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2013-09-17 10:59:58 AM  
Is it a federal crime when you are cited on U.S. parks for littering or other petty crimes? Do you have to appear in Federal court? Never thought about this before...
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-09-17 11:00:51 AM  
Karen Strand didn't think she'd get in trouble for having a small container of medical marijuana when she went hiking in Olympic National Park this summer. But a ranger pulled her over on a remote gravel road, and Strand wound up as one of at least 27,700 people cited for having pot on federal land since 2009, according to an Associated Press analysis of federal court data.

Is this a common pothead misconception? A friend of mine acted like Colorado legal = OK to smoke openly on federal land. Luckily no rangers were around.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-09-17 11:04:39 AM  
OtherBrotherDarryl

Yes, petty crimes go to federal court if a federal LEO cites you. In a few places you can get federal speeding ticket on what looks like an ordinary city street or state highway. The DC area parkways are federal land, for example.

If you get a marijuana citation on federal land some courts will treat it as a real crime. That may mean six months real probation, with regular reporting and testing, if you don't go to jail.
 
2013-09-17 11:07:01 AM  

ZAZ: Karen Strand didn't think she'd get in trouble for having a small container of medical marijuana when she went hiking in Olympic National Park this summer. But a ranger pulled her over on a remote gravel road, and Strand wound up as one of at least 27,700 people cited for having pot on federal land since 2009, according to an Associated Press analysis of federal court data.

Is this a common pothead misconception? A friend of mine acted like Colorado legal = OK to smoke openly on federal land. Luckily no rangers were around.


Wonder how long that stupid word is going to stick around. I guess it makes it easier for you to overlook the fact that the federal government is wasting its time and money busting someone for having a joint?

Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?
 
2013-09-17 11:13:09 AM  

mediablitz: ZAZ: Karen Strand didn't think she'd get in trouble for having a small container of medical marijuana when she went hiking in Olympic National Park this summer. But a ranger pulled her over on a remote gravel road, and Strand wound up as one of at least 27,700 people cited for having pot on federal land since 2009, according to an Associated Press analysis of federal court data.

Is this a common pothead misconception? A friend of mine acted like Colorado legal = OK to smoke openly on federal land. Luckily no rangers were around.

Wonder how long that stupid word is going to stick around. I guess it makes it easier for you to overlook the fact that the federal government is wasting its time and money busting someone for having a joint?

Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?


Ehhh, I've always interpreted it as: Drinker = Smoker. Alcoholic = Pothead. I've always thought potheads are the ones who are stoned all the time, can barely hold a conversation, etc.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-09-17 11:29:12 AM  
I'll call pothead when smoking is a major part of lifestyle rather than an occasional recreational activity.
 
2013-09-17 12:37:53 PM  

ZAZ: I'll call pothead when smoking is a major part of lifestyle rather than an occasional recreational activity.


I tend to draw that line at the point at which it's negatively impacting one's life.

Friday night and no responsibilities, toke up in your own private home?  No issue.
Driving around smoking a blunt because you just can't stand NOT being high, even if you have places to be?  Drug problem.
 
2013-09-17 12:39:07 PM  
Just like I don't want to be hiking in the woods and smell some jack ass smoking a cigarette, I don't want to smell a joint either.
 
2013-09-17 01:04:27 PM  
"It is exceptionally confusing," she said.

Not really.

OtherBrotherDarryl: Is it a federal crime when you are cited on U.S. parks for littering or other petty crimes? Do you have to appear in Federal court? Never thought about this before...


Yes, as a cop in the Army whenever I arrested a civilian it went before a federal judge. It was an interesting process to see first hand. Smaller crimes would first appear before a magistrate but the defendant would have the option of being bound over for trial which meant going to the nearest federal court. Felonies and the like would automatically be bound over to the court (although we typically had a hearing before the magistrate first to set that in motion). I actually did see a defendant (not my case) request a federal judge over a traffic ticket.

www.globalsecurity.org
 
2013-09-17 01:15:35 PM  
On an aside, I watched the movie, Thunderheart back in the day. It was mediocre, but I was impressed when the First Nation cop issued a ticket to the lead character on federal land and it was on an 1805. The property master for the production actually got that detail correct although I may be only one of ten people that noticed.
 
2013-09-17 01:20:52 PM  

mediablitz: Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?


Smoking pot doesn't make you a pothead.  Being a clueless moron about it makes you a pothead.  I don't smoke but man I would be 100% clear on the laws around it before I ever thought I was "in the clear" doing so.

I guess the paranoia comes naturally for me.
 
2013-09-17 01:25:47 PM  

factoryconnection: Smoking pot doesn't make you a pothead. Being a clueless moron about it makes you a pothead. I don't smoke but man I would be 100% clear on the laws around it before I ever thought I was "in the clear" doing so.


Agreed. I smoke a couple times each year. Usually at a poker night or on holiday with a few guys that do. I like it. Which reminds me- Ima 'bout due for a poker night.
/they're not potheads either
 
2013-09-17 01:25:53 PM  
Lot of no-go zones there.


www.worldofmaps.net
 
2013-09-17 02:05:57 PM  
FTFA:Other concerns on the DOJ's list include keeping marijuana away from kids and cartels, preventing drugged driving and pot-related gun violence, and keeping unregulated marijuana grows from spoiling federal land.

How about we just try to prevent pot-related violence in general and stop trying to inject gun-control verbiage everywhere we can?
 
2013-09-17 02:06:30 PM  
So wait.  If I commit a felony, I might be prosecuted?
 
2013-09-17 02:07:57 PM  
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2013-09-17 02:08:03 PM  
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2013-09-17 02:09:39 PM  
Own, pwn, whatever you want to call it, yes, yes you can.

www.fasthorseinc.com
 
2013-09-17 02:09:44 PM  
FTA...Strand, 36, was pulled over for having a broken taillight, and the ranger reported that he could smell fresh pot.

Dude, get yourself a decent container and hide that shiat better. The good stuff reeks like crazy.


OregonVet:
Agreed. I smoke a couple times each year. Usually at a poker night or on holiday with a few guys that do. I like it. Which reminds me- Ima 'bout due for a poker night.
/they're not potheads either


We have a guy at our poker game, he smells like a walking grow.
 
2013-09-17 02:09:47 PM  

factoryconnection: mediablitz: Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?

Smoking pot doesn't make you a pothead.  Being a clueless moron about it makes you a pothead.  I don't smoke but man I would be 100% clear on the laws around it before I ever thought I was "in the clear" doing so.

I guess the paranoia comes naturally for me.


In that sense, it's really no different than making sure that you know what the open-container laws are before you go walking down the street (or through a national park) with a beer in your hand. And alcohol is also pretty tightly controlled in national parks. Some parks prohibit it altogether.
 
2013-09-17 02:11:00 PM  

factoryconnection: mediablitz: Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?

Smoking pot doesn't make you a pothead.  Being a clueless moron about it makes you a pothead.  I don't smoke but man I would be 100% clear on the laws around it before I ever thought I was "in the clear" doing so.

I guess the paranoia comes naturally for me.


that makes sense, along the lines of casually referring to someone committing a dui as a "drunk"
 
2013-09-17 02:11:02 PM  
I have nothing against weed, but if you get pulled over and the po-po can smell fresh burned hooch in your car then it should be a violation.

If you have medical condition that requires you smoking out while driving, then you should not be driving.

"dude I gotta get my head straight to go to the store, lets burn one down on the way." is not exactly safe.
 
2013-09-17 02:11:02 PM  
No government agency is going to pass up the opportunity to take money from American citizens.
 
2013-09-17 02:11:26 PM  

mediablitz: ZAZ: Karen Strand didn't think she'd get in trouble for having a small container of medical marijuana when she went hiking in Olympic National Park this summer. But a ranger pulled her over on a remote gravel road, and Strand wound up as one of at least 27,700 people cited for having pot on federal land since 2009, according to an Associated Press analysis of federal court data.

Is this a common pothead misconception? A friend of mine acted like Colorado legal = OK to smoke openly on federal land. Luckily no rangers were around.

Wonder how long that stupid word is going to stick around. I guess it makes it easier for you to overlook the fact that the federal government is wasting its time and money busting someone for having a joint?

Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?


Because, man, they're like, the man.

/Man.
 
2013-09-17 02:11:42 PM  
Came for Futurama's vegetarian lion, leaving satisfied.
 
2013-09-17 02:11:55 PM  
I fail to see the news in this story.
 
2013-09-17 02:14:10 PM  
Ah the age old 'because it's legal somewhere I'm entitled to do it anywhere' idea.
 
2013-09-17 02:15:19 PM  

GanjSmokr: FTFA:Other concerns on the DOJ's list include keeping marijuana away from kids and cartels, preventing drugged driving and pot-related gun violence, and keeping unregulated marijuana grows from spoiling federal land.

How about we just try to prevent pot-related violence in general and stop trying to inject gun-control verbiage everywhere we can?



How about we just prevent violence?

Beer-related gun violence?
 
2013-09-17 02:15:29 PM  

randomjsa: Ah the age old 'because it's legal somewhere I'm entitled to do it anywhere' idea.


And by somewhere, you mean the state that they're in.
 
2013-09-17 02:17:01 PM  

mediablitz: I guess it makes it easier for you to overlook the fact that the federal government is wasting its time and money busting someone for having a joint?


These are just regular officers doing their daily job, not SWAT teams busting down doors or sweeping the forests. Kind of an important difference there - it's still illegal on the federal level, so of course you're going to get busted if you're caught.
=Smidge=
 
2013-09-17 02:17:46 PM  
FTA:  Defendants say being prosecuted for having tiny amounts of pot on U.S. land ... belies the administration's assertions that going after people who comply with state marijuana laws is not a priority. The DOJ first announced that position in a 2009 memo, though the fine print also made clear that pot isn't welcome on federal property.

I doubt the administration is micro-managing.
Obama administration:  "we're not all that concerned about you, we have other things to do".
Coast Guard:  "damn right we do".
DEA:  "same here for the most part.  Local agents may have more time to harass you."
Park Rangers:  "uh, we have some free time and you smell like a blunt"
 
2013-09-17 02:17:49 PM  

neversubmit: GanjSmokr: FTFA:Other concerns on the DOJ's list include keeping marijuana away from kids and cartels, preventing drugged driving and pot-related gun violence, and keeping unregulated marijuana grows from spoiling federal land.

How about we just try to prevent pot-related violence in general and stop trying to inject gun-control verbiage everywhere we can?


How about we just prevent violence?

Beer-related gun violence?


I'm good with this. We should try to prevent all violence-related violence.
 
2013-09-17 02:19:50 PM  

GanjSmokr: neversubmit: GanjSmokr: FTFA:Other concerns on the DOJ's list include keeping marijuana away from kids and cartels, preventing drugged driving and pot-related gun violence, and keeping unregulated marijuana grows from spoiling federal land.

How about we just try to prevent pot-related violence in general and stop trying to inject gun-control verbiage everywhere we can?


How about we just prevent violence?

Beer-related gun violence?

I'm good with this. We should try to prevent all violence related-violence.


Fixed.
 
2013-09-17 02:24:27 PM  
These rangers must be jerks.  Before it was legal, I used to get caught by the cops on several occassions.  The worst thing that ever happened was they kept my stash.

Rangers are bottom feeders, just above mall cop status.
 
2013-09-17 02:25:03 PM  

ZAZ: I'll call pothead when smoking is a major part of lifestyle rather than an occasional recreational activity.


Like when it's used for medicinal purposes. Those potheads should just deal with their cancer. Eat something already!
 
2013-09-17 02:25:22 PM  
0.1 grams?
Normal (and NORML) people call that being out of pot.
 
2013-09-17 02:27:49 PM  

stirfrybry: ZAZ: I'll call pothead when smoking is a major part of lifestyle rather than an occasional recreational activity.

Like when it's used for medicinal purposes. Those potheads should just deal with their cancer. Eat something already!


That's pretty stupid. Do you call patients needing pain medication "pill-poppers"? No. When it's required to live a somewhat normal life, then it's not a recreational activity.
 
2013-09-17 02:29:07 PM  

Cybernetic: factoryconnection: mediablitz: Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?

Smoking pot doesn't make you a pothead.  Being a clueless moron about it makes you a pothead.  I don't smoke but man I would be 100% clear on the laws around it before I ever thought I was "in the clear" doing so.

I guess the paranoia comes naturally for me.

In that sense, it's really no different than making sure that you know what the open-container laws are before you go walking down the street (or through a national park) with a beer in your hand. And alcohol is also pretty tightly controlled in national parks. Some parks prohibit it altogether.


I was just going to bring up alcohol. It is banned in most federal parks around here. I'm sure pot is too.
 
2013-09-17 02:29:41 PM  
Color me surprised that people that were breaking the law before mary jane was legalized will still not give two craps about the law after it is legalized.

Kind of makes you think about the type of character these people have?
 
2013-09-17 02:30:32 PM  
Perhaps this could be resolved by adapting the open-container rule already used with alcohol.  Pot growers/dispensers should vacuum seal their goods, and as long as everything is still sealed during a law enforcement encounter on federal land no violation will be issued (on the additional conditions, of course, that the person driving isn't impaired and there isn't intent to transport marijuana out-of-state).
 
2013-09-17 02:30:46 PM  

scottydoesntknow: stirfrybry: ZAZ: I'll call pothead when smoking is a major part of lifestyle rather than an occasional recreational activity.

Like when it's used for medicinal purposes. Those potheads should just deal with their cancer. Eat something already!

That's pretty stupid. Do you call patients needing pain medication "pill-poppers"? No. When it's required to live a somewhat normal life, then it's not a recreational activity.


Sorry, should've used a sarcasm font
 
2013-09-17 02:33:00 PM  
Nobody owns the water, it's God's water.
 
2013-09-17 02:33:25 PM  
1.  Don't have an out tail light
2.  Don't smoke in your car.  Go behind a tree or something.  You can then dump your bowl and throw your piece if necessary.
3.  Deny everything

I'm never going to stop smoking in the mountains, so fark you rangers.
 
2013-09-17 02:33:36 PM  
Could be worse.  Here in TX there are border patrol checkpoints on all the highways leading away from the parks near the border.  Having pot on you when stopped at one of those puts you in jail for the rest of the day... or worse, depending on how much it is.
 
2013-09-17 02:33:50 PM  

Federal park rangers: "Yes, yes we can"


Something something penniless hippies.
 
2013-09-17 02:34:43 PM  

stirfrybry: scottydoesntknow: stirfrybry: ZAZ: I'll call pothead when smoking is a major part of lifestyle rather than an occasional recreational activity.

Like when it's used for medicinal purposes. Those potheads should just deal with their cancer. Eat something already!

That's pretty stupid. Do you call patients needing pain medication "pill-poppers"? No. When it's required to live a somewhat normal life, then it's not a recreational activity.

Sorry, should've used a sarcasm font


I know you were being sarcastic. I just like to have the line drawn between recreational and medicinal. It needs to be drawn so people who the plant would actually benefit and improve their way of life (beyond being high and happy) actually get access to it.

Full legalization will still be a slow process, so allowing those who are legitimately suffering to have access is very important. If it happens to show others how beneficial it can be, that's a great byproduct.

/Didn't mean to come off like a dick, I apologize for that
 
2013-09-17 02:35:01 PM  

bluefox3681: Color me surprised that people that were breaking the law before mary jane was legalized will still not give two craps about the law after it is legalized.

Kind of makes you think about the type of character these people have?


Breaking or obeying the law is no indication of character, particularly when the law in question is arbitrary.  It is legal for me to buy investment property and then evict an 80-year-old company after they refuse or cannot  pay my rent increase.    In comparison, selling drugs to other consenting adults is downright saintly, but will land me in jail.
 
2013-09-17 02:36:05 PM  

mediablitz: ZAZ: Karen Strand didn't think she'd get in trouble for having a small container of medical marijuana when she went hiking in Olympic National Park this summer. But a ranger pulled her over on a remote gravel road, and Strand wound up as one of at least 27,700 people cited for having pot on federal land since 2009, according to an Associated Press analysis of federal court data.

Is this a common pothead misconception? A friend of mine acted like Colorado legal = OK to smoke openly on federal land. Luckily no rangers were around.

Wonder how long that stupid word is going to stick around. I guess it makes it easier for you to overlook the fact that the federal government is wasting its time and money busting someone for having a joint?

Do you drink at all? Does that make you an alcoholic? No? Then why is ANYONE who smokes marijuana immediately a "pothead" in your book?


"Potheads" are marijuana users too dumb to pay attention to laws about using marijuana.

Just like drinkers who are too dumb to pay attention to laws about alcohol use are labelled "drunks," "sots," "rednecks," "lush," "farking kids," "useless goddamn bums," or "uncle ralph."
 
2013-09-17 02:38:20 PM  

scottydoesntknow: stirfrybry: ZAZ: I'll call pothead when smoking is a major part of lifestyle rather than an occasional recreational activity.

Like when it's used for medicinal purposes. Those potheads should just deal with their cancer. Eat something already!

That's pretty stupid. Do you call patients needing pain medication "pill-poppers"? No. When it's required to live a somewhat normal life, then it's not a recreational activity.


Unfortunately for you all the recreational smokers claim (gasp) medicinal requirement to the point where no one believes you anymore, the pot culture shot themselves in the foot on that one.
 
2013-09-17 02:38:24 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: Could be worse.  Here in TX there are border patrol checkpoints on all the highways leading away from the parks near the border.  Having pot on you when stopped at one of those puts you in jail for the rest of the day... or worse, depending on how much it is.


I remember my friends and I crossing the border one night to go party. Had a great time, got black-out drunk, and my buddy ended up buying some ditch brick from a guy on a bike (who I could swear he pulled out his ass, but I was black-out). Anyway, next morning we're crossing back over, and they flag down our truck for a random search. Everyone starts sweating their asses off because no one could remember what happened to the little baggie.

Dogs come, do a sweep, and then nothing.

As they start walking away, my other friend busts out laughing saying he flushed that shiat right before we left and just wanted to see us freak out.

/CSB
 
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