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(AP)   Navy Yard shooter suffered from mental health issues, heard voices. Gee, where have I heard that before?   ( divider line
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2013-09-17 01:56:13 PM  
3 votes:

Minister: He was a loner, and a quiet young man. He attended church, and Sunday School. I remember he was always very polite.

Ted Koppel: Do you believe he killed Buckwheat?

Minister: Oh, yes. Definitely. That's all he talked about.

Ted Koppel: John David Stutts graduated from Unionville High School.
Ted Koppel: His classmates called him "the loner."
Ted Koppel: Stutts was a member of the Key Club...
Ted Koppel: The Audio-Visual Squad...
Ted Koppel: And president of the Future Assassins of America.

Ted Koppel: It's no wonder that his classmates chose him, "Most Likely to Kill Buckwheat."

Gas Station Attendant: [in New England accent] Sure, I remember Stutts. He was a loner, but a real hard worker. I mean, he pumped the gas, he checked the oil, he washed the windows. Nice kid.

Ted Koppel: Do you believe he killed Buckwheat?

Man: Oh, yes, definitely. That's all he talked about. I remember one day I says, uh, "Stutts, why are you working so hard?" He says, "'Cause I'm saving up to buy a gun, so I can kill Buckwheat." [shrugs]
2013-09-17 10:21:59 AM  
3 votes:
If that guy didn't have a gun, he'd have killed those people with something else.

/lawn furniture, maybe
2013-09-17 03:46:02 PM  
2 votes:
I'm offended that the Associated Press doesn't think I'm young.

/What were we talking about again?
2013-09-17 05:50:10 PM  
1 vote:

MJMaloney187: We should make it a law that every toilet bowl should have a google camera installed in it.

Fark is not your personal porn site.
2013-09-17 05:41:37 PM  
1 vote:
2013-09-17 03:58:31 PM  
1 vote:
I think we're all avoiding the white elephant in the room.  Did he hold the guns sideways?
2013-09-17 03:40:10 PM  
1 vote:

HST's Dead Carcass: birdmanesq:

How about state's requiring militia membership as a co-requisite for gun ownership? Fine, you can own whatever guns you want (provided that they are registered--we need to know what's available when we're mustering the militia) provided you participate in once-annual militia drilling. Which, you know, can focus on gun safety and all that jazz.

Like, the original intent of the 2nd amendment?

I love the wording of the 2nd amendment. James Madison, in addition to being a damn clever lawyer, was a master of ambiguity and double meaning. "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." You could read that in at least a couple of different ways:

1. People must always have their guns handy in case they get called up to serve in a Militia.

2. Militias are an odious, fearsome but inescapable inevitability. So people must always have their guns handy to protect themselves from said militias.

I'd like to think Madison secretly leaned toward the second meaning, but that's just me.
2013-09-17 03:34:25 PM  
1 vote:
In a perfect world, we'd have unlimited funding and our mental health services would be top notch.  Everyone would get the absolute best medical treatment and we'd provide a warm, welcoming environment for everyone, for as long as they need treatment, even if it is their entire life.

But until we get there - I think we should give serious consideration to putting down mental unstable people.  Even if it isn't their fault.  It seems the most humane thing to do.
2013-09-17 03:29:26 PM  
1 vote:

Oh_Enough_Already: This event has all but paralyzed the "ZOMG! GUNS BAD!!!" crowd across all social media, including FARK, since they're also largely the "You can't say anything bad about a black guy, that would be 'racist'" crowd, so the amount of public hand wringing and bloviating over this compared to any other similar incident is hovering just above zero.*

*Except for Slate, who've weighed in to say that  "Yeah, 12 people are dead, but the real problem is racists on Twitter."

Needless to say, Fark didn't dare greenlight that story.

Gotta' stick with the narrative!!!!

Trayvon! Red Lobster! Ms. America!!!!

2013-09-17 02:56:06 PM  
1 vote:

2013-09-17 02:46:01 PM  
1 vote:
Also FTA:

The Experts Inc, which was helping service the Navy Marine Corps Intranet

My God. He was trying to fix NMCI.

Folks, this explains it all.
2013-09-17 02:42:24 PM  
1 vote:

ahab: As for the clearance/CAC issue, here's a link for you.

FTA: And he did have a CAC (common access card)

God, no wonder the guy went crazy.

/"?$%#*!! Whaddya mean I provided the wrong certificate?!?"
2013-09-17 02:37:41 PM  
1 vote:

The Navy Yard shooting didn't actually happen. Those are trained actors and special effects crews on TV.  You're all being lied to by the establishment, manipulated so that Obama can pass tighter gun control regulations.
2013-09-17 02:23:33 PM  
1 vote:

stovepipe: LOL

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And yet he missed the debut of GTA V.
2013-09-17 02:22:36 PM  
1 vote:
2013-09-17 02:16:31 PM  
1 vote:

Kit Fister: See you all on TFD/another TF-only thread. The liters are here.
Honestly, can you be more smug?
2013-09-17 02:12:47 PM  
1 vote:

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Any ospitalization?

Fortunately, for the most part the Cockneys don't have to worry about this kind of thing.
2013-09-17 02:11:58 PM  
1 vote:

Kit Fister: See you all on TFD/another TF-only thread. The liters are here.

I'm sorry, did someone interrupt your circle jerk?
2013-09-17 02:06:05 PM  
1 vote:

Neighborhood Watch: It's already virtually illegal to own or sell a firearm in DC.  Think of that - the place where the 2nd Amendment is actually enshrined.  And he went in with a shotgun, not an 'assault weapon'.  Nonetheless, Obama is pushing ahead with new "executive actions" today and the usual liberal loudmouths are back on the bandwagon with the bullhorns.

Why is it that when someone does a mass shooting like this, liberals demand that those who didn't do it be disarmed?

Someone shot up a place in a gun free zone using a shotgun, and two handguns he picked up from his victims.  Time to ban the AR-15.
2013-09-17 02:00:01 PM  
1 vote:

HST's Dead Carcass: Kit Fister: See you all on TFD/another TF-only thread. The liters are here.

Dude, I value your opinion in these matters. Without your level headed approach, it's gonna be a madhouse around these parts.

/but I do understand why you want to jettison into the ricepaddies.

The best thing about these posts is that some TFers think that their bullshiat forum talk means something.
2013-09-17 01:51:53 PM  
1 vote:
So, he was being treated for a "host of mental issues", yet retained his security clearance...and then killed a bunch of innocent people.

I TOLD you guys there were worse people in the security industry than Bradley Manning.

Scary thing is, statistically, there are worse people than this guy with top secret clearance.

Time to burn the system down and start over.
2013-09-17 01:50:59 PM  
1 vote:
I think the problem is that this guy used the Biden Self-Defense Plan, and used a shotgun.  I wish Joe were more careful with his gun safety tips.  He's going to get more people killed.
2013-09-17 01:06:30 PM  
1 vote:
I say everybody should be required to carry a gun on them at all times.
2013-09-17 01:06:22 PM  
1 vote:

xanadian: That may be an argument against "add crazy people to the no-you-can't-have-a-gun-not-yours list." Criminals will always find a way to get a gun. Add someone with a documented mental health issue to that list, and now you have "criminals AND crazy people will always find a way to get a gun." Didn't help much. Made it harder, but is it enough?

It's probably why I've focused more on the US fixing the mental health care system over pre-screening for gun ownership (as nice as it would be). *I* feel it would have more impact.

Of course, even MORE impact would be felt over banning guns entirely, but you'll still have crazy people out there that desperately need help who will still find SOME way of inflicting their insanity on individuals.

What about those that will not seek help simple because they want to keep their guns? And who will be the ones that will say when or if someone can get their rights restored once they get diagnosed?

Tin Foil Hat time: wouldn't be simple to use that as a gun grab? 1 in 10 people are are on antidepressants right now and climbing. That's one tenth of the population that would have to turn over their guns right now. And that's just for antidepressants. Fun times will happen when we add paranoia to the list of reasons to remove the guns! All those preppers would really go off.
2013-09-17 12:27:39 PM  
1 vote:

nekom: Peter von Nostrand: Meanwhile the Republicans who refuse to pass even universal background checks are on their 40th+ attempt to repeal ACA and set health care back

Of course this won't stop them from claiming we need to improve mental health care

And they'd be right.  Not that they sincerely want to do anything about it, but it really is a pretty obvious problem here.  I realize hindsight is 20/20, but this guy was a giant walking red flag.  How do we keep guns out of the hands of such people?  Hell if I know, but it should definitely be a major goal of any gun reform.

Above all, we must lower taxes, obviously.
2013-09-17 11:32:04 AM  
1 vote:
I have an imperfect scheme that might just work: gladiatorial combat.

We just make it so totally insane people can quit normal society, join a gladiatorial school, and fight to the death. It would allow us to maintain the status quo while just acting like a vacuum to suck up all the crazy, violent people in our country and reduce their numbers drastically. It would also pay for itself 1000 times over because bloodsports are always popular. In the end, instead of crazy people everywhere ticking like time bombs, we'd see only a few crazy people who were well supervised and with blood lust sated and tempered with hard sports training.
2013-09-17 10:53:56 AM  
1 vote:

birdmanesq: This incident is a much more compelling example of how stricter regulations could have reduced the possibility of a mass shooting than was Sandy Hook. Here you have a guy with a pretty clear record of gun incidents coupled with mental health problems who purchased one of the guns that he used in the incident legally. Honestly, the fact that he wasn't charged or convicted of the two gun things doesn't bother me, especially when suspicion is raised by the pattern of incidents and the mental health issues.

So now the question is whether you think someone who has a clear record of alleged gun incidents and a history of severe mental health problems should be allowed to own a firearm. If the answer to that question is no, well, then it's fairly straightforward to reverse-engineer a regulatory scheme that might prevent that from happening.

Who needed to know what at the point of sale of that shotgun for folks to hit pause on this for a while? Well, clearly a background check needed to show the mental health problems and the alleged gun incidents. Now those things took place across several states, so this needs to be a Federal solution, not a state solution. And the local jurisdictions need to be compelled to report gun-related incidents or other violent crime to the Federal database. The mental health is a little trickier because there needs to be some sort of flag that triggers reporting--but I'm sure that we can work out the details there without too much trouble.

So the first step looks like a more comprehensive and mandatory system of background checks, which compels participation from local authorities and health care providers (easily coerced through public-safety and Medicare dollars).

I agree. As much as I'm a gun guy, I'd like to see more comprehensive reporting of people with dangerous mental illnesses and a higher bar for mental health in general, with the recurrence of compulsory institutionalization if you're really bad.
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