ahab: Some of you probably think George Zimmerman shouldn't be allowed to have a gun either.
DGS: To be fair, a pack of smokes would last me significantly longer than a 6-pack of beer.
CleanAndPure: As long as gun owners only shoot other gun owners I don't mind them shooting people quite as much.Its when they shoot regular good people it becomes a problem
Launch Code: Is the Navy providing grief counseling for all the looney left liberal anti gun nuts? They were probably creaming their jeans until they found out this guy was black and used a shotgun with stolen pistols instead of the evil semi automatic rifle.
Evil Mackerel: AGremlin: Obligatory:[thumbnails.hulu.com image 512x288]Man: Oh, yes, definitely. That's all he talked about. I remember one day I says, uh, "Stutts, why are you working so hard?" He says, "'Cause I'm saving up to buy a gun, so I can kill Buckwheat." [shrugs]Thank you , I had that stuck in my head all day./=)
shower_in_my_socks: And yet it was still legal for him to purchase firearms. He was not a "responsible" gun owner, and we need to stop pretending that keeping people like him from possessing firearms infringes on anyone else's rights.
HST's Dead Carcass: PsiChick: HST's Dead Carcass: PsiChick: Maybe we could try educating the public on schizophrenia symptoms and advising them to see mental health professionals\doctors.Nothing like telling the uneducated masses about symptoms to watch for to explain someone's behavior. I mean, it worked so well for Salem, what could go wrong?Yes, education on the symptoms of depression has led to nothing but witchhunts./Seriously. No, that does not always happen.No, not in recent history at all.All I'm saying is we apply the term 'Professional' to individuals for a reason. Hell, how many people still think Obama is a Muslim? After all the evidence to the contrary they still insist upon this. And you want to empower people to make clinical diagnoses of other people that they may or may not have agendas against?
HST's Dead Carcass: AngryJailhouseFistfark: You've mis-labeled your fallatial straw-boater hat: He's not bringing a knife to a gun-fight. He goes stabby before the fight starts. Hell, he might even go stabby before the cop even realizes the guy's there. Altogether different.The straw man argument is: He'd go on a mass homicidal rage with a knife, in order to gain access to a gun. That's absurdity and obfuscation at it's finest.He brought a gun because of it's ease of use. The point and click interface is so easy, even a cavemen can do it.
Bacontastesgood: umad: just take a look at cigarette taxes. The government couldn't ban them either, so they did the next best thing.And now nobody smokes because they're too expensive! I mean, a pack of cigs is more than a six pack of beer!
birdmanesqHonestly, the fact that he wasn't charged or convicted of the two gun things doesn't bother me,
Carousel Beast: DjangoStonereaver: The Alexis case proves the screaming need for a central, federal registry of people who should never beallowed to own firearms, but there is no way in hell the 'Second Amendment as a check against tyrrany"LARP brigade and their political lapdogs will ever let that happen because, you know, state's rights.But of course we have no need to worry that people with your sense of tact and elucidation would, in fact, try a backdoor gun ban due to your bigotry.
ahab: Maud Dib: mediablitz: ahab: I haven't seen any reports that he had a criminal record.Yeah. He had a noise dispute with his downstairs neighbor in Texas and shot through his floor (her roof) while she was home. They could only charge him with unlawful discharge of a firearm.He also shot the tires out of some guy's car in Seattle, but the cops "lost" the paperwork and didn't file charges.How convenient.Farker should have lost his license AND guns after the second incident.So what you're saying is, he had no criminal record. There were two arrests, 6 years apart, and neither one led to charges being filed, let alone a conviction.
Kit Fister: It would be interesting to see if there were some pharmacological correlations between the various mass shooters.
OnlyM3: A guy pops of 'x' number of rounds into the tires of a person that "dissed" him and it doesn't bother you that he wasn't charged?
Neighborhood Watch: What does that tell you?
J. Frank Parnell: Kit Fister: It would be interesting to see if there were some pharmacological correlations between the various mass shooters.All except maybe one have been on SSRIs. When your 'anti-depressant' has warnings it might cause you to commit suicide, something isn't right.
umad: Exactly. Fark the poor! I can still afford them, so what is the problem?
birdmanesqIsn't there some useful old saying about bringing a knife to a gun fight that might be applicable here?
umad: birdmanesq: Kellermannlol
HST's Dead CarcassDamn straight! Why do I have to register my car every year? And my boat? And my Hog? And my camper? F those Government assholes prying into my personal life! They're probably taxing me on all those things, too! They have no right to impede my success and collection of personal luxuries!!
lilbjorn: Navy Yard shooter suffered from mental health issues, heard voices.And had two prior arrests on gun-related charges. But he had no problem at all getting more guns.
HST's Dead CarcassI walk in the realm of hyperbole and circumstance. I try to post on both sides of the issues, commenting on pros and cons. Plus, I'm just getting y'all ready for the herp and derp of Liters.
Neighborhood Watch: Hey, I just found this hand map which illustrates that most mass shootings happen on the east or west coast and in the Rust Belt - i.e. democrat/liberal controlled regions of the country.What does that tell you?/I know what it tells ME
Kit Fister: Likewise, rather than replacing termite-ridden floorboards, let's just put a new coat of varnish and a veneer on it and hope the underlying problems don't cause any more catastrophic issues.
birdmanesq: But how about a graduated fee structure? You know, your over-under shotgun is free (or a small fee), but your fully-automatic gatling gun costs, oh, dunno, $10,000 a year to register.
ahab: lilbjorn: Navy Yard shooter suffered from mental health issues, heard voices.And had two prior arrests on gun-related charges. But he had no problem at all getting more guns.And zero criminal convictions! Also, the two incidents were 6 years apart. Clear pattern of behavior there, right?
mediablitz: MrBallou: As usual, the only two choices being offered are to restrict guns or to lock away anyone deemed to be unstableYou are the only one seeing that as the "only two choices". Others are having an actual discussion about what could be done. Open your mind just a crack. Just the tiniest bit, and try to see that there are other options, and they are being discussed.Go ahead. It won't hurt at all.
doyner: ahab: lilbjorn: Navy Yard shooter suffered from mental health issues, heard voices.And had two prior arrests on gun-related charges. But he had no problem at all getting more guns.And zero criminal convictions! Also, the two incidents were 6 years apart. Clear pattern of behavior there, right?To most sane people, yes.
Oh_Enough_Already: This event has all but paralyzed the "ZOMG! GUNS BAD!!!" crowd across all social media, including FARK, since they're also largely the "You can't say anything bad about a black guy, that would be 'racist'" crowd, so the amount of public hand wringing and bloviating over this compared to any other similar incident is hovering just above zero.**Except for Slate, who've weighed in to say that "Yeah, 12 people are dead, but the real problem is racists on Twitter."Needless to say, Fark didn't dare greenlight that story.Gotta' stick with the narrative!!!!Trayvon! Red Lobster! Ms. America!!!!
OnlyM3: When you've had an adult explain to you the difference between rights vs "personal luxuries" get back to us.
OnlyM3: Good plan. Lets apply that to all rights.
birdmanesq: This incident is a much more compelling example of how stricter regulations could have reduced the possibility of a mass shooting than was Sandy Hook. Here you have a guy with a pretty clear record of gun incidents coupled with mental health problems who purchased one of the guns that he used in the incident legally. Honestly, the fact that he wasn't charged or convicted of the two gun things doesn't bother me, especially when suspicion is raised by the pattern of incidents and the mental health issues.So now the question is whether you think someone who has a clear record of alleged gun incidents and a history of severe mental health problems should be allowed to own a firearm. If the answer to that question is no, well, then it's fairly straightforward to reverse-engineer a regulatory scheme that might prevent that from happening.Who needed to know what at the point of sale of that shotgun for folks to hit pause on this for a while? Well, clearly a background check needed to show the mental health problems and the alleged gun incidents. Now those things took place across several states, so this needs to be a Federal solution, not a state solution. And the local jurisdictions need to be compelled to report gun-related incidents or other violent crime to the Federal database. The mental health is a little trickier because there needs to be some sort of flag that triggers reporting--but I'm sure that we can work out the details there without too much trouble.So the first step looks like a more comprehensive and mandatory system of background checks, which compels participation from local authorities and health care providers (easily coerced through public-safety and Medicare dollars).
cameroncrazy1984: Obviously his legal access to guns isn't the problem. Right?
birdmanesq [TotalFark]2013-09-17 03:29:44 PMOnlyM3: When you've had an adult explain to you the difference between rights vs "personal luxuries" get back to us.OnlyM3: Good plan. Lets apply that to all rights.I'm pretty sure that you don't understand Second Amendment law as it relates to taxes and fees
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