are bottom feeders, just above mall cop status.


Not really. They are much braver than most LEOs. They face armed suspects more than any other LEOs, they work alone almost exclusively, and they often operate outside of radio or cell phone communication, so they can't call in back-up.
 
2013-09-17 02:43:57 PM  

bluefox3681: Color me surprised that people that were breaking the law before mary jane was legalized will still not give two craps about the law after it is legalized.

Kind of makes you think about the type of character these people have?


It's no worse than the character of the people who made it illegal so they could profit..
It's no worse than the character of the people who parrot drug propaganda from the 60s to re-enforce their cause.
And it's definitely no worse than ruining otherwise productive lives to punish something that causes much less harm than alcohol to our society.

Sometimes the most momentum in breaking down an unjust law comes from simply ignoring it. There are plenty of laws on the books with very little purpose in modern life, and I suspect the pot laws will go that same route.
 
2013-09-17 02:44:45 PM  
i1.kym-cdn.com

Coincidence??
 
2013-09-17 02:44:50 PM  

ZAZ: Karen Strand didn't think she'd get in trouble for having a small container of medical marijuana when she went hiking in Olympic National Park this summer. But a ranger pulled her over on a remote gravel road, and Strand wound up as one of at least 27,700 people cited for having pot on federal land since 2009, according to an Associated Press analysis of federal court data.

Is this a common pothead misconception? A friend of mine acted like Colorado legal = OK to smoke openly on federal land. Luckily no rangers were around.


It's a common misconception about all sorts of rules where State and Federal laws collide.  Lots of people who carry weapons when hiking (for defense against wild animals) don't realize that there are very clear differences between State and Federal law that take into effect in a National Park or Forest.
 
2013-09-17 02:46:34 PM  

abiigdog: scottydoesntknow: stirfrybry: ZAZ: I'll call pothead when smoking is a major part of lifestyle rather than an occasional recreational activity.

Like when it's used for medicinal purposes. Those potheads should just deal with their cancer. Eat something already!

That's pretty stupid. Do you call patients needing pain medication "pill-poppers"? No. When it's required to live a somewhat normal life, then it's not a recreational activity.

Unfortunately for you all the recreational smokers claim (gasp) medicinal requirement to the point where no one believes you anymore, the pot culture shot themselves in the foot on that one.


"Hey, man!  I have cold, man!  Can I get a pot card, Doctor Man?"
"Heeeeey, sure, man!  I can do that over the phone, man!  You don't even need to come to the office, man!"
 
2013-09-17 02:46:41 PM  
Stoners are the new Indians?
 
2013-09-17 02:46:52 PM  
www.winkyboo.com
`It looks like we scored some preemo face-peeler, Boo-Boo!'

`Let's hope Mr. Ranger doesn't narc our buzz, Yogi.'
 
2013-09-17 02:47:32 PM  
Drilling for oil is still OK though, right?
 
2013-09-17 02:48:44 PM  

New Slang: These rangers must be jerks.  Before it was legal, I used to get caught by the cops on several occassions.  The worst thing that ever happened was they kept my stash.

Rangers are bottom feeders, just above mall cop status.


Generalizing people is fun!

Some of those "bottom feeders" save a lot of lives. Check into the work they do in Yosemite, the Grand Canyon, and elsewhere.

They're also by far the most likely federal law enforcement personnel to be assaulted and killed. Bonus: Their pay sucks.
 
2013-09-17 02:49:13 PM  

GanjSmokr: FTFA:Other concerns on the DOJ's list include keeping marijuana away from kids and cartels, preventing drugged driving and pot-related gun violence, and keeping unregulated marijuana grows from spoiling federal land.

How about we just try to prevent pot-related violence in general and stop trying to inject gun-control verbiage everywhere we can?


Well, all pot-related violence is related to cartels and gangs trying to control it.  It's not like someone tokes up, flies into a rage, and beats his wife or something.
 
2013-09-17 02:52:35 PM  
I absolutely hate the decriminalization bullshiat that we have going on.  Make it farking legal and get it over with.  Having it be inconsistently applied, with some wink-and-nudge-not-going-to-charge-you or some "prescription" you get for $59 from someone advertising on temporary signs at expressway offramps is ridiculous.

Make it legal, legitimate companies will make it, it'll get destigmatized, most people will consume it as edibles, and we can get on with this idiocy.
 
2013-09-17 02:52:53 PM  

Cybernetic: factoryconnection: mediablitz: Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?

Smoking pot doesn't make you a pothead.  Being a clueless moron about it makes you a pothead.  I don't smoke but man I would be 100% clear on the laws around it before I ever thought I was "in the clear" doing so.

I guess the paranoia comes naturally for me.

In that sense, it's really no different than making sure that you know what the open-container laws are before you go walking down the street (or through a national park) with a beer in your hand. And alcohol is also pretty tightly controlled in national parks. Some parks prohibit it altogether.


SOME PARKS PROHIBIT IT!
 
2013-09-17 02:54:05 PM  
actually you can't own nature. nature can own you though.
 
2013-09-17 02:54:37 PM  

factoryconnection: Smoking pot doesn't make you a pothead. Being a clueless moron about it makes you a pothead. I don't smoke but man I would be 100% clear on the laws around it before I ever thought I was "in the clear" doing so.


Pot's illegal by federal law everywhere, but it's selectively not enforced in the case of medical marijuana (sometimes) and in Washington and Colorado. I don't think the person in the article is a 'clueless moron' for not realizing that gap in federal enforcement in Washington (which the government has directly stated, mind you) doesn't apply to the national park. This is more a problem with selective enforcement of laws, state laws that contradict federal ones, and the government keeping around certain drug laws on the federal level even though it's pretty clear the states want and should probably get control of them.
 
2013-09-17 02:54:41 PM  
"I've never been arrested in my life, and now I'm being threatened with six months in jail and a $5,000 fine for using my medicine?" she said. "It was my understanding the government was not going to mess with individual patients."


Oh, honey...

i270.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-17 02:54:55 PM  

patrick767: New Slang: These rangers must be jerks.  Before it was legal, I used to get caught by the cops on several occassions.  The worst thing that ever happened was they kept my stash.

Rangers are bottom feeders, just above mall cop status.

Generalizing people is fun!

Some of those "bottom feeders" save a lot of lives. Check into the work they do in Yosemite, the Grand Canyon, and elsewhere.

They're also by far the most likely federal law enforcement personnel to be assaulted and killed. Bonus: Their pay sucks.


yeah that's a bull farking shiat statement from patrick767
 
2013-09-17 02:55:49 PM  

ZAZ: Karen Strand didn't think she'd get in trouble for having a small container of medical marijuana when she went hiking in Olympic National Park this summer. But a ranger pulled her over on a remote gravel road, and Strand wound up as one of at least 27,700 people cited for having pot on federal land since 2009, according to an Associated Press analysis of federal court data.

Is this a common pothead misconception? A friend of mine acted like Colorado legal = OK to smoke openly on federal land. Luckily no rangers were around.


I thought the distinction was pretty clear between federal and state lands, and that the statement that it was not allowed on federal land was pretty clear.

But I pay attention and try to remain sober for most of my work day. There are lots of idiots or simply clueless people out there.
 
2013-09-17 02:57:11 PM  

buckeyebrain: abiigdog: scottydoesntknow: stirfrybry: ZAZ: I'll call pothead when smoking is a major part of lifestyle rather than an occasional recreational activity.

Like when it's used for medicinal purposes. Those potheads should just deal with their cancer. Eat something already!

That's pretty stupid. Do you call patients needing pain medication "pill-poppers"? No. When it's required to live a somewhat normal life, then it's not a recreational activity.

Unfortunately for you all the recreational smokers claim (gasp) medicinal requirement to the point where no one believes you anymore, the pot culture shot themselves in the foot on that one.

"Hey, man!  I have cold, man!  Can I get a pot card, Doctor Man?"
"Heeeeey, sure, man!  I can do that over the phone, man!  You don't even need to come to the office, man!"


When I was last at the dentist they seemed awfully willing to write me a prescription for "the strong stuff". So it isn't just medical MJ cards. Doctors are in the business of making people feel better. This is why folks go to see them. Some of them are more than willing to give you what you want and this isn't something new.

-Dr. Roberts
 
2013-09-17 02:57:28 PM  
Odd Bird

I doubt the administration is micro-managing.
At least that's your stance now that bush is out and until the next R takes zero's spot.
 
2013-09-17 03:00:20 PM  

mediablitz: ZAZ: Karen Strand didn't think she'd get in trouble for having a small container of medical marijuana when she went hiking in Olympic National Park this summer. But a ranger pulled her over on a remote gravel road, and Strand wound up as one of at least 27,700 people cited for having pot on federal land since 2009, according to an Associated Press analysis of federal court data.

Is this a common pothead misconception? A friend of mine acted like Colorado legal = OK to smoke openly on federal land. Luckily no rangers were around.

Wonder how long that stupid word is going to stick around. I guess it makes it easier for you to overlook the fact that the federal government is wasting its time and money busting someone for having a joint?

Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?


Using the word pothead for people who can't be assed out to figure out laws that are pretty clear has nothing to with a stance on federal enforcement of said laws.

If somebody needed alcohol so bad they had to bring it to a park where it wasn't allowed then claimed ignorance of laws on alcohol in a park, I hink the alcoholic lable works.
 
2013-09-17 03:02:35 PM  

kindms: buckeyebrain: abiigdog: scottydoesntknow: stirfrybry: ZAZ: I'll call pothead when smoking is a major part of lifestyle rather than an occasional recreational activity.

When I was last at the dentist they seemed awfully willing to write me a prescription for "the strong stuff". So it isn't just medical MJ cards. Doctors are in the business of making people feel better.


At the conclusion of my last appointment, my doctor asked if there was anything he could 'do' for me.... I used this as an opportunity, and asked for an Adderol prescription.  He got a little antsy and instead referred me to a psychiatrist buddy of his. said it was for all intents and purposes, a methamphetimine, and wasn't comfortable prescribing it.
 
2013-09-17 03:04:46 PM  

meanmutton: I absolutely hate the decriminalization bullshiat that we have going on.  Make it farking legal and get it over with.  Having it be inconsistently applied, with some wink-and-nudge-not-going-to-charge-you or some "prescription" you get for $59 from someone advertising on temporary signs at expressway offramps is ridiculous.

Make it legal, legitimate companies will make it, it'll get destigmatized, most people will consume it as edibles, and we can get on with this idiocy.


That would be because the destigmatization has to produce enough revenue to make it happen.
The effort is not to make MJ accessible, but to continue the PROFIT addiction.
 
2013-09-17 03:05:54 PM  

New Slang: These rangers must be jerks.  Before it was legal, I used to get caught by the cops on several occassions.  The worst thing that ever happened was they kept my stash.

Rangers are bottom feeders, just above mall cop status.


They also have federal backing, which mall cops have none of. Hell even Fish and Game can make your life very, very difficult these days. When you're making opinions, try to stay on this side of the dirt too.

The point is: don't be stupid about it. When you grow on federal land, what methods do you use? How do you get your water? Did you cut down any trees and clear land? How many critters did you kill with all the fertilizers and rodentcide? This shiat happens. A lot, especially in my part of the "free land to be owned by no one". You have squatters in the general sense, and you also have a certain segment of people that will squat on anything, for any reason, and make the arguement "it's my tax dollars! I should be able to do as I please with it!" Believe me, SoOR and NorCal are full of those types. (kind of goes back to that whole State of Jefferson thing with people, but that's for another day).

Again, quit being a moran about it. A lot of fed lands are for the benefit of everyone, not just your damn self and you're grow op and trying to hide behind the ignorance of law. Give it time, and it could become something as simple as getting a permit for gathering firewood or a burn permit for slash burning, or just a fishing permit. But it won't happen unless you start complying with some of the laws, regardless of one's person's opinions about it.

Another actual concern about it, is burning material in forests that are tinderboxes. If you burn your thumb sparking up your fatty or pipe (or a cigarette you're done with), and you toss it to the ground, are you prepared to put out a forest fire? I know that sounds pretty extreme, but it's a real argument around here.

I know of many people who have grown weed or still do that think they can circumvent say, property forfeiture laws by growing on government lands if/when they get busted. It doesn't work that way, but people can sure go ahead and try. However in the meantime, don't be an a$$ and claim your freedom$ are being taken away because you're playing $tupid and got caught. Perhaps as I already said, getting a weed permit or a water rights agreement for an "agricultural" operation will be no more difficult than tying your shoes, but we're not there yet.
 
2013-09-17 03:06:52 PM  
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Does not approve
 
2013-09-17 03:07:07 PM  

T.rex: kindms: buckeyebrain: abiigdog: scottydoesntknow: stirfrybry: ZAZ: I'll call pothead when smoking is a major part of lifestyle rather than an occasional recreational activity.

When I was last at the dentist they seemed awfully willing to write me a prescription for "the strong stuff". So it isn't just medical MJ cards. Doctors are in the business of making people feel better.

At the conclusion of my last appointment, my doctor asked if there was anything he could 'do' for me.... I used this as an opportunity, and asked for an Adderol prescription.  He got a little antsy and instead referred me to a psychiatrist buddy of his. said it was for all intents and purposes, a methamphetimine, and wasn't comfortable prescribing it.


There is a bullchit program called "Standard of Medical Care".
Defines which docs are expected to prescribe which drugs.
Can't step outside your spec w/o drawing attention.
 
2013-09-17 03:07:07 PM  

OtherBrotherDarryl: Is it a federal crime when you are cited on U.S. parks for littering or other petty crimes? Do you have to appear in Federal court? Never thought about this before...


I had a girlfriend who got busted smoking weed at the Statue of Liberty and it is indeed a federal crime but often treated as a summary offense so if you don't contest it, you can pay a fine and go on your way. That is the way Stacy's dumb adventure went.
 
2013-09-17 03:08:42 PM  

AdamK: patrick767: New Slang: These rangers must be jerks.  Before it was legal, I used to get caught by the cops on several occassions.  The worst thing that ever happened was they kept my stash.

Rangers are bottom feeders, just above mall cop status.

Generalizing people is fun!

Some of those "bottom feeders" save a lot of lives. Check into the work they do in Yosemite, the Grand Canyon, and elsewhere.

They're also by far the most likely federal law enforcement personnel to be assaulted and killed. Bonus: Their pay sucks.

yeah that's a bull farking shiat statement from patrick767


Go fark yourself.
 
2013-09-17 03:09:01 PM  

meanmutton: Well, all pot-related violence is related to cartels and gangs trying to control it.  It's not like someone tokes up, flies into a rage, and beats his wife or something.


That's exactly how it works. The government told me so. If you smoke pot

You will turn in to a rodent and then smoke poison
www.adweek.com

It will turn you in to a worse zombie than meth
www.weouthere.net

Using teh marijuana will cost you money, jobs, friends, and even your SANITY
endofthegame.files.wordpress.com


It will even make you associate with jazz musicians (gasp) and get aggressive
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Really it's not surprising the two camps are so far about. Morans (like Sanjay Gupta) belived the government propaganda without questioning it. In there minds it is an evil substance that destroys lives! And to people who have actually TRIED pot and have socialized with high friends it is clear that the government and antidrug warriors are pants-on-head retarded automatons without a shred of common sense.

I know which one I believe, but I have sympathy for those the government and other well-intentioned fools have misled.
 
2013-09-17 03:09:21 PM  

monoski: OtherBrotherDarryl: Is it a federal crime when you are cited on U.S. parks for littering or other petty crimes? Do you have to appear in Federal court? Never thought about this before...

I had a girlfriend who got busted smoking weed at the Statue of Liberty and it is indeed a federal crime but often treated as a summary offense so if you don't contest it, you can pay a fine and go on your way. That is the way Stacy's dumb adventure went.


So, it is just a fund raiser, eh?
 
2013-09-17 03:09:25 PM  

Carn: Nobody owns the water, it's God's water.


What if someone walks onto your beach, right? Like, let's say you do own it...
 
2013-09-17 03:10:10 PM  
FTFA:    far less than the ounce, or 28 grams, allowed by Washington's recreational pot law, or the 24 ounces allowed by the state's medical marijuana law.

When I first read that, I read both as grams, and it struck me as odd that they allowed more for fun than they allowed for medical purposes.

When I realized that the medical law said "24 ounces" I realized that my first impression was wrong.  But, 24 ounces?  Holy shiat that's a lot of weed.  That is a pound and a farking half of weed.

What is that?  Buy a year's worth and get a discount?
 
2013-09-17 03:10:20 PM  

bluefox3681: Color me surprised that people that were breaking the law before mary jane was legalized will still not give two craps about the law after it is legalized.

Kind of makes you think about the type of character these people have?


Egads, the NERVE of these criminals!!!

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2013-09-17 03:10:47 PM  

BigNumber12: "I've never been arrested in my life, and now I'm being threatened with six months in jail and a $5,000 fine for using my medicine?" she said. "It was my understanding the government was not going to mess with individual patients."


Oh, honey...

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www.maniacworld.com
 
2013-09-17 03:12:26 PM  

GanjSmokr: neversubmit: GanjSmokr: FTFA:Other concerns on the DOJ's list include keeping marijuana away from kids and cartels, preventing drugged driving and pot-related gun violence, and keeping unregulated marijuana grows from spoiling federal land.

How about we just try to prevent pot-related violence in general and stop trying to inject gun-control verbiage everywhere we can?


How about we just prevent violence?

Beer-related gun violence?

I'm good with this. We should try to prevent all violence-related violence.


GanjSmokr: I'm good with this. We should try to prevent all violence-related violence.


Pot would help with that....
 
2013-09-17 03:14:03 PM  

scottydoesntknow: TheDirtyNacho: Could be worse.  Here in TX there are border patrol checkpoints on all the highways leading away from the parks near the border.  Having pot on you when stopped at one of those puts you in jail for the rest of the day... or worse, depending on how much it is.

I remember my friends and I crossing the border one night to go party. Had a great time, got black-out drunk, and my buddy ended up buying some ditch brick from a guy on a bike (who I could swear he pulled out his ass, but I was black-out). Anyway, next morning we're crossing back over, and they flag down our truck for a random search. Everyone starts sweating their asses off because no one could remember what happened to the little baggie.

Dogs come, do a sweep, and then nothing.

As they start walking away, my other friend busts out laughing saying he flushed that shiat right before we left and just wanted to see us freak out.

/CSB


That's pure evil...I love it.
 
2013-09-17 03:17:40 PM  

SpectroBoy: Sanjay Gupta


He must have had a change of heart at some point. He seems to be advocating for it somewhat now....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tShnVEmdS2o
 
2013-09-17 03:19:16 PM  

Strik3r: SpectroBoy: Sanjay Gupta

He must have had a change of heart at some point. He seems to be advocating for it somewhat now....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tShnVEmdS2o


At some point, the rats are gonna flop flip on this and leave the sinking ship.
 
2013-09-17 03:20:01 PM  

neversubmit: GanjSmokr: FTFA:Other concerns on the DOJ's list include keeping marijuana away from kids and cartels, preventing drugged driving and pot-related gun violence, and keeping unregulated marijuana grows from spoiling federal land.

How about we just try to prevent pot-related violence in general and stop trying to inject gun-control verbiage everywhere we can?


How about we just prevent violence?

Beer-related gun violence?


Beer- related gun violence is a real thing. It's why it's illegal to carry a gun in a place serving you alcohol in a lot of states.

/pot-related gun violence as a trend is a ridiculous idea, though.
 
2013-09-17 03:20:42 PM  

Strik3r: SpectroBoy: Sanjay Gupta

He must have had a change of heart at some point. He seems to be advocating for it somewhat now....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tShnVEmdS2o


Yes. Recently he basically realized he had been duped and apologized for his mistake. I can respect that.

But I would respect it more if he hadn't spent YEARS advocating the wrong side, as a doctor, without ever questioning the government party line.

Still he did the right thing and corrected his error best he could.
 
2013-09-17 03:20:46 PM  
Fabulous headline, subby.

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-09-17 03:25:28 PM  

SpectroBoy: Strik3r: SpectroBoy: Sanjay Gupta

He must have had a change of heart at some point. He seems to be advocating for it somewhat now....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tShnVEmdS2o

Yes. Recently he basically realized he had been duped and apologized for his mistake. I can respect that.

But I would respect it more if he hadn't spent YEARS advocating the wrong side, as a doctor, without ever questioning the government party line.

Still he did the right thing and corrected his error best he could.


IMO dude is a shill bought and paid for, there's no farking way that he was "duped", he knew pot was helping people he just chose to make money telling lies, now he's got a doc out and is shilling for that.
 
2013-09-17 03:26:39 PM  

liam76: mediablitz: ZAZ: Karen Strand didn't think she'd get in trouble for having a small container of medical marijuana when she went hiking in Olympic National Park this summer. But a ranger pulled her over on a remote gravel road, and Strand wound up as one of at least 27,700 people cited for having pot on federal land since 2009, according to an Associated Press analysis of federal court data.

Is this a common pothead misconception? A friend of mine acted like Colorado legal = OK to smoke openly on federal land. Luckily no rangers were around.

Wonder how long that stupid word is going to stick around. I guess it makes it easier for you to overlook the fact that the federal government is wasting its time and money busting someone for having a joint?

Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?

Using the word pothead for people who can't be assed out to figure out laws that are pretty clear has nothing to with a stance on federal enforcement of said laws.

If somebody needed alcohol so bad they had to bring it to a park where it wasn't allowed then claimed ignorance of laws on alcohol in a park, I hink the alcoholic lable works.


Good to see you going around being a sanctimonious dick and using specious arguments everywhere.
 
2013-09-17 03:27:27 PM  
upload.wikimedia.orgThis land is their land.
 
2013-09-17 03:27:29 PM  

TanSau: [bachelorhell.files.wordpress.com image 512x384]


One of my favorite lines ever.

"You can't like, own nature, man"
"I can, but only because I'm not a penniless hippie!"
 
2013-09-17 03:27:33 PM  
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2013-09-17 03:27:41 PM  
Won't be long before you need a passport to cross into federal land. If the laws are so different there it might as well be another country.
 
2013-09-17 03:28:35 PM  
President Barack Obama, she remembered, had said the federal government had "bigger fish to fry" than people who follow state marijuana laws, and Washington state had just legalized pot.

Anyone who doesn't understand the difference between making something legal and de-prioritizing enforcement needs to be arrested and lose a couple thousand bucks in fines and court costs for being incredibly ignorant of basic civics and/or just straight-up stupid, honestly.

Maybe this will be a wake-up call and stave off her inevitable death from one day crossing the line into too stupid to remember to breathe.

//Who the fark goes to a national park and doesn't know the park service is its own thing without anything else to do most days, anyhow?  They typically have literally one problem at a time, maybe two, it doesn't matter what order the priority list is, you're at the top.

OtherBrotherDarryl: Is it a federal crime when you are cited on U.S. parks for littering or other petty crimes? Do you have to appear in Federal court? Never thought about this before...


According to Wikipedia... yes.  In fact, littering on nationally-funded highways like interstates is also a federal crime, with a different minimum fine and so on (1000$, where that for most state roads is 500$ or so).  You can also get up to 1 year in prison for more extensive waste disposal in a national park.

Teddy Roosevelt was not a man to fark around with, it seems.

//I know your question was already answered in the context of MPs, just pointing out that it works that way in civilian context, too.
 
2013-09-17 03:28:43 PM  
Gee whiz, the Federal government enforcing Federal laws on Federal land. That is unbelievable.

If you are knowingly doing something illegal (and smoking pot anywhere in the US is illegal) you may want to pay attention to these kinds of things.

Plus, "Not a priority" does not mean "Will not be enforced" so don't be blatant and look up the actual policy (as noted in the article, federal land was stated as an exception to that policy).

When you don't do your reasearch and get caught breaking the law, I have little sympathy for you. Even though the law should be changed.
 
2013-09-17 03:29:19 PM  
cgraves67
>>> Rangers are bottom feeders, just above mall cop status.

Not really. They are much braver than most LEOs.

Citation needed

They face armed suspects more than any other LEOs

Citation needed

they often operate outside of radio or cell phone communication, so they can't call in back-up.

Flat out bullshiat.
 
2013-09-17 03:31:32 PM  

Shrink: Carn: Nobody owns the water, it's God's water.

What if someone walks onto your beach, right? Like, let's say you do own it...


No man, you don't own the beach, you don't own the sand...
 
2013-09-17 03:37:26 PM  

OnlyM3: cgraves67
>>> Rangers are bottom feeders, just above mall cop status.

Not really. They are much braver than most LEOs.
Citation needed

They face armed suspects more than any other LEOs
Citation needed

they often operate outside of radio or cell phone communication, so they can't call in back-up.
Flat out bullshiat.


They deal with a lot of hunters so that's a lot of armed suspects since everyone's a suspect, right?
 
2013-09-17 03:37:27 PM  
Well, what with the sequester and all, we've got to pay for the parks somehow. Sorry, stoners, you got picked. Don't vote for Republicans, and this won't happen to you.
 
2013-09-17 03:39:33 PM  

mediablitz: ZAZ: Karen Strand didn't think she'd get in trouble for having a small container of medical marijuana when she went hiking in Olympic National Park this summer. But a ranger pulled her over on a remote gravel road, and Strand wound up as one of at least 27,700 people cited for having pot on federal land since 2009, according to an Associated Press analysis of federal court data.

Is this a common pothead misconception? A friend of mine acted like Colorado legal = OK to smoke openly on federal land. Luckily no rangers were around.

Wonder how long that stupid word is going to stick around. I guess it makes it easier for you to overlook the fact that the federal government is wasting its time and money busting someone for having a joint?

Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?


Because they are a moron, and a troll?
 
2013-09-17 03:41:55 PM  
thanks for the informative article, subby. there's no way i'm not getting high the next time i go to Olympic National Park (GIS); now i know to be sly about it no matter what washington law might say.

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/have you ever seen the sun rise over the grand canyon... on weed?!?
 
2013-09-17 03:43:39 PM  

Sleeping Monkey: No government agency is going to pass up the opportunity to take money from American citizens.


^This^
 
2013-09-17 03:44:19 PM  

Tom_Slick: Just like I don't want to be hiking in the woods and smell some jack ass smoking a cigarette, I don't want to smell a joint either.


Run, it's the Olfactory police!

/OK, Francis
 
2013-09-17 03:45:13 PM  

T.rex: said it was for all intents and purposes, a methamphetimine, and wasn't comfortable prescribing it.


"a methamphetamine" lol.. like there is more than one meth.  Adderal is it is amphetamine, not methamphetamine.  Amphetamine is what people called "speed" before meth came onto the scene.
 
2013-09-17 03:45:57 PM  
The road to Burning Man was a sea of BLM and Forest Service rangers, with half a dozen officers and a K-9 unit available for every traffic stop, which they would initiate for driving 6mph on the open desert when they stated a 5mph limit (notwithstanding the nonexistence of legal traffic control devices). Cheap pot busts are how they pad their budgets and they're not going to let that go anytime soon.
 
2013-09-17 03:48:11 PM  
In other words, if you want to smoke pot, shoot smack, explode IEDs, whatever else on federal land, do so during the last week of August, all the cops have gone to Burning Man.
 
2013-09-17 03:55:53 PM  
If your state's laws do not align with federal laws, stop visiting federal land.
It's that simple. If you live in Washington, you run the risk of violating federal law even as you're upholding state law, and the federal authorities want your money. If you use or possess marijuana, don't visit federal land for any reason - these assholes are looking for you, because your citations pay their wages.

I wonder how that's going to go, when folks realize that vacationing in a national park could get you inadvertently arrested because, although you're following state law, you're screwed by the difference between state law and federal law?

I know I won't be visiting a national park any time soon, that's for damned sure.
 
2013-09-17 03:59:48 PM  
When you're out trying to enjoy nature, don't forget that it's against the law to enjoy nature.
 
2013-09-17 04:00:11 PM  

Sybarite: Lot of no-go zones there.


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I'm left wondering about the BIA reservations...
 
2013-09-17 04:04:36 PM  

OnlyM3: cgraves67
>>> Rangers are bottom feeders, just above mall cop status.

Not really. They are much braver than most LEOs.
Citation needed

They face armed suspects more than any other LEOs
Citation needed

they often operate outside of radio or cell phone communication, so they can't call in back-up.
Flat out bullshiat.


Let's try this one. The interviewee addresses all of the items I stated:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4709159

Here's another one:

http://work.chron.com/hazards-being-forest-ranger-21162.html

They face more armed people because 1) they check a lot of hunters, 2) because they are in the places where poachers operate, 3) drug smugglers run through Parks, 4) people carry guns where there is wildlife for *usually unnecessary* protection and it's legal to do so in national Parks now, although legality rarely stopped anyone who wanted to in the past.

Furthermore, I infer that they are braver because they have higher risks on the job than other federal LEOs, and are aware of the higher risks, but they choose to perform the necessary job anyway for whatever reason.

And my last part is poorly worded. Allow me to clarify. When Rangers are operating in mountainous regions, radio and cellular contact is sporadic at best. If they are out of radio contact, they may have to move several miles in order to make contact with their base and call for help. That's not easy if they become wounded in the line of duty. It may not even be possible if they are in a situation where a bad person or animal gets the upper hand on them. And as one article states, back-up could be hours away.
 
2013-09-17 04:12:47 PM  
It's decriminalized in my city, but every single f--king year dumbass kids smoke on state university property.  Where it isn't.  They literally could cross the street most of the times and have a (iirc) $15 ticket and nothing on their record.  But instead (again, iirc) they lose access to federal funding for college.  A+ job, folks.

I don't really have sympathy.  It's one thing if you've got a legit medical card and happen to live in subsidized housing and get caught smoking.  It's quite another when you're an able bodied person who can't be assed to figure out where you probably shouldn't smoke in your INCREDIBLY LENIENT environment/state/city.

Sheesh.
 
2013-09-17 04:15:51 PM  
To be fair, I begrudgingly have a bit of sympathy for folks driving on normal looking roads that just happen to turn into Federal property.

But as for the lady with the piece on the table - again, it's a tiny fine in my city.  But even so, I made sure my medical card carrying roommate never left any paraphernalia out in the living room.  Because it's common sense, and common courtesy if I have friends/relatives over who don't smoke (I don't have to sweep the damn living room, kitchen, etc.).

If you're done smoking, put it away.  Don't leave stuff out in the open.
 
2013-09-17 04:17:58 PM  
Well state law says that it's illegal to toke up in public punishable by a $100 fine.
 
2013-09-17 04:24:27 PM  
Strand, 36, was pulled over for having a broken taillight, and the ranger reported that he could smell fresh pot.

If he can smell pot while you are driving, then WTF ARE YOU DOING? Drinking while driving is illegal, even for passengers. Treating pot similarly seems like a no-brainer.
 
2013-09-17 04:26:55 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: your INCREDIBLY LENIENT environment/state/city.


It is remarkable how some areas will now only make you pay a fine for the unbelievable privilege of personal choice.  It does, indeed, defy credulity.  Would you contend that kissing rings expresses adequate gratitude, or would you throw decorum to the wind and just lick their boots?
 
2013-09-17 04:31:43 PM  

Jument: Strand, 36, was pulled over for having a broken taillight, and the ranger reported that he could smell fresh pot.

If he can smell pot while you are driving, then WTF ARE YOU DOING? Drinking while driving is illegal, even for passengers. Treating pot similarly seems like a no-brainer.


it didn't say smoked pot...
 
2013-09-17 04:39:08 PM  

give me doughnuts: 0.1 grams?
Normal (and NORML) people call that being out of pot.


Its called rolling a pinner
 
2013-09-17 04:39:26 PM  
" He came to make sure her dog was on a leash, but then saw an empty pipe on the picnic table.  With his hand on his gun, she said, the ranger demanded she turn over whatever pot she had"

Yea I'm pretty sure there was a credible threat here...
 
2013-09-17 04:46:01 PM  
When I worked for the District court I decided to stop in on a day where one of the judges decided to schedule all the pending citations (traffic and misdemeanor) and it was interesting to see the people's reaction expecting a Mickey Mouse court date like they normally would get in a state court and realize that they were infront of a very serious federal judge. Some people got the clue real quick and things went smoothly for then. Others not so much.
 
2013-09-17 05:00:38 PM  
just leave the weed at home
 
2013-09-17 05:03:09 PM  

Lerxst2k: [upload.wikimedia.org image 850x653]This land is their land.


I'm looking at that map, and damn near half of Colorado appears to be federally controlled land. Recreational retail cannabis sales become a reality in about 3.5 months there... up to a full ounce, IIRC.

An understanding of some sort will need to be reached. Soon.
 
2013-09-17 05:09:45 PM  
This is why national legalization is needed now, because that's just a stupid thing that it can be legal and not legal inside the same state.  Seriously, WTF.

Well, if the motherfreaking Ranger can ski better than me, well he can try and write me a ticket, but seriously, it would be far more productive for him to stalk the snowboarders who leave their empty PBR cans in the woods all winter.

As to the pants wetters, honestly, back in 1972, I thought they would all be dead by now and weed would have been legal by 2000, but no, it seems that the Ainsworth Prohibitionist brigade is still big, strong and in power - well that and the rest of the entrenched interests - those being cops, courts, jailers, lawyers, rehab centers, drug testing companies, drug policy compliance policy development nuts, and etc. and etc.  All of these peoples very reason for living is being taken away from them, and by the very people they want to BELIEVE they are Protecting from the Scourge that is Marijuana.

And the level of derp that exists about Marijuana makes party politics look like a game of Parchiise.

The cops are afraid they won't be able to use that joint in the pocket to intimidate people into flipping their dealer, and so on up the line - the cops might have to WORK for a living now.  What a pity.  And for every Rehab center for marijuana that goes out of business, we should throw a party!
 
2013-09-17 05:10:16 PM  

OtherBrotherDarryl: Is it a federal crime when you are cited on U.S. parks for littering or other petty crimes? Do you have to appear in Federal court? Never thought about this before...


Yes. Someone I know has been cited for drinking in a Nat Fotest before.
 
2013-09-17 05:11:28 PM  
Dyslexia caused me to be a finalist in America's Next Pot Model.
 
2013-09-17 05:19:29 PM  
But ... states' rights!
Plan not thunk all the way through, legalizing states.
 
2013-09-17 05:20:15 PM  
Don't they have anything better to do? When it comes to pot, I could take it or leave it, but I find it absolutely absurd that someone can get in trouble for possessing a small piece of a naturally occurring plant.
 
2013-09-17 05:29:04 PM  

fanbladesaresharp: New Slang: These rangers must be jerks.  Before it was legal, I used to get caught by the cops on several occassions.  The worst thing that ever happened was they kept my stash.

Rangers are bottom feeders, just above mall cop status.

They also have federal backing, which mall cops have none of. Hell even Fish and Game can make your life very, very difficult these days. When you're making opinions, try to stay on this side of the dirt too.

The point is: don't be stupid about it. When you grow on federal land, what methods do you use? How do you get your water? Did you cut down any trees and clear land? How many critters did you kill with all the fertilizers and rodentcide? This shiat happens. A lot, especially in my part of the "free land to be owned by no one". You have squatters in the general sense, and you also have a certain segment of people that will squat on anything, for any reason, and make the arguement "it's my tax dollars! I should be able to do as I please with it!" Believe me, SoOR and NorCal are full of those types. (kind of goes back to that whole State of Jefferson thing with people, but that's for another day).

Again, quit being a moran about it. A lot of fed lands are for the benefit of everyone, not just your damn self and you're grow op and trying to hide behind the ignorance of law. Give it time, and it could become something as simple as getting a permit for gathering firewood or a burn permit for slash burning, or just a fishing permit. But it won't happen unless you start complying with some of the laws, regardless of one's person's opinions about it.

Another actual concern about it, is burning material in forests that are tinderboxes. If you burn your thumb sparking up your fatty or pipe (or a cigarette you're done with), and you toss it to the ground, are you prepared to put out a forest fire? I know that sounds pretty extreme, but it's a real argument around here.

I know of many people who have grown weed or still do that think they ...


Dude, I didn't make the assumption that New Slang was talking about growing weed, just getting caught toking up. Based on that, I agree that Federal LEOs should STFU and GBTW when it comes to personal weed use. I'm with you on fighting against grow ops in Federal forests. Legalization would help; no one is distilling booze in our parks...
 
2013-09-17 05:31:14 PM  

captcurt: Dyslexia caused me to be a finalist in America's Next Pot Model.


Dyslexic devil worshippers sell their souls to Santa.
 
2013-09-17 05:32:00 PM  
"It's a beautiful place up there," Thomas Strand said. "And I don't know if I'll ever go back."

Don't let the door on the VW mini bus hit you on the ass.
 
2013-09-17 05:34:16 PM  

randomjsa: Ah the age old 'because it's legal somewhere I'm entitled to do it anywhere' idea.


I agree that sentiment isn't a good reflection of the way things actually work, but it's not exactly intuitive to think "If I step 4 inches to the left, the thing I'm doing right now will become illegal even though the people, culture, geography, infrastructure, etc. are all identical" -- the geopolitical boundaries that are part of modern life are very abstract. And the situation isn't helped by the fact that "federal lands", particularly rural sites, typically do not have well-marked boundaries.
 
2013-09-17 05:36:38 PM  
Well, I guess we've solved all the other problems, better go after the hikers getting baked. Shiat like this going on and people wonder why the US is a laughingstock around the world.
 
2013-09-17 05:40:05 PM  

FormlessOne: I know I won't be visiting a national park any time soon, that's for damned sure.


If it was just national parks it wouldn't be such a problem. But there are hundreds of federal sites in WA making up a significant proportion of the total land area -- western states are lousy with federal land. For example, I'm not sure you can get across the Cascades without crossing through federal land.
 
2013-09-17 05:45:29 PM  

ZAZ: OtherBrotherDarryl

Yes, petty crimes go to federal court if a federal LEO cites you. In a few places you can get federal speeding ticket on what looks like an ordinary city street or state highway. The DC area parkways are federal land, for example.

If you get a marijuana citation on federal land some courts will treat it as a real crime. That may mean six months real probation, with regular reporting and testing, if you don't go to jail.


Makes me happy that in my state, the good land belongs to the state, while the crappy parts no one goes on except to hunt, belong to the feds.
 
2013-09-17 05:50:09 PM  
It's my day off so I'm really getting a kick out of this thread.
 
2013-09-17 05:50:53 PM  

profplump: randomjsa: Ah the age old 'because it's legal somewhere I'm entitled to do it anywhere' idea.

I agree that sentiment isn't a good reflection of the way things actually work, but it's not exactly intuitive to think "If I step 4 inches to the left, the thing I'm doing right now will become illegal even though the people, culture, geography, infrastructure, etc. are all identical" -- the geopolitical boundaries that are part of modern life are very abstract. And the situation isn't helped by the fact that "federal lands", particularly rural sites, typically do not have well-marked boundaries.


There are already thousands upon thousands upon thousands of places in the US where taking one step cause an action to go from innoccuos to illegal. Every municipality and state border, plus many existing rules for Federal land and protected areas.

This doesn't make anything different. And no matter what the state of Washington says, marijuana is still completely illegal in the entirety of that state (even if the Federal government said they would not prioritize enforcing that fact outside of Federal lands).
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-09-17 05:55:29 PM  
profplump

It's also technically illegal to possess marijuana off federal land. Don't worry so much about the legal problems, but about the practical problems. You won't get busted for simple possession unless you meet a federal LEO. Who watches I-90: park rangers or state patrol?

When my friend wanted to smoke on the porch I didn't say anything. It's state legal there and I doubted the FBI was watching. In a national park, off the main highway, I felt obliged to warn that park rangers would not look the other way like city cops.
 
2013-09-17 06:01:56 PM  

Mr_Fabulous: Lerxst2k: [upload.wikimedia.org image 850x653]This land is their land.

I'm looking at that map, and damn near half of Colorado appears to be federally controlled land. Recreational retail cannabis sales become a reality in about 3.5 months there... up to a full ounce, IIRC.

An understanding of some sort will need to be reached. Soon.


In all fairness, while it's not illegal as such, you're very much not really supposed to smoke tobacco in national parks either.  Smoking in general is farking famous for starting forest fires.  Technically they can't arrest you and fine you until you actually leave a butt behind (usually, depending on park policy) but they pretty much want to from the time they see smoke in your mouth, and are likely looking for a reason.

The ranger that catches you will probably be much more inclined to be friendly if you're using a self-contained vaporizer or something instead.
 
2013-09-17 06:10:12 PM  

mediablitz: ZAZ: Karen Strand didn't think she'd get in trouble for having a small container of medical marijuana when she went hiking in Olympic National Park this summer. But a ranger pulled her over on a remote gravel road, and Strand wound up as one of at least 27,700 people cited for having pot on federal land since 2009, according to an Associated Press analysis of federal court data.

Is this a common pothead misconception? A friend of mine acted like Colorado legal = OK to smoke openly on federal land. Luckily no rangers were around.

Wonder how long that stupid word is going to stick around. I guess it makes it easier for you to overlook the fact that the federal government is wasting its time and money busting someone for having a joint?

Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?


Yeah, I have junk does that make me a junkie?  I have drugs, does that make me a druggie? I have an ass and I have a hat does that....well...you get the point!
 
2013-09-17 06:13:16 PM  

James10952001: Don't they have anything better to do? When it comes to pot, I could take it or leave it, but I find it absolutely absurd that someone can get in trouble for possessing a small piece of a naturally occurring plant.


Uranium is naturally occurring. Should it be available at every corner store?
 
2013-09-17 06:13:50 PM  

stewbert: Dude, I didn't make the assumption that New Slang was talking about growing weed, just getting caught toking up. Based on that, I agree that Federal LEOs should STFU and GBTW when it comes to personal weed use. I'm with you on fighting against grow ops in Federal forests. Legalization would help; no one is distilling booze in our parks...


Nah, it's good. I think we're on the same page. Legalization can be fun!!! And I don't smoke shiat, but I'm also not one of those anti-zealouts that lose their minds when they decide to quit doing something (we all have our vices) What is NOT fun? Having a gun pulled on you in a park because you got too close to someone's camp or grow, and all you want to do is go for a hike or go fishing. Christ, I've had to call county code enforcement recently on a couple things because a "stream restoration project" was anything but that. Want to live off the land? Then start taking care of it too when out in the sticks. I'm not after anyone's weed or shine, but would it kill people to at least not start a fire or blow themselves up?
 
2013-09-17 06:16:58 PM  
31.media.tumblr.com

/*I* can, but that's because I'm not a penniless hippie.
 
2013-09-17 06:21:46 PM  

dywed88: There are already thousands upon thousands upon thousands of places in the US where taking one step cause an action to go from innoccuos to illegal. Every municipality and state border, plus many existing rules for Federal land and protected areas. This doesn't make anything different.


I'm not sure why you're arguing with me. I'm not saying the feds are technically wrong here. I'm just saying the system of geopolitical-based rule making is not intuitive, has detrimental outcomes, and is not the only way we could organize things.
 
2013-09-17 06:22:32 PM  
ITG time.

Who the fark gets ticketed by a park ranger? That's like getting a citation from a mall cop. I mean, common fear of government force aside, how do you meet someone in the forest miles away from anything and let them boss you around for ID and such?

Pothead: "My gun is bigger and no one knows who I am or that I'm out here."

Ranger: "...I will let you go with a warning."

Or even better, just push him in a river and run. The fed can't find people lost in national parks who want to be found, how the hell are they going to find someone deliberately hiding?
 
2013-09-17 06:23:14 PM  

xevian: ZAZ: OtherBrotherDarryl

Yes, petty crimes go to federal court if a federal LEO cites you. In a few places you can get federal speeding ticket on what looks like an ordinary city street or state highway. The DC area parkways are federal land, for example.

If you get a marijuana citation on federal land some courts will treat it as a real crime. That may mean six months real probation, with regular reporting and testing, if you don't go to jail.

Makes me happy that in my state, the good land belongs to the state, while the crappy parts no one goes on except to hunt, belong to the feds.


I was going to say "so you live in Nevada?" but I see it's CA. Dude, you're doing it wrong. Or you don't get outside of the Bay Area much.
 
2013-09-17 06:24:09 PM  
It is terribly simple. If an activity is illegal on the federal level, you don't do it on federal land. Doesn't matter if it is legal in the state, federal law supercedes. Any idiot stoner should be able to comprehend this.
 
2013-09-17 06:24:32 PM  

ZAZ: Who watches I-90: park rangers or state patrol?


Playing the odds on which branch of law enforcement you'll interact with is not a good plan for anyone -- individuals, cops, and society are all harmed by the unequal application of law.

And if you'd bother to read the article you'd find at least one example of someone driving along on a normal road that just happened to be in federal land
 
2013-09-17 06:26:02 PM  

Bandito King: ITG time.

Who the fark gets ticketed by a park ranger? That's like getting a citation from a mall cop. I mean, common fear of government force aside, how do you meet someone in the forest miles away from anything and let them boss you around for ID and such?

Pothead: "My gun is bigger and no one knows who I am or that I'm out here."

Ranger: "...I will let you go with a warning."

Or even better, just push him in a river and run. The fed can't find people lost in national parks who want to be found, how the hell are they going to find someone deliberately hiding?


I encourage you to try exactly this and report back to the class with your results. Please.
 
2013-09-17 06:26:09 PM  

profplump: dywed88: There are already thousands upon thousands upon thousands of places in the US where taking one step cause an action to go from innoccuos to illegal. Every municipality and state border, plus many existing rules for Federal land and protected areas. This doesn't make anything different.

I'm not sure why you're arguing with me. I'm not saying the feds are technically wrong here. I'm just saying the system of geopolitical-based rule making is not intuitive, has detrimental outcomes, and is not the only way we could organize things.


I am pointing out that this is hardly a unique occurance.

Should all municipal laws and bylaws be brought into line? What about the laws in each state?

What makes this one case of a law depending on geographical borders affecting laws different (even though it doesn't actually do that, it is just selective enforcement, something also very common) special from the multitudes of others?
 
2013-09-17 06:27:51 PM  

Bandito King: ITG time.

Who the fark gets ticketed by a park ranger? That's like getting a citation from a mall cop. I mean, common fear of government force aside, how do you meet someone in the forest miles away from anything and let them boss you around for ID and such?

Pothead: "My gun is bigger and no one knows who I am or that I'm out here."

Ranger: "...I will let you go with a warning."

Or even better, just push him in a river and run. The fed can't find people lost in national parks who want to be found, how the hell are they going to find someone deliberately hiding?


www.migdale.com
radios are faster than you are.
 
2013-09-17 06:28:24 PM  

profplump: FormlessOne: I know I won't be visiting a national park any time soon, that's for damned sure.

If it was just national parks it wouldn't be such a problem. But there are hundreds of federal sites in WA making up a significant proportion of the total land area -- western states are lousy with federal land. For example, I'm not sure you can get across the Cascades without crossing through federal land.


Nope ya can't. You'd have to learn how to thread a needle with private property owners or a plethora of "conservatory" clubs to just hike on across it. You have a better chance just getting a permit to cut a xmas tree or salvage logs after a forest fire. But that's kind of how it's always been.
 
2013-09-17 06:35:24 PM  

dywed88: profplump: randomjsa: Ah the age old 'because it's legal somewhere I'm entitled to do it anywhere' idea.

I agree that sentiment isn't a good reflection of the way things actually work, but it's not exactly intuitive to think "If I step 4 inches to the left, the thing I'm doing right now will become illegal even though the people, culture, geography, infrastructure, etc. are all identical" -- the geopolitical boundaries that are part of modern life are very abstract. And the situation isn't helped by the fact that "federal lands", particularly rural sites, typically do not have well-marked boundaries.

There are already thousands upon thousands upon thousands of places in the US where taking one step cause an action to go from innoccuos to illegal. Every municipality and state border, plus many existing rules for Federal land and protected areas.

This doesn't make anything different. And no matter what the state of Washington says, marijuana is still completely illegal in the entirety of that state (even if the Federal government said they would not prioritize enforcing that fact outside of Federal lands).


A: We have a moral obligation to disobey unjust laws.

B: Why do you believe that the will of legislators is more important than the will of the people they represent?

C: Why do you believe that anyone's opinion on marijuana use is more important than an adult who has decided that's the substance they want to inhale with their body? Would you let someone tell you you're not allowed to eat bread or get a tattoo?
 
2013-09-17 06:43:10 PM  

Russ1642: Won't be long before you need a passport to cross into federal land. If the laws are so different there it might as well be another country.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4Ku17CqdZg
 
2013-09-17 06:45:20 PM  
The_Original_Roxtar:
radios are faster than you are.

gadian:
I encourage you to try exactly this and report back to the class with your results. Please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXRVZKfnVFg
 
2013-09-17 06:47:43 PM  
Can we do this to the tobacco smokers, too?
 
2013-09-17 07:01:03 PM  

Bandito King: The_Original_Roxtar:
radios are faster than you are.

gadian:
I encourage you to try exactly this and report back to the class with your results. Please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXRVZKfnVFg


Youtube doesn't count. Neither does Wiki. Try better.
 
2013-09-17 07:02:36 PM  

profplump: FormlessOne: I know I won't be visiting a national park any time soon, that's for damned sure.

If it was just national parks it wouldn't be such a problem. But there are hundreds of federal sites in WA making up a significant proportion of the total land area -- western states are lousy with federal land. For example, I'm not sure you can get across the Cascades without crossing through federal land.


No argument there - my point was "avoid giving money to the federal government", more or less.

The sequester has meant that agencies are looking to monetize in any way possible, and this is a lovely way for the Federal Park Service to easily fatten their ledger while staying well within the letter of the law. The only way to avoid having park rangers "farming" people for citations is to avoid the parks in which the park rangers have jurisdiction. There are quite a few other federal sites that aren't as heavily patrolled or policed, so risk remains low, but federal park rangers are apparently taking an active role in seeking out potential marijuana users specifically to cite them, and a $5,000 shakedown for a few hundred bucks per citation is still a good deal for them.
 
2013-09-17 07:12:58 PM  
What a bunch of bullshiat.  I want big nanny state government for lots of other things but not for this!
 
2013-09-17 07:18:31 PM  

Bandito King: ITG time.

Who the fark gets ticketed by a park ranger? That's like getting a citation from a mall cop. I mean, common fear of government force aside, how do you meet someone in the forest miles away from anything and let them boss you around for ID and such?

Pothead: "My gun is bigger and no one knows who I am or that I'm out here."

Ranger: "...I will let you go with a warning."

Or even better, just push him in a river and run. The fed can't find people lost in national parks who want to be found, how the hell are they going to find someone deliberately hiding?


First, most of these people probably aren't out in the middle of nowhere. They will be on roads or popular areas.

Second, most people aren't psycopaths.

Third, the size of your gun doesn't matter when you are a few feet away, and he is probably better trained and more experienced.

Fourth, even a very small chance of being caught committing murder is a LOT worse than a citation for having pot.

Fifth, if you don't murder him, he has a good description of you and you will probably see some heavily armed agents in your vicinity in the near future, with charges a lot worse than getting caught with weed.

Need any more?
 
2013-09-17 07:18:47 PM  

paygun: What a bunch of bullshiat.  I want big nanny state government for lots of other things but not for this!


But then who will keep the wilderness looking like the beautiful green natural forests where all the animals get along with each other and work in perfect harmony together like we see on the Discovery Channel, instead of the disgusting weed-choked garbage-strewn parasite-infested slaughterhouse it turns into if it's not carefully managed?
 
2013-09-17 07:24:51 PM  

mediablitz: ZAZ: Karen Strand didn't think she'd get in trouble for having a small container of medical marijuana when she went hiking in Olympic National Park this summer. But a ranger pulled her over on a remote gravel road, and Strand wound up as one of at least 27,700 people cited for having pot on federal land since 2009, according to an Associated Press analysis of federal court data.

Is this a common pothead misconception? A friend of mine acted like Colorado legal = OK to smoke openly on federal land. Luckily no rangers were around.

Wonder how long that stupid word is going to stick around. I guess it makes it easier for you to overlook the fact that the federal government is wasting its time and money busting someone for having a joint?

Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?


Because ZAZ is a regressive asshole. Why ask - you already knew that.
 
2013-09-17 07:26:58 PM  

Bandito King: dywed88: profplump: randomjsa: Ah the age old 'because it's legal somewhere I'm entitled to do it anywhere' idea.

I agree that sentiment isn't a good reflection of the way things actually work, but it's not exactly intuitive to think "If I step 4 inches to the left, the thing I'm doing right now will become illegal even though the people, culture, geography, infrastructure, etc. are all identical" -- the geopolitical boundaries that are part of modern life are very abstract. And the situation isn't helped by the fact that "federal lands", particularly rural sites, typically do not have well-marked boundaries.

There are already thousands upon thousands upon thousands of places in the US where taking one step cause an action to go from innoccuos to illegal. Every municipality and state border, plus many existing rules for Federal land and protected areas.

This doesn't make anything different. And no matter what the state of Washington says, marijuana is still completely illegal in the entirety of that state (even if the Federal government said they would not prioritize enforcing that fact outside of Federal lands).

A: We have a moral obligation to disobey unjust laws.

B: Why do you believe that the will of legislators is more important than the will of the people they represent?

C: Why do you believe that anyone's opinion on marijuana use is more important than an adult who has decided that's the substance they want to inhale with their body? Would you let someone tell you you're not allowed to eat bread or get a tattoo?


I think marijuana should be legal (and pretty much all other recreational drugs).

We don't have any moral obligation to disobey unjust laws. You may not have a moral obligation to obey them, but those are two completely different things. And it isn't like these people were protesting the law or anything.

I have no sympathy for some idiots that got cited for committing (what they knew, or had every reason to know, to be) a crime. When a little common sense would let them do the same thing with no penalty.
 
2013-09-17 07:28:22 PM  
dywed88:
First, most of these people probably aren't out in the middle of nowhere. They will be on roads or popular areas.

Second, most people aren't psycopaths.

Third, the size of your gun doesn't matter when you are a few feet away, and he is probably better trained and more experienced.

Fourth, even a very small chance of being caught committing murder is a LOT worse than a citation for having pot.

Fifth, if you don't murder him, he has a good description of you and you will probably see some heavily armed agents in your vicinity in the near future, with charges a lot worse than getting caught with weed.

Need any more?


Honestly, you lost me at 2. I started looking up the differences between socio and psycho pathologies and you might be onto something there.

Gun size thing was a joke dude, I hate guns.
 
2013-09-17 07:32:36 PM  

Russ1642: James10952001: Don't they have anything better to do? When it comes to pot, I could take it or leave it, but I find it absolutely absurd that someone can get in trouble for possessing a small piece of a naturally occurring plant.

Uranium is naturally occurring. Should it be available at every corner store?



Sure, why not?.  Uranium used to be fairly common in glass and colored glazes.  Natural uranium is mostly U-238, which is mostly as harmless as other heavy metals like lead.  It takes a whole lot of massively expensive and difficult processing to separate out the weaponizable U-235 isotope.

Now plutonium on the other hand, contrary to the expectations of scientists in 1955, probably shouldn't be sold at the corner store.
 
2013-09-17 07:33:56 PM  

Bandito King: dywed88:
First, most of these people probably aren't out in the middle of nowhere. They will be on roads or popular areas.

Second, most people aren't psycopaths.

Third, the size of your gun doesn't matter when you are a few feet away, and he is probably better trained and more experienced.

Fourth, even a very small chance of being caught committing murder is a LOT worse than a citation for having pot.

Fifth, if you don't murder him, he has a good description of you and you will probably see some heavily armed agents in your vicinity in the near future, with charges a lot worse than getting caught with weed.

Need any more?

Honestly, you lost me at 2. I started looking up the differences between socio and psycho pathologies and you might be onto something there.

Gun size thing was a joke dude, I hate guns.


Taking murder off the list of options doesn't improve your situation much. If you are caught you really are better off just cooperating most of the time.
 
2013-09-17 07:36:43 PM  

buckeyebrain: abiigdog: scottydoesntknow: stirfrybry: ZAZ: I'll call pothead when smoking is a major part of lifestyle rather than an occasional recreational activity.

Like when it's used for medicinal purposes. Those potheads should just deal with their cancer. Eat something already!

That's pretty stupid. Do you call patients needing pain medication "pill-poppers"? No. When it's required to live a somewhat normal life, then it's not a recreational activity.

Unfortunately for you all the recreational smokers claim (gasp) medicinal requirement to the point where no one believes you anymore, the pot culture shot themselves in the foot on that one.

"Hey, man!  I have cold, man!  Can I get a pot card, Doctor Man?"
"Heeeeey, sure, man!  I can do that over the phone, man!  You don't even need to come to the office, man!"


You haven't been near anyone smoking pot since 1972 have you? Come on, you can admit it.
 
2013-09-17 07:38:48 PM  

meanmutton: I absolutely hate the decriminalization bullshiat that we have going on.  Make it farking legal and get it over with.  Having it be inconsistently applied, with some wink-and-nudge-not-going-to-charge-you or some "prescription" you get for $59 from someone advertising on temporary signs at expressway offramps is ridiculous.

Make it legal, legitimate companies will make it, it'll get destigmatized, most people will consume it as edibles, and we can get on with this idiocy.


That is the first rational comment of the thread.
 
2013-09-17 07:44:03 PM  

liam76: mediablitz: ZAZ: Karen Strand didn't think she'd get in trouble for having a small container of medical marijuana when she went hiking in Olympic National Park this summer. But a ranger pulled her over on a remote gravel road, and Strand wound up as one of at least 27,700 people cited for having pot on federal land since 2009, according to an Associated Press analysis of federal court data.

Is this a common pothead misconception? A friend of mine acted like Colorado legal = OK to smoke openly on federal land. Luckily no rangers were around.

Wonder how long that stupid word is going to stick around. I guess it makes it easier for you to overlook the fact that the federal government is wasting its time and money busting someone for having a joint?

Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?

Using the word pothead for people who can't be assed out to figure out laws that are pretty clear has nothing to with a stance on federal enforcement of said laws.

If somebody needed alcohol so bad they had to bring it to a park where it wasn't allowed then claimed ignorance of laws on alcohol in a park, I hink the alcoholic lable works.


Says the dickwad who has never hiked to the top of a mountain and cracked a beer at the summit. Or puffed a J just because you were out in nature and felt like enjoying a natural drug.

STFU dude - your shiat is weak.

/shiat's weak
 
2013-09-17 07:49:42 PM  

Internet Meme Rogers: liam76: mediablitz: ZAZ: Karen Strand didn't think she'd get in trouble for having a small container of medical marijuana when she went hiking in Olympic National Park this summer. But a ranger pulled her over on a remote gravel road, and Strand wound up as one of at least 27,700 people cited for having pot on federal land since 2009, according to an Associated Press analysis of federal court data.

Is this a common pothead misconception? A friend of mine acted like Colorado legal = OK to smoke openly on federal land. Luckily no rangers were around.

Wonder how long that stupid word is going to stick around. I guess it makes it easier for you to overlook the fact that the federal government is wasting its time and money busting someone for having a joint?

Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?

Using the word pothead for people who can't be assed out to figure out laws that are pretty clear has nothing to with a stance on federal enforcement of said laws.

If somebody needed alcohol so bad they had to bring it to a park where it wasn't allowed then claimed ignorance of laws on alcohol in a park, I hink the alcoholic lable works.

Good to see you going around being a sanctimonious dick and using specious arguments everywhere.


Thanks for your brilliant addition to the thread.

Doesn't top your last gem of claiming I am a secret supporter of the Catholic Church for pointing out people should focus on what they did instead of amping people up by ripping pictures with no context.

But the thread is young, I am sure you can too your stupid from last time.
 
2013-09-17 07:51:11 PM  

Coconice: FTFA:    far less than the ounce, or 28 grams, allowed by Washington's recreational pot law, or the 24 ounces allowed by the state's medical marijuana law.

When I first read that, I read both as grams, and it struck me as odd that they allowed more for fun than they allowed for medical purposes.

When I realized that the medical law said "24 ounces" I realized that my first impression was wrong.  But, 24 ounces?  Holy shiat that's a lot of weed.  That is a pound and a farking half of weed.

What is that?  Buy a year's worth and get a discount?


Maybe the weight of whatever medibles you bought? I haven't looked into it but yea that's a lot of marijuana.
 
2013-09-17 07:58:04 PM  

the801: thanks for the informative article, subby. there's no way i'm not getting high the next time i go to Olympic National Park (GIS); now i know to be sly about it no matter what washington law might say.

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/have you ever seen the sun rise over the grand canyon... on weed?!?


Nice pic. Rialto, 3rd Beach, or...?
 
2013-09-17 08:00:56 PM  

Lerxst2k: [upload.wikimedia.org image 850x653]This land is their land.


Wait, the state of Nevada is almost entirely Federal property?
 
2013-09-17 08:01:41 PM  

dywed88: Bandito King: dywed88:
First, most of these people probably aren't out in the middle of nowhere. They will be on roads or popular areas.

Second, most people aren't psycopaths.

Third, the size of your gun doesn't matter when you are a few feet away, and he is probably better trained and more experienced.

Fourth, even a very small chance of being caught committing murder is a LOT worse than a citation for having pot.

Fifth, if you don't murder him, he has a good description of you and you will probably see some heavily armed agents in your vicinity in the near future, with charges a lot worse than getting caught with weed.

Need any more?

Honestly, you lost me at 2. I started looking up the differences between socio and psycho pathologies and you might be onto something there.

Gun size thing was a joke dude, I hate guns.

Taking murder off the list of options doesn't improve your situation much. If you are caught you really are better off just cooperating most of the time.


Whoah, there. I said I hate guns, not that I'm limiting options.

In terms of "keeping your head down and getting by" you are of course right that cooperating with armed fascists is the easiest and safest route to take. For now, at least. And we are probably a very long way off from the US becoming some Congo-esque hellhole where you can do whatever you want until you're killed by machete gorillas.

So enjoy doing... whatever it is the government allows you to do today.
 
2013-09-17 08:02:59 PM  
But nobody owns the water. God owns the water.

unrealitymag.bcmediagroup.netdna-cdn.com

It's God's water.
 
2013-09-17 08:11:03 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: But ... states' rights!
Plan not thunk all the way through, legalizing states.


No we "thunk it through" just fine. WTF are you doing in your state? Sitting with your thumb up your ass and your index finger up your nose in your mom's basement? Thought so.
 
2013-09-17 08:11:43 PM  

Bandito King: dywed88: Bandito King: dywed88:
First, most of these people probably aren't out in the middle of nowhere. They will be on roads or popular areas.

Second, most people aren't psycopaths.

Third, the size of your gun doesn't matter when you are a few feet away, and he is probably better trained and more experienced.

Fourth, even a very small chance of being caught committing murder is a LOT worse than a citation for having pot.

Fifth, if you don't murder him, he has a good description of you and you will probably see some heavily armed agents in your vicinity in the near future, with charges a lot worse than getting caught with weed.

Need any more?

Honestly, you lost me at 2. I started looking up the differences between socio and psycho pathologies and you might be onto something there.

Gun size thing was a joke dude, I hate guns.

Taking murder off the list of options doesn't improve your situation much. If you are caught you really are better off just cooperating most of the time.

Whoah, there. I said I hate guns, not that I'm limiting options.

In terms of "keeping your head down and getting by" you are of course right that cooperating with armed fascists is the easiest and safest route to take. For now, at least. And we are probably a very long way off from the US becoming some Congo-esque hellhole where you can do whatever you want until you're killed by machete gorillas.

So enjoy doing... whatever it is the government allows you to do today.


Here I thought I was dealing to Internet Tough Guy, but it was really Crazy Idiot.
 
2013-09-17 08:13:17 PM  
The story always leaves the part out where the people got huge attitudes with the cop and probably shot their mouths off trying to be street lawyers.   Do you people honestly think every person that ever got with weed on federal land got charged?  Hell no.  Only assholes get tickets like this.
 
2013-09-17 08:16:06 PM  

Sybarite: Lot of no-go zones there.


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jakerinard.com

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www.humanevents.com
 
2013-09-17 08:18:04 PM  

my lip balm addiction: liam76:Using the word pothead for people who can't be assed out to figure out laws that are pretty clear has nothing to with a stance on federal enforcement of said laws.

If somebody needed alcohol so bad they had to bring it to a park where it wasn't allowed then claimed ignorance of laws on alcohol in a park, I hink the alcoholic lable works.

Says the dickwad who has never hiked to the top of a mountain and cracked a beer at the summit. Or puffed a J just because you were out in nature and felt like enjoying a natural drug.

STFU dude - your shiat is weak.

/shiat's weak


Nowhere did I say I have never cracked a beer on the summit of a mountain. Most of my park visits since I turned 17 have involved alcohol.

Nowhere did I begrudge people whop want smoke up on a mountain.

Nowhere did I say I am for the current policies towards either in national parks.

What I was saying is if you are dumb enough not to know the laws are different on federal land, or dumb enough to think you can get away with breaking them by crying ignorance, you do deserve scorn. Now if you think that is "weak" that is probably because you were dumb enough to fall into one of those two groups.
 
2013-09-17 08:32:25 PM  
liam76:
Nowhere did I say I have never cracked a beer on the summit of a mountain. Most of my park visits since I turned 17 have involved alcohol.

Nowhere did I begrudge people whop want smoke up on a mountain.

Nowhere did I say I am for the current policies towards either in national parks.

What I was saying is if you are dumb enough not to know the laws are different on federal land, or dumb enough to think you can get away with breaking them by crying ignorance, you do deserve scorn. Now if you think that is "weak" that is probably because you were dumb enough to fall into one of those two groups.


So it doesn't matter to you that there is no REASON to do this? That it harms people who are innocent of wrongdoing? Laws are not handed down from the gods. I realize that it's just the ravings of a crazy idiot but why the hell would something harmless suddenly become worth thousands of $ in fines and potential death just because a tiny group of oligarchs said so? (if you put your hand on your gun, you're making a deadly threat, period)

The fact that I find this activity and the culture that gives rise to it disgusting doesn't sound the least bit insane to me. Nor does defending yourself when someone wants to do you harm.
 
2013-09-17 08:41:58 PM  

Bandito King: liam76:
Nowhere did I say I have never cracked a beer on the summit of a mountain. Most of my park visits since I turned 17 have involved alcohol.

Nowhere did I begrudge people whop want smoke up on a mountain.

Nowhere did I say I am for the current policies towards either in national parks.


What I was saying is if you are dumb enough not to know the laws are different on federal land, or dumb enough to think you can get away with breaking them by crying ignorance, you do deserve scorn. Now if you think that is "weak" that is probably because you were dumb enough to fall into one of those two groups.

So it doesn't matter to you that there is no REASON to do this?


Yes it does matter.

I think the war on drugs, wrt weed, is stupid at best. It has been very harmful to society on a myriad of levels and I see absolutely no benefits to it.

I thought the bolded made it pretty clear, in case there was any doubt.

My original statement in this thread made it clear I wasn't for it.

However I was talking to someone who got butthurt over the term "pothead" applied to people who were too dumb to know the laws or though playing dumb would get them out of it. Just because I disliek the law doesn't mean you aren't an idiot for not knowing it.
 
2013-09-17 08:49:59 PM  

mediablitz: Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No?


I'm not an alcoholic, I'm a drunk. Alcoholics go to meetings.


Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?

i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-09-17 09:05:39 PM  

Precision Boobery: StreetlightInTheGhetto: your INCREDIBLY LENIENT environment/state/city.

It is remarkable how some areas will now only make you pay a fine for the unbelievable privilege of personal choice.  It does, indeed, defy credulity.  Would you contend that kissing rings expresses adequate gratitude, or would you throw decorum to the wind and just lick their boots?


Compared to the surrounding areas, yes, INCREDIBLY LENIENT.  And if you smoke in your home, you're not even going to get a ticket.  Jesus f--king Christ.
 
2013-09-17 09:14:18 PM  

SquiggsIN: TheDirtyNacho: as harmless as other heavy metals like lead

Wait, what?



From a toxicity standpoint, natural uranium isn't much worse than the other heavy metals around it on the periodic table.  You wouldn't want to breathe the dust, but it isn't terribly dangerous by itself.

And I said before, you have to separate out the very small amount of U-235 in a sample to create a weapon.  Sometimes you hear about that on the news, like Iran's mountain bunker with thousands of centrifuges that were sabotaged by a computer virus.  Those are for separating that particular isotope.

/sorry about the threadjack
 
2013-09-17 09:36:27 PM  
Rangers or not, federal land or not... if you're out in the friggin' wilderness and can't figure out how to discretely get stoned, you fail at life.
 
2013-09-17 09:42:13 PM  
If they give you a ticket or arrest you... demand a jury trial... Try to go for a jury nullification.

Reminder: Never, ever submit or give permission to a search of your person, property or vehicle.
 
2013-09-17 10:04:10 PM  
If you are a LEO and you feel you have to arrest someone because they have a little pot, you need to reevaluate your life because, man, you've made a wrong turn somewhere.
 
2013-09-17 10:06:06 PM  

profplump: I'm not sure you can get across the Cascades without crossing through federal land.


It is true...   I-90,  Hwy-2 & Hwy-12, SR-542,  SR-20  & SR-410 all cross the Cascades and cross federal territory.  All the east-west routes.
 
2013-09-17 11:31:20 PM  
I thought this was going to be about people illegally growing pot on federal land, which is a big problem, since that shiat's horrible for the land.
 
2013-09-18 01:09:15 AM  

mediablitz: ZAZ: Karen Strand didn't think she'd get in trouble for having a small container of medical marijuana when she went hiking in Olympic National Park this summer. But a ranger pulled her over on a remote gravel road, and Strand wound up as one of at least 27,700 people cited for having pot on federal land since 2009, according to an Associated Press analysis of federal court data.

Is this a common pothead misconception? A friend of mine acted like Colorado legal = OK to smoke openly on federal land. Luckily no rangers were around.

Wonder how long that stupid word is going to stick around. I guess it makes it easier for you to overlook the fact that the federal government is wasting its time and money busting someone for having a joint?

Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?


When pot becomes legal in more places then it is not.  Right now, if you commit a felony to smoke, then yea, you're a pot head.
 
2013-09-18 01:46:03 AM  
I don't understand why Park Rangers have this sort of power - are they not in charge of looking after National Parks, you know fixing signs and fences, cleaning up parking/camping areas, making sure people are safe? They are not exactly the DEA. It seems like a huge overstretch.
 
2013-09-18 02:10:11 AM  

Langdon_777: I don't understand why Park Rangers have this sort of power - are they not in charge of looking after National Parks, you know fixing signs and fences, cleaning up parking/camping areas, making sure people are safe, and enforcing laws? They are not exactly the DEA. It seems like a huge overstretch.


FTFY. That you don't - or won't - understand this is both hilarious and sad at the same time.
 
2013-09-18 02:12:20 AM  

Langdon_777: I don't understand why Park Rangers have this sort of power - are they not in charge of looking after National Parks, you know fixing signs and fences, cleaning up parking/camping areas, making sure people are safe? They are not exactly the DEA. It seems like a huge overstretch.


Part of looking after the National Parks is to enforce laws and regulations within the parks. Maintenance is not likely to be performed by Rangers, there will be dedicated maintenance groups. Law enforcement is central to their role. In fact, the original purpose of the Park Rangers was to protect wildlife by catching poachers.
 
2013-09-18 02:47:54 AM  

dywed88: Langdon_777: I don't understand why Park Rangers have this sort of power - are they not in charge of looking after National Parks, you know fixing signs and fences, cleaning up parking/camping areas, making sure people are safe? They are not exactly the DEA. It seems like a huge overstretch.

Part of looking after the National Parks is to enforce laws and regulations within the parks. Maintenance is not likely to be performed by Rangers, there will be dedicated maintenance groups. Law enforcement is central to their role. In fact, the original purpose of the Park Rangers was to protect wildlife by catching poachers.


Oh how the mighty have fallen - now they bust pot smokers out for walks in the forests.  Great use of their skills and time *spit*
 
2013-09-18 02:59:00 AM  
Let me add something more - just because something is illegal doesn't mean sane, rational people should enforce it (take for instance the Unnatural Sex Acts laws that have never been recinded on many States books.)  Just following orders is never good enough, a much better approach is 'Do No Harm'.  Now it seems most law enforcement these days is populated by uneducated drones who cannot think for themselves but this isn't always and shouldn't be the case.  Take Amsterdam for instance, the pot mecha of the world - it is still illegal (else they would be in trouble with International Law) but the police departments took it on themselves to be rational, self-empowered beings and decided NOT to enforce that law.  The fines these Rangers (pittiful shadows of their founders) are giving are almost childish and are a reflection of the state of legal enforcement in so many juristiction and personally I find it a dangerous trend, taking away the requirement or responsibility of Peace Officers from thinking things through.
 
2013-09-18 05:38:34 AM  

Langdon_777: Let me add something more - just because something is illegal doesn't mean sane, rational people should enforce it (take for instance the Unnatural Sex Acts laws that have never been recinded on many States books.)  Just following orders is never good enough, a much better approach is 'Do No Harm'.  Now it seems most law enforcement these days is populated by uneducated drones who cannot think for themselves but this isn't always and shouldn't be the case.  Take Amsterdam for instance, the pot mecha of the world - it is still illegal (else they would be in trouble with International Law) but the police departments took it on themselves to be rational, self-empowered beings and decided NOT to enforce that law.  The fines these Rangers (pittiful shadows of their founders) are giving are almost childish and are a reflection of the state of legal enforcement in so many juristiction and personally I find it a dangerous trend, taking away the requirement or responsibility of Peace Officers from thinking things through.


Form feet and legs; form arms and body; and I'll form the head roll the blunt!
 
2013-09-18 07:52:59 AM  

Langdon_777: I don't understand why Park Rangers have this sort of power - are they not in charge of looking after National Parks, you know fixing signs and fences, cleaning up parking/camping areas, making sure people are safe? They are not exactly the DEA. It seems like a huge overstretch.


The Park Service also has law enforcement officers. They look like cops, not Yogi's buddy.
 
2013-09-18 01:39:15 PM  

Langdon_777: dywed88: Langdon_777: I don't understand why Park Rangers have this sort of power - are they not in charge of looking after National Parks, you know fixing signs and fences, cleaning up parking/camping areas, making sure people are safe? They are not exactly the DEA. It seems like a huge overstretch.

Part of looking after the National Parks is to enforce laws and regulations within the parks. Maintenance is not likely to be performed by Rangers, there will be dedicated maintenance groups. Law enforcement is central to their role. In fact, the original purpose of the Park Rangers was to protect wildlife by catching poachers.

Oh how the mighty have fallen - now they bust pot smokers out for walks in the forests.  Great use of their skills and time *spit*


Protecting and Serving, each other and selves.
 
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